Re: InfoCenters (Was: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas)
Last year, I downloaded the IEHS and successfully ran it on my Windows laptop as a stand-alone application. It's kinda big (like 12MB), but it works. http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/iehs Ed, did you find books in eplcise plugin format, e.g. the z/OS library? -- Peter Hunkeler Credit Suisse -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: InfoCenters (Was: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas)
Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote: Last year, I downloaded the IEHS and successfully ran it on my Windows laptop as a stand-alone application. It's kinda big (like 12MB), but it works. http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/iehs Ed, did you find books in eplcise plugin format, e.g. the z/OS library? I was experimenting with and testing the platform for (E)JES books only. I never thought to look for z/OS books or any other books. But, you bring up an excellent point! If one can install IEHS locally, where does one download the books to populate it? I have not yet seen an equivalent to the Softcopy Librarian for the eclipse-style plug-ins. As I understand it, IBM gives out DVDs at SHARE, with fully-populated, ready-to-run InfoCenters, for those people that complete the documentation survey and/or attend Geoff Smith's sessions. If they made that available as an .iso image, that would be a start. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:32:23 +0100, Barbara Nitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if an open-source .BOO reader has merit. As well as perhaps an open-source writer. I like that idea. But are you sure that IBM will disclose the .boo format? As far as I know, it is proprietary! Well, if IBM decided to release it to an open source project, it would certainly get the albatross of maintaining a piece of software at a dead loss. And many customers would be *overjoyed*. Regards, Art Gutowski Ford Motor Company -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:41:35 -0600, Arthur Gutowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 4 Dec 2008 07:32:23 +0100, Barbara Nitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if an open-source .BOO reader has merit. As well as perhaps an open-source writer. I like that idea. But are you sure that IBM will disclose the .boo format? As far as I know, it is proprietary! And it may not be possible. Since we don't know the format, it may be licensed from a 3rd party with an NDA signed by IBM. Well, if IBM decided to release it to an open source project, it would certainly get the albatross of maintaining a piece of software at a dead loss. And many customers would be *overjoyed*. Yes, I would love it if IBM released a document on the format. It would be even more wonderful if IBM released the actual code. Regards, Art Gutowski Ford Motor Company -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
Leo Smith wrote: Why wouldn't you just use the z/VM V5R4 bookshelf? Here's how to find it: 1) Go to the z/OS Internet library Web page (includes links to z/VM and z/VSE manuals, too) at: http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/ 2) Once there, click on the Bookshelf titles and filenames link under the Search heading: http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/find_shelves.html 3) On the returned page, type z/VM V5R4 into the search dialog box and click on the Find button. 4) On the returned page of search results, you'll get a link back to the z/VM V5R4 bookshelf available on our Web site.Click on the link: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/Shelves/HCSH2AA0 Plus 3 (?) mouse clicks to download each book. Right. Seems you chose to ignore this bit of my post: quote All I could find (that was usable) /quote Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
I'm wondering whether we need to hack together some helper scripts for PDFs. I know this is a VAGUE wondering. Will repeat it on Twitter and see if anyone bites in either forum. :-) Martin Packer Performance Consultant IBM United Kingdom Ltd +44-20-8832-5167 +44-7802-245-584 [EMAIL PROTECTED] They're figuring out that collaboration isn't a productivity hit, it makes them smarter. Sam Palmisano on BlogCentral, 26 November 2008 Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
Martin Packer wrote: I'm wondering whether we need to hack together some helper scripts for PDFs. I know this is a VAGUE wondering. Will repeat it on Twitter and see if anyone bites in either forum. :-) Better yet Martin, how about twisting some upper appendages to get some sensible download options for BookManager. As mentioned earlier, why the hell can't packages (zip, tar, pax, ...) of books (or better entire bookshelves including index) be available ?. Or park the whole DVD iso(s) somewhere for download - even if limited to torrent. I'd be happy to leave my (home) system open overnight as a seed, as I'm sure would others. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
Yeah, I missed that you needed them locally. I was just responding to being able to easily search the z/VM V5R4 manuals from the Internet. Regarding download: For z/OS, at least, you can use Softcopy Librarian to download books/PDFs/bookshelves/bookshelf indexes. See: http://www.ibm.com/software/applications/office/bkmgr/librarian.html Why wouldn't you just use the z/VM V5R4 bookshelf? Here's how to find it: 1) Go to the z/OS Internet library Web page (includes links to z/VM and z/VSE manuals, too) at: http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/ 2) Once there, click on the Bookshelf titles and filenames link under the Search heading: http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/find_shelves.html 3) On the returned page, type z/VM V5R4 into the search dialog box and click on the Find button. 4) On the returned page of search results, you'll get a link back to the z/VM V5R4 bookshelf available on our Web site.Click on the link: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/Shelves/HCSH2AA0 Plus 3 (?) mouse clicks to download each book. Right. Seems you chose to ignore this bit of my post: quote All I could find (that was usable) /quote Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/01/2008 at 08:51 PM, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it applies only to potential subsequent releases. Please stick with BookManager unless and until you can supply something else at least as good. That includes fast searches, cross-reference links and indexing. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/02/2008 at 10:08 AM, Gibney, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I do wish IBM would get BookManager upgraded to work on Vista someday soon. I'd like Linux and OS/2 versions, non-Java. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
Shmuel Metzwrote: I do wish IBM would get BookManager upgraded to work on Vista someday soon. I'd like Linux and OS/2 versions, non-Java. What he said - although I don't relish resurrecting my old OS/2 floppies yet again ... :eek: A usable Linux (definitely __non-Java__) version would be great. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
Thank you for your thoughts and comments. Just to clarify: This discussion began with respect to the data areas books, and was intended to be limited to those books. There is no thought that I am aware of to change from having the z/OS manuals other than data areas in both book and PDF format. So that should allay some of the fear. The only issue currently on the table is whether the data areas books themselves should be -- gotten rid of entirely (that will *not* happen) -- made available only in PDF -- made available in both PDF and book. -- made available in some other format entirely (this seems unlikely to me, but I wanted to mention it for completeness) I do not have any idea if only book format on the WEB' vs book format on TSO as well as on the WEB is a consideration. I did note the several comments from folks who use the book format on TSO. Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:25:04 +1000, Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..] Really, it shouldn't be this difficult to find the info we want/need. Indeed. Isn't there some sort of 'minimum documentation' requirement? Since we no longer have any hardcopy, we ought to have usable software. PDF just doesn't cut it. Search and index bite, plus the sundry issues already cited. BookManager and Librarian are great tools - it's a shame IBM is giving up on them. Now that it's written in Java, isn't it easy and cheap enough to maintain and port the code (forget Vista, but what about the many flavors of Linux, z OS', Mac OS, etc.)? Once again, they forsake a superior product in the name of ubiquity. SIGH Regards, Art Gutowski Ford Motor Company -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:45:52 -0600, Arthur Gutowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:25:04 +1000, Shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [..] Really, it shouldn't be this difficult to find the info we want/need. Indeed. Isn't there some sort of 'minimum documentation' requirement? Since we no longer have any hardcopy, we ought to have usable software. PDF just doesn't cut it. Search and index bite, plus the sundry issues already cited. BookManager and Librarian are great tools - it's a shame IBM is giving up on them. Now that it's written in Java, isn't it easy and cheap enough to maintain and port the code (forget Vista, but what about the many flavors of Linux, z OS', Mac OS, etc.)? I can't say about Bookmanager Read, but the Softcopy Librarian seems to have some Windows specific add-ons so that it cannot run on anything other than Windows. I don't understand why IBM did this. Once again, they forsake a superior product in the name of ubiquity. SIGH And, I will bet, to decrease their costs. If they can eliminate bookmanager, then they can drop support for all that software. And they don't charge for it, so maintaining it is a dead loss. Regards, Art Gutowski Ford Motor Company -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
There is no thought that I am aware of to change from having the z/OS manuals other than data areas in both book and PDF format. There are other IBM products besides z/OS that are already dropping the .boo format for some of their books. I recently had the need to get current books for DB2 V9.1 for z/OS. I've found many of them in both .pdf and .boo format while some were available only as .pdf. So that should allay some of the fear. Not really, see my comment above. I do not have any idea if only book format on the WEB' vs book format on TSO as well as on the WEB is a consideration. I did note the several comments from folks who use the book format on TSO. Is the .boo format found in the CDs any different from either the WEB or the TSO format? If so, then there need to be 3 formats. I'm really having a hard time to understand why providing manuals in .boo format or not is an issue at all. IBM manuals, at least in the z-area, have a common look which seem to indicate they are all written with similar tools and strong sytle rules. Isn't there an automated process of producing .boo, .html, .pdf and what else from the same source? What a shame. -- Peter Hunkeler Credit Suisse -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Relson Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas Snipped The only issue currently on the table is whether the data areas books themselves should be -- gotten rid of entirely (that will *not* happen) -- made available only in PDF -- made available in both PDF and book. -- made available in some other format entirely (this seems unlikely to me, but I wanted to mention it for completeness) FWIW, #3 -- both formats, please, for all the same reasons that were cited re: every other IBM manual. Debugging is hard enough already, and Data Areas are sometimes critical to enabling it to be done at all. Peter This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/02/2008 at 11:04 AM, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: These days a big honkin' USB hard drive might be a better choice. What's wrong with old fashioned DVD's? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
Shane If you use the IBM Softcopy Librarian product you can access books via the internet from the sources and repositories page. I download both pdf and .boo files by bookshelf including index to my laptop all the time using softcopy librarian. Eric -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shane Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 4:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas Martin Packer wrote: I'm wondering whether we need to hack together some helper scripts for PDFs. I know this is a VAGUE wondering. Will repeat it on Twitter and see if anyone bites in either forum. :-) Better yet Martin, how about twisting some upper appendages to get some sensible download options for BookManager. As mentioned earlier, why the hell can't packages (zip, tar, pax, ...) of books (or better entire bookshelves including index) be available ?. Or park the whole DVD iso(s) somewhere for download - even if limited to torrent. I'd be happy to leave my (home) system open overnight as a seed, as I'm sure would others. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/02/2008 at 11:04 AM, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: These days a big honkin' USB hard drive might be a better choice. What's wrong with old fashioned DVD's? SNIP They can get scratched and become unreadable. Just had it happen. We had an INSTALL DVD get a scratch on it, and it became a coaster. Mind you, it was in a protection sleeve inside a thick cardboard media envelope. Granted, you can make the same arguments for a USB drive (well, what if they dropped it?). But it is, in my opinion, harder to screw up a 4GB thumb drive than it is to screw up a DVD. Regards, Steve Thompson -- Opinions expressed by this poster are not necessarily those of poster's employer -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Thompson, Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They can get scratched and become unreadable. Just had it happen. We had an INSTALL DVD get a scratch on it, and it became a coaster. Mind you, it was in a protection sleeve inside a thick cardboard media envelope. Granted, you can make the same arguments for a USB drive (well, what if they dropped it?). But it is, in my opinion, harder to screw up a 4GB thumb drive than it is to screw up a DVD. Regards, Steve Thompson I can vouch for that. My thumb drive has been through the laundry -twice- and still works. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
InfoCenters (Was: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas)
Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote: There is no thought that I am aware of to change from having the z/OS manuals other than data areas in both book and PDF format. There are other IBM products besides z/OS that are already dropping the .boo format for some of their books. I recently had the need to get current books for DB2 V9.1 for z/OS. I've found many of them in both .pdf and .boo format while some were available only as .pdf. Peter is right. Many products have fully transitioned to, or are moving toward, Information Centers. For example: DB2: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/db2luw/v9/index.jsp CICS: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/cicsts/v3r2/index.jsp WAS: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/wasinfo/v5r1/index.jsp DS8000: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/dsichelp/ds8000ic/index.jsp Tivoli Storage Manager: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tivihelp/v1r1/index.jsp z/VM: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zvm/v5r4/index.jsp In keeping with the tradition that Z/OS users are always the last to know, possibly because we're the most demanding group, ours is referred to as a beta http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r10/index.jsp so as not to imply our existing sources of documentation are going away, which I believe they are (eventually). These public InfoCenters use IBM-provided web servers running Apache TomCat. Similar servers can be put up on corporate intranet. Last year, I downloaded the IEHS and successfully ran it on my Windows laptop as a stand-alone application. It's kinda big (like 12MB), but it works. http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/iehs What doesn't work is direct TSO/E access to these books. :-( You need a PC and a web server, even if it local to the PC. Since 98% of the information is just text over HTML, I wonder if lynx, running under z/OS UNIX, can render this information adequately? I'm worried about how the stuff in the left pane will look/operate with lynx. Is lynx even an option for z/OS users? I've never investigated this... -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:16:57 -0500, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for your thoughts and comments. Just to clarify: This discussion began with respect to the data areas books, and was intended to be limited to those books. Ok. That wasn't clear to me before, hence my comments about BM in general. The only issue currently on the table is whether the data areas books themselves should be -- gotten rid of entirely (that will *not* happen) -- made available only in PDF -- made available in both PDF and book. -- made available in some other format entirely (this seems unlikely to me, but I wanted to mention it for completeness) I still want BM because I use the old library reader that doesn't support PDF bookshelves. Even if I used the Java reader (which I do have installed), I would open the BM format MVS bookshelf, and that is where I would want to see the data area manuals (along with all the other manuals). Also a bookshelf search wouldn't include those manuals if they were not there in BM format also. I don't download the PDF version of the MVS bookshelf, so I have no idea how long it takes to do a bookshelf search, but even if it didn't take too long the way adobe displays the hits is awful compared to BM. Long live Book Manager!! Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: InfoCenters (Was: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas)
On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:23:19 -0800, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote: There is no thought that I am aware of to change from having the z/OS manuals other than data areas in both book and PDF format. There are other IBM products besides z/OS that are already dropping the .boo format for some of their books. I recently had the need to get current books for DB2 V9.1 for z/OS. I've found many of them in both .pdf and .boo format while some were available only as .pdf. Peter is right. Many products have fully transitioned to, or are moving toward, Information Centers. For example: DB2: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/db2luw/v9/index.jsp CICS: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/cicsts/v3r2/index.jsp WAS: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/wasinfo/v5r1/index.jsp DS8000: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/dsichelp/ds8000ic/index.jsp Tivoli Storage Manager: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/tivihelp/v1r1/index.jsp z/VM: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zvm/v5r4/index.jsp In keeping with the tradition that Z/OS users are always the last to know, possibly because we're the most demanding group, ours is referred to as a beta http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r10/index.jsp so as not to imply our existing sources of documentation are going away, which I believe they are (eventually). And then there are Library Centers also. For example: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/bookmgr_OS390/libraryserver/zosv1r9/ But I assume those are being replaced with the Information Centers. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: InfoCenters (Was: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mark Zelden On Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:23:19 -0800, Edward Jaffe wrote: Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) wrote: There are other IBM products besides z/OS that are already dropping the .boo format for some of their books. I recently had the need to get current books for DB2 V9.1 for z/OS. I've found many of them in both .pdf and .boo format while some were available only as .pdf. Peter is right. Many products have fully transitioned to, or are moving toward, Information Centers. For example: [ snip ] In keeping with the tradition that Z/OS users are always the last to know, possibly because we're the most demanding group, ours is referred to as a beta http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r10/index.jsp so as not to imply our existing sources of documentation are going away, which I believe they are (eventually). And then there are Library Centers also. For example: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/bookmgr_OS390/libraryserver/zosv1r9/ But I assume those are being replaced with the Information Centers. I hope so. The Library Centers are Java-based, and it takes a couple of weeks just for the navigation frame to populate. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: InfoCenters (Was: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas)
Chase, John wrote: I hope so. The Library Centers are Java-based, and it takes a couple of weeks just for the navigation frame to populate. Information Centers are also Java based... -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: InfoCenters (Was: Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Chase, John wrote: I hope so. The Library Centers are Java-based, and it takes a couple of weeks just for the navigation frame to populate. Information Centers are also Java based... Hmmm I guess Eclipse uses a fully caffeinated Java, then -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
I'll add one other feature: no JAVA dependancies! Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/01/2008 at 08:51 PM, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it applies only to potential subsequent releases. Please stick with BookManager unless and until you can supply something else at least as good. That includes fast searches, cross-reference links and indexing. -- Rick -- Remember that if you're not the lead dog, the view never changes. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
Just to clarify: This discussion began with respect to the data areas books, and was intended to be limited to those books. There is no thought that I am aware of to change from having the z/OS manuals other than data areas in both book and PDF format. So that should allay some of the fear. No, it doesn't. At this years zConf in Germany (and I am sure at Share, too, from what Ed Jaffe has posted) IBM is definitely attempting to get rid of .boo books and force exclusive use of that information center stuff on us. Stated not quite as boldly at those conferences, but given as a 'statement of direction' nonetheless. What's more, not listening to the protests! I believe that just about everybody who debugs *needs* data areas in .boo format. You know the control block you want, and you don't want to crawl around some pdf to get at the right bit position, say in a WQE control block that can come in several flavours, to boot! Another book that *should* be in bookmanager format is the principles of operation that hasn't been provided in that format for a very long time. If it's too big, make it two books! Almost 15MB is a nuisance, even if you use foxit instead of the more cumbersome acrobat reader. Is the .boo format found in the CDs any different from either the WEB or the TSO format? Not sure, but I don't think so. For Fault analyzer, we get the user guide in boo format distributed in one of the libraries on MVS. the instruction is to download this (if needed) to a pc as .boo. This to me implies that the format is the same. I wonder if an open-source .BOO reader has merit. As well as perhaps an open-source writer. I like that idea. But are you sure that IBM will disclose the .boo format? As far as I know, it is proprietary! Regards, Barbara Nitz -- Pt! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
Rick Fochtman: As Bob Shannon noted, the initial z/OS 1.10 bookshelf did not have the data areas books. IBM developers (and perhaps others) complained and apparently now they do. There is no indication that this will necessarily continue in subsequent releases. I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it applies only to potential subsequent releases. unsnip-- Peter, I much prefer the BookManager form for all manuals. The search engine is far better, even if it does often provide hits that aren't really relevant to what I need. Bookmanager = fast, simple and elegant. PDF = slow, cumbersome and pretty. As for those 'hits that aren't really relevant,' it's much better than the PDF sequential search. How many times do I have to look at the contents, summary of changes and intro in every PDF? I also have to wait while Adobe is started and each PDF is loaded. Since I'm usually on TSO in the first place, that's where I prefer to find my manuals. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
snip I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it applies only to potential subsequent releases. unsnip As one who spends a fair amount of time using BookManager, I would greatly appreciate IBM retaining BookManager for the manuals. BookManager is easier to navigate than PDF, at least for IBM manuals, and the search capability is faster and provides better 'hits'. I have to use PDF for other vendors' manual and I can tell the difference when I spend a day researching via PDF rather than BookManager. Thanks for soliciting our opinion too. Jack Kelly -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
A parallel discussion on Bookmanager vs PDF is going on on Twitter right now. It's a DB2-centric conversation but I've attempted to bring a z/OS (corroborative) perspective to the discussion. Martin Packer Performance Consultant IBM United Kingdom Ltd +44-20-8832-5167 +44-7802-245-584 [EMAIL PROTECTED] They're figuring out that collaboration isn't a productivity hit, it makes them smarter. Sam Palmisano on BlogCentral, 26 November 2008 Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
Snipped I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it applies only to potential subsequent releases. I will add my USD$0.02 as well. Bookmanager is the best search engine by far, and as others have said the ability to search across shelves as well as books on a shelf is crucial. And the hits are usually right on target. If Adobe or some clever independent programmer ever get PDF searchability into the same league as Bookmanager, THEN you might be able to go all PDF. Until then, Bookmanager for search/investigation/problem resolution and PDF for print/copy/study. And I'm quite happy with Bookmanager on the net. I've never personally seen it on TSO anywhere, as some apparently do. On local Websphere, yes, but not on TSO. Peter This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
Colleagues, My thoughts on the Book Manager versus PDF issue: - Because I need to view so many different versions of manuals, for different releases of IMS, z/OS, DFSMS, etc., it is not practical to download copies of all manuals to my work PC, home PC, laptop, etc., or to charge someone with doing the same on a company server. - Downloading PDF manuals is very slow, even on a high-speed link, because the size of the manuals is so large it takes a distractingly large amount of time. - Book Manager manuals are fast because only the portion you need is downloaded - Ditto what everyone else is saying about search capability - Ditto what everyone else is saying about printing. Tom Harper IMS Utilities Development Team Neon Enterprise Software, Inc. Sugar Land, TX -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:51:15 -0500, Peter Relson wrote: I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it applies only to potential subsequent releases. I prefer bookmanager for everything except printing. When I only want to print or copy/paste a small bit, I will often use the bookmanager books, though. As others have said, Bookmanager is smaller and easier to search. For web access, there is no comparison between using BookServer manuals and downloading the PDF. I routinely use Library Manager to download the bookshelves to my PC and use them frequently. Recently, I have been reading the Principles of Operation a lot. I've had it open for weeks and I wish there was a bookmanager format available for the -6 version. I often have more than five manuals open in the Softcopy reader. That many large PDF files open slows me down. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
- Because I need to view so many different versions of manuals, for different releases of IMS, z/OS, DFSMS, etc., it is not practical to download copies of all manuals to my work PC, home PC, laptop, etc., or to charge someone with doing the same on a company server. [snip] - Book Manager manuals are fast because only the portion you need is downloaded As for z/OS, I usually buy the CD-Collection and the copy all the *.boo and *.bks to my laptop. Verfy efficient, very handy. You even immediately can see all the versions in the bookshelf with Library Reader. Superb. Every now and then, I download the *.boo files from IBM products that still happen to offer them. Unfortunately *.bks files are normally missing, but they are build in a couple of minutes. Just did that for DB2 V9 a few weeks ago (well, not all books were available in *.boo format but the most important are). It would be great if IBM would offer ZIP files containing all the *.boo and the corresonding *.bks product by product. Download one file, extract and voilà. -- Peter Hunkeler Credit Suisse -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Bookmanger Books (was Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas)
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:51:15 -0500, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it applies only to potential subsequent releases. Would a few comments on IBM-MAIN help? I've been filling out surveys at SHARE for the last 4 years indicating that I want to keep BookManager format and almost every other sysprog and developer I know has been doing the same thing. Haven't we made our case by now? Is anyone really listening? Regards, Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
In a message dated 12/2/2008 10:01:55 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: by far, and as others have said the ability to search across shelves as well as books on a shelf is crucial. And the hits are usually right on target. Our DR plan included copies of 'current manuals' of all products. Usually this was spun off on CDs in whatever formats the vendor provided. We even found a pack that would fit in the turtle shells for warm site. For force majure money center banks are required to have two weeks supply of everything. **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0002) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
Hi, I agree with the Investment banker ... and disagree with the Ims utility developer from Tom DeLay's country or the Secession state.. Buy the DVD and copied it all over the place. The Advantage of the PDF's ? Some how it's easier to print parts of a PDF. BookManager does not or will not understand my request , to print parts of manuals. Anton On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:57:41 +0100, Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Because I need to view so many different versions of manuals, for different releases of IMS, z/OS, DFSMS, etc., it is not practical to download copies of all manuals to my work PC, home PC, laptop, etc., or to charge someone with doing the same on a company server. [snip] - Book Manager manuals are fast because only the portion you need is downloaded As for z/OS, I usually buy the CD-Collection and the copy all the *.boo and *.bks to my laptop. Verfy efficient, very handy. You even immediately can see all the versions in the bookshelf with Library Reader. Superb. Every now and then, I download the *.boo files from IBM products that still happen to offer them. Unfortunately *.bks files are normally missing, but they are build in a couple of minutes. Just did that for DB2 V9 a few weeks ago (well, not all books were available in *.boo format but the most important are). It would be great if IBM would offer ZIP files containing all the *.boo and the corresonding *.bks product by product. Download one file, extract and voilà. -- Peter Hunkeler Credit Suisse -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:14:18 EST, Ed Finnell wrote: Our DR plan included copies of 'current manuals' of all products. Usually this was spun off on CDs in whatever formats the vendor provided. These days a big honkin' USB hard drive might be a better choice. You could put a lot of other stuff on it, too, like DR doc, PC tools, etc. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Bookmanger Books (was Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas)
Mark Zelden wrote: Would a few comments on IBM-MAIN help? I've been filling out surveys at SHARE for the last 4 years indicating that I want to keep BookManager format and almost every other sysprog and developer I know has been doing the same thing. Haven't we made our case by now? Is anyone really listening? There was a recent thread on IBM-MAIN in which ISVs that still produced BookManager books were given kudos for doing so. But, IBM has tried hard to make it almost impossible for us to continue to offer this well accepted and popular documentation format. IBM has been trying to kill BookManager for years without providing a viable alternative. Their strategy was to simply stop supporting the products ISVs depend on to build the books. (Not much you can do if the software doesn't work.) And, PDF was the only alternative for those that through in the towel. BookManager Build for Windows is flat-out no longer supported by IBM and will not work with the latest word processor and Java releases. We have to keep old versions of these around--even old, dedicated PCs--just for BookManager. It's ridiculous! Recognizing the inherent problems with PDFs, IBM seems to have recently settled on a new direction for enterprise documentation utilizing the eclipse framework. (That's the technology upon which all of these documentation InfoCenters are built.) The new framework is not BookManager. But, it does provide cross-book searching and some other qualities BookManager is known for, including the ability to cite a single section of a book via web URL. This is far, far, FAR better organization than a PC folder full of PDFs! The biggest problem is that IBM has done this unilaterally and provided no guidance whatsoever to ISVs for how to transform their word processor documents into eclipse plug-ins, suitable for the new framework. I experimented with this over last year's Christmas holiday, and achieved less-than-optimal results. (The words were all there, but the formatting was gone.) Alternate experimental approaches yielded similar unusable results. Since IBM chooses not to present any of this information to ISVs in Poughkeepsie, I have written them to ask for recommendations for transforming ISV word processing documents into a format suitable for the new framework. So far, they don't have an answer for me. :-( For more information about this topic, including an opportunity to provide written and verbal feedback to those directly responsible, come to SHARE in Austin, March 1-6, and attend the following: 2889: z/OS Documentation Tools and Technology Today 2892: Get Your Hands-In: Shaping the Future of z/OS Product Documentation -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:04:50 -0600, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:14:18 EST, Ed Finnell wrote: Our DR plan included copies of 'current manuals' of all products. Usually this was spun off on CDs in whatever formats the vendor provided. These days a big honkin' USB hard drive might be a better choice. You could put a lot of other stuff on it, too, like DR doc, PC tools, etc. -- Tom Marchant Our DR person says that anything used at DR must be stored at Iron Mountain. That is, we are not allowed to take anything in with us other than pens and blank paper. No USB devices, no documentation, zippo. We do keep DVDs with this data off site. -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:19:26 -0600, John McKown wrote: Our DR person says that anything used at DR must be stored at Iron Mountain. That is, we are not allowed to take anything in with us other than pens and blank paper. No USB devices, no documentation, zippo. Iron Mountain can't store a USB drive? --- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
Actually, with Softcopy Librarian, it is easy and practical to download most every manual you need. I guess needing older versions is a complication, but right now, I have z/OS 1.7 thru z/OS 1.10 at work and 1.7/1.9 on my laptop. I do wish IBM would get BookManager upgraded to work on Vista someday soon. On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:57:41 +0100, Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Because I need to view so many different versions of manuals, for different releases of IMS, z/OS, DFSMS, etc., it is not practical to download copies of all manuals to my work PC, home PC, laptop, etc., or to charge someone with doing the same on a company server. [snip] - Book Manager manuals are fast because only the portion you need is downloaded Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State Univsersity -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:51:30 -0600, Tom Marchant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:19:26 -0600, John McKown wrote: Our DR person says that anything used at DR must be stored at Iron Mountain. That is, we are not allowed to take anything in with us other than pens and blank paper. No USB devices, no documentation, zippo. Iron Mountain can't store a USB drive? --- Tom Marchant I guess so. But I wonder how well cushioned it would need to be. Does anybody know if Iron Mountain (or other off-site secure storage) already does this? Of course, it had better be very well labeled. We still have tapes which sometimes go walkabout (as the Aussies would say). -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
Would it help if we stop calling it BookMangler ? :-) Seriously, I am a big fan of the Book Manager format and would be lost without it. I find the TSO interface particularly useful, especially when looking up messages and codes. Please remember that not all shops allow their programmers to have Internet access. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it applies only to potential subsequent releases. Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
AND with FTP/TLS -- No unsecured (in clear) credentials allowed to access the mainframe so native FTP is disallowed and the Librarian product only uses in clear. Jerry Whitteridge Mainframe Engineering Safeway Inc 925 951 4184 [EMAIL PROTECTED] If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Actually, with Softcopy Librarian, it is easy and practical to download most every manual you need. I guess needing older versions is a complication, but right now, I have z/OS 1.7 thru z/OS 1.10 at work and 1.7/1.9 on my laptop. Email Firewall made the following annotations. -- Warning: All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the corporate e-mail system, and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. This e-mail may contain proprietary information and is intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that you have received this message in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
When I can access PDF from TSO/ISPF I'd be willing to drop the need for Bookmanager format books. If I'm working a problem (either in house or in a DR) I need the doc where I'm working and not rely on connectivity to other platforms (either in house or externally at IBM). Jerry Whitteridge Mainframe Engineering Safeway Inc 925 951 4184 [EMAIL PROTECTED] If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Relson I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it applies only to potential subsequent releases. Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design Email Firewall made the following annotations. -- Warning: All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the corporate e-mail system, and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. This e-mail may contain proprietary information and is intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that you have received this message in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
+1 for BookManager. And I'm one of those Mark referred to as filling out the survey at Share. Seems it's geting harder to get manuals, not easier. I needed some z/VM 5.4 manuals recently. All I could find (that was usable) was a web page with a table of pdfs. Knocked up a script to cycle through the page and pull them all down with wget while I was at a meeting. Then I had to hack up some html so I had a cross-reference from IBM manual number to something meaningful. Did somebody mention searching ??? ... maybe even across manuals ... ??? Bah. Really, it shouldn't be this difficult to find the info we want/need. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Why wouldn't you just use the z/VM V5R4 bookshelf? Here's how to find it: 1) Go to the z/OS Internet library Web page (includes links to z/VM and z/VSE manuals, too) at: http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/ 2) Once there, click on the Bookshelf titles and filenames link under the Search heading: http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/find_shelves.html 3) On the returned page, type z/VM V5R4 into the search dialog box and click on the Find button. 4) On the returned page of search results, you'll get a link back to the z/VM V5R4 bookshelf available on our Web site.Click on the link: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/Shelves/HCSH2AA0 Leo +1 for BookManager. And I'm one of those Mark referred to as filling out the survey at Share. Seems it's geting harder to get manuals, not easier. I needed some z/VM 5.4 manuals recently. All I could find (that was usable) was a web page with a table of pdfs. Knocked up a script to cycle through the page and pull them all down with wget while I was at a meeting. Then I had to hack up some html so I had a cross-reference from IBM manual number to something meaningful. Did somebody mention searching ??? ... maybe even across manuals ... ??? Bah. Really, it shouldn't be this difficult to find the info we want/need. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Bookmanger Books (was Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 12/02/2008 at 09:18 AM, Edward Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: BookManager Build for Windows is flat-out no longer supported by IBM and will not work with the latest word processor and Java releases. We have to keep old versions of these around--even old, dedicated PCs--just for BookManager. It's ridiculous! What's wrong with DCF, BookMaster and BookManager Build for MVS? As a user, what I'd really like to see is some BookMaster/BookManager extensions to DocBook, but I won't hold my breathe. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
As Bob Shannon noted, the initial z/OS 1.10 bookshelf did not have the data areas books. IBM developers (and perhaps others) complained and apparently now they do. There is no indication that this will necessarily continue in subsequent releases. I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it applies only to potential subsequent releases. Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
--snip- As Bob Shannon noted, the initial z/OS 1.10 bookshelf did not have the data areas books. IBM developers (and perhaps others) complained and apparently now they do. There is no indication that this will necessarily continue in subsequent releases. I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it applies only to potential subsequent releases. unsnip-- Peter, I much prefer the BookManager form for all manuals. The search engine is far better, even if it does often provide hits that aren't really relevant to what I need. -- Rick -- Remember that if you’re not the lead dog, the view never changes. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
Hi Peter, My $0.02. So many manuals, so little time, so much we need to know. Book and PDF have different strengths. Book is stellar at search, with the search across collections being, for me, a critically useful feature. Research and digging info out of the docs would be so much more painful without it. There is no way I would want to face a page full of PDFs and have to search through all of them on any specific subject. When I am ready to print or ready to copy/paste into a local how-to or procedure, etc. I use PDF, for those are its strengths. I need and use both formats for different parts of the same purpose. Thanks, Linda Mooney -- Original message -- From: Peter Relson [EMAIL PROTECTED] As Bob Shannon noted, the initial z/OS 1.10 bookshelf did not have the data areas books. IBM developers (and perhaps others) complained and apparently now they do. There is no indication that this will necessarily continue in subsequent releases. I would still appreciate your comments regarding PDF-only even if it applies only to potential subsequent releases. Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bob Shannon did you register that IBM is no more delivering z/OS MVS Data Areas! Data Areas are still available, but unfortunately only in PDF format, not in Book Manager format. ??? I have the Bookmanager format z/OS 1.10 MVS Data Areas Vol. 1 manual open in a Firefox window as we speak. Vols. 2 - 6 also display in the list of books in the MVS Bookshelf. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
The data areas books are still available, in PDF format; they are not in book format. I don't have the link offhand; they're in with all the other PDFs. Your comments on this approach are of interest. Note that I believe this approach was taken for the JES books earlier (after the ridiculous time when they were removed completely; please don't rehash that disaster) Peter Relson z/OS Core Technology Design -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion On Behalf Of Peter Relson The data areas books are still available, in PDF format; they are not in book format. http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/Shelves/IEA2BK90 BookPDF z/OS V1R10.0 MVS Data Areas, Vol 1 (ABEP-DCCB) MVS10DA1 11/12/08 10:09:13NA BookPDF z/OS V1R10.0 MVS Data Areas, Vol 2 (DCCD-IEFDOKEY) MVS10DA2 11/12/08 10:06:51 NA BookPDF z/OS V1R10.0 MVS Data Areas, Vol 3 (IEFDORC-ISGYQCBP) MVS10DA3 11/12/08 10:00:31 NA BookPDF z/OS V1R10.0 MVS Data Areas, Vol 4 (ISGYQUAA-MCHEAD)MVS10DA4 11/12/08 10:01:31 NA BookPDF z/OS V1R10.0 MVS Data Areas, Vol 5 (MCSCSA-SNAPX) MVS10DA5 11/12/08 10:01:06 NA BookPDF z/OS V1R10.0 MVS Data Areas, Vol 6 (SPD-XTLST) MVS10DA6 11/14/08 14:32:09 NA http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/MVS10DA1/CCON TENTS Title: MVS Data Areas Volume 1 (ABEP-DCCB) Build Date: 11/12/08 10:09:13 Build Version: 1.3.1 of BUILD/VM Version: UG03924 DropDate: Monday December 5 2005 Document Path: /home/webapps/zoslib/htdocs/books/mvs10da1.boo Sure looks and acts like Book Manager format to me. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
I have the Bookmanager format z/OS 1.10 MVS Data Areas Vol. 1 manual open in a Firefox window as we speak. Vols. 2 - 6 also display in the list of books in the MVS Bookshelf. Interesting. This is a very late addition which was not in the original 1.10 bookshelf. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
FYI I stumbled upon this today: Links to the Bookmanager versions of the MVS Data Areas books for z/OS 1.10 As follows: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/MVS10DA1/CCONTENTS?SHELF=IEA2BK90DN=NADT=20081112100913 http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/MVS10DA2/CCONTENTS?SHELF=IEA2BK90DN=NADT=20081112100651 http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/MVS10DA3/CCONTENTS?SHELF=IEA2BK90DN=NADT=20081112100031 http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/MVS10DA4/CCONTENTS?SHELF=IEA2BK90DN=NADT=20081112100131 http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/MVS10DA5/CCONTENTS?SHELF=IEA2BK90DN=NADT=20081112100106 http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/MVS10DA6/CCONTENTS?SHELF=IEA2BK90DN=NADT=20081114143209 Can be found on book shelf link: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/Shelves/IEA2BK90 Bob Shannon wrote: I have the Bookmanager format z/OS 1.10 MVS Data Areas Vol. 1 manual open in a Firefox window as we speak. Vols. 2 - 6 also display in the list of books in the MVS Bookshelf. Interesting. This is a very late addition which was not in the original 1.10 bookshelf. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
Peter Relson wrote: The data areas books are still available, in PDF format; they are not in book format. Check again. They are also in Book format. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
In a message dated 11/30/2008 10:41:12 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sure looks and acts like Book Manager format to me. Probably some broken down PSR that had used BM format to diagnose 1000's of dumps figured they'd do us a servicevbg **Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0002) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
Your comments on this approach are of interest. I'm still using the Library Reader as the reference tool. It's fast, let's me search whole book shelves. It's not so good on printing more that a very few pages - PDF is the better way to go for this. In a big company, behind all the firewalls, proxy servers and what else there might be, internet access is quiter slow every now an then. Having the books on the local disk is very helpful. I don't understand why the Bookmaster files are disappearing. IBM still publishes the books in HTML format. There is not a big difference between HTML and Bookmaster input, is there? -- Peter Hunkeler Credit Suisse -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
did you register that IBM is no more delivering z/OS MVS Data Areas! Data Areas are still available, but unfortunately only in PDF format, not in Book Manager format. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas
See if this link is what you are looking for. http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/MVS10DA1/CCONTENT S?SHELF=IEA2BK90DN=NADT=20081112100913 or tinyurl http://tinyurl.com/5fh5ef Title: MVS Data Areas Volume 1 (ABEP-DCCB) Build Date: 11/12/08 10:09:13 Build Version: 1.3.1 of BUILD/VM Version: UG03924 DropDate: Monday December 5 2005 Document Path: /home/webapps/zoslib/htdocs/books/mvs10da1.boo Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yves Colliard Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 8:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: z/OS 1.10 and Data Areas Hello List, did you register that IBM is no more delivering z/OS MVS Data Areas! Keep your Old Literature (z/OS 1.9). Look for GA22-7581, GA22-7582, GA22-7583, GA22-7584, GA22-7585 I really not understand what IBM is doing with such actions! Should system programmer, engineer and developer no more have these information? I'm very sad... I love MVS since years and use the control blocks for diagnosis, development and others! Regards Yves - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
