Re: Load Module Search Libs

[Mike Schwab]

https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/ibm-mq/9.0?topic=mq-update-zos-link-list-lpa

SETPROG LPA,ADD,MODNAME=(xxx),DSNAME=hlq.lpalib

On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 3:56 AM Joseph Reichman  wrote:
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> Hi
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>
>
> I added two load modules successfully using CSVDYLPA and later got a BLDL
> FAILED for that module DCB NOT OPEN when trying to link to that module
>
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> I thought once added to LPA its in the system search path
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Re: Serverpac installs January 2022 and beyond - Issues

[Bruce Hewson]

Hello Barbara,

Those files are not stored in EBCDIC. I used ISPF 3.17 to View the files using 
the UTF-8 option. Then you can see the XML source.

On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 00:05:07 -0500, Barbara Nitz  wrote:

>Now Marna tells us the ptfs where it can be found. That little tidbit of 
>information hadn't made it to my corner of the world. We do have oa60711 
>installed, but when I check the path /usr/lpp/bcp/upgrade, that is not a 
>readable format. It can probably only be read using zOSMF so it is useless to 
>someone without zOSMF up and running who uses the serverpac.
>

>Barbara

Regards
Bruce

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IBM configuration assistant download

[Jake Anderson]

Hello

Cross posted

Is there still uses IBM configuration assistant to deploy TTLS policy while
I understand zOSMF has the capability to do the same. For educational
purposes I am looking for IBM configuration assistant tool wizard.

Can someone please point me in the right direction?

Jake

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Load Module Search Libs

[Joseph Reichman]

Hi

 

I added two load modules successfully using CSVDYLPA and later got a BLDL
FAILED for that module DCB NOT OPEN when trying to link to that module

 

I thought once added to LPA its in the system search path

 

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Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

[Seymour J Metz]

I get a bunch of hits on discussions, which wiki wouldn't consider reliable. 
Could you provide URLs for the SHARE and academic references? Thanks.


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Charles Mills 
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Subject: Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

I Googled 2321 noodle picker and got a bunch of hits.

I just started to paste them here but they are Google links as long as your
arm. Just Google <2321 noodle picker>. Also .

Here it is in a "printed newspaper":
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1IV9S5J8m0txW4qG18jH6pVkspIk-15BI5QOyjvmSLLzKpGOi_xD8Eh70aeqiWl5vSXX2E_LwtxndId2o6ZDCZFM-e3M72yhMsWXaLcy2B6xnknxOfOcDW6PrTITkVI7IxyGRudO_GcnjYygn2zPkiDW3-OVE0R9JKBRj6McavhKseNGoMjsHSH2w7qHFJPig5ISroKQjn_fJNyDx3420G8dBIyq9U4gJ4gdbdgDxT8-iPC3r4q4ZKbCC9t2uT7xzbOopQZO78TBZW0OSkvltXLG5dtZS0oRDKci3E99f14dJFQQ44jpTR83erVDaEf5nVPw0HptGF8MajXWM8g04pKdvevNAK3Qw69sUezopTMSs2AKHaPHLOEkfpg0MWHoGQI9FPhtSsrtaD-Aq1fL7bTojY3tz18XpkyePv8NJYFtIXPJr4oaFQTnYnGH5w1-I/https%3A%2F%2Fforums.theregister.com%2Fpost%2F637087

I found a SHARE presentation and some academic Web site.

Charles


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Subject: Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

Wiki has some strange rules, and they prefer secondary sources. To me that
sound like a way for errors to creep in, but those are the rules. Anything
printed in a trade journal should work. Could there be something in annals
of computing?

In general, I've found wiki to be a hostile working environment, due to the
lack of an effective dispute resolution mechanism,  and I am concentrating
on software-related articles, where I haven't run into as many issues with
other editors.


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Subject: Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

On 10/29/21 2:27 PM, Doug wrote:
> You mean besides the act that we lived through that time, I fixed them,
> and everyone I knew that had any knowledge of them at all called the
> 2321 a "noodle picker?'

Is there any chance that an interview / statement from one or more
people with first hand experience during the 2321's heyday would count?

I don't think there is any reliable source for calling a modem
connection sequence "sounds like a duck choking on a kazoo" either.  Yet
I know many people that have used that expression.  Maybe describe it as
a colloquialism.

There are many things in history that people are not proud of.  But the
dislike thereof doesn't mean that they didn't happen.



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Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

[Seymour J Metz]

I never met anybody who talked about the 2321 and didn't use the terms.


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Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 11:41 AM
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Subject: Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

>From:Seymour J Metz 
>Subject: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

>One of the wiki editors has removed mention of the term "noodle picker"
from [[IBM 2321 Data Cell]] with the explanation >"Really remove
unreferenced OR". Does anybody have a reliaible source for this usage that
I can cite?

I doubt there is an "official"source for this term, but it was a commonly
used slang term at the time.

(This comment is from an old old timer who actually programmed and used a
noodle picker a long time ago. One thing we learned early: if possible,
keep datasets open and avoid the need to access a VTOC often. )

Bill Ogden


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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

[Seymour J Metz]

It may not be everything I want, but IMHO it's a major improvement. It's much 
more affordable for HS and college students than ZD


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Pommier, Rex 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 8:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

Reading this thread it almost seems to me like "zDNT" learner's edition is an 
acronym for zDoNotTry.  I hope I'm wrong because I want to retire some day and 
when I do, it would be fun to have a cheap z/OS learning system/playground to 
learn about all the stuff my daytime job doesn't offer me the time to do.

Rex

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Laurence Chiu
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 4:00 PM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

I used my personal email account and yet it looked like the IBM rep who emailed 
me back is associated with the large corporate bank that I'm currently working 
for even though I didn't use a work email account nor identify myself as such. 
And I'm not working on the mainframe side with this bank. Spoke to some 
colleagues about this and they said IBM knows who you are no matter what 
identity you use :-)

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 12:53 AM Mark Regan  wrote:

> I put in my request on Oct. 21st and still have not heard back from
> IBM except for the autoresponse email saying that someone from sales
> will contact me.
> Regards,
>
> Mark Regan, K8MTR
>
> *CTO1 USNR-Retired, 1969-1991*
> *Nationwide Insurance, Retired, 1986-2017*
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 5:40 AM Laurence Chiu  wrote:
>
> > I just received information from IBM directly on the product.
> > Currently it's on a dark launch in the US only but once that has
> > been sorted out it will be made available to the rest of the world by the 
> > end of the year.
> >
> > T's include (I was only provided an image of the T's and I can't
> > post this here since apparently the forum strips out images.  But in
> > essence they are
> >
> > *What is it?*
> > Provide an affordable ZD for individual enterprise developers who
> > want
> to
> > develop z/OS skills to be part of the mainframe ecosystem and
> > support
> them
> > in their career success
> >
> > *How*
> >
> > Offering access to ZD at $120/year to vetted, advanced users for
> > educational purposes
> >
> > *Vetting Criteria*
> >
> > z/OS Practitioner badge and Master the Mainframe training complete
> >
> > OR
> >
> > 1-3 years of sysadmin or system programmer experience [ I would
> > imagine most people on this mailing list would easily fall into this
> > category
> :-) ]
> >
> > *Targeted Segments*
> >
> > z/OS students and hobbyists who want a personalised zD for
> > learning purposes and support their career success.
> >
> > As an aside,  while most of my  systems programmer experience has
> > been in DB2, IMS and VM,  I would like to dabble in CICS or if they
> > offer it,
> look
> > at parallel sysplex. It's not my current day job and hasn't been for
> > many moons so it would be great to get back into into for kicks
> > (CICS :-) )
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 6:41 AM Lionel B. Dyck  wrote:
> >
> > > The T's's explicitly state that it is to be used for learning
> > > and may NOT be used for any kind of development - including Open Source.
> > >
> > > I've confirmed that with two sources.
> > >
> > > Disappointing ☹
> > >
> > >
> > > Lionel B. Dyck <><
> > > Website:
> > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1kbjrzPXF00guCKZDYREwOtcaVVVs64hjbk4EMhNU9NXLU_Yd_oBVPvhO-Xxec2-m4Ca7onoZ40ZxY9-ONAoy30PKnT-_CdNoiu8xizchhkr4TPYSo8DZ83E884OyUSBfJ4tNq4F6Z48SzTpjLYmNC6DQV4QMbKckacjhJLdEO4YEeZeiPvK44ckMGXnEiHnxm6wr7ZEqIAAgrktV9kWj5wfOlt_e1eUuf4_jh1JuKK6mFPYiQbzlJU_u1RafqDkii-MWgk91PeuvHqfaG1jw3cfcZJiHuJsI9KL8JUUFmB1CHvrBOnNeAO_rFWL8blBED7GaQeXZkarZ0TFWy-jNdQFClCiOc106ea6kGho9AbF3D_xWLUa07xQ7HGYkq0kb0tEiCme5GvFrlsYxTLtoGPdtuo3jAYgEhrvcHzPlauyVGmDnts5mT2fYlb1l1HeX5tLHHkdxIk2huuBIrz7kUA/https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lbdsoftware.com__%3B%21%21KjMRP1
> > > Ixj6eLE0Fj!-wlHR_Jkmoa3P6wlu3JetttTK7kx19cJoWVgsE02-rE1tJ_3MakrwO4
> > > CSaoQQbix8A$
> > > Github:
> > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1ZV53YPlzPrh70LmaF9PVzNZULvZkEuNkgdJfG7kkaWM-otQoNJj_Vh6emzOy5mmPkbqoVTqzAK0ESE-ihvvAyMJbr8Ks22cYyC40tJLPpub5hiIhqbn98aoj5HyTmxv4kysEM4U7tCAg8LfHwyF7u91Ln0h2hr-Dbh2_DwKQgotsMaY7OTmeU8HjoP-igG-okTQObTytUU3xTvI83yOsq5uQ2kARAW1Bu_fSb3RrWOaGEEd-F5pxzM6Xbxx-4E52S9nFP7tq7wzhgQx_r9AH3D2eTJgZBdJG9ABpFqay3_ElmjEy2CCXhW9OXpT77E0EP9Alw1lNU253GrjZlPM5mW1UhWXZXUH44WsvX3rfBARqFCKevXHDXWbV55inPzrv2h74AHPgzwq-Gxbb56hkk2zcmg9HSeH4FlKfcFdn5zJ7eu7l61zlU_XT1upE2NSu94h2Clt_C_iYgps1XHxwNg/https%3A%2F%2Furldefense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Flbdyck__%3B%21%21KjMRP1Ix
> > > j6eLE0Fj!-wlHR_Jkmoa3P6wlu3JetttTK7kx19cJoWVgsE02-rE1tJ_3MakrwO4CS
> > > arKMUfMvQ$
> > >
> > > “Worry more about your character than your reputation. 

Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

[Seymour J Metz]

Ob3850 At least the 2321 didn't drop cells on the floor.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Charles Mills [charl...@mcn.org]
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 2:48 PM
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Subject: Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

Are we doing war stories?

We had one for the client database at Blue Cross in Oakland. ISAM index on
2314; data on 2321.

I noticed that the DOS/360 access method was not capable of driving it at
its hardware-spec speed. I re-wrote the access method and succeeded at
driving it at its rated speed. The 2321 crimped noodles faster than the CE
could replace them. Literally. Suddenly it all became clear, and we went
back to the IBM access logic.

Then there was the time the air conditioning guys worked on the ducts over
the 2321, and got a whole bunch of little metal shards into the drive. Did
not go well.

Charles


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Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 8:42 AM
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Subject: Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

>From:Seymour J Metz 
>Subject: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

>One of the wiki editors has removed mention of the term "noodle picker"
from [[IBM 2321 Data Cell]] with the explanation >"Really remove
unreferenced OR". Does anybody have a reliaible source for this usage that
I can cite?

I doubt there is an "official"source for this term, but it was a commonly
used slang term at the time.

(This comment is from an old old timer who actually programmed and used a
noodle picker a long time ago. One thing we learned early: if possible,
keep datasets open and avoid the need to access a VTOC often. )

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Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

[John McKown]

I agree.

On Saturday, October 30, 2021, Laurence Chiu  wrote:

> I knew that but I'm not that desperate to get into a hobby environment by
> spending that kind of money. $120 is a no-brainer
>
> On Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 9:58 PM Sebastian Welton 
> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 16:15:06 +1300, Laurence Chiu 
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > >I get a response and since I am not in the US I have to wait until the
> end
> > >of the year;  It would be cool to spin up an Ubuntu VM in the cloud
> > >somewhere and load ZD and then play around from anywhere :-)
> > >
> >
> > There is nothing stopping you doing that now if you're willing to buy the
> > Personal Edition.
> >
> > Sebastian.
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

[Laurence Chiu]

I knew that but I'm not that desperate to get into a hobby environment by
spending that kind of money. $120 is a no-brainer

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021, 9:58 PM Sebastian Welton  wrote:

> On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 16:15:06 +1300, Laurence Chiu 
> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >I get a response and since I am not in the US I have to wait until the end
> >of the year;  It would be cool to spin up an Ubuntu VM in the cloud
> >somewhere and load ZD and then play around from anywhere :-)
> >
>
> There is nothing stopping you doing that now if you're willing to buy the
> Personal Edition.
>
> Sebastian.
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Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

[Charles Mills]

Are we doing war stories?

We had one for the client database at Blue Cross in Oakland. ISAM index on
2314; data on 2321.

I noticed that the DOS/360 access method was not capable of driving it at
its hardware-spec speed. I re-wrote the access method and succeeded at
driving it at its rated speed. The 2321 crimped noodles faster than the CE
could replace them. Literally. Suddenly it all became clear, and we went
back to the IBM access logic.

Then there was the time the air conditioning guys worked on the ducts over
the 2321, and got a whole bunch of little metal shards into the drive. Did
not go well.

Charles


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Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 8:42 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

>From:Seymour J Metz 
>Subject: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

>One of the wiki editors has removed mention of the term "noodle picker" 
from [[IBM 2321 Data Cell]] with the explanation >"Really remove 
unreferenced OR". Does anybody have a reliaible source for this usage that 
I can cite?

I doubt there is an "official"source for this term, but it was a commonly 
used slang term at the time. 

(This comment is from an old old timer who actually programmed and used a 
noodle picker a long time ago. One thing we learned early: if possible, 
keep datasets open and avoid the need to access a VTOC often. )

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Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

[Colin Paice]

For those like me who do not know what a noodle picker was..  wikipedia
 has  the following (and
a photo)

The *IBM 2321 Data Cell* announced in April 1964 (withdrawn January 1975)
is a discontinued direct access storage device
 (DASD) for the
IBM  System/360
. It holds up to 400 megabytes
 of data, with an access time of 95
milliseconds to 600 milliseconds, depending on the addressed strip position
and data arrangement in each data cell.[1]


The 2321 was whimsically known as the "noodle picker" since the removable
magnetic strips were flexible and resembled lasagna
 noodles.[2]



I thought it referred to people eating their noodles over it, and dropping
bits in... like biscuits in a laptop.


On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 at 17:43, William Donzelli  wrote:

> > I doubt there is an "official"source for this term, but it was a commonly
> > used slang term at the time.
> >
> > (This comment is from an old old timer who actually programmed and used a
> > noodle picker a long time ago. One thing we learned early: if possible,
> > keep datasets open and avoid the need to access a VTOC often. )
>
> I bet with enough digging, one could find the official IBM memo that
> banned the term.
>
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Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

[William Donzelli]

> I doubt there is an "official"source for this term, but it was a commonly
> used slang term at the time.
>
> (This comment is from an old old timer who actually programmed and used a
> noodle picker a long time ago. One thing we learned early: if possible,
> keep datasets open and avoid the need to access a VTOC often. )

I bet with enough digging, one could find the official IBM memo that
banned the term.

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Re: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

[Bill Ogden]

>From:Seymour J Metz 
>Subject: Reliable source for slang term "noodle picker"?

>One of the wiki editors has removed mention of the term "noodle picker" 
from [[IBM 2321 Data Cell]] with the explanation >"Really remove 
unreferenced OR". Does anybody have a reliaible source for this usage that 
I can cite?

I doubt there is an "official"source for this term, but it was a commonly 
used slang term at the time. 

(This comment is from an old old timer who actually programmed and used a 
noodle picker a long time ago. One thing we learned early: if possible, 
keep datasets open and avoid the need to access a VTOC often. )

Bill Ogden


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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

[Mike Schwab]

Moshix is not issuing more ID for his Amazon / Hercules / VM/370 / MVS
3.8 instance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuXi1DLq1Sw

On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 9:58 AM Sebastian Welton  wrote:
>
> On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 16:15:06 +1300, Laurence Chiu  wrote:
>
>
> >
> >I get a response and since I am not in the US I have to wait until the end
> >of the year;  It would be cool to spin up an Ubuntu VM in the cloud
> >somewhere and load ZD and then play around from anywhere :-)
> >
>
> There is nothing stopping you doing that now if you're willing to buy the 
> Personal Edition.
>
> Sebastian.
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: IBM ZDNT Learner's Edition - beware

[Sebastian Welton]

On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 16:15:06 +1300, Laurence Chiu  wrote:


>
>I get a response and since I am not in the US I have to wait until the end
>of the year;  It would be cool to spin up an Ubuntu VM in the cloud
>somewhere and load ZD and then play around from anywhere :-)
>

There is nothing stopping you doing that now if you're willing to buy the 
Personal Edition.

Sebastian.

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