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In 4d359646.3000...@trainersfriend.com, on 01/18/2011 at 06:31 AM, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com said: On the other hand, some email providers are over-ambitious in their blocking. I wish I had one like that ;-) I'm leading a tour to Japan this fall and when I send emails to the group there is a high probability those with an email address of @comcast.net will reject the email. Verio has spam issues; I don't see blocking NTT as being overambitious. You should be able to send from a different network. I wonder how many valid emails are not getting through because of false-positive results in some spam sensing algorithm. Not as many as are lost because they're buried in spam. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In aanlktinpdwgfgumjbvlpseb5uovjghuv9irrx_suu...@mail.gmail.com, on 01/18/2011 at 10:48 AM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com said: Yep. I signed up for a topica.com email group. They have issues. I bet the people marking it as spame has signed up for the list then marked an email as spam. That certainly happens, but I wouldn't bet on it in this case. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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--- On Tue, 1/18/11, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote: ANIP--- Yep. I signed up for a topica.com email group. Suddenly I stopped getting their messages. I went to the web page and found message had been sent. I complained to my web provider that I was not getting email from their site. They said they were sending 92% spam messages and were blacklisted. I bet the people marking it as spame has signed up for the list then marked an email as spam. I know I see about 1% of non-spam messages in the spam folder, yet I have to keep telling people to not automatically delete spam messages. -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? Mike (and others) YAHOO has an ongoing issues with either blocking or bit bucketing them. It is also just not me. YAHOO absolutely will not address the issue. I essentially use it only for IBM-MAIN items. I have switched over to google and they to have issues even with IBM-MAIN. I have just about given up on all providers. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In 63f312e6f4b4674a8f5ac4512c47ec8003e0e23...@mx06a.corp.emc.com, on 01/14/2011 at 02:05 PM, Stan Weyman stan.wey...@emc.com said: I am also a realist and this appears to be somewhat accepted in the world of email. No. It's accepted in the sleazy advertising community, not in the e-mail community. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In b282be35b5a4494894d4ecfba2bf7847180c7f0...@xch-nw-17v.nw.nos.boeing.com, on 01/15/2011 at 05:45 PM, Schwarz, Barry A barry.a.schw...@boeing.com said: What happened to the common and effective advice - If you receive spam, hit delete and move on. To every complex question there is an answer that is simple, obvious and wrong. As Allan Sherman said, Good advice costs nothing and it's worth the price. That advice may be common, but it is not effective. It is only good advice for those that do not have the skills to determine the complaint addresses and whose providers do not have a mechanism for reporting spam for blocking purposes. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On 1/17/2011 8:49 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In b282be35b5a4494894d4ecfba2bf7847180c7f0...@xch-nw-17v.nw.nos.boeing.com, on 01/15/2011 at 05:45 PM, Schwarz, Barry Abarry.a.schw...@boeing.com said: What happened to the common and effective advice - If you receive spam, hit delete and move on. To every complex question there is an answer that is simple, obvious and wrong. As Allan Sherman said, Good advice costs nothing and it's worth the price. That advice may be common, but it is not effective. It is only good advice for those that do not have the skills to determine the complaint addresses and whose providers do not have a mechanism for reporting spam for blocking purposes. On the other hand, some email providers are over-ambitious in their blocking. I'm leading a tour to Japan this fall and when I send emails to the group there is a high probability those with an email address of @comcast.net will reject the email. Then I have to request the IP address used by my provider be unblocked, then I have to re-send. And of course my provider has a number of IP addresses it uses for sending email and a re-send might use a different IP address than the one that was just unblocked. So then the process repeats. I wonder how many valid emails are not getting through because of false-positive results in some spam sensing algorithm. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our new tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I wonder how many valid emails are not getting through because of false-positive results in some spam sensing algorithm. I have always wondered the same thing since a time when our service provider started using a metric of percentage of messages filtered by the spam filter(s) as an indication of success. When I pointed out the false negatives, and asked about any indication regarding false positives, I got very blank looks and dead air. Even my management didn't understand. This is just as silly as the 'tip' at the top of a lot of IBM e-mails. The one regarding: if you're not receiving this, inform your e-mail provider so they can unblock the sender. Riddle me this: If I am receiving the message, why would I have to talk to anybody? And, if I didn't receive it, what use would the instructions be? - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: I wonder how many valid emails are not getting through because of false-positive results in some spam sensing algorithm. I have always wondered the same thing since a time when our service provider started using a metric of percentage of messages filtered by the spam filter(s) as an indication of success. When I pointed out the false negatives, and asked about any indication regarding false positives, I got very blank looks and dead air. Even my management didn't understand. This is just as silly as the 'tip' at the top of a lot of IBM e-mails. The one regarding: if you're not receiving this, inform your e-mail provider so they can unblock the sender. Riddle me this: If I am receiving the message, why would I have to talk to anybody? And, if I didn't receive it, what use would the instructions be? - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Yep. I signed up for a topica.com email group. Suddenly I stopped getting their messages. I went to the web page and found message had been sent. I complained to my web provider that I was not getting email from their site. They said they were sending 92% spam messages and were blacklisted. I bet the people marking it as spame has signed up for the list then marked an email as spam. I know I see about 1% of non-spam messages in the spam folder, yet I have to keep telling people to not automatically delete spam messages. -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Vernooij, CP - SPLXM Shane Ginnane ibm-m...@tpg.com.au wrote in message news:1294994009.4d300a5943...@postoffice.tpg.com.au... Any/every-one else getting spammed by recoveryknowledge ?. Must have been done as a harvesting of the list as both addresses I use to post have been hit. No way I would have signed up (twice) for DB2 paraphernalia. Probably seen it before and just trashed it. Yes, as if I subscribed myself. You are subscribed to this mailing list as kees.verno...@klm.com. Please click here to modify your message preferences or to unsubscribe from any future mailings. We will respect all unsubscribe requests. I hope they respect my unsubscribe. The other side of that coin is that *any* reply to them verifies that your email address is real. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Linda Mooney wrote: but because they lied by claiming that I had subscribed. Yes, they also LIED to me saying I have subscribed and that my employer will pay discounted amounts too, just because I subscribed. That 'discount' thing made me to reach for the DELETE button and blacklist this spam-mail for good. Now just let things straight. I'm NOT into buying or hiring software and hardware. I'm just a lowly programmer. Nothing more. And hyper allergic to spammers too... ;-D But actually, because I'm the only one active on IBM-MAIN - I'm actually luring spammers away from my management and others very gullible to spam. They're aware that I'm active here and that they appreciate that I relay very good ideas found here. Persons here in IBM-MAIN post regurlarly about training, upcoming events and products. I tolerate them because they are honest and offering ideas and advices here. Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On 1/15/2011 1:28 PM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: Persons here in IBM-MAIN post regurlarly about training, upcoming events and products. I tolerate them because they are honest and offering ideas and advices here. Not to mention that they first ask permission to post blatant ads! Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Not to mention that they first ask permission to post blatant ads! Not all! - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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But there are a lot less ads than this apparently interminable discussion about an email that many of us never saw but get to relive vicariously through many people's need to vent on this list. What happened to the common and effective advice - If you receive spam, hit delete and move on. Does telling everyone you have been spammed assuage the anguish? Is it comforting to know others have also been spammed? This topic is worse than the obstreperous political diatribes that appear occasionally about IBM's hiring practices. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 2:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: List spam Not to mention that they first ask permission to post blatant ads! Not all! - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Shane Ginnane ibm-m...@tpg.com.au wrote in message news:1294994009.4d300a5943...@postoffice.tpg.com.au... Any/every-one else getting spammed by recoveryknowledge ?. Must have been done as a harvesting of the list as both addresses I use to post have been hit. No way I would have signed up (twice) for DB2 paraphernalia. Probably seen it before and just trashed it. Yes, as if I subscribed myself. You are subscribed to this mailing list as kees.verno...@klm.com. Please click here to modify your message preferences or to unsubscribe from any future mailings. We will respect all unsubscribe requests. I hope they respect my unsubscribe. Kees. For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Shane, Spammed me too using my unique IBM-MAIN subscription email address. Stephen Mednick Computer Supervisory Services Sydney, Australia Asia/Pacific representatives for Innovation Data Processing, Inc. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shane Ginnane Sent: Friday, 14 January 2011 7:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: List spam Any/every-one else getting spammed by recoveryknowledge ?. Must have been done as a harvesting of the list as both addresses I use to post have been hit. No way I would have signed up (twice) for DB2 paraphernalia. Probably seen it before and just trashed it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Shane Ginnane wrote: Any/every-one else getting spammed by recoveryknowledge ?. Yes. And I wasted precious seconds to review that thing in my Junk folder and delete it. Only 5 and half seconds of my life were wasted to get rid of this bored spammer! ;-D It took me a half minute to write this junk post too. ;-D Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Vernooij, CP wrote: I hope they respect my unsubscribe. Perhaps not. Your address are now probably marked as 'live' and you will be spammed properly... Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On 1/14/2011 1:33 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote: Any/every-one else getting spammed by recoveryknowledge ?. Must have been done as a harvesting of the list as both addresses I use to post have been hit. No way I would have signed up (twice) for DB2 paraphernalia. Probably seen it before and just trashed it. Yeah, not only did I get spammed, they spelled my company name wrong throughout the email: Transiners Friend very primitive. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our new tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I would not consider a rare work related email as a spam attack. Most firms that seek new clients engage in some form of targeted advertising. There are a few things that seperate the email from Recovery Knowelage from spam. 1. Appears to to a rare event. 2. It is targeted and directed ... i.e. is not an advert for tulip bulbs. 3. Presents a real product from a small company that has been around for many years. When one posts to a public forum like IBM-MAIN or even joins a public forum some privicy is sacrficed Best wishes Avram Friedman On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 05:57:02 -0700, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com wrote: On 1/14/2011 1:33 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote: Any/every-one else getting spammed by recoveryknowledge ?. Must have been done as a harvesting of the list as both addresses I use to post have been hit. No way I would have signed up (twice) for DB2 paraphernalia. Probably seen it before and just trashed it. Yeah, not only did I get spammed, they spelled my company name wrong throughout the email: Transiners Friend very primitive. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our new tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I would agree with you if the rare work related email had been put into this list for all to see. The difference is the company trolled for email addresses and now is sending out emails purporting that I registered/subscribed to their website for product information and, should I no longer want that information, I need to do something to stop it, thus verifying my email address as 'live' This is not the tactic of a company I care to do commerce with I'm afraid... Regards Stan Weyman Senior Software Engineer stan.wey...@emc.com EMC² (508)249-3966 where information lives It is wise to keep in mind that neither success nor failure is ever final... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Avram Friedman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: List spam I would not consider a rare work related email as a spam attack. Most firms that seek new clients engage in some form of targeted advertising. There are a few things that seperate the email from Recovery Knowelage from spam. 1. Appears to to a rare event. 2. It is targeted and directed ... i.e. is not an advert for tulip bulbs. 3. Presents a real product from a small company that has been around for many years. When one posts to a public forum like IBM-MAIN or even joins a public forum some privicy is sacrficed Best wishes Avram Friedman On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 05:57:02 -0700, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com wrote: On 1/14/2011 1:33 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote: Any/every-one else getting spammed by recoveryknowledge ?. Must have been done as a harvesting of the list as both addresses I use to post have been hit. No way I would have signed up (twice) for DB2 paraphernalia. Probably seen it before and just trashed it. Yeah, not only did I get spammed, they spelled my company name wrong throughout the email: Transiners Friend very primitive. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our new tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Stan, I agree. There are always some grey areas (or grey persons, who besides plugging their training company also provide useful contributions ;-)). However this is indiscriminate spanning to z/OS customers including suggesting they have subscribed, while it strictly concerns DB2 and there is a DB2-list. Kees. Stan Weyman stan.wey...@emc.com wrote in message news:63f312e6f4b4674a8f5ac4512c47ec8003e0e23...@mx06a.corp.emc.com... I would agree with you if the rare work related email had been put into this list for all to see. The difference is the company trolled for email addresses and now is sending out emails purporting that I registered/subscribed to their website for product information and, should I no longer want that information, I need to do something to stop it, thus verifying my email address as 'live' This is not the tactic of a company I care to do commerce with I'm afraid... Regards Stan Weyman Senior Software Engineer stan.wey...@emc.com EMC² (508)249-3966 where information lives It is wise to keep in mind that neither success nor failure is ever final... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Avram Friedman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: List spam I would not consider a rare work related email as a spam attack. Most firms that seek new clients engage in some form of targeted advertising. There are a few things that seperate the email from Recovery Knowelage from spam. 1. Appears to to a rare event. 2. It is targeted and directed ... i.e. is not an advert for tulip bulbs. 3. Presents a real product from a small company that has been around for many years. When one posts to a public forum like IBM-MAIN or even joins a public forum some privicy is sacrficed Best wishes Avram Friedman On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 05:57:02 -0700, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com wrote: On 1/14/2011 1:33 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote: Any/every-one else getting spammed by recoveryknowledge ?. Must have been done as a harvesting of the list as both addresses I use to post have been hit. No way I would have signed up (twice) for DB2 paraphernalia. Probably seen it before and just trashed it. Yeah, not only did I get spammed, they spelled my company name wrong throughout the email: Transiners Friend very primitive. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our new tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives
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---snip-- Any/every-one else getting spammed by recoveryknowledge ?. Must have been done as a harvesting of the list as both addresses I use to post have been hit. No way I would have signed up (twice) for DB2 paraphernalia. Probably seen it before and just trashed it. ---unsnip I'm getting it as well. Fits in the bit bucket just fine. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I would go so far as to say I wouldn't rule a company like this out but I still take some exception to the back door method used to send out their message, after getting their email list (I'm sure they also 'checked' the DB2 list for email addresses as well - among others). I am also a realist and this appears to be somewhat accepted in the world of email. I harken back to the days when anything posted that even smelled commercial would bring a stinging and last rebuke from the community. Ah the good old days (or were they g) LOL Regards, Stan Stan Weyman Senior Software Engineer stan.wey...@emc.com EMC² (508)249-3966 where information lives It is wise to keep in mind that neither success nor failure is ever final... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Vernooij, CP - SPLXM Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: List spam Stan, I agree. There are always some grey areas (or grey persons, who besides plugging their training company also provide useful contributions ;-)). However this is indiscriminate spanning to z/OS customers including suggesting they have subscribed, while it strictly concerns DB2 and there is a DB2-list. Kees. Stan Weyman stan.wey...@emc.com wrote in message news:63f312e6f4b4674a8f5ac4512c47ec8003e0e23...@mx06a.corp.emc.com... I would agree with you if the rare work related email had been put into this list for all to see. The difference is the company trolled for email addresses and now is sending out emails purporting that I registered/subscribed to their website for product information and, should I no longer want that information, I need to do something to stop it, thus verifying my email address as 'live' This is not the tactic of a company I care to do commerce with I'm afraid... Regards Stan Weyman Senior Software Engineer stan.wey...@emc.com EMC² (508)249-3966 where information lives It is wise to keep in mind that neither success nor failure is ever final... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Avram Friedman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: List spam I would not consider a rare work related email as a spam attack. Most firms that seek new clients engage in some form of targeted advertising. There are a few things that seperate the email from Recovery Knowelage from spam. 1. Appears to to a rare event. 2. It is targeted and directed ... i.e. is not an advert for tulip bulbs. 3. Presents a real product from a small company that has been around for many years. When one posts to a public forum like IBM-MAIN or even joins a public forum some privicy is sacrficed Best wishes Avram Friedman On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 05:57:02 -0700, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com wrote: On 1/14/2011 1:33 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote: Any/every-one else getting spammed by recoveryknowledge ?. Must have been done as a harvesting of the list as both addresses I use to post have been hit. No way I would have signed up (twice) for DB2 paraphernalia. Probably seen it before and just trashed it. Yeah, not only did I get spammed, they spelled my company name wrong throughout the email: Transiners Friend very primitive. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our new tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e
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Shane Ginnane wrote: Any/every-one else getting spammed by recoveryknowledge ?. Yes, but I found it mildly amusing... Hello Deer Recovery Knowledge an IBM Business Partner is offering an unbelievable (No License Charge) discount on all our DB2 Automated Tools to IX Netcom. Bob -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Hi List, Well, I would rule them out, not because they obviously harvested this list - but because they lied by claiming that I had subscribed. T he email address I use for this list is ONLY used for that purpose, never anything else. So the statement at the end - snip Recovery Knowledge PO Box 20870 Long Beach California 90801 United States You are subscribed to this mailing list as linda.lst...@comcast.net . Please click here to modify your message preferences or to unsubscribe from any future mailings. We will respect all unsubscribe requests. end snip is a lie. I did not subscribe and no company with which I do business, either personally or professionally has this email address. So, they and tried to trick me. That's a lot different than someone finding (or harvesting) an email address and sending me unsolicited email. I am not going to respond to the note because I don't want to confirm the live address for them. Of course, they are probably lurking here anyway. I hope that they do read this discussion and learn something. Cheers, Linda - Original Message - From: Stan Weyman stan.wey...@emc.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 11:05:24 AM Subject: Re: List spam I would go so far as to say I wouldn't rule a company like this out but I still take some exception to the back door method used to send out their message, after getting their email list (I'm sure they also 'checked' the D B2 list for email addresses as well - among others). I am also a realist and this appears to be somewhat accepted in the world of email. I harken back to the days when anything posted that even smelled commercial would bring a stinging and last rebuke from the community. Ah the good old days (or were they g) LOL Regards, Stan Stan Weyman Senior Software Engineer stan.wey...@emc.com EMC² (508)249-3966 where information lives It is wise to keep in mind that neither success nor failure is ever final... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Vernooij, CP - SPLXM Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: List spam Stan, I agree. There are always some grey areas (or grey persons, who besides plugging their training company also provide useful contributions ;-)). However this is indiscriminate spanning to z/OS customers including suggesting they have subscribed, while it strictly concerns DB2 and there is a DB2-list. Kees. Stan Weyman stan.wey...@emc.com wrote in message news:63f312e6f4b4674a8f5ac4512c47ec8003e0e23...@mx06a.corp.emc.com... I would agree with you if the rare work related email had been put into this list for all to see. The difference is the company trolled for email addresses and now is sending out emails purporting that I registered/subscribed to their website for product information and, should I no longer want that information, I need to do something to stop it, thus verifying my email address as 'live' This is not the tactic of a company I care to do commerce with I'm afraid... Regards Stan Weyman Senior Software Engineer stan.wey...@emc.com EMC² (508)249-3966 where information lives It is wise to keep in mind that neither success nor failure is ever final... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Avram Friedman Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: List spam I would not consider a rare work related email as a spam attack. Most firms that seek new clients engage in some form of targeted advertising. There are a few things that seperate the email from Recovery Knowelage from spam. 1. Appears to to a rare event. 2. It is targeted and directed ... i.e. is not an advert for tulip bulbs. 3. Presents a real product from a small company that has been around for many years. When one posts to a public forum like IBM-MAIN or even joins a public forum some privicy is sacrficed Best wishes Avram Friedman On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 05:57:02 -0700, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com wrote: On 1/14/2011 1:33 AM, Shane Ginnane wrote: Any/every-one else getting spammed by recoveryknowledge ?. Must have been done as a harvesting of the list as both addresses I use to post have been hit. No way I would have signed up (twice) for DB2 paraphernalia. Probably seen it before and just trashed it. Yeah, not only did I get spammed, they spelled my company name wrong throughout the email: Transiners Friend very primitive. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make
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In listserv%201101140850499626.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 01/14/2011 at 08:50 AM, Avram Friedman ibmsysp...@geek-sites.com said: Most firms that seek new clients engage in some form of targeted advertising. Spam is a good way to lose potential business. There are a few things that seperate the email from Recovery Knowelage from spam. No. If it is unsolicited, bulk and e-mail then it is spam, regardless of other factors. 1. Appears to to a rare event. People have gone to jail for thefts involving less than $.01. 2. It is targeted and directed ... i.e. is not an advert for tulip bulbs. They all claim to be targeted. What matters is permission. The only time targeting matters is when the message is sent to only a single target. 3. Presents a real product from a small company that has been around for many years. Spam for a real product is still spam. When one posts to a public forum like IBM-MAIN or even joins a public forum some privicy is sacrficed Posting in a public forum does not give permission to use the address for purposes unrelated to the forum. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On 14 January 2011 15:15, Linda Mooney linda.lst...@comcast.net wrote: Well, I would rule them out, not because they obviously harvested this list - but because they lied by claiming that I had subscribed. T he email address I use for this list is ONLY used for that purpose, never anything else. So the statement at the end - snip Recovery Knowledge PO Box 20870 Long Beach California 90801 United States You are subscribed to this mailing list as linda.lst...@comcast.net . Please click here to modify your message preferences or to unsubscribe from any future mailings. We will respect all unsubscribe requests. end snip is a lie. I did not subscribe and no company with which I do business, either personally or professionally has this email address. So, they and tried to trick me. That's a lot different than someone finding (or harvesting) an email address and sending me unsolicited email. I am not going to respond to the note because I don't want to confirm the live address for them. Of course, they are probably lurking here anyway. I hope that they do read this discussion and learn something. Well, they don't claim that *you* subscribed, but rather that you *are* subscribed, presumably because *they* subscribed you to their list. Well, one can argue the usage of subscribe, but the phrase you are subscribed is common enough, regardless of how you got that way. Strangely enough, I have not received email from them, though my name has been on this list and related others for many years. I *have* recently received email from an IBM business partner with similar grammatical skills to those evidently possessed by Recovery Knowledge, but at my work email address, which is not widely published. That bothers me a lot more, because it suggests that they got it from IBM, and my IBM options are the strictest no junk mail ones they have. Oh, and it's evidently mainframe migration, held at an IBM site. It would offer, Learning on how legacy systems and green screens can be converted into beautiful WebPages in as less as ten minutes?. Sigh... Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
