Re: IBM Journals availability
On Thu, 7 May 2009 09:47:10 -0500, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com wrote: 4) Using the User Agent switcher, pick the Googlebot user agent string. 5) Now open the pdf link above. enjoy. But... isn't that stealing? Jantje. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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But... isn't that stealing? I would argue that all of the issues previously available for free should have remained free, and that the subscription should only apply to future issues. Of course hiding this information from customers, and from potential customers, is incredibly stupid and short sighted. Bob Shannon -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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A good question. The answer probably lies in the legal interpretation of the site terms of use. You could probably be sued under the DMCA. A more interesting question to me is whether Google is violating IBM's terms of use by re-publishing the documents in HTML: This site and all content in this site may not be copied, reproduced, republished, uploaded, posted, transmitted, distributed, or used for the creation of derivative works without IBM's prior written consent, except that IBM grants you non-exclusive, non-transferable, limited permission to access and display the Web pages within this site, solely on your computer and for your personal, non-commercial use of this Web site. ... You may not mirror any of the content from this site on another Web site or in any other media. --- Apparently IBM wants Google to be able to read and index these PDFs and draw users of its search engine to its site (without paying Google), so that it can try to collect $995 / year for a subscription to the content. Quiz: what industry on the web charges users for access to its content but also allows GoogleBot to index the content? On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 5:19 AM, Jan MOEYERSONS jan.moeyers...@adelior.be wrote: On Thu, 7 May 2009 09:47:10 -0500, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com wrote: 4) Using the User Agent switcher, pick the Googlebot user agent string. 5) Now open the pdf link above. enjoy. But... isn't that stealing? Jantje. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In a message dated 5/8/2009 6:27:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, bshan...@rocketsoftware.com writes: Of course hiding this information from customers, and from potential customers, is incredibly stupid and short sighted. I was trying to come up with a virtual agreement that would include Journal access with an IBM account or arrangement to hook a library server to Almaden with your service agreement. IBM has some really smart people doing fundamental research in various fields and has been for decades. Seems like it could have been more intelligently thought out. Guess it really begs the question 'who are our next customers/employees'? Forget who said it, 'Knowledge is a flame waiting to be lit'. Moral of the story if you put out the candles, the nexgen managers will be going Um, yes that's nice-what's an IBM? **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322931x1201367171/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072hmpgID=115bcd =May5509AvgfooterNO115) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I was going to comment that I just got a free issue of IBM Systems Journal in the mail a few days ago, but then I thought I better go get the magazine and look at it. I got IBM Systems Magazine, the Mainframe Edition. I assume that this is a different magazine than the one you've been talking about. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Bob Shannon bshan...@rocketsoftware.com Subject: Re: IBM Journals availability I would argue that all of the issues previously available for free should have remained free, and that the subscription should only apply to future issues. Of course hiding this information from customers, and from potential customers, is incredibly stupid and short sighted. Bob Shannon -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Fri, 8 May 2009 05:19:27 -0500, Jan MOEYERSONS jan.moeyers...@adelior.be wrote: On Thu, 7 May 2009 09:47:10 -0500, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com wrote: 4) Using the User Agent switcher, pick the Googlebot user agent string. 5) Now open the pdf link above. enjoy. But... isn't that stealing? Jantje. Hacking, not stealing. :-) Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:mark.zel...@zurichna.com z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Apparently IBM wants Google to be able to read and index these PDFs and draw users of its search engine to its site (without paying Google), so that it can try to collect $995 / year for a subscription to the content. That would imply that those braindead bean counters know about that path into their system. I'd rather tend to believe they do not and haven't recognized yet that there is a hole in the system. -- Peter Hunkeler Credit Suisse -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Hey - I used to like Popular Science when I was a kid! Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: Chase, John jch...@ussco.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:39 AM Subject: Re: IBM Journals availability -Original Message- I assume that this is a different magazine than the one you've been talking about. Indeed. You got Popular Science instead of Scientific American. :-) -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Kirk Wolf wrote: Pretty funny - if you find an IBM research journal article in Google and try to click on the pdf, then you get the please send your $$$ page. BUT - if you click in Google's View as HTML link, then you can see the HTML version of the article. Google builds an HTML version as it crawls and indexes the site, so apparently IBM's security/redirect for these pages is disabled if you are a robot. So if you use a Firefox plugin to set a robot HTTP header, you will be able to download the PDFs just fine. One of the few cases where two blunders cancel each other out :-) Ok, I've googled - what plugin, there's loads? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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David, Here's a step-by-step: 1) Google z10 prefetch and you will find (today) the first hit to be a link to an IBM Journal article: http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/rd/531/jackson.pdf If you click on it, you get the Attention please send money page :-( But if you click in Google's View Html, you can see the HTML version. 2) Install the User Agent Switcher Addon for Firefox (requires a restart) 3) Using the User Agent Switcher option menu, add a new user agent string: Description: Googlebot User Agent: Googlebot/2.1 (+http://www.google.com/bot.html) App Name: Googlebot Version: 2.1 (I don't think that anything except the User Agent string matters. Most sites that filter on Googlebot just look for Google in the agent string.) 4) Using the User Agent switcher, pick the Googlebot user agent string. 5) Now open the pdf link above. enjoy. Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 7:45 AM, David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, I've googled - what plugin, there's loads? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Journals availability
Pretty funny - if you find an IBM research journal article in Google and try to click on the pdf, then you get the please send your $$$ page. BUT - if you click in Google's View as HTML link, then you can see the HTML version of the article. Google builds an HTML version as it crawls and indexes the site, so apparently IBM's security/redirect for these pages is disabled if you are a robot. So if you use a Firefox plugin to set a robot HTTP header, you will be able to download the PDFs just fine. One of the few cases where two blunders cancel each other out :-) Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I can now get to the journals once again. It's not clear if this was a mistake, or whether they reversed course. Tom Harper IMS Utilities Development Team Neon Enterprise Software Sugar Land, TX -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ed Finnell Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 9:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: IBM Journals availability In a message dated 4/16/2009 12:04:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, peter.hunke...@credit-suisse.com writes: to understand how important it is, especially for the z plattform, to get new interested people aboard. Freely available documentation is one pile of that. Too bad the bean counters are still so mighty. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In a message dated 4/21/2009 12:24:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tom.har...@neonesoft.com writes: I can now get to the journals once again. It's not clear if this was a mistake, or whether they reversed course. I guess we'll start seeing adds for Prep-h and lipitor shortly? Chuckle **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621490x1201450102/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter421NO62) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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?? I can't. Jan I can now get to the journals once again. It's not clear if this was a mistake, or whether they reversed course. Tom Harper IMS Utilities Development Team Neon Enterprise Software Sugar Land, TX -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In a message dated 4/21/2009 2:28:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jan.vanbrab...@telenet.be writes: I can't. Jan Yeah, my usual path is thru almaden.ibm.com and it still has the Available for a fee blather. Wonder what path Tom is using? **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621490x1201450102/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter421NO62) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Is this the site? http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/rdindex.html or maybe http://www.ibmsystemsmag.com/mainframe/ -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In a message dated 4/21/2009 2:56:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, joa...@swbell.net writes: http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/rdindex.html or maybe _http://www.ibmsystemsmag.com/mainframe/_ (http://www.ibmsystemsmag.com/mainframe/) 1st site gets me into Journal room but after clicking on Full Story get the $$$ for donuts blurb. 2nd site has right idea but doesn't get to Journals. Sigh. **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621490x1201450102/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter421NO62) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In a message dated 4/16/2009 12:04:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, peter.hunke...@credit-suisse.com writes: to understand how important it is, especially for the z plattform, to get new interested people aboard. Freely available documentation is one pile of that. Too bad the bean counters are still so mighty. Guess I'd file it the 'penny wise/pound foolish' bin. Seems counterproductive to the 'Smarter' anything concept. Cuts off exposure to researchers and students trying to decide where they'd like to work or what field to study. Also a missed marketing opportunity to provide links to other categories like Storage, CPUs, Integration services, and education from many aspects. **Join ChristianMingle.com® FREE! Meet Christian Singles in your area. Start now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221246370x1201421635/aol?redir=http://www.christianmingle.com/campaign.html?cat=adbuysrc=pl atformaadid=aolfooternewurl=reg_path.html) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Agreed this is not good.. There are still far too many ignorant managers out there who subbornly refuse to understand how important it is, especially for the z plattform, to get new interested people aboard. Freely available documentation is one pile of that. Too bad the bean counters are still so mighty. -- Peter Hunkeler CREDIT SUISSE -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Agreed this is not good. It speaks to pressure against all corners of the business to produce revenue without thought to benefits to IBM and it's customers that are harder to quantify. It is short sighted and I would wager that many inside IBM would not view it as the best way to leverage this crown jewel. A pittance in subscribed revenue is nothing compared to goodwill and a channel to communicate directly to those bright and interested who consume the Journal outside IBM. IT Architects, Industry Analysts, Government researchers, key customer personnel. What a great opportunity squandered for a little bit of money. Will Redbooks be next? IBM has provided a huge benefit to both customers and the community at large by providing open access. It is truly regrettable they chose not to continue this. I was so excited when they scanned and made back issues of the Journal available including my favorite issue ever Vol 1 No 1 1989 the MVS/ESA issue of IBM Systems Journal. The subscription requirement is a hurdle that many interested folks will not be able to get around including academic, commercial, and individual enthusiast audiences. The price is unrealistic especially so for an individual. Dr. Dobbs Journal offers the entire archive on DVD for $50! https://store.ddj.com/product/4/Dr.-Dobb%27s-Developer-Library-DVD-Release-5 I would be happy to pay IBM $50 for a DVD of the Journals and/or do a qualified subscription for free on-line access with permission to email me whatever they want from time to time and help them fund public access by advertising for internal IBM customers. Argh! -- http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/ Continue to get the inside track on emerging trends in science, technology, and business and how they are shaping our future-today. The IBM journals have changed and are currently only available online for a fee. Institutions can subscribe for just $995.00/yr. This represents a discount of 33% from the list price of $1,499/yr. ATTENTION The IBM Journals are now only available online for a fee. However, you can continue to read and download papers to get the inside track on emerging trends in science, technology, and business and how they are shaping our future-today. Instructions are available in PDF format here for how your library or other institution can obtain unlimited free access for all its members. You need not miss the latest paper or issue while maintaining access to over 50 years of influential papers. Use the left hand navigation column on this page to locate current and previously published issues and papers. The subscribe/order link can be used to order printed copies of back issues. Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO System z Performance and Availability Management mailto:sknut...@geico.com (office) 301.986.3574 * Every great mistake has a halfway moment, a split second when it can be recalled and perhaps remedied. So that was Mrs. Lundegaard on the floor in there. And I guess that was your accomplice in the wood chipper. And those three people in Brainerd. And for what? For a little bit of money. There's more to life than a little money, you know. Don't you know that? And here ya are, and it's a beautiful day. Well, I just don't understand it. Marge Gunderson - Movie Fargo -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant I agree. This is not a good sign. This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:19:31 -0500, John Ticic wrote: it looks like one of my favorite sources of information is no longer available for free. Access to the IBM Journal of Research and Development is now only available for a subscription fee (the Systems Journal has been integrated into the Research Journal). The IBM journals have changed and are currently only available online for a fee. Institutions can subscribe for just $995.00/yr. Not a good move :-( I agree. This is not a good sign. I have read most of the articles about mainframe technology in recent years with great interest. I see now that even older issues are not available any more. I checked the z9 issue (Volume 51, Number 1/2, 2007) and it is not available. And the web site says this: quote The IBM journals have changed and are currently only available online for a fee. Institutions can subscribe for just $995.00/yr. This represents a discount of 33% from the list price of $1,499/yr. /quote It seems that this is intended for libraries and similar institutions. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
