Re: Ads in Redbookd.
On 17 Apr 2015 16:14:16 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 09:14:54 -0500, Roger Suhr wrote: Somebody's got to pay for these books. Are you? Indirectly, yes. I use the redbooks to help stay current. Then I can answer customers queries better - they maybe go on to upgrade/purchase *IBM* product(s). Documentation of your product is a business cost - especially for something like the book in question. Try getting manuals from ISVs, let alone Redbook equivalents if you aren't a customer. In this era of increased bean counter and shareholder value domination, anything that keeps these things available should be considered with the understanding of the alternatives. Clark Morris Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ads in Redbookd.
The books are great and I don't mind the ads, but I do have a thought: Since the RedBooks are strictly for IBM hardware and Software or products that run on IBM hardware... when was the last time you looked at the MLC bill your company received? Cheers, Jon Butler -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ads in Redbookd.
Ditto. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Shane Ginnane Sent: Friday, 17 April 2015 2:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Ads in Redbookd. How long have we had ads (sorry, Promotions) in Redbooks ?. Just pulled the z13 Tech Intro Ed posted about - can't be that long since I downloaded one, and I certainly don't recall included ads. As bad as the bloody trailers on hired DVDs. quote Imagine the power of being seen by users who download millions of Redbooks publications each year! quote H ... rather; imagine potentially pissing off all those users. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ads in Redbookd.
On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 09:32:52 -0300, Clark Morris wrote: Given what we pay for Redbooks, I can understand IBM wanting some kind of revenue stream and find print ads easy to ignore. And how long before we have sponsored authors - if you can't bring some bucks, you aren't welcome (F1 drivers come to mind). Then what - product placement in the body of the text ?. If the redbooks lose their balanced technical reputation, it's all down-hill. That'll cost IBM much more than they might make out of it. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ads in Redbookd.
On 17 Apr 2015 01:30:02 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Given what we pay for Redbooks, I can understand IBM wanting some kind of revenue stream and find print ads easy to ignore. Clark Morris Ditto. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Shane Ginnane Sent: Friday, 17 April 2015 2:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Ads in Redbookd. How long have we had ads (sorry, Promotions) in Redbooks ?. Just pulled the z13 Tech Intro Ed posted about - can't be that long since I downloaded one, and I certainly don't recall included ads. As bad as the bloody trailers on hired DVDs. quote Imagine the power of being seen by users who download millions of Redbooks publications each year! quote H ... rather; imagine potentially pissing off all those users. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ads in Redbookd.
Shane Ginnane wrote: How long have we had ads (sorry, Promotions) in Redbooks ?. Just pulled the z13 Tech Intro Ed posted about - can't be that long since I downloaded one, and I certainly don't recall included ads. Out of 192 pages, there are only a handful sponsored pages. That I can handle. For myself it will be a problem if ALL and EVERY pages have some ads or URL linking you to virus/trojan/malware sites. (or some hidden ads placed as 'watermark' behind the actual contents. That is bloody bad.) As bad as the bloody trailers on hired DVDs. Now, you now why pirated vids are popular. I hate those lng video ads which you can NOT spin forward to see the end. So, if I see a video, and it looks like an ad, smells like an ad, walks like an ad, etc. then I just drop it. Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ads in Redbookd.
Good point. IBM pays the expenses of those who attend these residencies to work on the Red Books... we're talking airfare, hotel, car, meals, etc... Not all of those who go to Poughkeepsie to work on the Red Books reside in the US, so the airfares can he huge. Some of these efforts takes several weeks or months, many people committing their time and expertise to the effort. Do I like the fact that the ads are in there... NO, but if it helps offset the expense of creating one of these Red Books that provides us with additional insight into new technology and functionality, then we, the users, might need to be a little forgiving if a company places an ad in a technical publication. Should IBM limit the ads? I believe they should limit the ads placed in the Red Books, because as another person already stated, too many will detract from the benefit of the publications. Thank you, Linda J Carroll Senior Capacity Planner Acxiom Corporation EML linda.carr...@acxiom.com TEL +1 630.944.9018 MBL +1 678.777.8298 www.acxiomit.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Roger Suhr Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 9:15 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Ads in Redbookd. Somebody's got to pay for these books. Are you? On Apr 16, 2015 11:51 PM, Shane Ginnane ibm-m...@tpg.com.au wrote: How long have we had ads (sorry, Promotions) in Redbooks ?. Just pulled the z13 Tech Intro Ed posted about - can't be that long since I downloaded one, and I certainly don't recall included ads. As bad as the bloody trailers on hired DVDs. quote Imagine the power of being seen by users who download millions of Redbooks publications each year! quote H ... rather; imagine potentially pissing off all those users. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN *** The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please resend this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. Thank You. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ads in Redbookd.
On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 9:14 AM, Roger Suhr suhr...@gmail.com wrote: Somebody's got to pay for these books. Are you? For me, it depends entirely on the cost. To what extent will I go? Well, I actually paid for Knuth's The Art of Computer Programming, Volume 4A: Combinatorial Algorithms, Part 1. The electronic version for Kindle set me back $51.19 . I doubt that I would pay as much for any single Redbook. But for something like the series ABCs of IBM z/OS System Programming, then yes, I'd _pay_ for that. If I could afford it of, course. And especially if it were better formatted, such as using hyperlinks within the book as well as hyperlinks to the z/OS online manuals. Another possibility might be for IBM to organize the RedBooks by topics / applications and have something akin to Amazon's Kindle Prime, which is a subscription to access all of the books in that category. Of course, it would be nice if it were like the O'Reilly books, where when I buy a book, I can get future versions which contain corrections and errata for no cost. Would I subscribe to such a thing: Yes, if I could afford it. My company would _not_ pay for it, but _I_ would. If they wanted to, IBM could even watermark each book for each purchaser so that any copy could be traced back to the original purchaser. A sad thought, but some people would try to distribute a personal copy to others even it it is not really legal or moral (depends on an individual's morality evaluations). -- If you sent twitter messages while exploring, are you on a textpedition? He's about as useful as a wax frying pan. 10 to the 12th power microphones = 1 Megaphone Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ads in Redbookd.
As a Redbooks author I'll take a percentage. :-) TGIF. :-) Cheers, Martin Martin Packer, zChampion, Principal Systems Investigator, Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/MartinPacker From: Shane Ginnane ibm-m...@tpg.com.au To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 17/04/2015 14:00 Subject:Re: Ads in Redbookd. Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 09:32:52 -0300, Clark Morris wrote: Given what we pay for Redbooks, I can understand IBM wanting some kind of revenue stream and find print ads easy to ignore. And how long before we have sponsored authors - if you can't bring some bucks, you aren't welcome (F1 drivers come to mind). Then what - product placement in the body of the text ?. If the redbooks lose their balanced technical reputation, it's all down-hill. That'll cost IBM much more than they might make out of it. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ads in Redbookd.
On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Shane Ginnane ibm-m...@tpg.com.au wrote: On Fri, 17 Apr 2015 09:32:52 -0300, Clark Morris wrote: Given what we pay for Redbooks, I can understand IBM wanting some kind of revenue stream and find print ads easy to ignore. And how long before we have sponsored authors - if you can't bring some bucks, you aren't welcome (F1 drivers come to mind). Then what - product placement in the body of the text ?. I almost hate to contemplate the following, or even say post it. But I have a Kindle Paperwhite. It is Wifi connected to download books. And while reading, I can touch a word to bring up a definition of that word. This uses the WiFi to access an online dictionary. I fear the wave of the future will be epubs which embed dynamic ads which are fetched from the web as is done on most entertainment sites today. Get a RedBook on some technology and get pop-up ads in the viewer to contact a sales rep for company ... . Won't that be nice. Perhaps I should patent this and assign the patent to the EFF. If the redbooks lose their balanced technical reputation, it's all down-hill. That'll cost IBM much more than they might make out of it. Shane ... -- If you sent twitter messages while exploring, are you on a textpedition? He's about as useful as a wax frying pan. 10 to the 12th power microphones = 1 Megaphone Maranatha! John McKown -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ads in Redbookd.
Somebody's got to pay for these books. Are you? On Apr 16, 2015 11:51 PM, Shane Ginnane ibm-m...@tpg.com.au wrote: How long have we had ads (sorry, Promotions) in Redbooks ?. Just pulled the z13 Tech Intro Ed posted about - can't be that long since I downloaded one, and I certainly don't recall included ads. As bad as the bloody trailers on hired DVDs. quote Imagine the power of being seen by users who download millions of Redbooks publications each year! quote H ... rather; imagine potentially pissing off all those users. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ads in Redbookd.
Roger Suhr wrote: Somebody's got to pay for these books. Are you? Perhaps, just like you did it in the past for IBM 'licensed books' for very restricted contents available for paying customers. On the other side - If I pay for a book (not magazines/newspapers/etc) - it should be without ads. But, after reading that redbook, it seemed to me that IBM wants authors to contribute their wisdom and having them to [optionally for now?] pay for ad space in exchange of wisdom written. So far the gazillion URLs there are to IBM only except those in the ads. I think that mixture of URLs can change in the future. Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Ads in Redbookd.
How long have we had ads (sorry, Promotions) in Redbooks ?. Just pulled the z13 Tech Intro Ed posted about - can't be that long since I downloaded one, and I certainly don't recall included ads. As bad as the bloody trailers on hired DVDs. quote Imagine the power of being seen by users who download millions of Redbooks publications each year! quote H ... rather; imagine potentially pissing off all those users. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
