DS8870 - RAID 5 issue
Dear All, We are under the process of migrating to DS8870 from DS8810. While I create new Ranks with Array capacity of 2400GB(8*300GB), I get around 1652GB of usable storage while rest will go for Parity and Spare. We use SSD disks and I used Ranks to pick RAID5 which automatically picked RAID 5 (6+P+S) and thus causing loss of 750 GB of storage. We need RAID 5 (7+S) for 'Development' LPAR's to increase the usable storage but DS8000 GUI is not allowing me chose RAID 5 (7+S) combination. Can you please advice how to make Ranks pick RAID 5 (7+S) combination.? Regards, Raju -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
DS8870 - Ranks - RAID issue
Hi All, We are under the process of migrating to DS8870 from DS8810. While I create new Ranks with Array capacity of 2400GB(8*300GB), I get around 1652GB of usable storage while rest will go for Parity and Spare. We use SSD disks and I used Ranks to pick RAID5 which automatically picked RAID 5 (6+P+S) and thus causing loss of 750 GB of storage. We need RAID 5 (7+S) for 'Development' LPAR's to increase the usable storage but DS8000 GUI is not allowing me chose RAID 5 (7+S) combination. Can you please advice how to make Ranks pick RAID 5 (7+S) combination.? Regards, Raju -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Defined capacity
Maybe he's just pointing out that IRD Weight Management and Softcapping are two separate concepts/knobs/dials. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Jan Vanbrabant vanbrabant...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu, Date: 02/15/2013 06:17 AM Subject:Re: Defined capacity Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu I second Dave's question, Kees. jan On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Dave Barry dba...@ups.com wrote: Kees, I'd like to know more about the lack of cooperation between weight management and softcapping. Can you enlighten us? Much obliged, db -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Vernooij, CP - SPLXM Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 8:59 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Defined capacity Radoswaw, One to the manuals has a chapter IRD, I think you will find there that the WLM checkbox triggers IRDs weight management. From my experience: forget IRD on modern machines. CPU management is disabled by Hiperdispatch and weight management and softcapping do not cooperate. Kees. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: DASDCALC
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:46:56 -0500, Dazzo, Matt mda...@pch.com wrote: So my Win XP work station machine is gone, not my choice. So I am looking for a replacement tool for the indispensable DASDCALC tool distributed my Central coast software. I use this tool regularly and it makes my life very easy. I cannot seem to get it working on Windows 7 although I read some others have. Of course I could use the good old fashion calculator as a means to survive but that seems too old fashioned. Has anyone found a replacement tool or can u provide some tips on how you got it working on Win 7. In https://listserv.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=indL=IBM-MAIND=0I=-3X=7114515AAB204349FAY=jan.moeyersons%40gfi.bed=No+Match%3BMatch%3BMatchesP=143819 I explained that by simply copying the DASDCALC installed directory from your old XP to your new Win7 machine, it just works. I was not able to make the install procedure work, but in the end, I did not need it. Cheers, Jantje. P.S. A search in the archives would have brought up the solution... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: DS8870 - Ranks - RAID issue
We need to achieve RAID 5 (7+P) combination. I tried too google and read many documents.. but no use. Any suggestions please.? Regards, Raju On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Raju Reddy rajunjmainfra...@gmail.comwrote: Hi All, We are under the process of migrating to DS8870 from DS8810. While I create new Ranks with Array capacity of 2400GB(8*300GB), I get around 1652GB of usable storage while rest will go for Parity and Spare. We use SSD disks and I used Ranks to pick RAID5 which automatically picked RAID 5 (6+P+S) and thus causing loss of 750 GB of storage. We need RAID 5 (7+S) for 'Development' LPAR's to increase the usable storage but DS8000 GUI is not allowing me chose RAID 5 (7+S) combination. Can you please advice how to make Ranks pick RAID 5 (7+S) combination.? Regards, Raju -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ‘’MVS overhead’’ (as indicated by OMEGAMON)
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 22:28:16 +0100, Jan Vanbrabant wrote: This system has bad P/Is, for example one Service Class has a P/I=18.5 while there are no bottlenecks at all with the resources, while being idle for 96,9%. I would take this as a clue. When a service class has goals that are too high, WLM will try to achieve those goals. If they are impossible to attain, the work done to try to achieve them is wasted. You say that the performance is acceptable. I would start by changing the goals so that they can be met more easily. Poor WLM definitions? (The performance is n't bad finally.) Yes. If objectives can not be met, you are making WLM work too hard. It is easy to change the goals and see what happens. If you don't like the results, you can change them again. IBM-MAIN is probably not the most appropriate listserver or forum to post this OMEGAMON-based question at the origin? Is there a better place at your knowledge? This is a good place to discuss this kind of issue. I don't know a better place. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: DS8870 - RAID 5 issue
Raju, http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg248085.html?Open Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 15, 2013, at 3:26 AM, Raju Reddy rajunjmainfra...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, We are under the process of migrating to DS8870 from DS8810. While I create new Ranks with Array capacity of 2400GB(8*300GB), I get around 1652GB of usable storage while rest will go for Parity and Spare. We use SSD disks and I used Ranks to pick RAID5 which automatically picked RAID 5 (6+P+S) and thus causing loss of 750 GB of storage. We need RAID 5 (7+S) for 'Development' LPAR's to increase the usable storage but DS8000 GUI is not allowing me chose RAID 5 (7+S) combination. Can you please advice how to make Ranks pick RAID 5 (7+S) combination.? Regards, Raju -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: DS8870 - RAID 5 issue
Scott, Thanks for that.. I have the Redbook handy and followed the same procedure. But there it is mentioned how to use RAID 5 (7+P) combination. And also while creating Arrays, I dont see RAID 5 (7+P) but it automatically pick ups RAID 5 (6+P+S). Regards, Raju On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Raju, http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg248085.html?Open Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 15, 2013, at 3:26 AM, Raju Reddy rajunjmainfra...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, We are under the process of migrating to DS8870 from DS8810. While I create new Ranks with Array capacity of 2400GB(8*300GB), I get around 1652GB of usable storage while rest will go for Parity and Spare. We use SSD disks and I used Ranks to pick RAID5 which automatically picked RAID 5 (6+P+S) and thus causing loss of 750 GB of storage. We need RAID 5 (7+S) for 'Development' LPAR's to increase the usable storage but DS8000 GUI is not allowing me chose RAID 5 (7+S) combination. Can you please advice how to make Ranks pick RAID 5 (7+S) combination.? Regards, Raju -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: DS8870 - RAID 5 issue
Raju, What about your local IBMer or online via ETR Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 15, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Raju Reddy rajunjmainfra...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, Thanks for that.. I have the Redbook handy and followed the same procedure. But there it is mentioned how to use RAID 5 (7+P) combination. And also while creating Arrays, I dont see RAID 5 (7+P) but it automatically pick ups RAID 5 (6+P+S). Regards, Raju On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Raju, http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg248085.html?Open Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 15, 2013, at 3:26 AM, Raju Reddy rajunjmainfra...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, We are under the process of migrating to DS8870 from DS8810. While I create new Ranks with Array capacity of 2400GB(8*300GB), I get around 1652GB of usable storage while rest will go for Parity and Spare. We use SSD disks and I used Ranks to pick RAID5 which automatically picked RAID 5 (6+P+S) and thus causing loss of 750 GB of storage. We need RAID 5 (7+S) for 'Development' LPAR's to increase the usable storage but DS8000 GUI is not allowing me chose RAID 5 (7+S) combination. Can you please advice how to make Ranks pick RAID 5 (7+S) combination.? Regards, Raju -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: DS8870 - RAID 5 issue
Scott, I raised one PMR with IBM but they replied saying that should be raised in local HMC of the DS8k box. I support remotly. I need to ask someone at onsite to do it. But it will take really longer. Regards, Raju On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Raju, What about your local IBMer or online via ETR Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 15, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Raju Reddy rajunjmainfra...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, Thanks for that.. I have the Redbook handy and followed the same procedure. But there it is mentioned how to use RAID 5 (7+P) combination. And also while creating Arrays, I dont see RAID 5 (7+P) but it automatically pick ups RAID 5 (6+P+S). Regards, Raju On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Raju, http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg248085.html?Open Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 15, 2013, at 3:26 AM, Raju Reddy rajunjmainfra...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, We are under the process of migrating to DS8870 from DS8810. While I create new Ranks with Array capacity of 2400GB(8*300GB), I get around 1652GB of usable storage while rest will go for Parity and Spare. We use SSD disks and I used Ranks to pick RAID5 which automatically picked RAID 5 (6+P+S) and thus causing loss of 750 GB of storage. We need RAID 5 (7+S) for 'Development' LPAR's to increase the usable storage but DS8000 GUI is not allowing me chose RAID 5 (7+S) combination. Can you please advice how to make Ranks pick RAID 5 (7+S) combination.? Regards, Raju -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: DS8870 - RAID 5 issue
Raju, That almost sounds like microcode doing that a setting Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 15, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Raju, What about your local IBMer or online via ETR Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 15, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Raju Reddy rajunjmainfra...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, Thanks for that.. I have the Redbook handy and followed the same procedure. But there it is mentioned how to use RAID 5 (7+P) combination. And also while creating Arrays, I dont see RAID 5 (7+P) but it automatically pick ups RAID 5 (6+P+S). Regards, Raju On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Raju, http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg248085.html?Open Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 15, 2013, at 3:26 AM, Raju Reddy rajunjmainfra...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, We are under the process of migrating to DS8870 from DS8810. While I create new Ranks with Array capacity of 2400GB(8*300GB), I get around 1652GB of usable storage while rest will go for Parity and Spare. We use SSD disks and I used Ranks to pick RAID5 which automatically picked RAID 5 (6+P+S) and thus causing loss of 750 GB of storage. We need RAID 5 (7+S) for 'Development' LPAR's to increase the usable storage but DS8000 GUI is not allowing me chose RAID 5 (7+S) combination. Can you please advice how to make Ranks pick RAID 5 (7+S) combination.? Regards, Raju -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: DS8870 - RAID 5 issue
Raju, So you don't have a remote HMC..for it Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 15, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Raju Reddy rajunjmainfra...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, I raised one PMR with IBM but they replied saying that should be raised in local HMC of the DS8k box. I support remotly. I need to ask someone at onsite to do it. But it will take really longer. Regards, Raju On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Raju, What about your local IBMer or online via ETR Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 15, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Raju Reddy rajunjmainfra...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, Thanks for that.. I have the Redbook handy and followed the same procedure. But there it is mentioned how to use RAID 5 (7+P) combination. And also while creating Arrays, I dont see RAID 5 (7+P) but it automatically pick ups RAID 5 (6+P+S). Regards, Raju On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Raju, http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg248085.html?Open Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 15, 2013, at 3:26 AM, Raju Reddy rajunjmainfra...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, We are under the process of migrating to DS8870 from DS8810. While I create new Ranks with Array capacity of 2400GB(8*300GB), I get around 1652GB of usable storage while rest will go for Parity and Spare. We use SSD disks and I used Ranks to pick RAID5 which automatically picked RAID 5 (6+P+S) and thus causing loss of 750 GB of storage. We need RAID 5 (7+S) for 'Development' LPAR's to increase the usable storage but DS8000 GUI is not allowing me chose RAID 5 (7+S) combination. Can you please advice how to make Ranks pick RAID 5 (7+S) combination.? Regards, Raju -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: DS8870 - RAID 5 issue
Scott, No. I dont have a remote HMC but I have only GUI. Do you suspect it is do with Microcode setting.? Regards, Raju On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Raju, So you don't have a remote HMC..for it Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 15, 2013, at 9:07 AM, Raju Reddy rajunjmainfra...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, I raised one PMR with IBM but they replied saying that should be raised in local HMC of the DS8k box. I support remotly. I need to ask someone at onsite to do it. But it will take really longer. Regards, Raju On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Raju, What about your local IBMer or online via ETR Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 15, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Raju Reddy rajunjmainfra...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, Thanks for that.. I have the Redbook handy and followed the same procedure. But there it is mentioned how to use RAID 5 (7+P) combination. And also while creating Arrays, I dont see RAID 5 (7+P) but it automatically pick ups RAID 5 (6+P+S). Regards, Raju On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Raju, http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg248085.html?Open Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 15, 2013, at 3:26 AM, Raju Reddy rajunjmainfra...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, We are under the process of migrating to DS8870 from DS8810. While I create new Ranks with Array capacity of 2400GB(8*300GB), I get around 1652GB of usable storage while rest will go for Parity and Spare. We use SSD disks and I used Ranks to pick RAID5 which automatically picked RAID 5 (6+P+S) and thus causing loss of 750 GB of storage. We need RAID 5 (7+S) for 'Development' LPAR's to increase the usable storage but DS8000 GUI is not allowing me chose RAID 5 (7+S) combination. Can you please advice how to make Ranks pick RAID 5 (7+S) combination.? Regards, Raju -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: DS8870 - RAID 5 issue
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 13:48:03 +, Raju Reddy wrote: And also while creating Arrays, I dont see RAID 5 (7+P) but it automatically pick ups RAID 5 (6+P+S). Perhaps because you haven't yet met the requirements for spare drives? -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
What needs to be up for IKJEFT1B to execute?
We have some started tasks that execute a IKJEFT1B step at the end. These work fine during regular shutdowns of the started tasks. But when testing a new automated total shutdown procedure (meant to run prior to an IPL), the IKJEFT1B step hangs up. We think it must be waiting for something that has already been shut down, but can't figure out what. Kay Rozeboom Information Technology Enterprise Iowa Department of Administrative Services Telephone: 515.281.6139 Fax: 515.281.6137 Email: kay.rozeb...@iowa.gov -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: What needs to be up for IKJEFT1B to execute?
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:18:11 -0600, Rozeboom, Kay [DAS] wrote: ...when testing a new automated total shutdown procedure (meant to run prior to an IPL), the IKJEFT1B step hangs up. We think it must be waiting for something that has already been shut down, but can't figure out what. Are you trying to write to SYSOUT after JES is shut down? -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: DS8870 - RAID 5 issue
Raju, I believe section 4.6.9 in that Redbook describes what you're seeing: start quote When the arrays are created on a DS8870, the microcode determines which array sites contains spares. The first array sites on each DA pair that are assigned to arrays contribute one or two spares (depending on the RAID option) until the DA pair has access to at least four spares, with two spares placed on each loop. A minimum of one spare is created for each array site that is assigned to an array until the following conditions are met: There are a minimum of four spares per DA pair. There are a minimum of four spares for the largest capacity array site on the DA pair. There are a minimum of two spares of capacity and RPM greater than or equal to the fastest array site of any capacity on the DA pair. end quote So you might need to create some other arrays before you create the arrays where you don't want spares. Your local IBM storage engineer should be able to help you plan your configuration. Bart -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Raju Reddy Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 8:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: DS8870 - RAID 5 issue Scott, Thanks for that.. I have the Redbook handy and followed the same procedure. But there it is mentioned how to use RAID 5 (7+P) combination. And also while creating Arrays, I dont see RAID 5 (7+P) but it automatically pick ups RAID 5 (6+P+S). Regards, Raju On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 1:01 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Raju, http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg248085.html?Open Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 15, 2013, at 3:26 AM, Raju Reddy rajunjmainfra...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, We are under the process of migrating to DS8870 from DS8810. While I create new Ranks with Array capacity of 2400GB(8*300GB), I get around 1652GB of usable storage while rest will go for Parity and Spare. We use SSD disks and I used Ranks to pick RAID5 which automatically picked RAID 5 (6+P+S) and thus causing loss of 750 GB of storage. We need RAID 5 (7+S) for 'Development' LPAR's to increase the usable storage but DS8000 GUI is not allowing me chose RAID 5 (7+S) combination. Can you please advice how to make Ranks pick RAID 5 (7+S) combination.? Regards, Raju -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
JES Extended Status (SSI 80)
Hello, With JES2 on Z/OS 1.13 this works when I specify STATTERS or STATOUTT, but for STATVRBO, STATOUTV and STATDLST I get a SSOBRETN of X'0C' and a STATREAS of X'00'. For all the requests I'm setting statsjb1, statshld, statsnhl, statsshl and statssnh; statjbil and statjbih contain the same job number. Any idea why the verbose requests are failing? Thanks Steve This e-mail message has been scanned and cleared by Postini / Google Message Security and the UNICOM Global security systems. This message is for the named person's use only. If you receive this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: What needs to be up for IKJEFT1B to execute?
It does hang before writing to SYSOUT, but JES is still up at that point. Kay Rozeboom Information Technology Enterprise Iowa Department of Administrative Services Telephone: 515.281.6139 Fax: 515.281.6137 Email: kay.rozeb...@iowa.gov -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 9:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: What needs to be up for IKJEFT1B to execute? On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:18:11 -0600, Rozeboom, Kay [DAS] wrote: ...when testing a new automated total shutdown procedure (meant to run prior to an IPL), the IKJEFT1B step hangs up. We think it must be waiting for something that has already been shut down, but can't figure out what. Are you trying to write to SYSOUT after JES is shut down? -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Defined capacity
The initial capping checkbox on the HMC is the original (back to the 3090?) PR/SM Hard Capping control. HardCapped LPARs do not work with Defined Capacity or LPAR Group Capacity Limits. Al Sherkow, I/S Management Strategies, Ltd. Consulting Expertise on IBM Workload License Charges (WLC), LPARs and LCS Software Seminars on IBM Mainframe Software Pricing +1 414 332-3062 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: DS8870 - RAID 5 issue
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:01:45 -0500, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Raju, http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg248085.html?Open Scott ford www.identityforge.com It's good to see on DS8700's you can access the GUI directly with a browser instead of requiring that horrid TPC. I was supporting DS8100's remotely when 5.3.xx came out and removed that access. At the time it looked like a marketing ploy to sell more SSPC's with TPC. Dana -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: What needs to be up for IKJEFT1B to execute?
On Fri, 2013-02-15 at 09:27 -0600, Tom Marchant wrote: Are you trying to write to SYSOUT after JES is shut down? Only possible if they'd done $PJES2,ABEND - JES2 won't shut otherwise with active non-mstr STCs. I think that a write to SYSOUT is still possible with JES down, so long as you don't need to allocate a new track group. GRS ring disruption isn't a pretty thing (sigh, we're still on ring). I don't know how you quiesce a system properly on star, but it likely has to be the very last thing you do. Might look at that? -- David Andrews A. Duda Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all
On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 14:24:35 +0800, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com wrote: That said, if the command line is readily accessible from the graphical/Web interface, I don't see the problem. That's the rub, there isn't a readily accessable command line available, a real 5250 emulator session is still required. Dana -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: DS8870 - RAID 5 issue
Van Der, Thanks, Brilliant piece of infromation.. I wonder how did I miss that.. I got it now. and implementing the same. Dana, Yes.. No TCP/SSPC.. I am accessing DS8870 remotely with an IP address..!!! Cheers, Raju On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Dana Mitchell mitchd...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 08:01:45 -0500, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: Raju, http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg248085.html?Open Scott ford www.identityforge.com It's good to see on DS8700's you can access the GUI directly with a browser instead of requiring that horrid TPC. I was supporting DS8100's remotely when 5.3.xx came out and removed that access. At the time it looked like a marketing ploy to sell more SSPC's with TPC. Dana -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IGD17271I under ISPF but only sometimes
Thanks for the reply, but I'm not sure CBLQDA applies. I could be wrong, but there doesn't seem to be any LE or cobol involved here (at least I see no CEE eyecatchers in any of the vendor's modules). Also, if you mean I should add the FILEAID ddname to my logon proc, that would seem to defeat the purpose of dynamic allocation. I think that should be avoided, no? The dsn is generated on the fly. BTW... I forgot to mention we are zOS 1.13. (but this happened on zOS 1.11 as well) -Jim -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Defined capacity
IRD weight management and Defined Capacity work fine. The problem comes with IRD and LPAR Group Capacity Limits (introduced in z/OS 1.8). The problem is when an LPAR Group is capped IRD stops adjusting weights. This is rather unfortunate as this is the time when a customer would most want IRD to adjust the weights within the limits of the LPAR Group Limit. When a group of LPARs is capped the effect is the same as that group being out of capacity. That is there is more workload trying to run than the amount of capacity available. When this group cap is set some LPARs may be running low importance work consuming CPU time in the group. Simultaneously other LPARs may really be feeling the capacity stress and these may stop running importance 4, 5 and discretionary work. At this point is would be great if IRD would move capacity away from the low importance work in the group, to the LPARs that are impacting more important work. This is what IRD weight management would do. You can use both of these capabilities together, but you must understand that weight management stops, as it is at the time the group cap turns on. Al Sherkow, I/S Management Strategies, Ltd. Consulting Expertise on IBM Workload License Charges (WLC), LPARs and LCS Software Seminars on IBM Mainframe Software Pricing +1 414 332-3062 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: What needs to be up for IKJEFT1B to execute?
I would be surprised if IKJEFT1B has any requirements, but the TSO commands that you enter may. If you look at the TSO commands that you are trying to issue, that might give a clue. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Failed Disk Data Exposure
In the ESS F20 and 800, you select Raid 5. If your hardware installer hooks them up in the specified order, The First 16 8-packs of a particular disk size uses 6+P+S and the Next 32 8-packs use 7+P. If you ask for a Custom Install Order, You could have the first 12 8 packs hooked up to the first card. This would have the first 4 8-packs be 6+P+S and the next 8 be 7+S. Then repeat for the next 3 cards. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 6:11 AM, Raju Reddy rajunjmainfra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, We are under the process of migrating to DS8870 from DS8100. From DS8870 box, while I create new Arrays with Arraysite capacity of 2400GB(8*300GB), I get around 1652GB of usable storage while rest will go for Parity and Spare. We use SSD disks and when I create Arrays is picks RAID5 which automatically picked RAID 5 (6+P+S) and thus causing loss of 750 GB of storage. We need RAID 5 (7+P) for 'Development' LPAR's to increase the usable storage but DS8000 GUI is not allowing me chose RAID 5 (7+P) combination. Can you please advice how to make Arrays pick RAID 5 (7+P) combination.? Regards -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: What needs to be up for IKJEFT1B to execute?
Thanks, but I tried substituting different commands and got the same result. Kay Rozeboom Information Technology Enterprise Iowa Department of Administrative Services Telephone: 515.281.6139 Fax: 515.281.6137 Email: kay.rozeb...@iowa.gov -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 11:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: What needs to be up for IKJEFT1B to execute? I would be surprised if IKJEFT1B has any requirements, but the TSO commands that you enter may. If you look at the TSO commands that you are trying to issue, that might give a clue. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: What needs to be up for IKJEFT1B to execute?
What is the shutdown process? Is TSO down, is JES2 down, where does your process get shutdown with regards to the overall shutdown? Are these the last things to be shutdown? Provide some additional details on the IKJEFT1B and how it relates to the shutdown process Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tom Marchant Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 8:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: What needs to be up for IKJEFT1B to execute? On Fri, 15 Feb 2013 09:18:11 -0600, Rozeboom, Kay [DAS] wrote: ...when testing a new automated total shutdown procedure (meant to run prior to an IPL), the IKJEFT1B step hangs up. We think it must be waiting for something that has already been shut down, but can't figure out what. Are you trying to write to SYSOUT after JES is shut down? -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
SMS QUESTION - DATACLAS NOT DEFINED IN SMS ACS
G'Day, I am trying to debug a problem. The user is specifying a specific DATACLAS, however it is ignored. I checked the ACS for this DATACLAS but there is no FILTLIST etc. for it. There is however a CONSTRUCT. When I run the job the DATACLAS is respected. The LISTCAT shows the correct DATACLAS. My question is since there is no logic for this DATACLAS in the ACS routine does SMS look at the MC or SC? Also since there is no ACS for this DATACLAS shoudln't there be an error when the VALIDATE is run? Your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SMS QUESTION - DATACLAS NOT DEFINED IN SMS ACS
I would check the ACS routines. There might be something specific as to who(m) is allowed to assign a DATACLAS. I myself have several cases where the ACS routines will not assign a MGMTCLAS/DATACLAS/STORCLAS, and they must be assigned manually. These values are filtered in my ACS routines by a FILTLIST with only selected individuals. e.g. FILTLIST TRUSTED INCLUDE(uidlist) WHEN (USER = TRUSTED) (construct NE '') SET CONSTRUCT = CONSTRUCT) HTH, snip I am trying to debug a problem. The user is specifying a specific DATACLAS, however it is ignored. I checked the ACS for this DATACLAS but there is no FILTLIST etc. for it. There is however a CONSTRUCT. When I run the job the DATACLAS is respected. The LISTCAT shows the correct DATACLAS. My question is since there is no logic for this DATACLAS in the ACS routine does SMS look at the MC or SC? Also since there is no ACS for this DATACLAS shoudln't there be an error when the VALIDATE is run? /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all
This is also a great way to hide files from casual users: make the name unprintable characters and they do not see the file. Or make it read only on a writable disk: use lower case or unprintable characters in the name. Without a program it is difficult to overwrite, read, or delete the file. Been bit more than once. :-) Lloyd - Original Message From: Phil Smith p...@voltage.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wed, February 13, 2013 5:17:35 PM Subject: Re: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all (Oddly, the one quasi-counter-argument is CMS, where you have to work at it to create/use a file with lowercase in the fileid-but that's a different kettle of hamsters, since it's more a byproduct of an historical mistake than a deliberate feature, and not the same at all as *IX.) -- ...phsiii Phil Smith III -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: What needs to be up for IKJEFT1B to execute?
I tried substituting different commands and got the same result. What happens if you just issue the TIME command? What if there is no command issued? Are there any messages in SYSLOG? -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
FW: [Service Request Helpdesk #290267] 290267
Valued Readers, I never heard back on this and called IBM. For a long time every time I print my IBM service request the first two lines of the next page are ‘missing”. However where these two lines should be printing is a big black bar that does not show up when viewing the SR. The big black bar only shows up at the top of the document when you view it before printing. I turned off headers and trailers and that only got rid of the “Page 1 of” at the top and the “https” at the bottom. I think this has been this way for a while. Have a good weekend, Dave -Original Message- From: srhelpd...@us.ibm.com [mailto:srhelpd...@us.ibm.com] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 2:11 PM To: Hansen, Dave L - Eagan, MN Subject: [Service Request Helpdesk #290267] 290267 Hello, I apologize for the inconvenience. This issue was reported as a bug to our application development team. I do not have a scheduled resolution date at this time, however this issue currently being reviewed. Thank you, IBM SR Support Team On Fri Feb 15 10:22:25 2013, dave.l.han...@usps.gov wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:20 AM (EST), an IBM support customer submitted the following information via the Customer Assistance page from IP address 9.57.56.253: Topic: sr Subject: Print lines missing Description: When printing multiple pages of an SR the top lines of the next page are not printed in a visible area. They are over printed with the big black bar that is at the top of the first page. The user group did not respond when asked if others had this problem. Other users here have the problem. But only with SRs. Thank you, Dave Web page URL: https://www-946.ibm.com/sr/help/sr_helpdesk.html The customer's information is: - Name: Mr. Dave Hansen - Company: USPS -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: DASDCALC
Hi Matt, Win 7 32 or 64 bit? If 32 bit, you should be able to install DASDCALC using the Win7 compatibility mode. If you are usin Win7 64 bit, it might fail IF there are any addressability problems, but that will give you a message at (failed) install time. I have used this for lots of older PC software and it very often works. GIYF or the Micosoft site for full info. HTH, Linda Sent from my iPhone On Feb 14, 2013, at 7:46 AM, Dazzo, Matt mda...@pch.com wrote: So my Win XP work station machine is gone, not my choice. So I am looking for a replacement tool for the indispensable DASDCALC tool distributed my Central coast software. I use this tool regularly and it makes my life very easy. I cannot seem to get it working on Windows 7 although I read some others have. Of course I could use the good old fashion calculator as a means to survive but that seems too old fashioned. Has anyone found a replacement tool or can u provide some tips on how you got it working on Win 7. Thanks Matt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: What needs to be up for IKJEFT1B to execute?
After all our guesswork, I think it's time to take a console dump of the hung task. At worst take a standalone dump, which shouldn't be very big by that time. If you can't figure it out yourself (no shame there), then open an SR and send the dump to IBM. This situation should be APARable... . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: Tom Marchant m42tom-ibmm...@yahoo.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, Date: 02/15/2013 12:17 PM Subject:Re: What needs to be up for IKJEFT1B to execute? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU I tried substituting different commands and got the same result. What happens if you just issue the TIME command? What if there is no command issued? Are there any messages in SYSLOG? -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: What needs to be up for IKJEFT1B to execute?
I expect that your new automated shutdown procedure has issued a $P command. JES2 could is still be up, but JES2 processes required for your IKJEFT1B script have been drained. Don -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rozeboom, Kay [DAS] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 10:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: What needs to be up for IKJEFT1B to execute? We have some started tasks that execute a IKJEFT1B step at the end. These work fine during regular shutdowns of the started tasks. But when testing a new automated total shutdown procedure (meant to run prior to an IPL), the IKJEFT1B step hangs up. We think it must be waiting for something that has already been shut down, but can't figure out what. Kay Rozeboom Information Technology Enterprise Iowa Department of Administrative Services Telephone: 515.281.6139 Fax: 515.281.6137 Email: kay.rozeb...@iowa.gov -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Improve LLA/VLF usage
Hello All, I was looking into improving performance by placing load libraries that have a high quantity of fetches in LLA/VLF. I was thinking on using SMF type 14 records to find out the good candidates. Is that a good idea? Any other ideas on how I could find out the most used load libraries? Thank you! Leonardo Vaz -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all
p...@voltage.com (Phil Smith) writes: Indeed. I'd put it more strongly: Case sensitivity for *IX filesystems offers NO benefit that anyone has ever been able to articulate to me. If you ask a *IX person, they act like it's just obviously A Good Thing, but can never express why. And if you ask them if they've ever created /something/abc and /something/Abc or any of the other possible values, they say No. I think Windows got this one right. And a decade of asking for a counter-argument has failed to produce anything useful. (Oddly, the one quasi-counter-argument is CMS, where you have to work at it to create/use a file with lowercase in the fileid-but that's a different kettle of hamsters, since it's more a byproduct of an historical mistake than a deliberate feature, and not the same at all as *IX.) -- re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#43 Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#45 Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all note that some of the people from 7094/CTSS went to the science center on the 4th flr and did virtual machines ... initially cp40/cms on a 360/40 that had special hardware changes that implemented virtual memory ... it later morphs into cp67/cms ... when 360/67 with virtual memory standard comes available ... later morphs into vm370/cms. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/CMS other from 7094/CTSS go to the 5th flr and do MULTICS. Lore is some of the ATT people that had gone to work on MULTICS ... return and do simplified version as UNIX. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatible_Time-Sharing_System and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MULTICS from above: The design and features of Multics greatly influenced the Unix operating system, which was originally written by two ex-programmers from the older project, Ken Thompson and Dennis Ritchie. Superficial influence of Multics on Unix is evident in many areas, including the naming of commands (such as ls to list segments or files). But the internal design philosophy was quite different, focusing on keeping the system small and simple, and so correcting some deficiencies of Multics because of its high resource demands on the limited computer hardware of the time. The name Unix (originally Unics) is itself a pun on Multics. The U in Unix is rumored to stand for uniplexed as opposed to the multiplexed of Multics, further underscoring the designers' rejections of Multics' complexity in favor of a more straightforward and workable approach for smaller computers. (Garfinkel and Abelson [10] cite an alternative origin: Peter Neumann at Bell Labs, watching a demonstration of the prototype, suggested the name/pun UNICS (pronounced Eunuchs), as a castrated Multics.) ... snip ... I world periodically kid around with people on the 5th flr about the total number multics installations versus vm370/cms. i said that it wasn't fair to compare with the total number of vm370/cms installations or even the total number of internal corporate vm370/cms installations ... but one of my hobbies was producing production systems for internal datacenters ... and would just compare the number of vm370/cms systems I supported as larger than the total number of Multics systems. and as for ms/dos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-DOS before ms/dos there was seattle computer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Computer_Products and before seattle computer there was cp/m http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CP/M and before cp/m, kildall worked on cp67/cms at npg school (gone 404 but lives on at wayback machine) http://web.archive.org/web/20071011100440/http://www.khet.net/gmc/docs/museum/en_cpmName.html npg reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Postgraduate_School -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Improve LLA/VLF usage
However you finally select candidates, be aware of some behavior changes that *other* folks in your shop may find disturbing. Not to mention *yourself* later on down the road. A library managed by LLA will not show updated contents until after an LLA REFRESH. For example, if you update a member via IEBCOPY, you will continue to observe the old data via Browse. If you add a net new member, you will get 'not found' when trying to browse or get attributes for that specific member by name. You will see the member when you display the entire member list but get 'not found' when trying to select the specific member. In other words, give some thought to whether a smidgeon of performance improvement here and there is worth the larger hassle in managing library contents. We've resisted the urge to include new libraries in LLA/VLF for that reason. The more people in your shop who might need to manage these libraries, the wider and deeper the confusion factor. Just sayin'. . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com From: Leonardo Vaz leonardo@cn.ca To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, Date: 02/15/2013 01:13 PM Subject:Improve LLA/VLF usage Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Hello All, I was looking into improving performance by placing load libraries that have a high quantity of fetches in LLA/VLF. I was thinking on using SMF type 14 records to find out the good candidates. Is that a good idea? Any other ideas on how I could find out the most used load libraries? Thank you! Leonardo Vaz -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: What needs to be up for IKJEFT1B to execute?
P.S. When that happened to me, I manually issued a $S and that freed things up. I expect that your new automated shutdown procedure has issued a $P command. JES2 could is still be up, but JES2 processes required for your IKJEFT1B script have been drained. Don -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Rozeboom, Kay [DAS] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 10:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: What needs to be up for IKJEFT1B to execute? We have some started tasks that execute a IKJEFT1B step at the end. These work fine during regular shutdowns of the started tasks. But when testing a new automated total shutdown procedure (meant to run prior to an IPL), the IKJEFT1B step hangs up. We think it must be waiting for something that has already been shut down, but can't figure out what. Kay Rozeboom Information Technology Enterprise Iowa Department of Administrative Services Telephone: 515.281.6139 Fax: 515.281.6137 Email: kay.rozeb...@iowa.gov -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Determining 3390 Model
We have an old TSO command call SPACE that gives a quick display of online DASD, tape, and some other stuff. It reports a DASD device as 3390-xx based on a table lookup using some data in the returned UCB. This command never reports a device as bigger than a Mod-9 even though the capacity may be several times that, e.g. Mod-27 or Mod-54 in common (though unofficial) parlance. It appears that nothing in the UCB indicates Mod-9, so the command may need to be modified to calculate a mythical model number based cylinder capacity, which SPACE does report accurately. Any advice? . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Determining 3390 Model
As I was once told : Use the Source, Luke! On Feb 15, 2013 5:13 PM, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com wrote: We have an old TSO command call SPACE that gives a quick display of online DASD, tape, and some other stuff. It reports a DASD device as 3390-xx based on a table lookup using some data in the returned UCB. This command never reports a device as bigger than a Mod-9 even though the capacity may be several times that, e.g. Mod-27 or Mod-54 in common (though unofficial) parlance. It appears that nothing in the UCB indicates Mod-9, so the command may need to be modified to calculate a mythical model number based cylinder capacity, which SPACE does report accurately. Any advice? . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Determining 3390 Model
Divide the Cylinder count by 1113. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com wrote: We have an old TSO command call SPACE that gives a quick display of online DASD, tape, and some other stuff. It reports a DASD device as 3390-xx based on a table lookup using some data in the returned UCB. This command never reports a device as bigger than a Mod-9 even though the capacity may be several times that, e.g. Mod-27 or Mod-54 in common (though unofficial) parlance. It appears that nothing in the UCB indicates Mod-9, so the command may need to be modified to calculate a mythical model number based cylinder capacity, which SPACE does report accurately. Any advice? JO.Skip Robinson -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Determining 3390 Model
On 2/15/2013 3:47 PM, Mike Schwab wrote: Divide the Cylinder count by 1113. And be prepared to handle greater than two-digit model numbers. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Determining 3390 Model
Skip, I tried to get an APAR on this years ago. They said that QD gave the cyl# and that was all the data you should need. Any thing larger than a Mod 1 is listed as Mod 3 if not larger than a 3 Any thing larger than a Mod 3 is listed as Mod 9. Some samples from my volumes: This is a Mod 56 in size (reported as a 9) DS P,2913 IEE459I 16.00.13 DEVSERV PATHS 875 UNIT DTYPE M CNT VOLSER CHPID=PATH STATUS RTYPE SSID CFW TC DFW PIN DC-STATE CCA DDC CYL CU-TYPE 02913,33909 ,A,011,DATAB2,10=+ 14=+ 2107 2900 Y YY. YY. N SIMPLEX 13 13 63441 2107 SYMBOL DEFINITIONS A = ALLOCATED + = PATH AVAILABLE DS QD,VOL=DATAB2 IEE459I 15.52.52 DEVSERV QDASD 677 UNIT VOLSER SCUTYPE DEVTYPE CYL SSID SCU-SERIAL DEV-SERIAL EFC 02913 DATAB2 2107921 2107900 63441 2900 0175-AHYR1 0175-AHYR1 *OK 1 DEVICE(S) MET THE SELECTION CRITERIA 0 DEVICE(S) FAILED EXTENDED FUNCTION CHECKING --A mod 6 (reported as a 9) DS P,2617 IEE459I 15.59.36 DEVSERV PATHS 740 UNIT DTYPE M CNT VOLSER CHPID=PATH STATUS RTYPE SSID CFW TC DFW PIN DC-STATE CCA DDC CYL CU-TYP 02617,33909 ,A,057,ESAL97,10=+ 14=+ 2107 2600 Y YY. YY. N SIMPLEX 17 17 6678 2107 SYMBOL DEFINITIONS A = ALLOCATED + = PATH AVAILABLE DS QD,VOL=ESAL97 IEE459I 15.53.47 DEVSERV QDASD 698 UNIT VOLSER SCUTYPE DEVTYPE CYL SSID SCU-SERIAL DEV-SERIAL EFC 02617 ESAL97 2107921 2107900 6678 2600 0175-AHYR1 0175-AHYR1 *OK 1 DEVICE(S) MET THE SELECTION CRITERIA 0 DEVICE(S) FAILED EXTENDED FUNCTION CHECKING - Mod 3 (reported as a 3) DS P,201F IEE459I 15.58.22 DEVSERV PATHS 737 UNIT DTYPE M CNT VOLSER CHPID=PATH STATUS RTYPE SSID CFW TC DFW PIN DC-STATE CCA DDC CYL CU-TYPE 0201F,33903 ,A,000,PAGE01,10=+ 14=+ 2107 2000 Y YY. YY. N SIMPLEX 1F 1F 1113 2107 SYMBOL DEFINITIONS A = ALLOCATED + = PATH AVAILABLE DS QD,VOL=PAGE01 IEE459I 15.54.29 DEVSERV QDASD 702 UNIT VOLSER SCUTYPE DEVTYPE CYL SSID SCU-SERIAL DEV-SERIAL EFC 0201F PAGE01 2107921 2107900 1113 2000 0175-AHYR1 0175-AHYR1 *OK 1 DEVICE(S) MET THE SELECTION CRITERIA 0 DEVICE(S) FAILED EXTENDED FUNCTION CHECKING Mod 2 (reported as 3) DS P,281F IEE459I 16.12.04 DEVSERV PATHS 315 UNIT DTYPE M CNT VOLSER CHPID=PATH STATUS RTYPE SSID CFW TC DFW PIN DC-STATE CCA DDC CYL CU-TYPE 0281F,33903 ,O,000,KMFCL2,10=+ 14=+ 2107 2800 Y YY. YY. N SIMPLEX 1F 1F 2226 2107 SYMBOL DEFINITIONS O = ONLINE + = PATH AVAILABLE +GSVX014I SYJDM02 entered command MVS ds qd,vol=KMFCL2 DS QD,VOL=KMFCL2 IEE459I 16.12.27 DEVSERV QDASD 318 UNIT VOLSER SCUTYPE DEVTYPE CYL SSID SCU-SERIAL DEV-SERIAL EFC 0281F KMFCL2 2107921 2107900 2226 2800 0175-AHYR1 0175-AHYR1 *OK 1 DEVICE(S) MET THE SELECTION CRITERIA 0 DEVICE(S) FAILED EXTENDED FUNCTION CHECKING Dale McCart Senior Systems Programmer / zSeries, z/OS Kawasaki Motors Corp., U.S.A. 9950 Jeronimo Rd. Irvine, California 92618-2084 Telephone: (949) 770-0400 extension 2316 Fax: (949) 460-5576 E-mail: dale.mcc...@kmc-usa.com Visit our website at http://www.kawasaki.com From: Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU, Date: 02/15/2013 03:13 PM Subject:Determining 3390 Model Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU We have an old TSO command call SPACE that gives a quick display of online DASD, tape, and some other stuff. It reports a DASD device as 3390-xx based on a table lookup using some data in the returned UCB. This command never reports a device as bigger than a Mod-9 even though the capacity may be several times that, e.g. Mod-27 or Mod-54 in common (though unofficial) parlance. It appears that nothing in the UCB indicates Mod-9, so the command may need to be modified to calculate a mythical model number based cylinder capacity, which SPACE does report accurately. Any advice? . . JO.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 626-302-7535 Office 323-715-0595 Mobile jo.skip.robin...@sce.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send
Re: Determining 3390 Model
50,000 tracks = Mod 3 150,000 tracks = Mod 9 Figure out the rest from there. Doug On 2/15/2013 6:47 PM, Mike Schwab wrote: Divide the Cylinder count by 1113. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com wrote: We have an old TSO command call SPACE that gives a quick display of online DASD, tape, and some other stuff. It reports a DASD device as 3390-xx based on a table lookup using some data in the returned UCB. This command never reports a device as bigger than a Mod-9 even though the capacity may be several times that, e.g. Mod-27 or Mod-54 in common (though unofficial) parlance. It appears that nothing in the UCB indicates Mod-9, so the command may need to be modified to calculate a mythical model number based cylinder capacity, which SPACE does report accurately. Any advice? JO.Skip Robinson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Determining 3390 Model
Sure you don't need more than 3 digits? 64K Cyl * 16 EAV multiplier = 1048576 / 1113 = 942 M1s. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: On 2/15/2013 3:47 PM, Mike Schwab wrote: Divide the Cylinder count by 1113. And be prepared to handle greater than two-digit model numbers. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
STARTOOL FDM 7.7.1
We have a problem with STARTOOL FDM V 7.7.1 automatically producing IAMLISTC output when the data set being accessed is in IAM (Innovation) format. This did not happen with V 7.7.0. Are there any users of STARTOOL FDM out there that I could perhaps contact offline? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Determining 3390 Model
On 2/15/2013 4:19 PM, Dale McCart wrote: Any thing larger than a Mod 1 is listed as Mod 3 if not larger than a 3 Any thing larger than a Mod 3 is listed as Mod 9. Not true. If not Mod1, Mod2, Mod3 or Mod9, it is reported as ModA. This is true for both DS8xxx HMC and z/OS displays. DS P,8339 IEE459I 17.08.42 DEVSERV PATHS 648 UNIT DTYPE M CNT VOLSER CHPID=PATH STATUS RTYPE SSID CFW TC DFW PIN DC-STATE CCA DDC CYL CU-TYPE 08339,3390A ,A,041,MVSEV0,12=+ 2E=+ 2107 8003 Y YY. YY. N SIMPLEX 39 39262668 2107 SYMBOL DEFINITIONS A = ALLOCATED + = PATH AVAILABLE Note this volume is listed as 3390A aka ModA. (Mod9 would be listed as 33909.) Since the volume has 262,668 cylinders, it would be listed as Mod236 using the technique suggested earlier in this thread. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all
On Wednesday 13 February 2013 16:17:28 Phil Smith wrote: R.S. wrote: BTW: My argument against Unix behavior: I cannot distinguish MyFiLE and MYfiLe during phone call. Even spelling is simpler for M-y-f-I-L-e than for Upper M - Upper Y Indeed. I'd put it more strongly: Case sensitivity for *IX filesystems offers NO benefit that anyone has ever been able to articulate to me. If you ask a *IX person, they act like it's just obviously A Good Thing, but can never express why. And if you ask them if they've ever created /something/abc and /something/Abc or any of the other possible values, they say No. I think Windows got this one right. And a decade of asking for a counter-argument has failed to produce anything useful. Not just Windows; my old AmigaOS machines, the TI99/4 and (I think) Atari and Apple machines all allowed creation of mixed-case names and treated them as case-insensitive afterwards. It seems that only the *nix wannabes insist on case-sensitive names. The distinction is occasionally useful, mostly for files that are not intended to be accessed directly by users. (Oddly, the one quasi-counter-argument is CMS, where you have to work at it to create/use a file with lowercase in the fileid-but that's a different kettle of hamsters, since it's more a byproduct of an historical mistake than a deliberate feature, and not the same at all as *IX.) -- Not so much a mistake as short-sightedness; before 3270s were available, keypunches could only do upper-case (without jumping through hoops), so mixed-case names were probably considered unneccessary. I also remember when, in CICS, one wanted to use mixed-case or alternate code-pages, additional reads of the data stream were required because CICS, in its wisdom, folded everything to upper-case before presenting it to the application. Leslie -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all
jlturr...@centurytel.net (Leslie Turriff) writes: Not so much a mistake as short-sightedness; before 3270s were available, keypunches could only do upper-case (without jumping through hoops), so mixed-case names were probably considered unneccessary. I also remember when, in CICS, one wanted to use mixed-case or alternate code-pages, additional reads of the data stream were required because CICS, in its wisdom, folded everything to upper-case before presenting it to the application. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#43 Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#45 Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2013b.html#51 Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all 7094/ctss, cp40/cms, cp67/cms, etc were online, interactive system with 1052s, 2741s terminals (not card/keypunch batch systems) ... which were upper/lower case selectric typewriters with computer interface. http://www.multicians.org/thvv/7094.html from above: By 1963, CTSS provided remote terminal service to dial-up terminals connected by modem to a specialized telecommunications computer, the IBM 7750. Model 35 Teletypes were used at first, followed by IBM 1050 terminals and IBM 2741s. The 7750 and the IBM Selectric terminals were designed for other uses, such as stock trading and airline reservations, and CTSS adapted to the design of these devices. CTSS did specify that certain RPQs had to be added to the 2741, so that its keyboard would not lock up after every line, and also required that remote terminals on CTSS have a terminal ID that would be sent at dialup time. CTSS users would look at the output of Noel Morris's who command to see where their friends and colleagues were connecting to the system from. Terminal access for Teletype terminals was at 110 baud. The 1050 and 2741 terminals could support 134.5 baud. All of these devices were supported over dial-up modems, accessed via a private phone exchange at MIT. ... snip ... i had 2741 terminal at home from mar1970 to summer 1977 ... when i switch to 300baud cdi miniterm. cp67/cms delivered to univ. jan1968 had 1052 2741 terminal support. univ. had some tty terminals ... and i added the tty terminal support. http://www.multicians.org/thvv/360-67.html i had done hack with one byte arithmetic line-length limited to less than 256. above mentions Tom changing configuration to specify (i think ascii plotter device down at harvard) max line length of 1200 chars ... but didn't fix the instructions using one byte cms script (done mid-60s port of ctss runoff) was documentation preparation ... was extensive upper/lower case. one of the early major ibm documents moved to cms script was principles of operation. The full documentation was the architecture redbook (for distribution in red 3ring binders). cms script command line operation would produce the full redbook or the principles of operation subset (i.e. full redbook had lots of extra detail in each section and every instruction description). then gml was invented at the science center 1969 (g, m, l chosen for the first letters of the last names of the inventors) ... and gml tag processing added to cms script. some past posts http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#sgml decade later, gml morphs into iso standard sgml. another decade, sgml morphs into html at cern ... http://infomesh.net/html/history/early coming full circle ... first webserver in us (outside europe) was on the vm370/cms system at slac http://www.slac.stanford.edu/history/earlyweb/history.shtml -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Article for the boss: COBOL will outlive us all
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:44:26 -0600, Dana Mitchell wrote: I've been reading the same theory as it applied to us Systems Programmers the last few years. Mass retirement making the remaining sysprogs highly sought after and compensated. Well, I've personally seen lots of retirements, but due to the combination of outsourcing, business acquisitions, do-more-with-less etc, I haven't seen demand locally rising sharply yet. Indeed. In this part of the world the whole business has gone to hell in a hand-basket. It seems the prophesy (for us) become self-defeating; no-one who has a sysprog job is game to make noises about moving. Nowhere else to go, so sit tight till they are prised out. Hopefully with a package to ease the angst. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
