Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
The zIIPs don't particularly affect JDBC or ODBC access to DB2 stored procedures with DB2 V8 for z/OS, as far as I know. DB2 9 for z/OS does enjoy zIIP benefits in such a scenario, however. But if the DB2 stored procedures are written in Java (1.4.1 or higher at a sufficient build level), they can exploit zAAPs. With DB2 9 you can actually drive both types of engines with Java stored procedures remotely accessed (cross-LPAR or over the network) via DRDA (JDBC, ODBC). - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
Edward Jaffe wrote: Ted MacNEIL wrote: So, IBM went with CP for the engines an Central Electronic Complex (CEC) for the box. These days, they're called CPCs. In fact there is (was) difference between CPC and CEC. In the very old times of 9672 R1 it was possible to have more than one CPC in CEC. Now it's 1:1 relation. CP's that are not specialty engines are GP's. General Processors. Or GCPs. Even IBM uses different names. On HMC it can be GP, while on other places it will be CP. So, CP=GP = MVS processor. General processing unit - which can be any of (CP, IFL, zIIP, zAAP, ICF) - it is PU. However it's only matter of naming. Since there is no single consistent source of the names it comes (or would come) to USS paranoia. vbg My advice: if you are not sure what kind of processor is mentioned, simply ASK to be sure. It's better to ask twice, than to be misguide once. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
Thanks to all who have replied to this posting. To all who are running DB2 v8, presumably the workload you are offloading to zIIP is stored procedures? What release of z/OS are on? Anybody got IPSec offloaded? Anybody got ISV products offloaded, e.g. Syncsort? Thanks. Gray, Larry - Larry A [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 24/04/2008 21:32 Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation If you are using DB2 v8 or up with a distributed workload, it works great and you do not have to do anything to make it work. Larry Gray Large Systems Engineering Lowe's Companies 336-658-7944 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Liston Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 3:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: zIIPs zAAP exploitation Hi, we're looking at doing POCs for running production workloads on specialist engines. Looking for feedback from anybody who is making use of these with details of workload that's running there, success or otherwise and any gotchas. Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html This e-mail is confidential and, if you are not the intended recipient, please return it to us and do not retain or disclose it. We filter and monitor e-mails in order to protect our system and the integrity, confidentiality and availability of e-mails. We cannot guarantee that e-mails are risk free and are not responsible for any related damage or unauthorised alteration of e-mails by third parties after sending. For more information on Standard Life group, visit our website http://www.standardlife.com/ Standard Life plc (SC286832), Standard Life Assurance Limited* (SC286833) and Standard Life Employee Services Limited (SC271355) are all registered in Scotland at Standard Life House, 30 Lothian Road, Edinburgh EH1 2DH. *Authorised and regulated by the Financial Services Authority. 0131 225 2552. Calls may be recorded/monitored. Standard Life group includes Standard Life plc and its subsidiaries. Please consider the environment. Think - before you print. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
There is a little qualification on that. If you are on z/OS v1.6 or v1.7 you need to apply some maintenance to be able to utilize the zIIP processor. For z/OS v1.6 it's FMID JBB77S9 and for v1.7 it's FMID JBB772S. We are on z/OS 1.7 with a target date of installing v1.9 of September. However, we want to start using the zIIP so we need to apply the maintenance to v1.7. Another nice benefit of the maintenance is that it'll populate fields in the SMF records that will allow you to determine what current CPU usage on the GP engines is eligible for the zIIP whether or not you have the zIIP installed. Tom Kelman Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gray, Larry - Larry A Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 3:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation If you are using DB2 v8 or up with a distributed workload, it works great and you do not have to do anything to make it work. Larry Gray Large Systems Engineering Lowe's Companies 336-658-7944 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Liston Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 3:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: zIIPs zAAP exploitation Hi, we're looking at doing POCs for running production workloads on specialist engines. Looking for feedback from anybody who is making use of these with details of workload that's running there, success or otherwise and any gotchas. Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html * If you wish to communicate securely with Commerce Bank and its affiliates, you must log into your account under Online Services at http://www.commercebank.com or use the Commerce Bank Secure Email Message Center at https://securemail.commercebank.com NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any attached files are confidential. The information is exclusively for the use of the individual or entity intended as the recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, printing, reviewing, retention, disclosure, distribution or forwarding of the message or any attached file is not authorized and is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please advise the sender by reply electronic mail immediately and permanently delete the original transmission, any attachments and any copies of this message from your computer system. * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
Ed, Thanks for including this. These were the numbers from the August 2007 SHARE. Below I've included the results from Feb 2008, and you can see that it really hasn't changed much. I'm in the middle of writing now, so I've not been watching IBM-Main. If you ever need anything, just send me a post offline. You can get Cheryl's presentation from http://www.watsonwalker.com/PR080229.pdf. Slide 4 contains the survey questions: Current Server Type (now or within next 12 months) z800, z900, z890 (23% at last SHARE)? - 34% 2/08 z990 (23%)? - 18% z9-BC (24%)? - 19% z9-EC (38%)? - 32% Z10? - 8% Older Hardware (1%)? - 1% Using zAAP Processors (32)? - 34 Using zIIP Processors (40)? - 41 Have Used On/Off Capacity on Demand (21)? - 31 Using Variable WLC Pricing (31)? - 31 Doing Heavy Cryptographic Work (9)? - 10 Who is exploiting the full 65,520 cylinders of a 3390-54? - 7 Best regards, Cheryl Watson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
I may be wrong, but I believe the number of older hardware you quote below is much higher than 1%. I suspect that shops with hardware that old don't send people to Share very often. Eric Bielefeld On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:46:42 -0400, Cheryl Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed, Thanks for including this. These were the numbers from the August 2007 SHARE. Below I've included the results from Feb 2008, and you can see that it really hasn't changed much. I'm in the middle of writing now, so I've not been watching IBM-Main. If you ever need anything, just send me a post offline. You can get Cheryl's presentation from http://www.watsonwalker.com/PR080229.pdf. Slide 4 contains the survey questions: Current Server Type (now or within next 12 months) z800, z900, z890 (23% at last SHARE)? - 34% 2/08 z990 (23%)? - 18% z9-BC (24%)? - 19% z9-EC (38%)? - 32% Z10? - 8% Older Hardware (1%)? - 1% Using zAAP Processors (32)? - 34 Using zIIP Processors (40)? - 41 Have Used On/Off Capacity on Demand (21)? - 31 Using Variable WLC Pricing (31)? - 31 Doing Heavy Cryptographic Work (9)? - 10 Who is exploiting the full 65,520 cylinders of a 3390-54? - 7 Best regards, Cheryl Watson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 12:58:30 -0500 Eric Bielefeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :I may be wrong, but I believe the number of older hardware you quote below is :much higher than 1%. I suspect that shops with hardware that old don't send :people to Share very often. There is the missing Don't know, which may skew the results or lead people to guess. :On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 10:46:42 -0400, Cheryl Walker :[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :Thanks for including this. These were the numbers from the August 2007 :SHARE. Below I've included the results from Feb 2008, and you can see that :it really hasn't changed much. :I'm in the middle of writing now, so I've not been watching IBM-Main. If :you ever need anything, just send me a post offline. : You can get Cheryl's presentation from : http://www.watsonwalker.com/PR080229.pdf. Slide 4 contains the survey : questions: :Current Server Type (now or within next 12 months) : z800, z900, z890 (23% at last SHARE)? - 34% 2/08 : z990 (23%)? - 18% : z9-BC (24%)? - 19% : z9-EC (38%)? - 32% : Z10? - 8% : Older Hardware (1%)? - 1% : Using zAAP Processors (32)? - 34 : Using zIIP Processors (40)? - 41 : Have Used On/Off Capacity on Demand (21)? - 31 : Using Variable WLC Pricing (31)? - 31 : Doing Heavy Cryptographic Work (9)? - 10 : Who is exploiting the full 65,520 cylinders of a 3390-54? - 7 -- Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 14:27 -0500, Steven Liston wrote: Looking for feedback from anybody who is making use of [specialty engines] with details of workload that's running there, success or otherwise and any gotchas. Can't help you with your specific question, but you may be interested in anecdotal evidence of their popularity. At Cheryl's Hot Flashes session back in February she asked for a show of hands -- how many people are using those offload engines? Over a third of hands shot up in a room with maybe 160 people in it. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
I read somewhere yesterday (latest z/Journal?) that IBM has a speciality engine loaner program that lets you eval the engine for up to 90 days. If that's appealing to you, check with your IBM rep for the terms. -Rob On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:27:29 -0500, Steven Liston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, we're looking at doing POCs for running production workloads on specialist engines. Looking for feedback from anybody who is making use of these with details of workload that's running there, success or otherwise and any gotchas. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
Are you looking for anything specific? Although it is tempting to go with the add a specialty processor, flip the switch, and watch and be amazed; you do have to understand what will go there, how much, etc. If you are running sub-capacity GPs, you may see different results (since the IFAs run at full speed). You also need to do some Capacity Planning, both for the GPs and the IFAs. Remember that about 40% of DB2 work qualifies for zIIPs. There are also CA solutions that fully utilize the specialty processors, and you may want to consider that too. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 SYSN 06:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 14:27 -0500, Steven Liston wrote: Looking for feedback from anybody who is making use of [specialty engines] with details of workload that's running there, success or otherwise and any gotchas. Can't help you with your specific question, but you may be interested in anecdotal evidence of their popularity. At Cheryl's Hot Flashes session back in February she asked for a show of hands -- how many people are using those offload engines? Over a third of hands shot up in a room with maybe 160 people in it. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
David Andrews wrote: Can't help you with your specific question, but you may be interested in anecdotal evidence of their popularity. At Cheryl's Hot Flashes session back in February she asked for a show of hands -- how many people are using those offload engines? Over a third of hands shot up in a room with maybe 160 people in it. She asked about zAAPs and zIIPs separately. Each had significant numbers of hands showing. In the past, her presentation -- with polling questions and number of responses -- was uploaded to the SHARE proceedings. Unfortunately, I just checked and, oddly enough, Cheryl's presentation was *not* uploaded to the proceedings for Orlando. (I assume that was an oversight.) Perhaps she will make it available from her own web site! Similar polling questions were asked in San Diego. SHARE members can find that presentation here: http://www.share.org/member_center/open_document.cfm?document=proceedings/SHARE_in_San_Diego/S2509CK144146.pdf The survey questions page contains: Current Server Type (now or within next 12 months) z800, z900, z890 (75% at last SHARE)? z990 (40%)? z9-EC (60%)? z9-BC (40%)? Older Hardware (1%)? Using zAAP Processors (30)? Using zIIP Processors (25)? Activated IRD CPU Management (12)? Have Used On/Off Capacity on Demand (12)? Using Variable WLC Pricing (20)? Doing Heavy Cryptographic Work (10)? -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
Ed Jaffe just told me that my session wasn't on the SHARE site. I had sent it in last month, and just yesterday noticed that it wasn't there, so I've asked them to update it. In the meantime, you can get it from my website at http://www.watsonwalker.com/presentations.html. Thanks, Ed! Sorry! Cheryl Watson -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation She asked about zAAPs and zIIPs separately. Each had significant numbers of hands showing. In the past, her presentation -- with polling questions and number of responses -- was uploaded to the SHARE proceedings. Unfortunately, I just checked and, oddly enough, Cheryl's presentation was *not* uploaded to the proceedings for Orlando. (I assume that was an oversight.) Perhaps she will make it available from her own web site! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 10:38 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote: She asked about zAAPs and zIIPs separately. My notes say that she asked about zAAPs and zIIPs in one question, then about IFLs in another. About half of the audience raised their hands in response to the latter question. (Yeah, I take notes at those things. Good thing too, 'cause they don't have handouts anymore - not to start crying the blues about THAT again.) -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
Yeah, yeah, replying to my own post. On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 14:53 -0400, David Andrews wrote: My notes say that she asked about zAAPs and zIIPs in one question Which conflicts with Cheryl's own notes, which has those broken apart. So I yield to you again, Mr. Jaffe. (I do that a lot, it seems.) -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
David Andrews wrote: On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 10:38 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote: She asked about zAAPs and zIIPs separately. My notes say that she asked about zAAPs and zIIPs in one question, then about IFLs in another. About half of the audience raised their hands in response to the latter question. Dave, You can get Cheryl's presentation from http://www.watsonwalker.com/PR080229.pdf. Slide 4 contains the survey questions: Current Server Type (now or within next 12 months) z800, z900, z890 (23% at last SHARE)? z990 (23%)? z9-BC (24%)? z9-EC (38%)? Z10? Older Hardware (1%)? Using zAAP Processors (32)? Using zIIP Processors (40)? Have Used On/Off Capacity on Demand (21)? Using Variable WLC Pricing (31)? Doing Heavy Cryptographic Work (9)? Who is exploiting the full 65,520 cylinders of a 3390-54? -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
Rob, Yes, you can get any of the speciality engines, zIIP, zAAP or IFL on spec for 90 days. Best of all it's an MES item, so you don't have to do anything to the hardware. Cheers, Jon Butler System-z IT Architect IBM Federal Region [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1 703.597.5102 mobile +1 301.803.1058 office +2 262.1058 IBM Tieline From: Rob Wunderlich [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Date: 25-04-08 13:06 Subject: Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation I read somewhere yesterday (latest z/Journal?) that IBM has a speciality engine loaner program that lets you eval the engine for up to 90 days. If that's appealing to you, check with your IBM rep for the terms. -Rob On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:27:29 -0500, Steven Liston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, we're looking at doing POCs for running production workloads on specialist engines. Looking for feedback from anybody who is making use of these with details of workload that's running there, success or otherwise and any gotchas. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
We had a company in Milwaukee that got to use 7 IFL engines for free for about a year for a test project running a couple hundred Linux servers. If you are big enough, and are likely to buy the engines, IBM can be very flexible. In this case, the company didn't buy the IFL engines. Eric Rob Wunderlich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read somewhere yesterday (latest z/Journal?) that IBM has a speciality engine loaner program that lets you eval the engine for up to 90 days. If that's appealing to you, check with your IBM rep for the terms. -Rob -- Eric Bielefeld Systems Programmer Aviva USA Des Moines, Iowa 515-645-5153 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
Rob, I am the author of the article in the latest z/Journal. Our company actually did utilize the SELP from IBM for three months and we did decide to keep the zIIP engine afterwards (we are leasing it). This has to be a no-brainer from IBM's point of view. All they do is enable a processor which is currently unused on your z9 or z10 processor chip (which costs them nothing), and if you don't like, nothing ventured, nothing gained. If you like it (as we did), they make a sale, and they have essentially made money out of thin air. There is no question that this is a great business plan for IBM. Of course, we are very happy with the zIIP engine ourselves also, since it removes a lot of processing from our CP processors. Tom Harper IMS Utilities Development Team Neon Enterprise Software, Inc. Sugar Land, TX -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Bielefeld Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation We had a company in Milwaukee that got to use 7 IFL engines for free for about a year for a test project running a couple hundred Linux servers. If you are big enough, and are likely to buy the engines, IBM can be very flexible. In this case, the company didn't buy the IFL engines. Eric Rob Wunderlich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I read somewhere yesterday (latest z/Journal?) that IBM has a speciality engine loaner program that lets you eval the engine for up to 90 days. If that's appealing to you, check with your IBM rep for the terms. -Rob -- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
removes a lot of processing from our CP processors. pedantry All processors are CP's. It stands for Central Processor. They used to be called CPU's, but the US Federal Government came up with a requirement that anything called a 'unit' could be purchased separately. (Speaking of pedantry...) So, IBM went with CP for the engines an Central Electronic Complex (CEC) for the box. CP's that are not specialty engines are GP's. General Processors. /penantry - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
Ted, That's not what IBM thinks: http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/advantages/ziip/gettingstarted/order.htm l Tom Harper IMS Utilities Development Team Neon Enterprise Software, Inc. Sugar Land, TX -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation removes a lot of processing from our CP processors. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
Ted MacNEIL wrote: So, IBM went with CP for the engines an Central Electronic Complex (CEC) for the box. These days, they're called CPCs. CP's that are not specialty engines are GP's. General Processors. Or GCPs. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
Depends on the country, I guess. IBM Canada told me this, and when I worked for them, it was the mantra. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -Original Message- From: Tom Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 15:50:24 To:IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation Ted, That's not what IBM thinks: http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/advantages/ziip/gettingstarted/order.htm l Tom Harper IMS Utilities Development Team Neon Enterprise Software, Inc. Sugar Land, TX -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation removes a lot of processing from our CP processors. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
Ted, That's not what IBM thinks: http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/advantages/ziip/gettingstarted/order.html Tomato, tomahto. I have seen documentation that calls them CP's, GP's and specialty engines, along with their specialty names (ICFs, IFLs, zIIPs, zAAPs, and ZOWIEs). We're getting into semantics, and I did flag my response as pedantry. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
We have ambitions of getting into zIIP because of a dfSMS change that occurred very recently without much fanfare. SDM (System Data Mover), the heart of XRC (aka Global Mirroring for z [or whatthehellever]) will now utilize a zIIP engine. I realize that XRC is not everyone's cup of SCIDS nectar, but we have burned quite a few CPC cycles mirroring DASD over the last ten years. Like other exploiters, SDM will simply use the zIIP if one is installed. Stay tuned for experience reports. . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steven Liston [EMAIL PROTECTED] ANDARDLIFE.COMTo Sent by: IBM IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Mainframe cc Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject .EDU zIIPs zAAP exploitation 04/24/2008 12:27 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] .EDU Hi, we're looking at doing POCs for running production workloads on specialist engines. Looking for feedback from anybody who is making use of these with details of workload that's running there, success or otherwise and any gotchas. Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zIIPs zAAP exploitation
If you are using DB2 v8 or up with a distributed workload, it works great and you do not have to do anything to make it work. Larry Gray Large Systems Engineering Lowe's Companies 336-658-7944 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Liston Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 3:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: zIIPs zAAP exploitation Hi, we're looking at doing POCs for running production workloads on specialist engines. Looking for feedback from anybody who is making use of these with details of workload that's running there, success or otherwise and any gotchas. Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
