Re: websphere-liberty question

2018-09-25 Thread David Crayford
If you have purchased CICS you get CICS WLP. Same for IMS and WAS. There 
is no free WLP. IBM don't give away freebies on z/OS.


Also, only IBM signed code can run in z/OSMF.

Why do you ask? What are you trying to achieve?


On 25/09/2018 11:47 PM, scott Ford wrote:

Does anyone know when you order z/OS new or otherwise if Websphere and
CICS Liberty are optional costs or are they included.

Thanks in advance.

Scott



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Re: FTP slow after 2.3 upgrade

2018-09-25 Thread Brian Westerman
One that tends to happen with network groups that report to a different 
management than the Mainframe people is that they like to try to "replace" 
functionality that is already built-in to things on the mainframe like OSA, so 
they will add "smart" switches and routers that try to do things that conflict 
with what you OSA normally can handle internally between your LPARs, which 
tends to manifest itself as slow response time for some things.  

Since it's just FTP for you, then it's likely that they have implemented either 
some changed buffer sizes or (even worse) they may have left trace turned on 
for something.

There are some really good products that are really good to have on the 
mainframe, like service pilot, which allows you to trace what's happening from 
the inside of the mainframe outwards to the network.  The network people tend 
to have some really cool tools on their end, but the mainframe is a black box 
to them, which is the same way that their network looks to the mainframe, so 
having something on your side that can be used by them (and you) to monitor the 
throughput is a really good idea.

I think service pilot even has a "freeware" part that you can use for a while 
to see if you like it.  You might wnat to give it a try as you are in a 
situation where it might be exactly the tool you need to see where the problem 
is.  I think their site is www.servicepilot.com.

Brian

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Re: TSO RENAME broke?

2018-09-25 Thread Tom Sims
IDCAMS RENAME?  Just to be sure, I searched DFSMS AMS Commands, no hit 
on RENAME as a function or a parameter.


If you mean ALTER...NEWNAME, does that still have the limitation I 
remember from the haze of my youth, that it only does the ALTER in the 
same user catalog?


TSO RENAME does not, did not, have that restriction, one of the magical 
things about it, IIRC.  In any case, they are not the same.


Always ready to be educated, though, old dog that I am...

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On 9/25/2018 6:18 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote:

On 9/25/2018 12:30 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

TSO RENAME is just a wrapper for IDCAMS RENAME.


Is that right?? I always thought TSO RENAME did it own DADSM calls.

Or maybe I'm thinking of ISPF's RENAME...



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Re: TSO RENAME broke?

2018-09-25 Thread Don Leahy
TSO profile?  NOWTPMSG (IIRC) might be suppressing an error message.

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 9:18 PM Ed Jaffe 
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> On 9/25/2018 12:30 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> > TSO RENAME is just a wrapper for IDCAMS RENAME.
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> Is that right?? I always thought TSO RENAME did it own DADSM calls.
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> Or maybe I'm thinking of ISPF's RENAME...
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Re: TSO RENAME broke?

2018-09-25 Thread Ed Jaffe

On 9/25/2018 12:30 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

TSO RENAME is just a wrapper for IDCAMS RENAME.


Is that right?? I always thought TSO RENAME did it own DADSM calls.

Or maybe I'm thinking of ISPF's RENAME...

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Re: TSO RENAME broke?

2018-09-25 Thread Jousma, David
Of course.  :)

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TSO RENAME is just a wrapper for IDCAMS RENAME.

> Tried in batch, and get a RC8 but no messages.

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Anyone use TSO rename anymore?  Just tried it.  Don't get any errors, but it 
doesn't do it either.  Tried in batch, and get a RC8 but no messages.  Tried in 
ispf option 6, READY prompt, nothing different.

Can't say I've used it in years, so maybe its been retired?  We are at V2.3 FYI.




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Re: ECB in XMEM Post

2018-09-25 Thread Joseph Reichman
Thanks


> On Sep 25, 2018, at 8:52 PM, Charles Mills  wrote:
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> I don't think so. I would think it could be anywhere in the address space,
> with common storage qualifying as "in the address space."
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> Our friend Peter has taught me to take the documentation at its word. If it
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> In XMEM Post bases on the fact that's ASC is Primary and in the control
> parameters specify "If the caller specifies the ASCB parameter, the event
> control block (ECB) must be addressable from the address space
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> identified by the ASCB parameter. "
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Re: ECB in XMEM Post

2018-09-25 Thread Charles Mills
I don't think so. I would think it could be anywhere in the address space,
with common storage qualifying as "in the address space."

Our friend Peter has taught me to take the documentation at its word. If it
meant "in CSA" it would have said "in CSA." 

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Hi

 

In XMEM Post bases on the fact that's ASC is Primary and in the control
parameters specify "If the caller specifies the ASCB parameter, the event
control block (ECB) must be addressable from the address space

identified by the ASCB parameter. "

 

 

This is just another way of saying that for XMEM The ECB is in  CSA right ?


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ECB in XMEM Post

2018-09-25 Thread Joseph Reichman
Hi

 

In XMEM Post bases on the fact that's ASC is Primary and in the control
parameters specify "If the caller specifies the ASCB parameter, the event
control block (ECB) must be addressable from the address space

identified by the ASCB parameter. "

 

 

This is just another way of saying that for XMEM The ECB is in  CSA right ?


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DFHSM options for dataset back-up

2018-09-25 Thread Gibney, Dave
I will RTFM, but don't feel like starting there. For many historical (some 
hysterical) we run both DFHSM and FDRABR against our SMS managed disk. FDRABR 
does full-volume and incremental back-ups. DFHSM is just dataset back-up. Bad 
experience with DFHSM DUMP a couple decades ago.
We use the FDRABR option UPDATEFLAG=NOCHANGE so DFHSM will back-up (and maybe 
migrate) the datasets. Which means I must run FDRABR first.

Does DFHSM have a similar option (PATCH or FIXCDS) to not set the change bit? 
I'd like to switch the order (well, I already did and it isn't good) of 
processing.

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Re: TSO RENAME broke?

2018-09-25 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
This one is pretty easy to test. I created a straight PS data set and renamed 
it several times. No problem. RENAME has always required exclusive use of a 
data set, so if it's allocated to anyone else, REN will fail. OTOH you should 
get an appropriate error message.

This is a z/OS 2.3.

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The only time I use any of those commands is when something is broke in the 
logon procedure. The last time I had to do that it was OK. I even managed to 
remember the old edit commands!

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 12:27 PM Jousma, David < 
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> Anyone use TSO rename anymore?  Just tried it.  Don't get any errors, 
> but it doesn't do it either.  Tried in batch, and get a RC8 but no messages.
> Tried in ispf option 6, READY prompt, nothing different.
>
> Can't say I've used it in years, so maybe its been retired?  We are at
> V2.3 FYI.


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Re: INTERNAL Cancel Command

2018-09-25 Thread Tom Wasik
JES2, internally, issues MVS CANCEL commands.  In SYSLOG you would see:
NC000 SY1  18268 17:10:52.26 INTERNAL 0290  CANCEL   WTORTST,A=0026 
This is the result of a $CJ JES2 command.  You could look for one of those (and 
it could have been issued on another member of the JESPLEX).

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INTERNAL Cancel Command

2018-09-25 Thread SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN R. Vaughn
I am trying to track down what or who issued a cancel command for a job.  The 
syslog indicates an INTERNAL command was issued by “Operator” according to the 
MVS Planning Operations book.  Is there specific SMF records I can look at to 
see what the INTERNAL really means?
 
From the 'MVS Planning Operations book':
The ‘NC’ at the beginning of the SYSLOG record indicates   N-Single Line 
MessageC-command issued by operator

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INTERNAL Cancel Command

2018-09-25 Thread Ross Vaughn
> 
> I am trying to track down what or who issued a cancel command for a job.  The 
> syslog indicates an INTERNAL command was issued by “Operator” according to 
> the MVS Planning Operations book.  Is there specific SMF records I can look 
> at to see what the INTERNAL really means?
> 
>> 
>>  
>> The ‘NC’ at the beginning of the SYSLOG record indicates   N-Single Line 
>> MessageC-command issued by operator

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Re: IBMLink

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Re: Master cats as user cats on other systems - why?

2018-09-25 Thread Seymour J Metz
Best practice depends on installation policy. If you want to share datasets 
with another LPAR, then you need to have appropriate ALIAS and catalog entries. 
If you want to prohibit sharing then you need to exclude the catalogs that 
contain only non-shareable entries. You also need to ensure that the IOCDS 
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I had a co-worker ask me today why we have all of our master catalogs as user 
cats on the other systems in the sysplex?  Besides convenience I really had no 
answer as to why we had it setup this way?  I've just always done it this way, 
but besides convenience of listing and updating catalogs from other systems is 
there really any reason for this?

And what are best practices?  And if GRS and share options are setup properly, 
is there really any risk to setting things up this way?

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Re: TSO RENAME broke?

2018-09-25 Thread Beverly Caldwell
The only time I use any of those commands is when something is broke in the
logon procedure. The last time I had to do that it was OK. I even managed
to remember the old edit commands!

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 12:27 PM Jousma, David <
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> Anyone use TSO rename anymore?  Just tried it.  Don't get any errors, but
> it doesn't do it either.  Tried in batch, and get a RC8 but no messages.
> Tried in ispf option 6, READY prompt, nothing different.
>
> Can't say I've used it in years, so maybe its been retired?  We are at
> V2.3 FYI.
>
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Re: TSO RENAME broke?

2018-09-25 Thread Charles Mills
I used it several times the other day on V2R2.



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Anyone use TSO rename anymore?  Just tried it.  Don't get any errors, but it 
doesn't do it either.  Tried in batch, and get a RC8 but no messages.  Tried in 
ispf option 6, READY prompt, nothing different.

Can't say I've used it in years, so maybe its been retired?  We are at V2.3 FYI.




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Re: TSO PREFIX, FTP and z/OS upgrade

2018-09-25 Thread Charles Mills
> Is it multi-platform.

Sort of. I edit, compile and unit test on a little white box. The only 
environment in which it "really" runs is z/OS. The fopen()'s work on the little 
white box but (1) the little white box does not know about TSO userids and (2) 
I suspect the fopen()'s may be surrounded by #ifdef __MVS__.

I just looked at the code. No #ifdef, but a real if based on a platform switch. 
The filename is the same in both cases, but z/OS gets an lrecl=80, noseek that 
the little white box would not understand. The parsing of the filename from the 
config file or command input is radically different white box versus Z. A lot 
of platform-dependent screwing around with member names, DD:, assumed filetype 
suffixes, and so forth. I see the following comments in the code but I would 
have to do some analysis to be sure they are accurate. Let's assume they are.

// Under z/OS all names are prefixed with //
// Under z/OS all names that do not begin with * or / or have a ":" in the 
second position are quoted

"Second position" would appear to mean [2] which is really the third character 
such as in DD:. The product uses * to mean "allocate a SYSOUT dataset."

Charles


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On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 11:27:18 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:

>POSIX(ON) tends to change everything.
>
>I suppose I should qualify my remarks about fopen() by saying I am a big 
>believer in quotes and fully-qualified names. Of course, I am developing an 
>"enterprise, production" product, not a user productivity tool. I suspect all 
>of my "legacy" fopen()'s use quotes.
>
>The product runs POSIX(ON) FWIW.
> 
Is it multi-platform?

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Re: TSO RENAME broke?

2018-09-25 Thread Seymour J Metz
TSO RENAME is just a wrapper for IDCAMS RENAME.

> Tried in batch, and get a RC8 but no messages.  

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Anyone use TSO rename anymore?  Just tried it.  Don't get any errors, but it 
doesn't do it either.  Tried in batch, and get a RC8 but no messages.  Tried in 
ispf option 6, READY prompt, nothing different.

Can't say I've used it in years, so maybe its been retired?  We are at V2.3 FYI.




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TSO RENAME broke?

2018-09-25 Thread Jousma, David
Anyone use TSO rename anymore?  Just tried it.  Don't get any errors, but it 
doesn't do it either.  Tried in batch, and get a RC8 but no messages.  Tried in 
ispf option 6, READY prompt, nothing different.

Can't say I've used it in years, so maybe its been retired?  We are at V2.3 FYI.




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Re: TSO PREFIX, FTP and z/OS upgrade

2018-09-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 11:27:18 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:

>POSIX(ON) tends to change everything.
>
>I suppose I should qualify my remarks about fopen() by saying I am a big 
>believer in quotes and fully-qualified names. Of course, I am developing an 
>"enterprise, production" product, not a user productivity tool. I suspect all 
>of my "legacy" fopen()'s use quotes.
>
>The product runs POSIX(ON) FWIW.
> 
Is it multi-platform?

(Disregarding your prudent caution:)  After the command PROFILE 
PREFIX(dsname_prefix),
does the changed dsname_prefix apply in an FTP client session started from that 
TSO
session?

A related anomaly:  From experience, if I use the FTP subcommand,
LCD /UNIX/path, that changed directory is not effective for "!" shell
escapes.  This differs from the behavior of FTP clients on other OSes.
Apparently the z/OS FTP client doesn't really do the chdir("/UNIX/path")
that I'd expect.

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Re: TSO PREFIX, FTP and z/OS upgrade

2018-09-25 Thread Charles Mills
POSIX(ON) tends to change everything.

I suppose I should qualify my remarks about fopen() by saying I am a big 
believer in quotes and fully-qualified names. Of course, I am developing an 
"enterprise, production" product, not a user productivity tool. I suspect all 
of my "legacy" fopen()'s use quotes.

The product runs POSIX(ON) FWIW.

Charles


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On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 09:40:16 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:

>The APARs are pretty specific about "IDCAMS." 
> 
Yes, but the OP mentions FTP, not IDCAMS.  But how broad is the reach of IDCAMS?
Possible anything that employs Catalog Services?

>There is a little bit more of a *hint* on the "why" in APAR OA43330.
> 
"[L]ittle" seems to be the operant word.

>"My" product uses fopen() extensively for "legacy" datasets in a variety of 
>customer environments and we have gotten no reports of issues.
> 
I know an OMVS segment is needed for FTP nowadays.  Is a TSO segment or UADS
entry likewise needed, perhaps by the user ID/password dialogue?

How does fopen() by a user having neither UADS nor RACF/TSO treat an 
incompletely
qualified DSN (e.g. "//SYS1.SAMPLIB" as opposed to "//'SYS1.SAMPLIB'")?  Does 
POSIX
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Re: TSO PREFIX, FTP and z/OS upgrade

2018-09-25 Thread Dave B
It was TSO PREFIX versus the USERID itself is what was observed.

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Re: TSO PREFIX, FTP and z/OS upgrade

2018-09-25 Thread Frank Swarbrick
What is the "change in FTP prefix" that you are referring to?

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I had a PMR and the result was that the change in FTP prefix was attributed to 
the following:

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.e0zm100/DFSMS_V2R2_IDCAMS_Review_Dataset_Keyword.htm

To work around our issues, the datasets were fully qualified with quotation 
marks to ensure that the prefix would not be attempted.

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Re: TSO PREFIX, FTP and z/OS upgrade

2018-09-25 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 09:40:16 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:

>The APARs are pretty specific about "IDCAMS." 
> 
Yes, but the OP mentions FTP, not IDCAMS.  But how broad is the reach of IDCAMS?
Possible anything that employs Catalog Services?

>There is a little bit more of a *hint* on the "why" in APAR OA43330.
> 
"[L]ittle" seems to be the operant word.

>"My" product uses fopen() extensively for "legacy" datasets in a variety of 
>customer environments and we have gotten no reports of issues.
> 
I know an OMVS segment is needed for FTP nowadays.  Is a TSO segment or UADS
entry likewise needed, perhaps by the user ID/password dialogue?

How does fopen() by a user having neither UADS nor RACF/TSO treat an 
incompletely
qualified DSN (e.g. "//SYS1.SAMPLIB" as opposed to "//'SYS1.SAMPLIB'")?  Does 
POSIX
make a difference?

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Re: FTP slow after 2.3 upgrade

2018-09-25 Thread Edward Finnell
The ones that usually strike are buffer size(mismatch) and auto-negotiate for 
speed. 'course if a router's gone south.

Thanks Brian. I'm convinced there must have been some other network changes 
implemented the same weekend. I've asked our network team to look into it 
further




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Thanks Brian. I'm convinced there must have been some other network changes 
implemented the same weekend. I've asked our network team to look into it 
further

Regards and thanks
Paul

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Actually the 17 sites I have upgraded to 2.3 so far have all experienced no 
change at all in the FTP speed.  They are various different models of hardware 
and  pretty much everything that is currently supported is represented at one 
of the sites. Maybe you have updated to a older (or newer) level than they are 
at, or maybe you have changed something in your hardware that took effect on 
the same day.

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Re: websphere-liberty question

2018-09-25 Thread Matt Hogstrom
I believe Liberty is included in z/OS but you might need to purchase support.  
I’d talk to your IBM sales dude.
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Re: websphere-liberty question

2018-09-25 Thread Allan Staller
IIRC included. z/OSMF uses Liberty.
I suppose either copy (from CICS or z/OS)  could be used.

I have no idea if the configuration parameters are combatable.

HTH,

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Re: TSO PREFIX, FTP and z/OS upgrade

2018-09-25 Thread Charles Mills
The APARs are pretty specific about "IDCAMS." 

There is a little bit more of a *hint* on the "why" in APAR OA43330.

"My" product uses fopen() extensively for "legacy" datasets in a variety of 
customer environments and we have gotten no reports of issues.

Charles

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On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:54:29 -0500, Dave B wrote:

>I had a PMR and the result was that the change in FTP prefix was attributed to 
>the following:
>
>https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.3.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r3.e0zm100/DFSMS_V2R2_IDCAMS_Review_Dataset_Keyword.htm
>   
>
>To work around our issues, the datasets were fully qualified with quotation 
>marks to ensure that the prefix would not be attempted.
> 
Is there a good reason for this incompatible change?  Whom does it benefit.

o Does it affect/is it compatible with the XLC fopen() function?

o Does it affect/is it compatible with UNIX /bin/cp, etc.?  (Probably the same
  answer as XLC.)

o Does it affect TRANSMIT/RECEIVE with PROFILE NOPREFIX?

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Re: TSO PREFIX, FTP and z/OS upgrade

2018-09-25 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
We have rolled out z/OS 2.3 to the entire Enterprise and received no problem 
reports. Some comments:

-- It may be 'typical' for a TSO user to have a RACF segment, but there is no 
overarching technical requirement unless a user needs to execute one of the few 
documented functions that explicitly require a segment. Those functions are 
typically restricted to sysprogs and other 'infrastructure' folks. So the vast 
majority of users in any shop probably do not *need* a TSOE segment.

-- Our shop has a decades old RYO security management tool that was built 
around UADS long before TSOE segments were invented. Until now (long time!) 
there has been little appetite to rewrite the tool to accommodate TSOE 
segments. So most of our users are still UADS-only.

-- Absent any problem reports, I have not delved into OA47508, but how does 
IDCAMS distinguish between a 'TSO user' who has no RACF segment and an HLQ that 
is not associated at all with any particular user? That is, HLQ XYZ001 may 
represent a TSO user or simply a (shared) high level application id. If there 
is no TSOE segment, how does IDCAMS decide what to do? 

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According to doc APAR OA47508, the only case where there should be a difference 
in behavior is when there is no RACF TSO segment for this user. 

Isn't it typical for there to be such a segment?

>Is there a good reason for this incompatible change? 
yes there was/is. And that is all that I can say.

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Re: websphere-liberty question

2018-09-25 Thread Barkow, Eileen
JCI710L is the fmid for Liberty with CICS 5.4,  but it did not install what it 
should have - just supplied a clist with a PAX command you can run
With the supplied pax file to install the wlp subdirectory into 
/usr/lpp/cicsts/cicsts54.

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Liberty is included with  CICS, but with out recent CICS TS 5.4 install, the 
wlp directory did not get placed in the HFS.
I  had to find the pax file for it and install it manually.

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Re: websphere-liberty question

2018-09-25 Thread Barkow, Eileen
Liberty is included with  CICS, but with out recent CICS TS 5.4 install, the 
wlp directory did not get placed in the HFS.
I  had to find the pax file for it and install it manually.

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Re: TSO PREFIX, FTP and z/OS upgrade

2018-09-25 Thread Tom Conley

On 9/25/2018 11:49 AM, Gibney, Dave wrote:

No. Very few of our users have TSO segments. The applications are in CICS


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According to doc APAR OA47508, the only case where there should be a
difference in behavior is when there is no RACF TSO segment for this user.

Isn't it typical for there to be such a segment?


Is there a good reason for this incompatible change?

yes there was/is. And that is all that I can say.



Dave,

Based on Peter's response above, your answers will likely be found on 
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Re: TSO PREFIX, FTP and z/OS upgrade

2018-09-25 Thread Gibney, Dave
No. Very few of our users have TSO segments. The applications are in CICS

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> According to doc APAR OA47508, the only case where there should be a
> difference in behavior is when there is no RACF TSO segment for this user.
> 
> Isn't it typical for there to be such a segment?
> 
> >Is there a good reason for this incompatible change?
> yes there was/is. And that is all that I can say.
> 
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websphere-liberty question

2018-09-25 Thread scott Ford
Does anyone know when you order z/OS new or otherwise if Websphere and
CICS Liberty are optional costs or are they included.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Zosmf-revisit

2018-09-25 Thread scott Ford
Kurt,

Ty no problem. I reviewed the ones on github and as you mentioned they
seemded to be a good starting point for use.

Thanks again,

Scott

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> On 9/21/2018 10:07 AM, scott Ford wrote:
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> > Sorry I wasn’t clear, I need client examples. I saw a Java example on
> > github and a html - JavaScript example.
> > Is this how we would make a call from a cross site client to request
> zosmf
> > to perform for example a TSO command?
>
> I haven't tried the samples up on github, but I assume they work, so
> yeah, they should give you some ideas how to use the z/OSMF TSO REST API
> to perform a TSO command from a remote client.  I don't have or know
> about other examples to share, sorry.
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DAF 1.49 & SMF Type 42 records

2018-09-25 Thread PINION, RICHARD W.
When using DAF 1.49 to report on SMF Type 42 records, the program
appears to be in a loop.  Executing from a PDSE, the CPU consumption
is very high.  Using MainView program trace, the hot spot is in IAXVP,
and the EXCP count is excessively high for my STEPLIB, which is where
DAF is executing from.

Re-assembling and linking into a PDS, the CPU consumption goes down,
but the EXCP count is excessively high.  I let DAF execute for over 30
minutes, which is an unusually long time for DAF to run, before
cancelling it.

I was attempting to report on SMF Type 42 records for one day.  The
SMF extract data set was about 800 tracks.
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Re: Master cats as user cats on other systems - why?

2018-09-25 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2018-09-25 o 13:57, Todd Burrell pisze:

I had a co-worker ask me today why we have all of our master catalogs as user 
cats on the other systems in the sysplex?  Besides convenience I really had no 
answer as to why we had it setup this way?  I've just always done it this way, 
but besides convenience of listing and updating catalogs from other systems is 
there really any reason for this?

And what are best practices?  And if GRS and share options are setup properly, 
is there really any risk to setting things up this way?


IMHO the best practice for Sysplex is to share MCAT and (most of) UCATs.
However if you don't share it you have difficulty to access other 
member's dataset - that's why MCATs are defined one to each other as UCATs.


Rephrasing your question, there is no special risk when some UCAT is 
shared with another system but there it plays role of MCAT. Of course 
catalog sharing can be screwed up, but it does not depend on BCS role 
(MCAT vs UCAT).


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Re: TSO PREFIX, FTP and z/OS upgrade

2018-09-25 Thread Peter Relson
According to doc APAR OA47508, the only case where there should be a 
difference in behavior is when there is no RACF TSO segment for this user. 

Isn't it typical for there to be such a segment?

>Is there a good reason for this incompatible change? 
yes there was/is. And that is all that I can say.

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Moving LinkedIn Mainframe Groups Content to Groups.io

2018-09-25 Thread David Staudacher
Since LinkedIn trashed Groups with their new interface, which eliminated the 
search facility, the "featured discussion" (indexed to access high value 
content) and also managed to lose about 2/3 of older content in the process, I 
will no longer curate any Mainframe discussions on LinkedIn but will move 
whatever I can salvage to http://groups.io as time allows and will continue 
curating future discussions there. 
Groups.io has essentially every feature LinkedIn once did, PLUS a choice of 
fonts (finally!) allowing fixed-font code samples with leading and embedded 
spaces preserved.
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discussions (including jobs)  
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Re: Master cats as user cats on other systems - why?

2018-09-25 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Todd Burrell wrote:

>I had a co-worker ask me today why we have all of our master catalogs as user 
>cats on the other systems in the sysplex?  

Do you mean each LPAR has its own Master Catalog? And each of these Master 
Catalogs are defined as User Catalog in other LPARs?


>Besides convenience I really had no answer as to why we had it setup this way? 
> I've just always done it this way, but besides convenience of listing and 
>updating catalogs from other systems is there really any reason for this? 

One convenience is you can isolate each LPARs using naming standards unique to 
that LPAR.

But, what will you do if you need to access a dataset 'outside' your LPAR where 
you're working on?


>And what are best practices?  And if GRS and share options are setup properly, 
>is there really any risk to setting things up this way?  

We have one Master Catalog per Sysplex. Very practical, because you have fewer 
ALIASes to worry about and you have one consistent naming standards across the 
Sysplex.

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: Master cats as user cats on other systems - why?

2018-09-25 Thread Vernooij, Kees (ITOPT1) - KLM
If you have datasets that must be cataloged in the mastercatalog and you want 
to access them from other systems, you must define that mastercatalog as 
usercatalogs in the other systems.

Do a LISTC ALIAS ALL and check which aliases have an associated usercat that is 
a mastercatalog of another system.

Kees

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> 
> I had a co-worker ask me today why we have all of our master catalogs as
> user cats on the other systems in the sysplex?  Besides convenience I
> really had no answer as to why we had it setup this way?  I've just
> always done it this way, but besides convenience of listing and updating
> catalogs from other systems is there really any reason for this?
> 
> And what are best practices?  And if GRS and share options are setup
> properly, is there really any risk to setting things up this way?
> 
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Master cats as user cats on other systems - why?

2018-09-25 Thread Todd Burrell
I had a co-worker ask me today why we have all of our master catalogs as user 
cats on the other systems in the sysplex?  Besides convenience I really had no 
answer as to why we had it setup this way?  I've just always done it this way, 
but besides convenience of listing and updating catalogs from other systems is 
there really any reason for this? 

And what are best practices?  And if GRS and share options are setup properly, 
is there really any risk to setting things up this way?  

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Re: FTP slow after 2.3 upgrade

2018-09-25 Thread Beesley, Paul
Thanks Brian. I'm convinced there must have been some other network changes 
implemented the same weekend. I've asked our network team to look into it 
further

Regards and thanks
Paul

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Actually the 17 sites I have upgraded to 2.3 so far have all experienced no 
change at all in the FTP speed.  They are various different models of hardware 
and  pretty much everything that is currently supported is represented at one 
of the sites. Maybe you have updated to a older (or newer) level than they are 
at, or maybe you have changed something in your hardware that took effect on 
the same day.

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Re: FTP slow after 2.3 upgrade

2018-09-25 Thread Brian Westerman
Actually the 17 sites I have upgraded to 2.3 so far have all experienced no 
change at all in the FTP speed.  They are various different models of hardware 
and  pretty much everything that is currently supported is represented at one 
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