CBT File 120 - A new article - Member BM1912DE

2019-12-23 Thread Sam Golob

Dear Folks,

    Please leave the distribution of my articles as is.  If you want to 
see more of them, please think responsibly and don't post them.  Get 
them from where they are.  Thanks much.


Sincerely,  Sam

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Re: CBT File 120 - A new article - Member BM1912DE

2019-12-23 Thread Edward Finnell
I was thinking maybe a cbtnewslettter web page where updates to technological 
articles are posted as .pdf then when they're updated Sam could point us to the 
new link as a .pdf. 

In a message dated 12/23/2019 7:36:23 PM Central Standard Time, 
wayn...@gmail.com writes:
I like it where it is, it makes me go there.and learn.

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Re: CBT File 120 - A new article - Member BM1912DE

2019-12-23 Thread Arthur
On 23 Dec 2019 14:27:00 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
(Message-ID:<5007816406371788.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>) 
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu (Paul 
Gilmartin) wrote:


It's not obvious to me that a zipped NETDATA archive of an 
IEBCOPY-unloaded
PDS fixed-80 member is the ideal format for a text 
document.  But it does conform to cbttape.org conventions.


It also tends to keep the management types away. What I 
meant when I said, "I'd be happier if things like that 
stayed on CBT," was that I'd be happier if they weren't 
easily available to those who might object to the content. 
The CBT tape had a history of such troubles (though 
admittedly few).


Sam's instructions were good enough that I had no trouble 
downloading the correct file and finding the correct 
member. 


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Re: CBT File 120 - A new article - Member BM1912DE

2019-12-23 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
To quote Rick Nelson.

"But it's all right now, I learned my lesson well.
You see, ya can't please everyone, so ya got to please yourself"

It's a Tour de force. Good work Sam.

I like it where it is, it makes me go there.and learn.


On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 9:27 AM Paul Gilmartin <
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> On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 21:41:03 +, Edward Finnell  wrote:
>
> >Well sort of. I tried to post it as a .txt attachment and it was rejected
> due to length. Maybe a happy medium is to subscribe to the CBT Newsletter.
> >
> Instructions?  OK:  http://www.cbttape.org/maillist.htm
> Is there an archive?
>
> Yahoo has announced end-of-life of their data repository:
> https://twitter.com/YahooCare/status/1204312003701092352
> Google?
>
> >In a message dated 12/23/2019 9:31:25 AM Central Standard Time,
> bdis...@dissensoftware.com writes:
> >It is not a binary choice. It can be both posted and on the CBT tape
>
> It's not obvious to me that a zipped NETDATA archive of an IEBCOPY-unloaded
> PDS fixed-80 member is the ideal format for a text document.  But it does
> conform to cbttape.org conventions.
>
> “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds,
> adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines..."
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Re: CBT File 120 - A new article - Member BM1912DE

2019-12-23 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 21:41:03 +, Edward Finnell  wrote:

>Well sort of. I tried to post it as a .txt attachment and it was rejected due 
>to length. Maybe a happy medium is to subscribe to the CBT Newsletter.
>
Instructions?  OK:  http://www.cbttape.org/maillist.htm
Is there an archive?

Yahoo has announced end-of-life of their data repository:
https://twitter.com/YahooCare/status/1204312003701092352
Google?

>In a message dated 12/23/2019 9:31:25 AM Central Standard Time, 
>bdis...@dissensoftware.com writes:
>It is not a binary choice. It can be both posted and on the CBT tape

It's not obvious to me that a zipped NETDATA archive of an IEBCOPY-unloaded
PDS fixed-80 member is the ideal format for a text document.  But it does 
conform to cbttape.org conventions.

“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds,
adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines..."

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Re: IP 0.0.0.0

2019-12-23 Thread Grant Taylor

On 12/23/19 12:53 AM, Jake Anderson wrote:

Hello


Hi,


Cross posted


Where is it cross posted from / to?  (I'd like to look at the other 
location.)



Out network vulnerability team has reported that there is a traffic between
0.0.0.0 and LPAR IP.


Is there any chance that the vulnerability team is using 0.0.0.0 as a 
stand in for  that is not a defined communications end point?


As in it doesn't match known hosts, thus it matches 0.0.0.0/0?



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Re: CBT File 120 - A new article - Member BM1912DE

2019-12-23 Thread Edward Finnell
Well sort of. I tried to post it as a .txt attachment and it was rejected due 
to length. Maybe a happy medium is to subscribe to the CBT Newsletter.

In a message dated 12/23/2019 9:31:25 AM Central Standard Time, 
bdis...@dissensoftware.com writes:
It is not a binary choice. It can be both posted and on the CBT tape

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Re: LOGSTREAM sizing factors

2019-12-23 Thread Jousma, David
Rex, I had a bit too much egg-nog while on the job too I guess.  I saw that 
*right* after I pressed Send   at least we all had the right link!!!  

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Dave,

Somewhere in the middle?  Lizette's first attempt was CISIZER, the second 
CFCISER, reality CFSIZER.  

Don't worry, Lizette, I do the same thing all the time.  :-)  You got it right 
where it counted - in the URL.

Rex

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Subject: [External] Re: LOGSTREAM sizing factors

I think you were right the first time Lizette!  A bit early for the egg-nog... 

https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/cfsizer


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-Original Message-
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Sorry it should read CFCISER not CISIZER.  Had a finger check

Lizette


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> Subject: Re: LOGSTREAM sizing factors
> 
> Have you tried the CISIZER on https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/cfsizer
> 
> 
> It may have some information for you on this process.
> 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
> > Behalf Of Peter
> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 9:25 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: LOGSTREAM sizing factors
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> >
> > We are going to deploy a zOS product which writes LOGSTREAM  on CF
> structure.
> > From the performance point of view what are all aspects i need to be 
> > aware for example dasd space for LOGSTREAM logs, storage sizing , CF 
> > memory sizing and we are expecting atleast 50 million transaction on
> production.
> > .
> >
> > Could you provide me an idea based on which i can size my LOGSTREAM
> >
> > Peter
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Re: LOGSTREAM sizing factors

2019-12-23 Thread Pommier, Rex
Dave,

Somewhere in the middle?  Lizette's first attempt was CISIZER, the second 
CFCISER, reality CFSIZER.  

Don't worry, Lizette, I do the same thing all the time.  :-)  You got it right 
where it counted - in the URL.

Rex

-Original Message-
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Jousma, David
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 11:57 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [External] Re: LOGSTREAM sizing factors

I think you were right the first time Lizette!  A bit early for the egg-nog... 

https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/cfsizer


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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
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Subject: Re: LOGSTREAM sizing factors

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Sorry it should read CFCISER not CISIZER.  Had a finger check

Lizette


> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
> Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 10:42 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: LOGSTREAM sizing factors
> 
> Have you tried the CISIZER on https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/cfsizer
> 
> 
> It may have some information for you on this process.
> 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
> > Behalf Of Peter
> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 9:25 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: LOGSTREAM sizing factors
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> >
> > We are going to deploy a zOS product which writes LOGSTREAM  on CF
> structure.
> > From the performance point of view what are all aspects i need to be 
> > aware for example dasd space for LOGSTREAM logs, storage sizing , CF 
> > memory sizing and we are expecting atleast 50 million transaction on
> production.
> > .
> >
> > Could you provide me an idea based on which i can size my LOGSTREAM
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > 
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Re: CBT File 120 - A new article - Member BM1912DE

2019-12-23 Thread Seymour J Metz
While I would certainly like to see the reports posted here, the cbttape.org 
home page has a lot more than just one link.


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For me  cbttape.org just had a link to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cbt-tape/   and then I requested access to
the yahoo group and now I need a yahoo group ID... so I just quit trying.

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 1:27 PM Paul Gilmartin <
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 15:23:14 -0500, Tony Thigpen wrote:
>
> >Any way you could just put a copy in a post to this list?
> >
> Why?  Is cbttape.org inaccessible to you?
>
>
> >Sam Golob wrote on 12/22/19 2:36 PM:
> >>
> >>  I've just completed a new article which you might find interesting
> >> to read.  It is on the Updates page of 
> >> http://secure-web.cisco.com/1wmohaG7EEd1vSnFuVh0sLW04ol8e_nfPJrDM3suaz7I2-Ns2_fJ2drTnhsWEnK7ihLgWkX4cXj1lOSaLEZBt1XsrKZbxN7PDenxlYF7sjhg8s0XIPA5pc7kZ1Xj5wY-8vVSQPKOVCEgjIl4TsWCwEEYdbZ5KxhXtYnahS-jdmZVhPScHqMpwWTezWMtmnQ4NzErEHYvPCofAqI6jTG-U6mMPm3-LTwqbxtOHhHirqwThp7JDG-VQxyXvuhDtRzBwcaSce3USnISLwcLuYZgjoBVlwdRNGra300AxbncRSk6rFfMNhPhxGWwcgVX0Wl0lZ9L_zKaas4NlzwSb3FzF5V5NIgWaa1ywUqDN7rWI3ztFd2pPQhTeLqcGviab6ng1zhNPXUwXMF3x9ebaJb0KCSJbBxDgEXtBNesB9uh8GKUhaZY1BCwVEgoB7EI88Kdx/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbttape.org
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> >> member BM1912DE.
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Re: CBT File 120 - A new article - Member BM1912DE

2019-12-23 Thread Keith Smith
For me  cbttape.org just had a link to
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cbt-tape/   and then I requested access to
the yahoo group and now I need a yahoo group ID... so I just quit trying.

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 1:27 PM Paul Gilmartin <
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> On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 15:23:14 -0500, Tony Thigpen wrote:
>
> >Any way you could just put a copy in a post to this list?
> >
> Why?  Is cbttape.org inaccessible to you?
>
>
> >Sam Golob wrote on 12/22/19 2:36 PM:
> >>
> >>  I've just completed a new article which you might find interesting
> >> to read.  It is on the Updates page of www.cbttape.org on File 120, as
> >> member BM1912DE.
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Re: CBT File 120 - A new article - Member BM1912DE

2019-12-23 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sun, 22 Dec 2019 15:23:14 -0500, Tony Thigpen wrote:

>Any way you could just put a copy in a post to this list?
> 
Why?  Is cbttape.org inaccessible to you?


>Sam Golob wrote on 12/22/19 2:36 PM:
>> 
>>      I've just completed a new article which you might find interesting 
>> to read.  It is on the Updates page of www.cbttape.org on File 120, as 
>> member BM1912DE.

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Re: LOGSTREAM sizing factors

2019-12-23 Thread Jousma, David
I think you were right the first time Lizette!  A bit early for the egg-nog... 

https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/cfsizer


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Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 12:53 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: LOGSTREAM sizing factors

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> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
> Behalf Of Lizette Koehler
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 10:42 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: LOGSTREAM sizing factors
> 
> Have you tried the CISIZER on https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/cfsizer
> 
> 
> It may have some information for you on this process.
> 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
> > Behalf Of Peter
> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 9:25 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: LOGSTREAM sizing factors
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> >
> > We are going to deploy a zOS product which writes LOGSTREAM  on CF
> structure.
> > From the performance point of view what are all aspects i need to be 
> > aware for example dasd space for LOGSTREAM logs, storage sizing , CF 
> > memory sizing and we are expecting atleast 50 million transaction on
> production.
> > .
> >
> > Could you provide me an idea based on which i can size my LOGSTREAM
> >
> > Peter
> >
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Re: LOGSTREAM sizing factors

2019-12-23 Thread Lizette Koehler
Sorry it should read CFCISER not CISIZER.  Had a finger check

Lizette


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> Lizette Koehler
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 10:42 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: LOGSTREAM sizing factors
> 
> Have you tried the CISIZER on https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/cfsizer
> 
> 
> It may have some information for you on this process.
> 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> > Behalf Of Peter
> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 9:25 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: LOGSTREAM sizing factors
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> >
> > We are going to deploy a zOS product which writes LOGSTREAM  on CF
> structure.
> > From the performance point of view what are all aspects i need to be
> > aware for example dasd space for LOGSTREAM logs, storage sizing , CF
> > memory sizing and we are expecting atleast 50 million transaction on
> production.
> > .
> >
> > Could you provide me an idea based on which i can size my LOGSTREAM
> >
> > Peter
> >
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Re: LOGSTREAM sizing factors

2019-12-23 Thread Lizette Koehler
Have you tried the CISIZER on https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/cfsizer


It may have some information for you on this process.



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> Hello All,
> 
> 
> We are going to deploy a zOS product which writes LOGSTREAM  on CF structure.
> From the performance point of view what are all aspects i need to be aware
> for example dasd space for LOGSTREAM logs, storage sizing , CF memory sizing
> and we are expecting atleast 50 million transaction on production.
> .
> 
> Could you provide me an idea based on which i can size my LOGSTREAM
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LOGSTREAM sizing factors

2019-12-23 Thread Peter
Hello All,


We are going to deploy a zOS product which writes LOGSTREAM  on CF
structure. From the performance point of view what are all aspects i need
to be aware for example dasd space for LOGSTREAM logs, storage sizing , CF
memory sizing and we are expecting atleast 50 million transaction on
production.
.

Could you provide me an idea based on which i can size my LOGSTREAM

Peter

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Re: CBT File 120 - A new article - Member BM1912DE

2019-12-23 Thread Steve Horein
Very interesting!
Great job Sam!

On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 1:37 PM Sam Golob  wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
>  I've just completed a new article which you might find interesting
> to read.  It is on the Updates page of www.cbttape.org on File 120, as
> member BM1912DE.
>
>  The article talks about some newer programs, many of which I have
> had a part in writing.  In all likelihood, you have not heard about most
> or all of them.  I hope that you find this article informative, or at
> least entertaining.
>
>  Thanks for your support.  All the best of everything to all of you.
>
> Sincerely, Sam
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A little pre-Christmas diversion...

2019-12-23 Thread Sean Gleann
Something I noticed on the BBC web site this morning...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-50840818/i-was-a-teenage-code-breaker-at-bletchley-park

My main take-away from it was "92 years old and still as bright as a
button!" I hope I last that well...".

Merry Christmas, all
Sean

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Re: CBT File 120 - A new article - Member BM1912DE

2019-12-23 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Binyamin AMV"SH,
וכל המרבה הרי משובח

א פרייליכען חנוכה

Regards,
David

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> :>>Any way you could just put a copy in a post to this list?
>
> :>I've read the article. I think Sam made the right decision;
> :>I'd be happier if things like that stayed on CBT.`
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Re: IP 0.0.0.0

2019-12-23 Thread Rupert Reynolds
On Mon, 23 Dec 2019, 10:12 Joe Monk,  wrote:

> "0.0.0.0 is non-routable and a typical use in traffic would be in DHCP, in
> which an adaptor doesn't have an address assigned yet and the device sends
> out a DHCP request from 0.0.0.0 asking to be assigned a proper address."
>
> PCs dont send DHCP to 0.0.0.0. They send DHCP to 255.255.255.255 ...
> broadcast IP. If the DHCP server is off network (as defined by the subnet
> mask), then a helper address will be configured to get DHCP to the right
> server.
>
> If it is a windows machine, the DHCP request packet will include the last
> assigned IP address, as a way of requesting to keep the existing, which
> will be ACKd or NAKd depending.
>

Yes. My point is that 0.0.0.0 is also a valid /from/ address in DHCP,
perhaps if DHCP has not previously been used.

It all boils down to needing more information. Any "vulnerability team"
that spots traffic they don't understand already has more information. They
need to share it :-)

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Re: IP 0.0.0.0

2019-12-23 Thread Joe Monk
"0.0.0.0 is non-routable and a typical use in traffic would be in DHCP, in
which an adaptor doesn't have an address assigned yet and the device sends
out a DHCP request from 0.0.0.0 asking to be assigned a proper address."

PCs dont send DHCP to 0.0.0.0. They send DHCP to 255.255.255.255 ...
broadcast IP. If the DHCP server is off network (as defined by the subnet
mask), then a helper address will be configured to get DHCP to the right
server.

If it is a windows machine, the DHCP request packet will include the last
assigned IP address, as a way of requesting to keep the existing, which
will be ACKd or NAKd depending.

Joe

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 2:28 AM Rupert Reynolds  wrote:

> 0.0.0.0 is a special "no address" or "any address", depending on context.
>
> If a listening server socket binds to 0.0.0.0 then it listens on any
> interfaces present, which might be two adaptors with addresses
> 192.168.something and 10.something, for example.
>
> 0.0.0.0 is non-routable and a typical use in traffic would be in DHCP, in
> which an adaptor doesn't have an address assigned yet and the device sends
> out a DHCP request from 0.0.0.0 asking to be assigned a proper address.
>
> I'd ask for clarification, myself :-)
>
> On Mon, 23 Dec 2019, 07:53 Jake Anderson, 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello
> >
> > Cross posted
> >
> > Out network vulnerability team has reported that there is a traffic
> between
> > 0.0.0.0 and LPAR IP.
> >
> > Does it mean 0.0.0.0 listen to all address and make server open to
> internet
> > ?
> >
> > I believe 0.0.0.0 belongs to BPXOINIT(OMVS)
> >
> > Regards
> > Jake
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Re: IP 0.0.0.0

2019-12-23 Thread Joe Monk
The address 0.0.0.0 is nothing in and of itself to worry about. What you
need to worry about are the port numbers to which it is trying to
communicate.

Joe

On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 1:54 AM Jake Anderson 
wrote:

> Hello
>
> Cross posted
>
> Out network vulnerability team has reported that there is a traffic between
> 0.0.0.0 and LPAR IP.
>
> Does it mean 0.0.0.0 listen to all address and make server open to internet
> ?
>
> I believe 0.0.0.0 belongs to BPXOINIT(OMVS)
>
> Regards
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Re: IP 0.0.0.0

2019-12-23 Thread Rupert Reynolds
I don't know any of the mainframe conventions and others here will, but my
first question would be for clarification of what they mean by 'traffic'.

Is it protocol UDP or TCP or some other, if it's TCP is it simply SYN
packets (at the start of a TCP connection) without response, or is there a
whole sequence for a TCP connection and stream of data? What ports are the
source and destination?

'Traffic' without a port or even a protocol name (or number) is about as
vague as they can be :-)

Rupert

On Mon, 23 Dec 2019, 08:32 Jake Anderson,  wrote:

> Hi Rupert
>
> I understand but any clue why it has traffic with Mainframe IP when it is
> not even listening on any application
>
> On Mon, 23 Dec, 2019, 12:28 PM Rupert Reynolds, 
> wrote:
>
> > 0.0.0.0 is a special "no address" or "any address", depending on context.
> >
> > If a listening server socket binds to 0.0.0.0 then it listens on any
> > interfaces present, which might be two adaptors with addresses
> > 192.168.something and 10.something, for example.
> >
> > 0.0.0.0 is non-routable and a typical use in traffic would be in DHCP, in
> > which an adaptor doesn't have an address assigned yet and the device
> sends
> > out a DHCP request from 0.0.0.0 asking to be assigned a proper address.
> >
> > I'd ask for clarification, myself :-)
> >
> > On Mon, 23 Dec 2019, 07:53 Jake Anderson, 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello
> > >
> > > Cross posted
> > >
> > > Out network vulnerability team has reported that there is a traffic
> > between
> > > 0.0.0.0 and LPAR IP.
> > >
> > > Does it mean 0.0.0.0 listen to all address and make server open to
> > internet
> > > ?
> > >
> > > I believe 0.0.0.0 belongs to BPXOINIT(OMVS)
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Jake
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Re: IP 0.0.0.0

2019-12-23 Thread Jake Anderson
Hi Rupert

I understand but any clue why it has traffic with Mainframe IP when it is
not even listening on any application

On Mon, 23 Dec, 2019, 12:28 PM Rupert Reynolds,  wrote:

> 0.0.0.0 is a special "no address" or "any address", depending on context.
>
> If a listening server socket binds to 0.0.0.0 then it listens on any
> interfaces present, which might be two adaptors with addresses
> 192.168.something and 10.something, for example.
>
> 0.0.0.0 is non-routable and a typical use in traffic would be in DHCP, in
> which an adaptor doesn't have an address assigned yet and the device sends
> out a DHCP request from 0.0.0.0 asking to be assigned a proper address.
>
> I'd ask for clarification, myself :-)
>
> On Mon, 23 Dec 2019, 07:53 Jake Anderson, 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello
> >
> > Cross posted
> >
> > Out network vulnerability team has reported that there is a traffic
> between
> > 0.0.0.0 and LPAR IP.
> >
> > Does it mean 0.0.0.0 listen to all address and make server open to
> internet
> > ?
> >
> > I believe 0.0.0.0 belongs to BPXOINIT(OMVS)
> >
> > Regards
> > Jake
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Re: IP 0.0.0.0

2019-12-23 Thread Rupert Reynolds
0.0.0.0 is a special "no address" or "any address", depending on context.

If a listening server socket binds to 0.0.0.0 then it listens on any
interfaces present, which might be two adaptors with addresses
192.168.something and 10.something, for example.

0.0.0.0 is non-routable and a typical use in traffic would be in DHCP, in
which an adaptor doesn't have an address assigned yet and the device sends
out a DHCP request from 0.0.0.0 asking to be assigned a proper address.

I'd ask for clarification, myself :-)

On Mon, 23 Dec 2019, 07:53 Jake Anderson,  wrote:

> Hello
>
> Cross posted
>
> Out network vulnerability team has reported that there is a traffic between
> 0.0.0.0 and LPAR IP.
>
> Does it mean 0.0.0.0 listen to all address and make server open to internet
> ?
>
> I believe 0.0.0.0 belongs to BPXOINIT(OMVS)
>
> Regards
> Jake
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Re: CBT File 120 - A new article - Member BM1912DE

2019-12-23 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 02:47:15 -0500 Arthur  wrote:

:>On 22 Dec 2019 12:23:25 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
:>(Message-ID:) 
:>t...@vse2pdf.com (Tony Thigpen) wrote:

:>>Any way you could just put a copy in a post to this list?

:>I've read the article. I think Sam made the right decision; 
:>I'd be happier if things like that stayed on CBT.` 

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