LCUs on spanned channels

2020-06-03 Thread Gord Neill
Hi,
Ran into an odd situation defining a storage box on spanned channels.  There 
are 26 LPARs in this CPU (z15), 12 in LCSS 0 and 14 in LCSS 1, running z/OS 
2.4. The storage box has 6 channel paths (01-06  FICON, spanned) directly 
connected (no switch) to this CPU, and there are 64 LCUs defined on the storage 
box. The limitation in the storage box is there can be no more than 1280 LCUs 
on any Host Adapter (read: CHPID).

In order to make this fit, in HCD we limit the paths from some LPARs in LCSS 0 
(high IOPS LPARs get 6, lower IOPS LPARs get 3) in the access list, and this 
works out to 960 LCUs behind each CHPID, as expected.  So far so good.  The odd 
thing arises when we start limiting LPAR access in LCSS 1.  Every CHPID sees 2 
times as many LCUs on it than expected.  For example, there are 3 LPARs that 
are limited to access CHPIDs 01, 02 and 03.  I would expect that CHPIDs 01, 02 
and 03 would each see 192 LCUs: 3 LPARs x 64 LCUs on each CHPID for 192 LCUs.  
What HCD reports is 384, not 192.  All other LPARs in LCSS 1 also show twice 
what we expect, and this pushes us over the 1280 limit.

When we reduce one of the 3-path LPARs on LCSS 1 from 3 paths to 1 path 
(changed access list from 04, 05, 06 to 06), the reduction should have been 64 
LCUs on CHPIDs 04 and 05, but instead we saw a reduction of 128 LCUs, i.e. 
twice what we expected.  To complicate things even more, channels 04 and 05 in 
LCSS 0 each got reduced by 64, but we didn't change anything in LCSS 0.

Has anybody run into this sort of thing before?

Gord Neill

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Re: No Java, in the archive, z/OS 2.3 Serverpac

2020-06-03 Thread Allan Staller
I used to be possible do download JAVA directly from IBM w/o going through 
Shopz. Check the JAVA pages at IBM.COM

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Semi long background. Our MFaaS provider did not migrate us to a host capable 
of running z/OS 2.3 until after z/OS 2.3 was no longer orderable. For 
USERKEYCSA reasons (Natural Global Buffer Pool, Natural out of support)), I 
don't really want to go to z/OS 2.4.
  Our MFaaS provider was able to get an archived z/OS 2.3 Serverpac from IBM. 
Unfortunately, it does not include Java. Also missing XML parser, but that's 
the next issue, maybe...

   So, I have z/OS 2.3, sans Java up and running. I want to do a RECEIVE ORDER 
and get, probably a bunch, of maintenance. RECEVE ORDER needs Java !!@#.
   Suggestions welcome. I have asked my MFaaS provider to see if they can order 
Java separately. I will look at BUILDMCS from my z/OS 2.1 zone(s) tomorrow. 
Open to other ideas.

   On a side note, the symlink to liberty that zOSMF wants to use is 17.0.0.3, 
by the level in the liberty_zos is 17.0.0.4. Also, an issue pushed down the 
stack

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Re: No Java, in the archive, z/OS 2.3 Serverpac

2020-06-03 Thread Mark Jacobs
But until then, you can use the non-SMPe java to perform your RECEIVE ORDER 
processing.

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On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 6:45 PM, Gibney, Dave  wrote:

> Can I then get it into SMPE, so I can maintain it using normal procedures?
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On
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> > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 3:42 PM
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> > Subject: Re: No Java, in the archive, z/OS 2.3 Serverpac
> > You should be able to download a non SMPe installable JAVA from here.
> > https://urldefense.com/v3/https://developer.ibm.com/javasdk/support/
> > zos/;!!JmPEgBY0HMszNaDT!5_HYTxytip244q6MzGoBD1duVuttQWSJo_ffW_h1PLBr8N-xP-Pa0JC2gTnXrQ$
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> > wrote:
> >
> > > Semi long background. Our MFaaS provider did not migrate us to a host
> > > capable of running z/OS 2.3 until after z/OS 2.3 was no longer orderable. 
> > > For
> > > USERKEYCSA reasons (Natural Global Buffer Pool, Natural out of support)), 
> > > I
> > > don't really want to go to z/OS 2.4.
> > > Our MFaaS provider was able to get an archived z/OS 2.3 Serverpac from
> > > IBM. Unfortunately, it does not include Java. Also missing XML parser, but
> > > that's the next issue, maybe...
> > > So, I have z/OS 2.3, sans Java up and running. I want to do a RECEIVE 
> > > ORDER
> > > and get, probably a bunch, of maintenance. RECEVE ORDER needs Java !!@#.
> > > Suggestions welcome. I have asked my MFaaS provider to see if they can
> > > order Java separately. I will look at BUILDMCS from my z/OS 2.1 zone(s)
> > > tomorrow. Open to other ideas.
> > > On a side note, the symlink to liberty that zOSMF wants to use is
> > > 17.0.0.3, by the level in the liberty_zos is 17.0.0.4. Also, an issue
> > > pushed down the stack
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Re: No Java, in the archive, z/OS 2.3 Serverpac

2020-06-03 Thread Mark Jacobs
Not using this, but your provider can order SMP/e Java from ShopZSeries. It's 
z/OS level independent.

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> Can I then get it into SMPE, so I can maintain it using normal procedures?
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On
> > Behalf Of Mark Jacobs
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 3:42 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: No Java, in the archive, z/OS 2.3 Serverpac
> > You should be able to download a non SMPe installable JAVA from here.
> > https://urldefense.com/v3/https://developer.ibm.com/javasdk/support/
> > zos/;!!JmPEgBY0HMszNaDT!5_HYTxytip244q6MzGoBD1duVuttQWSJo_ffW_h1PLBr8N-xP-Pa0JC2gTnXrQ$
> > Mark Jacobs
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> > On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 6:36 PM, Gibney, Dave gib...@wsu.edu
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Semi long background. Our MFaaS provider did not migrate us to a host
> > > capable of running z/OS 2.3 until after z/OS 2.3 was no longer orderable. 
> > > For
> > > USERKEYCSA reasons (Natural Global Buffer Pool, Natural out of support)), 
> > > I
> > > don't really want to go to z/OS 2.4.
> > > Our MFaaS provider was able to get an archived z/OS 2.3 Serverpac from
> > > IBM. Unfortunately, it does not include Java. Also missing XML parser, but
> > > that's the next issue, maybe...
> > > So, I have z/OS 2.3, sans Java up and running. I want to do a RECEIVE 
> > > ORDER
> > > and get, probably a bunch, of maintenance. RECEVE ORDER needs Java !!@#.
> > > Suggestions welcome. I have asked my MFaaS provider to see if they can
> > > order Java separately. I will look at BUILDMCS from my z/OS 2.1 zone(s)
> > > tomorrow. Open to other ideas.
> > > On a side note, the symlink to liberty that zOSMF wants to use is
> > > 17.0.0.3, by the level in the liberty_zos is 17.0.0.4. Also, an issue
> > > pushed down the stack
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Re: No Java, in the archive, z/OS 2.3 Serverpac

2020-06-03 Thread Gibney, Dave
Can I then  get it into SMPE, so I can maintain it using normal procedures?

> -Original Message-
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> 
> You should be able to download a non SMPe installable JAVA from here.
> 
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://developer.ibm.com/javasdk/support/
> zos/__;!!JmPEgBY0HMszNaDT!5_HYTxytip244q6MzGoBD1duVuttQWSJo_ff
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> 
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Wednesday, June 3, 2020 6:36 PM, Gibney, Dave 
> wrote:
> 
> > Semi long background. Our MFaaS provider did not migrate us to a host
> capable of running z/OS 2.3 until after z/OS 2.3 was no longer orderable. For
> USERKEYCSA reasons (Natural Global Buffer Pool, Natural out of support)), I
> don't really want to go to z/OS 2.4.
> > Our MFaaS provider was able to get an archived z/OS 2.3 Serverpac from
> IBM. Unfortunately, it does not include Java. Also missing XML parser, but
> that's the next issue, maybe...
> >
> > So, I have z/OS 2.3, sans Java up and running. I want to do a RECEIVE ORDER
> and get, probably a bunch, of maintenance. RECEVE ORDER needs Java !!@#.
> > Suggestions welcome. I have asked my MFaaS provider to see if they can
> order Java separately. I will look at BUILDMCS from my z/OS 2.1 zone(s)
> tomorrow. Open to other ideas.
> >
> > On a side note, the symlink to liberty that zOSMF wants to use is
> > 17.0.0.3, by the level in the liberty_zos is 17.0.0.4. Also, an issue
> > pushed down the stack
> >
> > Dave Gibney
> > Information Technology Services
> > Washington State University
> >
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Re: No Java, in the archive, z/OS 2.3 Serverpac

2020-06-03 Thread Mark Jacobs
You should be able to download a non SMPe installable JAVA from here.

https://developer.ibm.com/javasdk/support/zos/

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> Semi long background. Our MFaaS provider did not migrate us to a host capable 
> of running z/OS 2.3 until after z/OS 2.3 was no longer orderable. For 
> USERKEYCSA reasons (Natural Global Buffer Pool, Natural out of support)), I 
> don't really want to go to z/OS 2.4.
> Our MFaaS provider was able to get an archived z/OS 2.3 Serverpac from IBM. 
> Unfortunately, it does not include Java. Also missing XML parser, but that's 
> the next issue, maybe...
>
> So, I have z/OS 2.3, sans Java up and running. I want to do a RECEIVE ORDER 
> and get, probably a bunch, of maintenance. RECEVE ORDER needs Java !!@#.
> Suggestions welcome. I have asked my MFaaS provider to see if they can order 
> Java separately. I will look at BUILDMCS from my z/OS 2.1 zone(s) tomorrow. 
> Open to other ideas.
>
> On a side note, the symlink to liberty that zOSMF wants to use is 17.0.0.3, 
> by the level in the liberty_zos is 17.0.0.4. Also, an issue pushed down the 
> stack
>
> Dave Gibney
> Information Technology Services
> Washington State University
>
>
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Re: What is GRXBIMG

2020-06-03 Thread Charles Mills
A more interesting question might be "what happens if I do allocate it?" and at 
least for a simple test with ALLOC FI(GRXBIMG) DA(*) the answer seems to be 
"nothing special."

What might this be a relic of? GRX does not seem to be a component prefix. I 
could be wrong. 

Here's my theory: a developer whose initials were GR added some sort of debug 
output: GRXBIMG = George Rothwell's Extended Byte Image or something like that. 
It somehow made it into the product documentation. Astounding that it has 
hidden there in plain sight for over twenty years. 

I do not see the reference in the 1991 MVS/REXX Reference: 
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/370/TSO_Extensions/SC28-1883-4_TSO_Extensions_Version_2_Procedures_Langage_MVS_REXX_Reference_Aug1991.pdf
 

Charles


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On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 07:00:19 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:

>I must have time on my hands. I just dragged out the OS/390 V2R8 CDs from 
>1999, and the sentence is there verbatim.
>
>It's the only hit on GRXBIMG on CD #1.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Steve Smith
>Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 6:37 AM
>
>It's still there in V2R4... and I am appalled that I've been running REXX
>incorrectly for decades now.
>
I submitted a (slightly snarky) RCF on this:

Hello, MHVRCFs,

In: 
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.ikja300/tsorun.htm
• /OS 2.2.0
• z/OS TSO/E
• z/OS TSO/E REXX Reference
• Using REXX in different address spaces

I read: "... you must have ddname GRXBIMG allocated."

I'm curious.  Does:
   //GRXBIMG DD DUMMY
suffice, or must it be a PDS(E)?

What error is reported if the programmer fails to
allocate GRXBIMG?

Is this covered in M?

Thanks,
gil

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No Java, in the archive, z/OS 2.3 Serverpac

2020-06-03 Thread Gibney, Dave
Semi long background. Our MFaaS provider did not migrate us to a host capable 
of running z/OS 2.3 until after z/OS 2.3 was no longer orderable. For 
USERKEYCSA reasons (Natural Global Buffer Pool, Natural out of support)), I 
don't really want to go to z/OS 2.4.
  Our MFaaS provider was able to get an archived z/OS 2.3 Serverpac from IBM. 
Unfortunately, it does not include Java. Also missing XML parser, but that's 
the next issue, maybe...

   So, I have z/OS 2.3, sans Java up and running. I want to do a RECEIVE ORDER 
and get, probably a bunch, of maintenance. RECEVE ORDER needs Java !!@#.
   Suggestions welcome. I have asked my MFaaS provider to see if they can order 
Java separately. I will look at BUILDMCS from my z/OS 2.1 zone(s) tomorrow. 
Open to other ideas.

   On a side note, the symlink to liberty that zOSMF wants to use is 17.0.0.3, 
by the level in the liberty_zos is 17.0.0.4. Also, an issue pushed down the 
stack

Dave Gibney
Information Technology Services
Washington State University


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Re: Punched cards and character set

2020-06-03 Thread Steve Smith
I thought that vintage green (& other) cards had the actual card-punch rows
listed, and it turns out that is true:
http://weblog.ceicher.com/archives/IBM360greencard.pdf

sas


On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 4:10 PM Tom Marchant <
000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 16:58:03 -0500, Paul Gilmartin 
> wrote:
>
> >I don't understand the table at:
> >https://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~jones/cards/codes.html
> >
> >The column labels 12, 11, 10, (blank) appear redundantly on the
> >second and fourth quadrants.
>
> You might find the chart on page 150.3 of
>
> http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/princOps/A22-6821-7_360PrincOpsDec67.pdf
> to be easier to understand. The prior page describes how to read it.
>
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Re: Punched cards and character set

2020-06-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 15:10:20 -0500, Tom Marchant wrote:

>On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 16:58:03 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>
>>I don't understand the table at:
>>https://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~jones/cards/codes.html
>>
>>The column labels 12, 11, 10, (blank) appear redundantly on the
>>second and fourth quadrants.
> 
It seems to have omitted a couple rows of zone punches.

>You might find the chart on page 150.3 of
>http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/princOps/A22-6821-7_360PrincOpsDec67.pdf 
>to be easier to understand. The prior page describes how to read it.
>
Yes.  So lower case was discovered so long ago.  Barely after the
middle ages.

Thanks,
gil

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Re: Punched cards and character set

2020-06-03 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 16:58:03 -0500, Paul Gilmartin  wrote:

>I don't understand the table at:
>https://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~jones/cards/codes.html
>
>The column labels 12, 11, 10, (blank) appear redundantly on the
>second and fourth quadrants.

You might find the chart on page 150.3 of
http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/princOps/A22-6821-7_360PrincOpsDec67.pdf 
to be easier to understand. The prior page describes how to read it.

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Re: Base SYSPLEX setup

2020-06-03 Thread Seymour J Metz
AFAIK the only FICON cascading is FICON switch cascading.


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Wasn't there a thing known as FICON cascading? To allow multiple CU's on the 
same CHP?

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That's the right answer to the wrong question. Yes, you can share a chpid 
between LPARs without a switch, but you cannot share chpids between control 
units without a switch.


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 You cannot share chpid without the switch. It is point to point 
topology, not daisy chains like in Bus  

That is incorrect. I routine share channels across LPARs.

The purpose of the switch is to connect multiple physical CECs to a single 
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W dniu 03.06.2020 o 06:09, Brian Westerman pisze:
> no switches exist at the site.
>
> I can't see how to share the CTC and NON CTC Control units on a Ficon card, 
> it (HCD) keeps generating a message that you can't "share" CTC and NON CTC on 
>  the same CHPID, but maybe I'm doing something wrong.

You cannot share chpid without the switch. It is point to point topology, not 
daisy chains like in Bus
Note, second hand switch with 8Gbps speed can be purchased just for peanuts.
Regarding CTC, I think it is well documented. It was documented when I read 
about it years ago when I moved from ESCON to FICON.

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Re: TSO EXec syntax (was: ... ISPF publication)

2020-06-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 17:34:50 +0100, Jeremy Nicoll wrote:

>On Wed, 3 Jun 2020, at 16:57, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 15:45:53 +0100, Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
>
>> >The deficiency of EXec is that it does not use the standard load module
>> >search sequence for the member name.  Someone should submit an RFE
>> >for support of
>> >EXec *(blah)
>> >to use the standard exec search sequence for the member name similar
>> >to what was do[n]e for CALL within my memory: ...
>
>I don't see how you half-defend writing rubbish like
>
Ouch!

>"The deficiency of EXec is that it does not use the standard load module
>search sequence"
>
>by saying it's ok because you followed it with another vague (load-module
>related) statement about CALL.
> 
Picky, picky.

>I know my knowledge is long out of date, but doesn't EXEC already search
>either SYSPROC or also SYSEXEC depending on the setting of
>
>EXECUTIL SEARCHDD(YES)
>
>or does that only affect implicit (ie %thing)  calls?
>
Implicit.  Still need enhancement for EXec:
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.ikjc500/ikj2l2_EXECUTIL_command_operands.htm
SEARCHDD(YES | NO)
specifies whether the system exec library (the default is SYSEXEC) should
be searched when execs are implicitly invoked.

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Re: How to create two output files in DFSORT

2020-06-03 Thread Sri h Kolusu
> OK everyone...I figured it out...my problem is that I was BUILDing over
> top of the existing data. I just added the PARSEd fields in the INREC to
> the end of the record, and moved the INCLUDE to OUTFIL.


Billy,

Glad you figured it out.  It is always preferable to put the temporary
fields at the end of the record using OVERLAY.  This would let you have the
original data as is.  The only issue with this approach is when dealing
with Variable Length files and you want to preserve the lengths. By adding
the temp fields at the end you make every record the same length which
defeats the purpose of variable length records.  For VLR you put the temp
field right after the RDW and move the contents to the right.

Thanks,
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Re: How to create two output files in DFSORT

2020-06-03 Thread Billy Ashton
OK everyone...I figured it out...my problem is that I was BUILDing over 
top of the existing data. I just added the PARSEd fields in the INREC to 
the end of the record, and moved the INCLUDE to OUTFIL. I could then add 
an OUTFIL FILES=(00),BUILD=(1,160) to get only the original record.


Sorry to have bothered all y'all!

Billy

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Hi folks!

Today's SORT challenge:
I am reading a temporary file for input, created in an earlier jobstep. 
I am using

OPTION COPY
INCLUDE COND=.
INREC IFTHEN=

OUTREC ...,
IFTHEN=...

This keeps only the records I want to reformat, and creates a nice 
output file of commands. However, in order to debug this, I need to see 
the whole input file. I tried adding

OPTION COPY
OUTFIL FILES=(00)
to dump everything into SORTOF00, but it still follows my INREC BUILD 
processing.


The question, is there a way to have SORT dump the entire input file to 
SYSOUT as it was input, without all my manipulations, and to also do 
the above BUILD processes?


Thanks for your patience!
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Re: TSO EXec syntax (was: ... ISPF publication)

2020-06-03 Thread Jeremy Nicoll
On Wed, 3 Jun 2020, at 16:57, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 15:45:53 +0100, Jeremy Nicoll wrote:

> >How would it be useful if it did?  Which load module library is going to
> >contain a CLIST or REXX exec?
> >
> I stand half corrected.  Four line later, in text you trimmed:

- which I trimmed because it also seemed to relate to a load-module
search sequence, for CALL - how could that be relevant?

> >The deficiency of EXec is that it does not use the standard load module
> >search sequence for the member name.  Someone should submit an RFE
> >for support of
> >EXec *(blah)
> >to use the standard exec search sequence for the member name similar
> >to what was do[n]e for CALL within my memory: ...

I don't see how you half-defend writing rubbish like

"The deficiency of EXec is that it does not use the standard load module
search sequence"

by saying it's ok because you followed it with another vague (load-module
related) statement about CALL.


I know my knowledge is long out of date, but doesn't EXEC already search 
either SYSPROC or also SYSEXEC depending on the setting of 

EXECUTIL SEARCHDD(YES)

or does that only affect implicit (ie %thing)  calls?

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Re: What is GRXBIMG

2020-06-03 Thread Charles Mills
You are a bad boy!

You failed to ask if it can be a ZFS path, and if not, why not? Perhaps an RFE 
is in order?

Charles


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Subject: Re: What is GRXBIMG

On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 07:00:19 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:

>I must have time on my hands. I just dragged out the OS/390 V2R8 CDs from 
>1999, and the sentence is there verbatim.
>
>It's the only hit on GRXBIMG on CD #1.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Steve Smith
>Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 6:37 AM
>
>It's still there in V2R4... and I am appalled that I've been running REXX
>incorrectly for decades now.
>
I submitted a (slightly snarky) RCF on this:

Hello, MHVRCFs,

In: 
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.ikja300/tsorun.htm
• /OS 2.2.0
• z/OS TSO/E
• z/OS TSO/E REXX Reference
• Using REXX in different address spaces

I read: "... you must have ddname GRXBIMG allocated."

I'm curious.  Does:
   //GRXBIMG DD DUMMY
suffice, or must it be a PDS(E)?

What error is reported if the programmer fails to
allocate GRXBIMG?

Is this covered in M?

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Re: How to create two output files in DFSORT

2020-06-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 16:12:33 +, Billy Ashton wrote:
>
>Today's SORT challenge:
>I am reading a temporary file for input, created in an earlier jobstep. 
>I am using
>OPTION COPY
>INCLUDE COND=.
>INREC IFTHEN=
>
>OUTREC ...,
>IFTHEN=...
>
>This keeps only the records I want to reformat, and creates a nice 
>output file of commands. However, in order to debug this, I need to see 
>the whole input file. ...
>
/bin/tee?

Otherwise insert an IEBGENER step to dump your temp flle.

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Re: What is GRXBIMG

2020-06-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 07:00:19 -0700, Charles Mills wrote:

>I must have time on my hands. I just dragged out the OS/390 V2R8 CDs from 
>1999, and the sentence is there verbatim.
>
>It's the only hit on GRXBIMG on CD #1.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Steve Smith
>Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 6:37 AM
>
>It's still there in V2R4... and I am appalled that I've been running REXX
>incorrectly for decades now.
>
I submitted a (slightly snarky) RCF on this:

Hello, MHVRCFs,

In: 
https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.2.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r2.ikja300/tsorun.htm
• /OS 2.2.0
• z/OS TSO/E
• z/OS TSO/E REXX Reference
• Using REXX in different address spaces

I read: "... you must have ddname GRXBIMG allocated."

I'm curious.  Does:
   //GRXBIMG DD DUMMY
suffice, or must it be a PDS(E)?

What error is reported if the programmer fails to
allocate GRXBIMG?

Is this covered in M?

Thanks,
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How to create two output files in DFSORT

2020-06-03 Thread Billy Ashton

Hi folks!

Today's SORT challenge:
I am reading a temporary file for input, created in an earlier jobstep. 
I am using

OPTION COPY
INCLUDE COND=.
INREC IFTHEN=

OUTREC ...,
IFTHEN=...

This keeps only the records I want to reformat, and creates a nice 
output file of commands. However, in order to debug this, I need to see 
the whole input file. I tried adding

OPTION COPY
OUTFIL FILES=(00)
to dump everything into SORTOF00, but it still follows my INREC BUILD 
processing.


The question, is there a way to have SORT dump the entire input file to 
SYSOUT as it was input, without all my manipulations, and to also do the 
above BUILD processes?


Thanks for your patience!
Billy


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Re: TSO EXec syntax (was: ... ISPF publication)

2020-06-03 Thread Binyamin Dissen
Because EXEC does not invoke a load module. 

"

On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 09:21:46 -0500 Paul Gilmartin
<000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

:>On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 23:44:50 -0400, Steve Smith wrote:
:>
:>>I'm not sure this is relevant, but today I ran into this:
:>>
:>>EX 'yadda.zadda.exec(blah)' ',,foo'  /* works */
:>>
:>>but
:>>
:>>%blah ,,foo /* does not work */
:>>
:>>"blah" starts with
:>>
:>>parse arg a ',' b ',' c
:>>
:>>The leading commas disappear with the so-called indirect invocation, ...
:>>
:>The deficiency of EXec is that it does not use the standard load module
:>search sequence for the member name.  Someone should submit an RFE
:>for support of
:>EXec *(blah)
:>to use the standard exec search sequence for the member name similar
:>to what was doe for CALL within my memory:
:>
:>https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.ikjc500/ikj2l2_CALL_command_operands.htm
:>
:>CALL command operands
:>z/OS TSO/E Command Reference
:>SA32-0975-00 
:>
:>dsname
:>specifies the name of a PDS or a PDSE from which the program 
:>is to be executed. If dsname is not fully qualified, it is 
:>assumed to be 'prefix.dsname.LOAD'.
:>*
:>specifies that CALL should use the standard load module search 
:>sequence for the member name.
:>
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Re: TSO EXec syntax (was: ... ISPF publication)

2020-06-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 15:45:53 +0100, Jeremy Nicoll wrote:

>On Wed, 3 Jun 2020, at 15:21, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>
>> The deficiency of EXec is that it does not use the standard load module
>> search sequence for the member name.
>
>How would it be useful if it did?  Which load module library is going to
>contain a CLIST or REXX exec?
>
I stand half corrected.  Four line later, in text you trimmed:

On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 09:21:46 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>
>The deficiency of EXec is that it does not use the standard load module
>search sequence for the member name.  Someone should submit an RFE
>for support of
>EXec *(blah)
>to use the standard exec search sequence for the member name similar
>to what was do[n]e for CALL within my memory: ...

I got it right.

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Re: Base SYSPLEX setup

2020-06-03 Thread Allan Staller
Wasn't there a thing known as FICON cascading? To allow multiple CU's on the 
same CHP?

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That's the right answer to the wrong question. Yes, you can share a chpid 
between LPARs without a switch, but you cannot share chpids between control 
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 You cannot share chpid without the switch. It is point to point 
topology, not daisy chains like in Bus  

That is incorrect. I routine share channels across LPARs.

The purpose of the switch is to connect multiple physical CECs to a single 
device.


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W dniu 03.06.2020 o 06:09, Brian Westerman pisze:
> no switches exist at the site.
>
> I can't see how to share the CTC and NON CTC Control units on a Ficon card, 
> it (HCD) keeps generating a message that you can't "share" CTC and NON CTC on 
>  the same CHPID, but maybe I'm doing something wrong.

You cannot share chpid without the switch. It is point to point topology, not 
daisy chains like in Bus
Note, second hand switch with 8Gbps speed can be purchased just for peanuts.
Regarding CTC, I think it is well documented. It was documented when I read 
about it years ago when I moved from ESCON to FICON.

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Re: Base SYSPLEX setup

2020-06-03 Thread Seymour J Metz
That's the right answer to the wrong question. Yes, you can share a chpid 
between LPARs without a switch, but you cannot share chpids between control 
units without a switch.


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Subject: Re: Base SYSPLEX setup

 You cannot share chpid without the switch. It is point to point 
topology, not daisy chains like in Bus  

That is incorrect. I routine share channels across LPARs.

The purpose of the switch is to connect multiple physical CECs to a single 
device.


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W dniu 03.06.2020 o 06:09, Brian Westerman pisze:
> no switches exist at the site.
>
> I can't see how to share the CTC and NON CTC Control units on a Ficon card, 
> it (HCD) keeps generating a message that you can't "share" CTC and NON CTC on 
>  the same CHPID, but maybe I'm doing something wrong.

You cannot share chpid without the switch. It is point to point topology, not 
daisy chains like in Bus
Note, second hand switch with 8Gbps speed can be purchased just for peanuts.
Regarding CTC, I think it is well documented. It was documented when I read 
about it years ago when I moved from ESCON to FICON.

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Re: Base SYSPLEX setup

2020-06-03 Thread Seymour J Metz
> 
We have lots of multiple CU's on a channel,

Without a switch?


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On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 13:05:11 +, Allan Staller  wrote:

> You cannot share chpid without the switch. It is point to point 
>topology, not daisy chains like in Bus  
>
>That is incorrect. I routine share ahannels across LPARs.
>
>The purpose of the switch is to concect multiple physical CECs to a single 
>device.
>

We have lots of multiple CU's on a channel, thats what CUADD is for.

When I try what Brian is doing,  I receive msgCBDG198 (which there is no help 
panel,  have to find it in the KC):

CBDG198I   There is a mix of FCTC and non-FCTC control units on channel path 
proc_id.chpid. Control units: cu_number1, cu_number2
Explanation
All control units on the same channel path without dynamic switch must be 
either all FCTC control units, or none of the control units must be an FCTC 
control unit.

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Re: TSO EXec syntax (was: ... ISPF publication)

2020-06-03 Thread Jeremy Nicoll
On Wed, 3 Jun 2020, at 15:21, Paul Gilmartin wrote:

> The deficiency of EXec is that it does not use the standard load module
> search sequence for the member name.  

How would it be useful if it did?  Which load module library is going to 
contain a CLIST or REXX exec?

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TSO EXec syntax (was: ... ISPF publication)

2020-06-03 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 23:44:50 -0400, Steve Smith wrote:

>I'm not sure this is relevant, but today I ran into this:
>
>EX 'yadda.zadda.exec(blah)' ',,foo'  /* works */
>
>but
>
>%blah ,,foo /* does not work */
>
>"blah" starts with
>
>parse arg a ',' b ',' c
>
>The leading commas disappear with the so-called indirect invocation, ...
>
The deficiency of EXec is that it does not use the standard load module
search sequence for the member name.  Someone should submit an RFE
for support of
EXec *(blah)
to use the standard exec search sequence for the member name similar
to what was doe for CALL within my memory:

https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.ikjc500/ikj2l2_CALL_command_operands.htm

CALL command operands
z/OS TSO/E Command Reference
SA32-0975-00 

dsname
specifies the name of a PDS or a PDSE from which the program 
is to be executed. If dsname is not fully qualified, it is 
assumed to be 'prefix.dsname.LOAD'.
*
specifies that CALL should use the standard load module search 
sequence for the member name.

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Re: Sort extracting values in PDS members

2020-06-03 Thread Billy Ashton
Hi Kolusu, I was finally able to get to this, and it works great for 
what I need!


Thanks!
Billy


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Billy,

On second thoughts, We can optimize to parse everything in a single parse.
Use the following control cards


//SYSINDD *
  OPTION COPY
  INCLUDE COND=(02,80,SS,EQ,C'KEYWORD1',OR,
02,80,SS,EQ,C'LONGKEYWORD2')

  INREC IFOUTLEN=80,
IFTHEN=(WHEN=(01,80,SS,EQ,C'KEYWORD1',OR,
  01,80,SS,EQ,C'LONGKEYWORD2'),
 PARSE=(%01=(STARTAT=C'KEYWORD1',
 STARTAT=C'LONGKEYWORD2',
 ENDBEFR=C'(',
  FIXLEN=16),
%02=(ENDBEFR=C')',
  FIXLEN=16)),
 BUILD=(%02,JFY=(SHIFT=LEFT),
C'.',
%01,JFY=(SHIFT=LEFT),
C'.',
DATE1),HIT=NEXT),
IFTHEN=(WHEN=ANY,
 BUILD=(1,80,SQZ=(SHIFT=LEFT)))
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Re: What is GRXBIMG

2020-06-03 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Maybe someone with the entire CBT tape unloaded might find a hit. There is a 
lot of old code out there...

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I must have time on my hands. I just dragged out the OS/390 V2R8 CDs from 1999, 
and the sentence is there verbatim.

It's the only hit on GRXBIMG on CD #1.

Charles


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It's still there in V2R4... and I am appalled that I've been running REXX 
incorrectly for decades now.

sas


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> Fascinating!
>
> I'm looking at a V1R4 TSO/E Rexx manual and the sentence is in there.
> Chapter 8, Using Rexx in Different Address Spaces.
>
> Charles
>
>
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> Subject: What is GRXBIMG
>
> In the REXX Reference I saw this: "You can invoke a REXX exec in the 
> TSO/E address space in several ways. To invoke an exec in TSO/E 
> foreground, use the TSO/E EXEC command processor to either implicitly 
> or explicitly invoke the exec and you must have ddname GRXBIMG 
> allocated." What is GRXBIMG?
>
>
>
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Re: What is GRXBIMG

2020-06-03 Thread Charles Mills
I must have time on my hands. I just dragged out the OS/390 V2R8 CDs from 1999, 
and the sentence is there verbatim.

It's the only hit on GRXBIMG on CD #1.

Charles


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Of Steve Smith
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Subject: Re: What is GRXBIMG

It's still there in V2R4... and I am appalled that I've been running REXX
incorrectly for decades now.

sas


On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 9:35 AM Charles Mills  wrote:

> Fascinating!
>
> I'm looking at a V1R4 TSO/E Rexx manual and the sentence is in there.
> Chapter 8, Using Rexx in Different Address Spaces.
>
> Charles
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Seymour J Metz
> Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 9:31 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: What is GRXBIMG
>
> In the REXX Reference I saw this: "You can invoke a REXX exec in the TSO/E
> address space in several ways. To invoke an exec in TSO/E
> foreground, use the TSO/E EXEC command processor to either implicitly or
> explicitly invoke the exec and
> you must have ddname GRXBIMG allocated." What is GRXBIMG?
>
>
>
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Re: Base SYSPLEX setup

2020-06-03 Thread Dana Mitchell
On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 13:01:50 +, Allan Staller  wrote:

>4 ficon ports(CHPIDs)  and 2 ficon cables are required. Each cable is shared 
>in a bi-directional manner.
>
>e.g CTCchipd1  <>  chpid2 CNC   Signalling Path 1
>  CNCchpid3  <> chpid4  CTC Signalling Path 2
>

With FICON channels its a little simpler than that,  both sides are channel 
type FC,  and cu type FCTC,   No need to distinguish CTC/CNC anymore, yay!

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Re: Base SYSPLEX setup

2020-06-03 Thread R.S.
Note: CTC and CNC are from ESCON world. Ideed, that required different 
CHP definition on each end.

Nowadays we have FICON and FC chpid definition on each end.

The topology may be
FC CHP 1A  FC CHP 1B
or
FC CHP 1A  switch.

1A and 1B ard example values of th CHPID.

Of course for redundancy any of examples above can be doubled, tripled, 
quadrupled...


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W dniu 03.06.2020 o 15:01, Allan Staller pisze:

4 ficon ports(CHPIDs)  and 2 ficon cables are required. Each cable is shared in 
a bi-directional manner.

e.g CTCchipd1  <>  chpid2 CNC   Signalling Path 1
   CNCchpid3  <> chpid4  CTC Signalling Path 2

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no switches exist at the site.

I can't see how to share the CTC and NON CTC Control units on a Ficon card, it (HCD) 
keeps generating a message that you can't "share" CTC and NON CTC on  the same 
CHPID, but maybe I'm doing something wrong.




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Re: Base SYSPLEX setup

2020-06-03 Thread Dana Mitchell
On Wed, 3 Jun 2020 13:05:11 +, Allan Staller  wrote:

> You cannot share chpid without the switch. It is point to point 
>topology, not daisy chains like in Bus  
>
>That is incorrect. I routine share ahannels across LPARs.
>
>The purpose of the switch is to concect multiple physical CECs to a single 
>device.
>

We have lots of multiple CU's on a channel, thats what CUADD is for.

When I try what Brian is doing,  I receive msgCBDG198 (which there is no help 
panel,  have to find it in the KC):

CBDG198I   There is a mix of FCTC and non-FCTC control units on channel path 
proc_id.chpid. Control units: cu_number1, cu_number2
Explanation
All control units on the same channel path without dynamic switch must be 
either all FCTC control units, or none of the control units must be an FCTC 
control unit.

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Re: Base SYSPLEX setup

2020-06-03 Thread R.S.

W dniu 03.06.2020 o 15:05, Allan Staller pisze:

 You cannot share chpid without the switch. It is point to point topology, not 
daisy chains like in Bus  

That is incorrect. I routine share channels across LPARs.

The purpose of the switch is to connect multiple physical CECs to a single 
device.


Yes, it is incorrect. Linguistically incorrect.
And I sustain what I said (or wanted to say) using my poor English, so 
let me rephrase it:
FICON chpid can be share between LPARs. Or even spanned - that mean 
share betwenn LPARs belonging to different CSSes.
FICON can be used to attach multiple CUs, like two DASD boxes, or DASD 
and tape (not recommended, but possible). In order to do that you have 
to use switch.
And the above is the only method to have CTC on FICON chpid, which is 
also used for other CU connectivity (like DASD or tape).


Your purpose of the switch is also valid, however in this scenario the 
CU may have more channel adapters and each CPC may use point-to-point 
connectivity directly to a CU. It is especially reasonable when given CU 
has more than 8 channel adapters, i.e. 16. In that scenario CPC A may 
use 8 channels (max. limit), and CPC B may use other 8 channels.


Back to the topic it is impossible to share FC chpid for CU connectivity 
and CTC *without the switch*.



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Re: What is GRXBIMG

2020-06-03 Thread Steve Smith
It's still there in V2R4... and I am appalled that I've been running REXX
incorrectly for decades now.

sas


On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 9:35 AM Charles Mills  wrote:

> Fascinating!
>
> I'm looking at a V1R4 TSO/E Rexx manual and the sentence is in there.
> Chapter 8, Using Rexx in Different Address Spaces.
>
> Charles
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Seymour J Metz
> Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 9:31 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: What is GRXBIMG
>
> In the REXX Reference I saw this: "You can invoke a REXX exec in the TSO/E
> address space in several ways. To invoke an exec in TSO/E
> foreground, use the TSO/E EXEC command processor to either implicitly or
> explicitly invoke the exec and
> you must have ddname GRXBIMG allocated." What is GRXBIMG?
>
>
>
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>
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Re: What is GRXBIMG

2020-06-03 Thread Charles Mills
Fascinating!

I'm looking at a V1R4 TSO/E Rexx manual and the sentence is in there.
Chapter 8, Using Rexx in Different Address Spaces.

Charles


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In the REXX Reference I saw this: "You can invoke a REXX exec in the TSO/E
address space in several ways. To invoke an exec in TSO/E
foreground, use the TSO/E EXEC command processor to either implicitly or
explicitly invoke the exec and
you must have ddname GRXBIMG allocated." What is GRXBIMG?



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Re: Base SYSPLEX setup

2020-06-03 Thread Allan Staller
 You cannot share chpid without the switch. It is point to point 
topology, not daisy chains like in Bus  

That is incorrect. I routine share channels across LPARs.

The purpose of the switch is to connect multiple physical CECs to a single 
device.


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W dniu 03.06.2020 o 06:09, Brian Westerman pisze:
> no switches exist at the site.
>
> I can't see how to share the CTC and NON CTC Control units on a Ficon card, 
> it (HCD) keeps generating a message that you can't "share" CTC and NON CTC on 
>  the same CHPID, but maybe I'm doing something wrong.

You cannot share chpid without the switch. It is point to point topology, not 
daisy chains like in Bus
Note, second hand switch with 8Gbps speed can be purchased just for peanuts.
Regarding CTC, I think it is well documented. It was documented when I read 
about it years ago when I moved from ESCON to FICON.

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Re: Base SYSPLEX setup

2020-06-03 Thread Allan Staller
4 ficon ports(CHPIDs)  and 2 ficon cables are required. Each cable is shared in 
a bi-directional manner.

e.g CTCchipd1  <>  chpid2 CNC   Signalling Path 1
  CNCchpid3  <> chpid4  CTC Signalling Path 2

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no switches exist at the site.

I can't see how to share the CTC and NON CTC Control units on a Ficon card, it 
(HCD) keeps generating a message that you can't "share" CTC and NON CTC on  the 
same CHPID, but maybe I'm doing something wrong.

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Re: Base SYSPLEX setup

2020-06-03 Thread R.S.

W dniu 03.06.2020 o 06:09, Brian Westerman pisze:

no switches exist at the site.

I can't see how to share the CTC and NON CTC Control units on a Ficon card, it (HCD) 
keeps generating a message that you can't "share" CTC and NON CTC on  the same 
CHPID, but maybe I'm doing something wrong.


You cannot share chpid without the switch. It is point to point 
topology, not daisy chains like in Bus

Note, second hand switch with 8Gbps speed can be purchased just for peanuts.
Regarding CTC, I think it is well documented. It was documented when I 
read about it years ago when I moved from ESCON to FICON.


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Re: Extending the /tmp file system

2020-06-03 Thread Gadi Ben-Avi
Thanks

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Hello Gadi - Only a TFS running as a colony address space can be extended - see 
the chapter "Managing the temporary file system (TFS)" in the z/OS UNIX 
Planning manual.

https://www-01.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zOSV2R3ga320884/$file/bpxb200_v2r3.pdf


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Re: FW: Your comment on ISPF publication

2020-06-03 Thread Binyamin Dissen
It would appear that IKJSCAN considers leading commas to be similar to leading
blanks in ignoring them when calculating the parameter offset.

TSO/E Programming Services states:

The Command Scan Service Routine examines the command buffer and performs the
following functions:

It translates all lowercase characters in the subcommand name to
uppercase.
If a valid operand is present, it resets the offset to the number of text
bytes preceding the first non-blank character in the operand field. If a valid
operand is not present, the offset equals the length of the text portion of
the buffer.
It returns a pointer to the subcommand name, the length of the subcommand
name, and a code explaining the results of its scan to the calling routine.
It optionally checks the syntax of the subcommand name.
It recognizes an implicit EXEC command that has a percent sign as the
first character.
It handles leading blanks and embedded comments.

It appears that the second clause is not precise. Probably will be closed by
IBM with a DOC APAR.


On Tue, 2 Jun 2020 23:44:50 -0400 Steve Smith  wrote:

:>I'm not sure this is relevant, but today I ran into this:
:>
:>EX 'yadda.zadda.exec(blah)' ',,foo'  /* works */
:>
:>but
:>
:>%blah ,,foo /* does not work */
:>
:>"blah" starts with
:>
:>parse arg a ',' b ',' c
:>
:>The leading commas disappear with the so-called indirect invocation, and so
:>'foo' is assigned to a, not c.  According to the REXX reference, this is
:>what TSO does.  For some reason.  I'm sure it's a good reason.  Possibly a
:>really good and wonderful reason.  But it interferes somewhat with
:>maintaining my sanity.
:>
:>sas
:>
:>On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 11:28 PM Seymour J Metz  wrote:
:>
:>> Does anybody know of other characters that are problematical in the TSO
:>> command?
:>>
:>>
:>> --
:>> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
:>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
:>>
:>>
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