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SNAPSHOT: Please join us for an IBM System z9 Business Class announcement on Thursday, April 27 at 16:30 UK. Who thinks of these things, and do they have ANY contact with reality? OK, guys. We've had an increasingly tough time over the past couple of decades, mostly because of IBM's software price gouging. Not to mention its asshole lawyer. But c'mon - when was the last time a paid mainframe employee flew Business Class at company expense? I thought bc stood for Business Computer. Now that makes a bit of sense. But Business Class? You get there just the same, but pay 60% more and get a free orange juice. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In a message dated 4/24/2006 11:40:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: when was the last time a paid mainframe employee flew Business Class at company expense? October, 1998 was my last time. It all depends on who your employer is, how profitable they are, their travel policy, and how far the trip is. I flew from Boston to Johannesburg, my employer was extremely profitable, and I qualified under their policy because flying each way took about 18 hours. It was wonderful. And I had a lot more than a free orange juice; e.g., there was free food and booze in the exclusive waiting lounges at Logan and Heathrow. You get there just the same, but pay 60% more and get a free orange juice. You also have a LOT more leg room, elbow room, comfort in general, and storage space for carry-on items. Bill Fairchild -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Phil Payne wrote: SNAPSHOT: Please join us for an IBM System z9 Business Class announcement on Thursday, April 27 at 16:30 UK. Who thinks of these things, and do they have ANY contact with reality? OK, guys. We've had an increasingly tough time over the past couple of decades, mostly because of IBM's software price gouging. Not to mention its asshole lawyer. But c'mon - when was the last time a paid mainframe employee flew Business Class at company expense? I thought bc stood for Business Computer. Now that makes a bit of sense. But Business Class? You get there just the same, but pay 60% more and get a free orange juice. Agreed completely! The problem stems from the extremely poor choice of System z9 as a brand name. (The IBM System z9 109 was obviously named by someone in IBM's Department of Redundancy Department!) By putting the number 9 into the brand name, they broke the quite reasonable zSeries convention of using 9 for the big machines and 8 for the mid-size offering. So they decided to come up with the naming convention weirdness (presumably) being unveiled this week... -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z8 ???
Phil Payne wrote: SNAPSHOT: Please join us for an IBM System z9 Business Class announcement on Thursday, April 27 at 16:30 UK. Who thinks of these things, and do they have ANY contact with reality? OK, guys. We've had an increasingly tough time over the past couple of decades, mostly because of IBM's software price gouging. Not to mention its [bleep!] lawyer. But c'mon - when was the last time a paid mainframe employee flew Business Class at company expense? I thought bc stood for Business Computer. Now that makes a bit of sense. But Business Class? You get there just the same, but pay 60% more and get a free orange juice. Agreed completely! The problem stems from the extremely poor choice of System z9 as a brand name. (The IBM System z9 109 was obviously named by someone in IBM's Department of Redundancy Department!) By putting the number 9 into the brand name, they broke the quite reasonable zSeries convention of using 9 for the big machines and 8 for the mid-size offering. So they decided to come up with the naming convention weirdness (presumably) being unveiled this week... -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Broken URLs (was: Re: z8 ???)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/17/2006 at 06:01 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: There is a convention followed by some MUAs and mentioned in RFC 1738 (but not defined there -- does anyone know the origin?) of using '' and '' to delimit broken URLS to be rejoined by the MUA. I was under the impression that it applied to any URL, split or not. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 00:00:00 GMT, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what is the MIPS or MSUs of the particular models ??? MIPS are whatever you want them to be! I wrote an article, admittedly for an IBM publication, and it was only 900 words, so I only scratched the surface. But, MIPS are: Workload Dependent Processor option dependent Micro-code patch level dependent z/OS release dependent. OK, so I'm an idiot. I look at that page and I see 9 different models under the 1-way column for the Z9BC S07. I thought the -way was equivilent to number of engines ??? I thought the increasing models in the -way column would represent decreasing impairment of the processor until you get to the last row which is full speed ??? I'll take an MSU number. I just want to know what relative speed each engine is. I'll check out the z9-109 and see if I can find anything useful there too. How granular is the step ??? Each engine added is a step. That's the granularity. But what MSU/MIP value is assigned to an engine ??? And if that were true, there would have to be 84 engines in the S07 machine. How can that be correct if it is previously stated that there are 8 processors in each machine ??? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z8 ???
But what MSU/MIP value is assigned to an engine ??? It depends. The first engine is 100%. The second gives you 86% more (approx). The next around 82%. The 9th gives you ... MSUs are assigned based on the total capacity of the CEC. Not on the individual CP's. And, MSUs are not the same as they used to be. - -teD O-KAY! BLUE! JAYS! Let's PLAY! BALL! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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You might want to revisit the site. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.co.uk +44 7833 654 800 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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You might want to revisit the site. Gee, in the US information about the z8 is only available under non-disclosure. Bob Shannon -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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PPain wrote: You might want to revisit the site. BShannon wrote: Gee, in the US information about the z8 is only available under non-disclosure. Bob Shannon Now now Bob, don't be teasing the animals ... [;)] Dave Cole -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Gee, in the US information about the z8 is only available under non-disclosure. IBM's asshole lawyer made damn sure I wasn't even offered one. But it makes no difference to how I work - I've never used illegally obtained information. But he'd know that, wouldn't he? If he'd ever bothered to call me. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.co.uk +44 7833 654 800 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Getting out of the zSeries analysis biz or just pushing it onto the back burner? The IBM mainframe stuff has moved here Search Engine Relationship Management Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO Performance and Availability Management mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) 301.986.3574 Think big, act bold, start simple, grow fast... -Original Message- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.co.uk +44 7833 654 800 This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In a message dated 4/17/2006 9:56:22 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now now Bob, don't be teasing the animals . Too good to pass up _http://www.uga.edu/~srel/ecoview1-29-06.htm_ (http://www.uga.edu/~srel/ecoview1-29-06.htm) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Finnell In a message dated 4/17/2006 9:56:22 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now now Bob, don't be teasing the animals . Too good to pass up _http://www.uga.edu/~srel/ecoview1-29-06.htm_ (http://www.uga.edu/~srel/ecoview1-29-06.htm) The page cannot be displayed There is a problem with the page you are trying to reach and it cannot be displayed. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Good story, Ed. Thanks! Dave At 4/17/2006 12:32 PM, EFinnell wrote: In a message dated 4/17/2006 9:56:22 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now now Bob, don't be teasing the animals . Too good to pass up http://www.uga.edu/~srel/ecoview1-29-06.htm (http://www.uga.edu/~srel/ecoview1-29-06.htm) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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John, It works just fine. you have to know to remove extraneous characters such as brackets and underscores which get carried over when you copy and paste. In order to try and avoid this in the URLs I post, I put them on a separate line or insert them in brackets with a space either side. There may be a better way, of course. Chris Mason - Original Message - From: Chase, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Sent: Monday, 17 April, 2006 6:48 PM Subject: Re: z8 ??? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Finnell In a message dated 4/17/2006 9:56:22 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now now Bob, don't be teasing the animals . Too good to pass up _http://www.uga.edu/~srel/ecoview1-29-06.htm_ (http://www.uga.edu/~srel/ecoview1-29-06.htm) The page cannot be displayed There is a problem with the page you are trying to reach and it cannot be displayed. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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In a message dated 4/17/2006 11:48:42 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The page cannot be displayed There is a problem with the page you are trying to reach and it cannot be displayed. Just chop the http: thru .htm in browser window and it pops up. Been fighting this longer than Ted's been dinking with his ISP. Otherwise search Google News for Whit Gibbons and Chimpanzee. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
z8 ???
Getting out of the zSeries analysis biz or just pushing it onto the back burner? Probably getting out of it eventually. My fellow webmasters would recoil in shock if I suggested there was something more difficult to deal with than Google - but IBM's lawyers take the biscuit for incompetence, arrogance and sheer rudeness. The two major factors are the departure of the PCMs - who wants to know which to choose when there's only one - and the realisation of On Demand technologies. There are now no other vendors interested in what IBM is going to do next with its mainframes. I haven't had a serious study question from another vendor for a year or more. As a proportion of the total computing market, it's miniscule. You know, in the old days it was important to buy the right machine. If you bought a /158 and found it too small, you either had to buy another one or sell it and buy a /168. Either way, there was a serious hit for getting it wrong. There isn't any more. And the MIPS tables have been pissing me off for some time. Modern workloads are so complex these numbers really are pretty useless. It amuses me immensely when people say: I don't use the Isham tables, I get mine from xyz. Where do you think THEY get them from? There's a bit of mileage in optimising software charges, but with Software Group running round doing audits and sending retrospective demands - yes, I've seen one in Europe - that's not much fun either. I'll leave that to Al Sherkow - there isn't room for two in that market and the lad does a good job. There are fewer users, too. The VSE license base has declined by over 40% (sites) in the last five years. I believe in most geographies IBM's sales of z890s and z9s have been below half of outlook in recent periods, in some places even lower. It's nearly three years since an IBMer I know and respect sidled up to me and asked what I thought critical mass might be. IMO we're less than two years off. And on another tack - I too have an ape story. We took our children (about twenty years ago) to Frankfurt Zoo. This was an old-style zoo - all concrete and the pens just big enough to let the animals turn round. They were actively running it down, following the London Zoo/Whipsnade model. It was siling and the gorillas were all inside. They had a relatively spacious tiled enclosure, raised a few feet above the public. The silverback sat at the front, arms folded with an inscrutable grin. The rest of the family were spread around behind him. I stood in front of them and wondered who was really on show. One of the females was gently grooming a juvenile, cuddling and embracing a bit. All of a sudden the juveline laughed, slapped its knee, poked the female and pointed. She followed the outstretched finger to look at whatever the juveline had spotted, and laughed herself. I never saw what it was, but it obviously amused them both immensely. Hey, Mum, look at THAT! -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.co.uk +44 7833 654 800 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z8 ???
Phil Payne wrote: Getting out of the zSeries analysis biz or just pushing it onto the back burner? There are now no other vendors interested in what IBM is going to do next with its mainframes. I haven't had a serious study question from another vendor for a year or more. As a proportion of the total computing market, it's miniscule. Maybe it's just you. According to a presentation I attended last week by Terry Virnig (IBM), 4Q05 was IBM's highest mainframe quarter for revenue since 4Q98; capacity grew 28% year-over-year; and it was the highest MIPS quarter in history! With respect to market momentum, she presented charts showing that, according to data obtained from IDC FY2005-Q3 Quarterly Server Tracker, IBM -- and zSeries in particular -- has significant upwards momentum in the $250K server market as compared with nearly flat or declining market share from HP and Sun. It looks like IBM's overall market share in that space climbed from roughly 38% in 3Q98 to over 50% in 3Q05 with zSeries nearly doubling from a low of around 18% in 3Q00 to over 30% in 3Q05. Overall server market momentum looks strong as well, with IBM and Dell showing significant gains, HP staying about flat, and Sun continuing its precipitous slide. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z8 ???
Edward Jaffe wrote: Phil Payne wrote: Getting out of the zSeries analysis biz or just pushing it onto the back burner? There are now no other vendors interested in what IBM is going to do next with its mainframes. I haven't had a serious study question from another vendor for a year or more. As a proportion of the total computing market, it's miniscule. Maybe it's just you. Well, him and me. And the un-employed members of ibm-main, and ... Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MIPS (was: z8 ??)
And the MIPS tables have been pissing me off for some time. Modern workloads are so complex these numbers really are pretty useless. More than. I cannot tell everything I know, but: 1. They didn't test much of the big stuff. Rather, they produced a straight line from 17+ (z/990) and 21+ (z9) based on the 'MIPS', which is not linear. The degradation on everything greater than 2 CP's is linear. IE: if the third gives you 84% of the single engine, and the 4th gives you 81%, or whatever the figures are, the rest is a simple linear equation with a negative slope. Translating back to MIPS drops 3000 off the rated capacity of a 332. It's worse on the S54. I haven't gone public with the exact figures, but any body who can do the math, should take a close look at the LSPR figures. The actual point where they straightened the curve has changed a few times in the last couple of years. But, if you plot the (publicly) available figures, you'll see it. 2. They didn't test all the z/900 workloads on the z/990 (TSO), and they introduced new workloads (WebSphere) on the z/990 that they never ran on the z/900. How do you calibrate? And, PCR tells you what you can expect when you move WebSphere up (or even TSO)! How do they know? The algorithms may be valid; the input sure isn't! 3. With the introduction of Marketting MSUs, how are we going to be able to manage our bills easily? It was bad enough when we had to manage billing table for ISV's! Now, depending on the age of the box, we now have multiple tables for IBM. No wonder mainframe cost management is giving the plaform a bad name/perception! - -teD O-KAY! BLUE! JAYS! Let's PLAY! BALL! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: MIPS (was: z8 ??)
In a message dated 4/17/2006 5:37:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It was bad enough when we had to manage billing table for ISV's! Now, depending on the age of the box, we now have multiple tables for IBM. No wonder mainframe cost management is giving the plaform a bad name/perception! Shoot our new Financial's suddenly blossomed $900K(slipped in the ERP budget), another SPARC, and by the way you have to convert your 3 yr old data warehouse project to be compatibleand probably need a couple more DBA's for good measure-your's are too old and probably won't see the end of the project!!! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z8 ???
On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:57:49 +0200, Phil Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] RESEARCH.FREESERVE.CO.UK wrote: You might want to revisit the site. -- Which site ??? About the z900 withdrawal letter or something about the z8 ??? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:00:12 -0500, Dave Kopischke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:57:49 +0200, Phil Payne [EMAIL PROTECTED] RESEARCH.FREESERVE.CO.UK wrote: You might want to revisit the site. -- Which site ??? About the z900 withdrawal letter or something about the z8 ??? Never mind, I found your z9BC information. But... I see all the model numbers listed and a generic from MIPS to MIPS statement, but what is the MIPS or MSUs of the particular models ??? How granular is the step ??? What else have you got ??? If I review the z9EC's features, might that be real similar to what's offered on the z9BC's ??? Thanks -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z8 ???
what is the MIPS or MSUs of the particular models ??? MIPS are whatever you want them to be! I wrote an article, admittedly for an IBM publication, and it was only 900 words, so I only scratched the surface. But, MIPS are: Workload Dependent Processor option dependent Micro-code patch level dependent z/OS release dependent. There is NO one number for any given processor! Even though management wants that. Now, that being said, the MSU rating slapped on a processor model is IBM's attempt at setting a single number on one. And, they have botched it with the discounting of MSU's over the last couple years. Just as they've botched every billing model since they introduced tiered billing in 1984. I bitched then; I bitch now! How granular is the step ??? Each engine added is a step. That's the granularity. - -teD O-KAY! BLUE! JAYS! Let's PLAY! BALL! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Broken URLs (was: Re: z8 ???)
In a recent note, Chris Mason said: Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 18:54:47 +0200 In order to try and avoid this in the URLs I post, I put them on a separate line or insert them in brackets with a space either side. There may be a better way, of course. There is a convention followed by some MUAs and mentioned in RFC 1738 (but not defined there -- does anyone know the origin?) of using '' and '' to delimit broken URLS to be rejoined by the MUA. E.g.: http://www.uga.edu/~srel/eco view1-29-06.htm Shmuel appears to follow this on the provider side; LISTSERV appears not to follow it on the consumer side. See, e.g. the wrapped but broken URL in: Linkname: Re: COBOL2 Issues URL: http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0604L=ibm-mainD=1O=DP=45504 More to the point, though, is that RFC 821 requires MTAs to be able to process lines of 1000 characters or less intact. I consider any mail software that breaks lines shorter than that to be itself broken. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
z8 ???
Edward Jaffe wrote: Maybe it's just you. I know you would just love that to be true for some vicarious, bizzare reason of your own that I've never been able to fathom, but it isn't. How many analysts are still active in the mainframe world? Seen Cheryl lately? According to a presentation I attended last week by Terry Virnig (IBM), 4Q05 was IBM's highest mainframe quarter for revenue since 4Q98; I sit here with IBM's closure lists for three geographies for 1Q06 in front of me. I don't know what Terri's smoking, but then I never did. The z900 launch in a back room at the Palisades sticks in my mind, and probably in hers. Almost no net new software deals in the quarter. With respect to market momentum, she presented charts showing that, according to data obtained from IDC FY2005-Q3 Quarterly Server Tracker, IDC I'll tell you a story. Back in 1983, I was a CPU product manager for NAS Germany. We had 52 systems installed in Germany. Two of our major customers (AEG was the biggest) had financial nasties and asked us to help reduce their computing costs. So we did a consolidation exercise - replacing in each case a number of /158 equivalents with single larger machines. Our MIPS went up 5% - our installed base dropped by five machines. IDC sent us their annual form - it was a so-called shuttle document. They printed out what they thought you had, you corrected it and sent it back. No checks. I filled it out properly - which meant we showed a reduction in the number of machines installed. My CEO demanded I fill in x percent increase in the installed base, and I refused. (There are probably still NAS people around who can confirm this story - it got quite vocal pan-european at one point.) Anyway, I made my refusal permanent and was overridden by my CEO, who submitted a bunch of lies to IDC. Who then printed them. http://www.isham-research.co.uk/dd.html#statistics -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.co.uk +44 7833 654 800 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z8 ???
IFLs, zAAPs, etc., subject to the usual rule that the number of any type of speciality engines may not exceed the number of OS engines. That rule only applies to zAAPs and (according to the press release) zIIPs, not the other types of engines. Using a System z9-109 as an example, all of these configurations are valid: 0 CPs, 54 IFLs, 0 ICFs, 0 zAAPs, 0 zIIPs, 0 extra SAPs 8 CPs, 12 IFLs, 1 ICF, 8 zAAPs, 8 zIIPs, 1 extra SAP 2 CPs, 8 IFLs, 3 ICFs, 2 zAAPs, 2 zIIPs, 3 extra SAPs and so on. As you can see, you can double count the CPs for zAAP and zIIP purposes. In other words, the rules are: zAAPs = CPs zIIPs = CPs but these rules are independent of one another. On the z890 (where zAAPs are relevant) a subcapacity CP counts. For example, you can configure a z890 Model 210 (a model with two CPs running at slowest possible speed) with two full zAAPs. (The zAAPs always run at maximum hardware speed, as with the other speciality engine types.) The z890 has extra interesting and attractive Java economics, to say the least. - - - - - Timothy F. Sipples Consulting Enterprise Software Architect, z9/zSeries IBM Japan, Ltd. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
z8 ???
Greetings again, We're in another cycle of hardware upgrades. It seems our z800 tapped out after a frenzy of migrations from tape to DASD in order to prepare for a lights-out type of operation while the bird flu pandemonium was in full swing. Enough of the history... Now that we're looking for a new machine, does anyone out there with their finger on the pulse of IBM know anything about a possible date for a z8 size processor ??? IBM did it with the z900 and then the z990, now I'm predicting they'll follow the z9 with a z8. The timing is the problem for me. I'm trying to hold off a z890 purchase so our hardware doesn't go obsolete during shipment. Any crystal balls in the audience ??? Thanks, Dave K. -- This e-mail transmission may contain information that is proprietary, privileged and/or confidential and is intended exclusively for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, copying, retention or disclosure by any person other than the intended recipient or the intended recipient's designees is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or their designee, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. OppenheimerFunds may, at its sole discretion, monitor, review, retain and/or disclose the content of all email communications. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z8 ???
My unconfirmed source says in the next month or so... snip Any crystal balls in the audience ??? /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z8 ???
DITTO Isaac Yassin -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Staller, Allan Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z8 ??? My unconfirmed source says in the next month or so... snip Any crystal balls in the audience ??? /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z8 ???
Consider sub capacity pricing. Buy a bigger box than you need, pay for what you use. Your bill grows (or shrinks) right along with your load. Pluses include letting you pull large usage spikes without penalty. Minuses include watching for and managing runaway tasks. HTH and good luck. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kopischke, David G. Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: z8 ??? Greetings again, We're in another cycle of hardware upgrades. It seems our z800 tapped out after a frenzy of migrations from tape to DASD in order to prepare for a lights-out type of operation while the bird flu pandemonium was in full swing. Enough of the history... Now that we're looking for a new machine, does anyone out there with their finger on the pulse of IBM know anything about a possible date for a z8 size processor ??? IBM did it with the z900 and then the z990, now I'm predicting they'll follow the z9 with a z8. The timing is the problem for me. I'm trying to hold off a z890 purchase so our hardware doesn't go obsolete during shipment. Any crystal balls in the audience ??? Thanks, Dave K. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z8 ???
Ditto, but with the caveat (rumored caveat that is) that the z8 boxes won't go as small as the z890 boxes. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kopischke, David G. Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:54 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: z8 ??? Greetings again, We're in another cycle of hardware upgrades. It seems our z800 tapped out after a frenzy of migrations from tape to DASD in order to prepare for a lights-out type of operation while the bird flu pandemonium was in full swing. Enough of the history... Now that we're looking for a new machine, does anyone out there with their finger on the pulse of IBM know anything about a possible date for a z8 size processor ??? IBM did it with the z900 and then the z990, now I'm predicting they'll follow the z9 with a z8. The timing is the problem for me. I'm trying to hold off a z890 purchase so our hardware doesn't go obsolete during shipment. Any crystal balls in the audience ??? Thanks, Dave K. -- This e-mail transmission may contain information that is proprietary, privileged and/or confidential and is intended exclusively for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, copying, retention or disclosure by any person other than the intended recipient or the intended recipient's designees is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or their designee, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. OppenheimerFunds may, at its sole discretion, monitor, review, retain and/or disclose the content of all email communications. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z8 ???
The timing is the problem for me. I'm trying to hold off a z890 purchase so our hardware doesn't go obsolete during shipment. They've just (today) announced obsolessence of the z/900 (sales - June; upgrades - October). And, the z9 is upgradable from the z/990. So, I wouldn't worry for awhile. If you need it, get it. If you can, wait. - -teD I’m an enthusiastic proselytiser of the universal panacea I believe in! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z8 ???
Do you have a link to the letter? Dennis Roach United Space Alliance 600 Gemini Avenue Mail Code USH-4A3L Houston, Texas 77058 Voice: (281) 282-2975 Page:(713) 736-8275 Fax: (281) 282-3583 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] All opinions expressed by me are mine and may not agree with my employer or any person, company, or thing, living or dead, on or near this or any other planet, moon, asteroid, or other spatial object, natural or manufactured, since the beginning of time. They've just (today) announced obsolessence of the z/900 (sales - June; upgrades - October). And, the z9 is upgradable from the z/990. So, I wouldn't worry for awhile. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
z8 ???
According the unsolicited emails I have had the brazen temerity to open without the written permission of IBM's lawyers, we might expect a new system around 25 April. There have been suggestions of a single-book system with 12 PUs - 8 of them characterisable. Up to four for operating system use, the other four must be IFLs, zAAPs, etc., subject to the usual rule that the number of any type of speciality engines may not exceed the number of OS engines. Oddly - not a word about performance options - kneecap levels, etc. Nothing. Zip. My guess would be z900 levels with some degrades. One suspicion is that the potential degrades (such as the z890 f/c 6110) have been held undefined in case IBM decides to move with its own emulation. But that is pure speculation on my part. -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.co.uk +44 7833 654 800 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z8 ???
Ted MacNEIL wrote: The timing is the problem for me. I'm trying to hold off a z890 purchase so our hardware doesn't go obsolete during shipment. They've just (today) announced obsolessence of the z/900 (sales - June; upgrades - October). IMHO the announcement is quite irrelevant. Reason: pricing policy of IBM. z9's are priced aggresively, while z/990 are significantly more expensive, and z/900's are even more. Of course there is second hand market, and the prices are ordered in opposite order - z/900's are really cheap. And, the z9 is upgradable from the z/990. Technically no. Marketingally - everything is possible. I have seen upgrade RVA-ESS (it was called UPGRADE), or even ...mouse upgrade (yes, pointing device). From the other hand - few years ago I did an upgrade from RA4 to R16. It was *technical* upgrade - we had to move most of the guts from one cabinet to another. A lot of screws, cables, fortunately detailed instruction (MES) was in place. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z8 ???
IMHO the announcement is quite irrelevant. The OP was concerned about his equipment going obsolete. I was trying to point out that it's not a great concern. Also, you'll find that in North America, obsolete equipment/software is relevant. There's a different economic dynamic, in most cases. As a matter of fact, one of the reasons I was hired was to lead projects to get the company off of obsolete 'stuff'. So, in Europe, I believe you don't turn around equipment and software as quickly as we do. - -teD I’m an enthusiastic proselytiser of the universal panacea I believe in! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
basic z8 and z9 configurations
As far as the z8 is concerned, you're going to have to wait until IBM announces it. Have you tried Hesh Wiener ( http://www.tech-news.com ) for pricing? -- Phil Payne http://www.isham-research.co.uk +44 7833 654 800 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
