Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000
Actually, you can call IBM. They will happily quote you a price to get things running. You'll have to decide if it is worth the price or not. Just place a service call and you should get a call back from someone that can fix you up. HTH and good luck. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Wilson Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 12:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000 Hi, Does anyone know how to discard a whole bunch of pinned data on a 2107? We have suffered a power failure in our office and our 2107 has some pinned data. Unfortunately, I don¹t have the box on maintenance so I cannot call IBM... This is my development/training box. Mark -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000
I hate to ask a dumb question, but what is pinned data? I'm sure I once knew the answer to that question, but I can't for the life of me remember what it is. Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000 I hate to ask a dumb question, but what is pinned data? I'm sure I once knew the answer to that question, but I can't for the life of me remember what it is. Eric Bielefeld Data in cache which cannot be flushed onto the physical DASD, IIRC. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000
John - Thanks for the definition. That brings furthur questions. How does data get into the cache that can't be written to disk? Is that something caused by a power failure for the device, or some other failure? Also, I would think that if that condition can cause the 2107 not to work, that there should be some easy way for the customer to push a button or type in something on the service console to clear the cache. To me it sounds like a design flaw, although I haven't kept up with the technical details of the 2107 as well as I should be. Eric Eric Bielefeld Sr. Systems Programmer Milwaukee, Wisconsin 414-475-7434 - Original Message - From: McKown, John jmck...@healthmarkets.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000 I hate to ask a dumb question, but what is pinned data? I'm sure I once knew the answer to that question, but I can't for the life of me remember what it is. Eric Bielefeld Data in cache which cannot be flushed onto the physical DASD, IIRC. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000
On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 16:26:55 -0500, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.com wrote: John - Thanks for the definition. That brings furthur questions. How does data get into the cache that can't be written to disk? Is that something caused by a power failure for the device, or some other failure? Also, I would think that if that condition can cause the 2107 not to work, that there should be some easy way for the customer to push a button or type in something on the service console to clear the cache. To me it sounds like a design flaw, although I haven't kept up with the technical details of the 2107 as well as I should be. Device end came back , power went off before data for thre track was hardened onto the disk . The command to use is setcache with the proper parameters cfw pendingoff or else The problem is that this was tried by the OP but did not succeed . But it is normaly the simple way to do it so there is no design flaw. Perhaps there is a hardware problem. Bruno Sugliani zxnetconsult(at)free(dot)fr http://zxnetconsult.free.fr -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 16:26 -0500, Eric Bielefeld wrote: Also, I would think that if that condition can cause the 2107 not to work, that there should be some easy way for the customer to push a button or type in something on the service console to clear the cache. To me it sounds like a design flaw, although I haven't kept up with the technical details of the 2107 as well as I should be. Allow customers yet another way to easily destroy their own data. I don't think so - they seem to find enough ways on their own. Pinned data has (potentially) existed for as long as (nonvolatile) cached controllers have. If the data haven't made it out to the (customer) disk, it is kept until it can be destaged cleanly. During that time, the data on the disk is not current/valid. The problem is that the application has been told otherwise. Ron (and others no doubt) will be able to give some idea of what will cause pinned events on current kit. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000
To me it sounds like a. design flaw, although I haven't kept up with the technical details of the 2107 as well as I should be. Pinned data is not new with the 2107. It's been around since the 3990-3, at least. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:55:51 +0100, Mark Wilson mark.wil...@pobox.com wrote: Hi, Does anyone know how to discard a whole bunch of pinned data on a 2107? We have suffered a power failure in our office and our 2107 has some pinned data. Unfortunately, I don¹t have the box on maintenance so I cannot call IBM... This is my development/training box. IIRC the setcache command should do it You should be able to access it through ISMF Bruno Sugliani zxnetconsult(at)free(dot)fr http://zxnetconsult.free.fr -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000
Hi Mark, Once the system(s) that the data belongs to are up, and the DASD is up, the pinned data will destage and clean up on its own. I have se en this a number of times when we used to run on straight building power. Linda Mooney - Original Message - From: Mark Wilson mark.wil...@pobox.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Monday, July 6, 2009 10:55:51 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000 Hi, Does anyone know how to discard a whole bunch of pinned data on a 2107? We have suffered a power failure in our office and our 2107 has some pinned data. Unfortunately, I don¹t have the box on maintenance so I cannot call IBM... This is my development/training box. Mark -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000
Linda, Afraid not.The volumes are inaccessible from zOS and one of my LAPRS wont IPL as the RES vol has pinned data... Mark] On 06/07/2009 20:46, Linda Mooney linda.lst...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Mark, Once the system(s) that the data belongs to are up, and the DASD is up, the pinned data will destage and clean up on its own.? I have se en this a number of times when we used to run on straight building power.? Linda ?Mooney - Original Message - From: Mark Wilson mark.wil...@pobox.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Monday, July 6, 2009 10:55:51 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000 Hi, Does anyone know how to discard a whole bunch of pinned data on a 2107? We have suffered a power failure in our office and our 2107 has some pinned data. Unfortunately, I don¹t have the box on maintenance so I cannot call IBM... This is my development/training box. Mark -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html ___ Mark Wilson Mobile: +44 (0) 7768 617006 Email: mark.wil...@pobox.com Chairman GSE Large Systems Working Group. Large Systems Web Site is: http://lsx.gse.org.uk/ ___ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000
Hi Mark, If you have no accessibility from z/OS to your DASD (even offline works if you have a system somewhere) and your res has pinned data in the controller , I hope you have a back up of your res (and essentials) that you can lay down somewhere you can get to. If so, then to delete the pinned data use the IDCAMS SETCAC HE DISCARDPINNED command. If issued to an offline device you would need to use the unitnumber. If you want to try 'graceful' first, try using the DESTAGE command. If it was mine, with a power hit, I would do a thorough search for tripped breakers at the equipment level . Can't tell you the number of times I have found a tripped internal breaker after a hard power hit. If you find any they can be reset. T he DASD subsytem may then need to be re-IMLed. The controller will try to destage if/when the volume becomes available to it. You should be able to find device type specific docs in your 2107 Operations and Recovery Guide. I don't have any 2107, but the docs should be avail on the web, or perhaps someone on the list has a copy. In any case, since you can't call support, you're in a pickle. The service manual, which should be with controller - probably inside - should doc the FE method - if you can get into the panel. Best of Luck to you, Linda Mooney - Original Message - From: Mark Wilson mark.wil...@pobox.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Monday, July 6, 2009 1:01:14 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000 Linda, Afraid not.The volumes are inaccessible from zOS and one of my LAPRS wont IPL as the RES vol has pinned data... Mark] On 06/07/2009 20:46, Linda Mooney linda.lst...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Mark, Once the system(s) that the data belongs to are up, and the DASD is up, the pinned data will destage and clean up on its own.? I have se en this a number of times when we used to run on straight building power.? Linda ?Mooney - Original Message - From: Mark Wilson mark.wil...@pobox.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Monday, July 6, 2009 10:55:51 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000 Hi, Does anyone know how to discard a whole bunch of pinned data on a 2107? We have suffered a power failure in our office and our 2107 has some pinned data. Unfortunately, I don¹t have the box on maintenance so I cannot call IBM... This is my development/training box. Mark -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html ___ Mark Wilson Mobile: +44 (0) 7768 617006 Email: mark.wil...@pobox.com Chairman GSE Large Systems Working Group. Large Systems Web Site is: http://lsx.gse.org.uk/ ___ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000
Before resolving to kiss your data good-bye, consider paying Time and Materials to get a pro on site. Once your data is gone, the cost to recover could be greater than biting the bullet on a service call. . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com Linda Mooney linda.lst...@com CAST.NET To Sent by: IBM IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Mainframe cc Discussion List ibm-m...@bama.ua Subject .edu Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000 07/06/2009 05:49 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List ibm-m...@bama.ua .edu Hi Mark, If you have no accessibility from z/OS to your DASD (even offline works if you have a system somewhere) and your res has pinned data in the controller , I hope you have a back up of your res (and essentials) that you can lay down somewhere you can get to. If so, then to delete the pinned data use the IDCAMS SETCAC HE DISCARDPINNED command. If issued to an offline device you would need to use the unitnumber. If you want to try 'graceful' first, try using the DESTAGE command. If it was mine, with a power hit, I would do a thorough search for tripped breakers at the equipment level . Can't tell you the number of times I have found a tripped internal breaker after a hard power hit. If you find any they can be reset. T he DASD subsytem may then need to be re-IMLed. The controller will try to destage if/when the volume becomes available to it. You should be able to find device type specific docs in your 2107 Operations and Recovery Guide. I don't have any 2107, but the docs should be avail on the web, or perhaps someone on the list has a copy. In any case, since you can't call support, you're in a pickle. The service manual, which should be with controller - probably inside - should doc the FE method - if you can get into the panel. Best of Luck to you, Linda Mooney - Original Message - From: Mark Wilson mark.wil...@pobox.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Monday, July 6, 2009 1:01:14 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000 Linda, Afraid not.The volumes are inaccessible from zOS and one of my LAPRS wont IPL as the RES vol has pinned data... Mark] On 06/07/2009 20:46, Linda Mooney linda.lst...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Mark, Once the system(s) that the data belongs to are up, and the DASD is up, the pinned data will destage and clean up on its own.? I have se en this a number of times when we used to run on straight building power.? Linda ?Mooney - Original Message - From: Mark Wilson mark.wil...@pobox.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Monday, July 6, 2009 10:55:51 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Pinned data on 2107 aka DS8000 Hi, Does anyone know how to discard a whole bunch of pinned data on a 2107? We have suffered a power failure in our office and our 2107 has some pinned data. Unfortunately, I don¹t have the box on maintenance so I cannot call IBM... This is my development/training box. Mark ___ Mark Wilson Mobile: +44 (0) 7768 617006 Email: mark.wil...@pobox.com Chairman GSE Large Systems Working Group. Large Systems Web Site is: http://lsx.gse.org.uk/ ___ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search
