Re: Ask the experts about running things
Thanks for the links and some of the definitions provided, I will pass this information along to the programmer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ask the experts about running things
It does sound reasonable, but there are some caveats: First, many "acronyms" in our world are merely names -- the underlying words mean virtually nothing (e.g IMS, CICS, TSO, ISPF...). You'd need to describe what they actually are as well, for it to be something better than mere pedantry. Also, MVS stands for "Multiple Virtual Storage", I believe. So, a clean sacking (notwithstanding my first point). sas On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 11:40 AM Seymour J Metz wrote: > Actually, that advise sounds reasonable, although I will confess that I > don't always follow it! > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Charles Mills > Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 5:58 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Ask the experts about running things > > I hired a tech writer once who had been taught in school that you should > introduce every acronym the first time you used it: > > "Whizbang/390 runs on any current release of Multiple Virtual Systems > (MVS) ..." > > And wanted to argue me into the ground on the point. I let him go on the > 29th day of his probationary period. > > Charles -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ask the experts about running things
Close: BSC and local non-SNA. They say that the memory is the second thing to go; I don't remember the first. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of David Spiegel Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 5:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: Ask the experts about running things R'Shmuel, There is also USS for non-SNA (aka BSC). Regards, David On 2018-11-07 16:23, Seymour J Metz wrote: > USS is the part of VTAM that handles text-mode login from SNA terminals. > There is a parallel set of definitions for Telnet access. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1nkdfzk5exo9-UQng5mCiy8O29GZYz4UrnF9kpfYPHXmRBqNpIzmBhutD0QvfqwxsJEUDaYcXlOKjnN0caMRe1aSd3wV0uLkvyyxMM7EJpmPxQdrV3DRpCYTCs_2n2T5qPYcdmwDgR9nqtFq0LAx_zNGXTcmQHVSqTXf-23P1Snqk900yRI0Pt0qw03xwQH8HeojCu76pLsW_YA8yFiq7vVuFDeJKLJVBajZjRbfKxf_JliP5RbTxe-Jrpd42UdKL0Vwfqbmfr2UpmIvaTMsOaLTfWNXqGCQVOUjAuW3QqdRZgUF9LKEE6KTBagNgtU3GqJjdvtIZp5sOnnp39cLvhqiJsefiT4Y_tnLlufDGIrNMGsfp83cpZjW3fq7SaM-CWL2_qDx8OobN2lzrT455-ziDiV68M80-KFGWOHMo3e_-WioPxUVnW9WUI2vUWNqu/https%3A%2F%2Fnam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp%3A%252F%252Fmason.gmu.edu%252F%7Esmetz3%26data%3D02%257C01%257C%257C914494a6630a428df89308d644f74650%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%257C1%257C0%257C636772226161873618%26sdata%3Dx20gX6mXBFKHxa8aQ5VYmMXqhMMQZ1HHLbRnUyw7wo4%253D%26reserved%3D0 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of > Tom Brennan > Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 4:54 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Ask the experts about running things > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/11cr7ZmkSjCL94c38eycJveHWhLcT83TA1TDKBWPtaIk95BrKkbph0EP-LrnzDx7oxL-bkZGZiKq0JsSa3BkrgoXvLrYL9fa4vPDgLR7bi-36U-dU6srA2u9CFiEAlaJQfEEI5wiPVgoqMT77VFlzwtoJSgRyZ-h8CedA2MvapH1T3SQk3-kCL56a0IG3_rG9aR8lGHHUYKCOt2boP7-fiYPsNF9dHyEd_wqNfiHlej1GeuhaRItWtrHKvNRXdrOYcFWCFW1HbB46iv4tqnyQhdz0qF5D2KPvZCgVoqJfja312XHJ5OI2-U9iWL4z55YEWMSdZ3P7P2Y6A2Vjjy4VuzV4KNrbDQJ51C-yhcf3SMNMhFSNxiot3Oz94XmP_7rh7QrzDTnbaSdClo_MAibrOHLFowZWGtYERG_Gpt9LquX0wZqB_GkyN7MEpU-Q2s_z/https%3A%2F%2Fnam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fsecure-web.cisco.com%252F1CF176IuRl4NBiLXAYNldafnnQslnf8d90kCQMIUSamS9eBlLN5iDnIScnR7rKlZn0rgUV4q1L-rGxfSRzJtivT2wogvbYJZ8drhvHlEh6EivNS4cbfulU9-kHoIcIkTYZ-XscSbEa3DXfwggeISpw8XEq7eNHHBuvEDo-4JqyGuNT74VyejtUdvm3_-jdZxiCnxfieszuoiuFSEo1lA9OM4SabibV2t2nfJStZ1qZoAjuRachnCK1vl28BLWG2Pv40E_6Dpu8gP3ehXxXw-DIlKmDRepizowT1kT33cc0TwdnCYl-J_jqZ4i_j7nfkefwkDgBKhX__lMbcv5luU8hc7BtUDxn3hxD9Vlxw6H3LkoLn_pCPgIaitvxfnmVVtS%252Fhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww-01.ibm.com%25252Fsoftware%25252Fglobalization%25252Fterminology%25252Fu.html%26data%3D02%257C01%257C%257C914494a6630a428df89308d644f74650%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%257C1%257C0%257C636772226161873618%26sdata%3D3oxiJjqYBRByBOMajHeWXumP28r13PMM9VKORdFCfAA%253D%26reserved%3D0 > > USS = Unformatted System Service, whatever that is. I was always told > the story that since IBM already used that acronym, it would not be used > again for Unix Systems Services. Don't know if that is true or not. > > On 11/6/2018 12:41 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 20:26:23 +, Nims,Alva John (Al) wrote: >> >>> Try this: >>> >>> https://secure-web.cisco.com/18TI1Ofs0WpPgaZ1JnKY6eNGvrcpLIggL-tmOw-Ps_kkR5K9kW-L2r6_x3Qv8qFVBkv3xtztykOkKy6gllheDjsG3gJQxwD7TFKBEX1FNGxxfSI5x3G9JyDxzN82SWSi3eyWVWsORBnhx0rngBWOBPw6RJ_lwbrPds8VGE4onU-VtQk9_pqR7Cx6Z-z-XKYlvPkagxyc22ZmmjlmzEM9I8j5LF4c3oyCFMR_bmYOOHj3_3T0QrVIFbPEJl81G41LdxcMsZ3sOrjWx03uxaveuIxjmVv7OnnCOs0gPfvmTvrac5nODKE0HOuRyh0K2tyXjL3RnHCJa_6FHNDLcw3W6rbNu36YslUA6kY-ReLHwMPusTSaMDsAt4ZmYFniZ7wHv3-dVwB1QgVxV0g-JsIiErH8r-kVGyia_WFc76xsoaU1HBM8qgkC6JuPPKCo2WRLk/https%3A%2F%2Fnam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fsecure-web.cisco.com%252F1FUD51pJKGid_i1JnGUtjkQTZDxAboVrq7j8cbVZ5l8jpPO6S-sFGQ8DjCr6HJ2zMbVgQHs62RtVKuto5ANhAs5yccdSzDctlTwObnmcImr8rww6-sUC-0jakBA-YRZePbM8S0eChl59PQ4S57X40VA7oahgcOIjbOszgItaatK8eR5t7qUKr53pKlak51xQ9HN-9OrE79Oitf4OzlBrAPbSwgLe8k_eiz6Q4WNqDieI0uBJ5B-ppZQwzSmHcrzyO48hcKfI0dkLIR1lV4JaagnRWm0-wbaFKbGloq_l-vxfWDhmSyxjSY4UZviFFZYqIXYuNAws3QPTUcSYAvOBmBw4glDrUygKrm7ox50nr6P5ObvPdSm53aafHoe4sBc5N%252Fhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.ibm.com%25252Fsupport%25252Fknowledgenenter%25252Fzosbasics%25252Fcom.ibm.zglossary.doc%25252Fzglossary.pdf%25253ForigURL%25253Dapi%25252Fredirect%25252Fzos%25252Fbasics%25252Ftopic%25252Fcom.ibm.zglossary.doc%25252Fzglossary.pdf%26data%3D02%257C01%257C%257C914494a6630a428df89308d644f74650%257C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%257C1%257C0%257C636772226161873618%26sdata%3DY5OVVJCCDxIY%252FNIaRepL8oMSf2jGmmmKmon0xN%252FL9E8%253D%26reserved
Re: Ask the experts about running things
Well, foreground TSO is time sharing, and it is still orional in the sense that you have to define TSO segments or (obsolete) UADS entries. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 5:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: Ask the experts about running things Let's not pass up the opportunity to observe that TSO is not 'time sharing', nor is it 'optional', yet it's constantly on the lips of every mainframer. I caution newbies (and managers and auditors) not to give much weight to these acronyms. Saying 'multiple virtual storage' more than once in a meeting marks you as a doofus. ;-) . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 1:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Ask the experts about running things Roughly, and in an MVS context: Address space: a context for resolving virtual addresses. There is an address space for each batch job, started task, TSO session and similar units of work. Data space: a specialized address space from which instructions are not executed. Subsystem: a body of code identified to MVS as a subsystem and providing service through the subsystem interface. Stated task: a job initiated by the START operator command rather than through the Initiator. In many cases the START is issued automatically shortly after IPL. Started tasks have identifiers starting with S or STC. Job; a unit or work. Batch jobs have identifiers starting with J or JOB. TSO: Time Sharing Option. Support for interactive units of work. Note that you can do Unix System Services work interactively without a TSO session. TSO sessions have identifiers starting with T or TSU. Process: a unit of scheduling for Unix. Depending on how the system is configured, multiple Unix processes may run in a single address space. There may b multiple threads within a process - in fact, the original name for threads as light-weight process. Enclave is a bit difficult describe; take a look at the Language Environment documentation for a start. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Peter Ten Eyck Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 1:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Ask the experts about running things For an inquisitive programmer... what is a good definition for each of the following? How do they relate to each other? Address space Data space Subsystem Started task Job TSU (TSO) Process Enclave Note: My explanation will fall short of what IBM-Main can come up with. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ask the experts about running things
Actually, that advise sounds reasonable, although I will confess that I don't always follow it! -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Charles Mills Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 5:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: Ask the experts about running things I hired a tech writer once who had been taught in school that you should introduce every acronym the first time you used it: "Whizbang/390 runs on any current release of Multiple Virtual Systems (MVS) ..." And wanted to argue me into the ground on the point. I let him go on the 29th day of his probationary period. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 2:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Ask the experts about running things Let's not pass up the opportunity to observe that TSO is not 'time sharing', nor is it 'optional', yet it's constantly on the lips of every mainframer. I caution newbies (and managers and auditors) not to give much weight to these acronyms. Saying 'multiple virtual storage' more than once in a meeting marks you as a doofus. ;-) . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 1:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Ask the experts about running things Roughly, and in an MVS context: Address space: a context for resolving virtual addresses. There is an address space for each batch job, started task, TSO session and similar units of work. Data space: a specialized address space from which instructions are not executed. Subsystem: a body of code identified to MVS as a subsystem and providing service through the subsystem interface. Stated task: a job initiated by the START operator command rather than through the Initiator. In many cases the START is issued automatically shortly after IPL. Started tasks have identifiers starting with S or STC. Job; a unit or work. Batch jobs have identifiers starting with J or JOB. TSO: Time Sharing Option. Support for interactive units of work. Note that you can do Unix System Services work interactively without a TSO session. TSO sessions have identifiers starting with T or TSU. Process: a unit of scheduling for Unix. Depending on how the system is configured, multiple Unix processes may run in a single address space. There may b multiple threads within a process - in fact, the original name for threads as light-weight process. Enclave is a bit difficult describe; take a look at the Language Environment documentation for a start. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Peter Ten Eyck Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 1:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Ask the experts about running things For an inquisitive programmer... what is a good definition for each of the following? How do they relate to each other? Address space Data space Subsystem Started task Job TSU (TSO) Process Enclave Note: My explanation will fall short of what IBM-Main can come up with. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ask the experts about running things
On 11/7/2018 10:51 PM, Charles Mills wrote: I does and it doesn't. No one could claim that z/OS was an initialism for zero-down-time operating system. All us francophones understand ... it ees seemply ze OS. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I does and it doesn't. No one could claim that z/OS was an initialism for zero-down-time operating system. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter Bishop Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 6:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Ask the experts about running things I went to an IBM buzzfest at the rename announcement (390 to z IIRC, it was a while back) where it was said that z stood for "zero down time". Peter On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 16:09:25 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: >Good thing it was before the days of z/OS. What does the z in z/OS stand for? >AFAIK "zarchitecture" is not an English word. > >Charles > > >-Original Message- >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >Behalf Of scott Ford >Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 3:20 PM >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Subject: Re: Ask the experts about running things > >God, I love it. Buzz words, after 40 yrs you heard many it not all. >I have been mentoring two guys and have hit these ...it gets weird when you >talk from a sysprog/dev point of view >and try to explain it to newbies .. > >Regards, >Scott > >On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 5:58 PM Charles Mills wrote: > >> I hired a tech writer once who had been taught in school that you should >> introduce every acronym the first time you used it: >> >> "Whizbang/390 runs on any current release of Multiple Virtual Systems >> (MVS) ..." > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ask the experts about running things
In linguistics we call this 'back-formation', where a plausible evolution gets assigned a fictitious etymology. Example: burgle, derived in reverse from burglar. My very favorite mainframe example: IPL. Can be used as verb, noun, modifier, almost any 'part of speech'. All from an acronym. Marvelous. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter Bishop Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 6:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Ask the experts about running things I went to an IBM buzzfest at the rename announcement (390 to z IIRC, it was a while back) where it was said that z stood for "zero down time". Peter On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 16:09:25 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: >Good thing it was before the days of z/OS. What does the z in z/OS stand for? >AFAIK "zarchitecture" is not an English word. > >Charles > > >-Original Message- >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] >On Behalf Of scott Ford >Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 3:20 PM >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Subject: Re: Ask the experts about running things > >God, I love it. Buzz words, after 40 yrs you heard many it not all. >I have been mentoring two guys and have hit these ...it gets weird when >you talk from a sysprog/dev point of view and try to explain it to >newbies .. > >Regards, >Scott > >On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 5:58 PM Charles Mills wrote: > >> I hired a tech writer once who had been taught in school that you >> should introduce every acronym the first time you used it: >> >> "Whizbang/390 runs on any current release of Multiple Virtual Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Expanding acronyms was Re: Ask the experts about running things
Classic case of acronym evolution. I would like to fare as well myself. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Clark Morris Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 5:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Expanding acronyms was Re: Ask the experts about running things [Default] On 7 Nov 2018 16:09:34 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) wrote: >Good thing it was before the days of z/OS. What does the z in z/OS stand for? >AFAIK "zarchitecture" is not an English word. The better explanation of MVS is that once the IBM acronym is established, IBM has been known to change what it stands for. ISPF is the classic case. I believe it started out as structured programming facility then became system productivity facility and finally interactive system productivity facility. Clark Morris > >Charles > > >-Original Message- >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] >On Behalf Of scott Ford >Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 3:20 PM >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Subject: Re: Ask the experts about running things > >God, I love it. Buzz words, after 40 yrs you heard many it not all. >I have been mentoring two guys and have hit these ...it gets weird when >you talk from a sysprog/dev point of view and try to explain it to >newbies .. > >Regards, >Scott > >On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 5:58 PM Charles Mills wrote: > >> I hired a tech writer once who had been taught in school that you >> should introduce every acronym the first time you used it: >> >> "Whizbang/390 runs on any current release of Multiple Virtual Systems >> (MVS) ..." -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I was on a course once many years ago in Australia. The instructor went through VTAM, ISAM, BDAM, VSAM, etc. He then finished up with WHAMBANGTHANKYOUMAM. I can't remember what he said it stood for, but it was brilliant. I today's political correctness he probably wouldn't get away with it. On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 at 09:59, Clark Morris wrote: > [Default] On 7 Nov 2018 16:09:34 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main > charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) wrote: > > >Good thing it was before the days of z/OS. What does the z in z/OS stand > for? AFAIK "zarchitecture" is not an English word. > > > The better explanation of MVS is that once the IBM acronym is > established, IBM has been known to change what it stands for. ISPF is > the classic case. I believe it started out as structured programming > facility then became system productivity facility and finally > interactive system productivity facility. > > Clark Morris > > > >Charles > > > > > >-Original Message- > >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of scott Ford > >Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 3:20 PM > >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > >Subject: Re: Ask the experts about running things > > > >God, I love it. Buzz words, after 40 yrs you heard many it not all. > >I have been mentoring two guys and have hit these ...it gets weird when > you > >talk from a sysprog/dev point of view > >and try to explain it to newbies .. > > > >Regards, > >Scott > > > >On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 5:58 PM Charles Mills wrote: > > > >> I hired a tech writer once who had been taught in school that you should > >> introduce every acronym the first time you used it: > >> > >> "Whizbang/390 runs on any current release of Multiple Virtual Systems > >> (MVS) ..." > > > >-- > >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I went to an IBM buzzfest at the rename announcement (390 to z IIRC, it was a while back) where it was said that z stood for "zero down time". Peter On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 16:09:25 -0800, Charles Mills wrote: >Good thing it was before the days of z/OS. What does the z in z/OS stand for? >AFAIK "zarchitecture" is not an English word. > >Charles > > >-Original Message- >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >Behalf Of scott Ford >Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 3:20 PM >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Subject: Re: Ask the experts about running things > >God, I love it. Buzz words, after 40 yrs you heard many it not all. >I have been mentoring two guys and have hit these ...it gets weird when you >talk from a sysprog/dev point of view >and try to explain it to newbies .. > >Regards, >Scott > >On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 5:58 PM Charles Mills wrote: > >> I hired a tech writer once who had been taught in school that you should >> introduce every acronym the first time you used it: >> >> "Whizbang/390 runs on any current release of Multiple Virtual Systems >> (MVS) ..." > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Expanding acronyms was Re: Ask the experts about running things
[Default] On 7 Nov 2018 16:09:34 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main charl...@mcn.org (Charles Mills) wrote: >Good thing it was before the days of z/OS. What does the z in z/OS stand for? >AFAIK "zarchitecture" is not an English word. The better explanation of MVS is that once the IBM acronym is established, IBM has been known to change what it stands for. ISPF is the classic case. I believe it started out as structured programming facility then became system productivity facility and finally interactive system productivity facility. Clark Morris > >Charles > > >-Original Message- >From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >Behalf Of scott Ford >Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 3:20 PM >To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >Subject: Re: Ask the experts about running things > >God, I love it. Buzz words, after 40 yrs you heard many it not all. >I have been mentoring two guys and have hit these ...it gets weird when you >talk from a sysprog/dev point of view >and try to explain it to newbies .. > >Regards, >Scott > >On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 5:58 PM Charles Mills wrote: > >> I hired a tech writer once who had been taught in school that you should >> introduce every acronym the first time you used it: >> >> "Whizbang/390 runs on any current release of Multiple Virtual Systems >> (MVS) ..." > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ask the experts about running things
Good thing it was before the days of z/OS. What does the z in z/OS stand for? AFAIK "zarchitecture" is not an English word. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of scott Ford Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 3:20 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Ask the experts about running things God, I love it. Buzz words, after 40 yrs you heard many it not all. I have been mentoring two guys and have hit these ...it gets weird when you talk from a sysprog/dev point of view and try to explain it to newbies .. Regards, Scott On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 5:58 PM Charles Mills wrote: > I hired a tech writer once who had been taught in school that you should > introduce every acronym the first time you used it: > > "Whizbang/390 runs on any current release of Multiple Virtual Systems > (MVS) ..." -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ask the experts about running things
God, I love it. Buzz words, after 40 yrs you heard many it not all. I have been mentoring two guys and have hit these ...it gets weird when you talk from a sysprog/dev point of view and try to explain it to newbies .. Regards, Scott On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 5:58 PM Charles Mills wrote: > I hired a tech writer once who had been taught in school that you should > introduce every acronym the first time you used it: > > "Whizbang/390 runs on any current release of Multiple Virtual Systems > (MVS) ..." > > And wanted to argue me into the ground on the point. I let him go on the > 29th day of his probationary period. > > Charles > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Jesse 1 Robinson > Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 2:51 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Ask the experts about running things > > Let's not pass up the opportunity to observe that TSO is not 'time > sharing', nor is it 'optional', yet it's constantly on the lips of every > mainframer. I caution newbies (and managers and auditors) not to give much > weight to these acronyms. Saying 'multiple virtual storage' more than once > in a meeting marks you as a doofus. ;-) > > . > . > J.O.Skip Robinson > Southern California Edison Company > Electric Dragon Team Paddler > SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager > 323-715-0595 Mobile > 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW > robin...@sce.com > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Seymour J Metz > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 1:41 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: (External):Re: Ask the experts about running things > > Roughly, and in an MVS context: > > Address space: a context for resolving virtual addresses. There is an > address space for each batch job, started task, TSO session and similar > units of work. > > Data space: a specialized address space from which instructions are not > executed. > > Subsystem: a body of code identified to MVS as a subsystem and providing > service through the subsystem interface. > > Stated task: a job initiated by the START operator command rather than > through the Initiator. In many cases the START is issued automatically > shortly after IPL. Started tasks have identifiers starting with S or STC. > > Job; a unit or work. Batch jobs have identifiers starting with J or JOB. > > TSO: Time Sharing Option. Support for interactive units of work. Note that > you can do Unix System Services work interactively without a TSO session. > TSO sessions have identifiers starting with T or TSU. > > Process: a unit of scheduling for Unix. Depending on how the system is > configured, multiple Unix processes may run in a single address space. > There may b multiple threads within a process - in fact, the original name > for threads as light-weight process. > > Enclave is a bit difficult describe; take a look at the Language > Environment documentation for a start. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Peter Ten Eyck > Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 1:59 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Subject: Ask the experts about running things > > For an inquisitive programmer... what is a good definition for each of the > following? How do they relate to each other? > > Address space > Data space > Subsystem > Started task > Job > TSU (TSO) > Process > Enclave > > Note: My explanation will fall short of what IBM-Main can come up with. > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Scott Ford IDMWORKS z/OS Development -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ask the experts about running things
I hired a tech writer once who had been taught in school that you should introduce every acronym the first time you used it: "Whizbang/390 runs on any current release of Multiple Virtual Systems (MVS) ..." And wanted to argue me into the ground on the point. I let him go on the 29th day of his probationary period. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2018 2:51 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Ask the experts about running things Let's not pass up the opportunity to observe that TSO is not 'time sharing', nor is it 'optional', yet it's constantly on the lips of every mainframer. I caution newbies (and managers and auditors) not to give much weight to these acronyms. Saying 'multiple virtual storage' more than once in a meeting marks you as a doofus. ;-) . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 1:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Ask the experts about running things Roughly, and in an MVS context: Address space: a context for resolving virtual addresses. There is an address space for each batch job, started task, TSO session and similar units of work. Data space: a specialized address space from which instructions are not executed. Subsystem: a body of code identified to MVS as a subsystem and providing service through the subsystem interface. Stated task: a job initiated by the START operator command rather than through the Initiator. In many cases the START is issued automatically shortly after IPL. Started tasks have identifiers starting with S or STC. Job; a unit or work. Batch jobs have identifiers starting with J or JOB. TSO: Time Sharing Option. Support for interactive units of work. Note that you can do Unix System Services work interactively without a TSO session. TSO sessions have identifiers starting with T or TSU. Process: a unit of scheduling for Unix. Depending on how the system is configured, multiple Unix processes may run in a single address space. There may b multiple threads within a process - in fact, the original name for threads as light-weight process. Enclave is a bit difficult describe; take a look at the Language Environment documentation for a start. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Peter Ten Eyck Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 1:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Ask the experts about running things For an inquisitive programmer... what is a good definition for each of the following? How do they relate to each other? Address space Data space Subsystem Started task Job TSU (TSO) Process Enclave Note: My explanation will fall short of what IBM-Main can come up with. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ask the experts about running things
Let's not pass up the opportunity to observe that TSO is not 'time sharing', nor is it 'optional', yet it's constantly on the lips of every mainframer. I caution newbies (and managers and auditors) not to give much weight to these acronyms. Saying 'multiple virtual storage' more than once in a meeting marks you as a doofus. ;-) . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 1:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Ask the experts about running things Roughly, and in an MVS context: Address space: a context for resolving virtual addresses. There is an address space for each batch job, started task, TSO session and similar units of work. Data space: a specialized address space from which instructions are not executed. Subsystem: a body of code identified to MVS as a subsystem and providing service through the subsystem interface. Stated task: a job initiated by the START operator command rather than through the Initiator. In many cases the START is issued automatically shortly after IPL. Started tasks have identifiers starting with S or STC. Job; a unit or work. Batch jobs have identifiers starting with J or JOB. TSO: Time Sharing Option. Support for interactive units of work. Note that you can do Unix System Services work interactively without a TSO session. TSO sessions have identifiers starting with T or TSU. Process: a unit of scheduling for Unix. Depending on how the system is configured, multiple Unix processes may run in a single address space. There may b multiple threads within a process - in fact, the original name for threads as light-weight process. Enclave is a bit difficult describe; take a look at the Language Environment documentation for a start. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Peter Ten Eyck Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 1:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Ask the experts about running things For an inquisitive programmer... what is a good definition for each of the following? How do they relate to each other? Address space Data space Subsystem Started task Job TSU (TSO) Process Enclave Note: My explanation will fall short of what IBM-Main can come up with. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ask the experts about running things
R'Shmuel, There is also USS for non-SNA (aka BSC). Regards, David On 2018-11-07 16:23, Seymour J Metz wrote: > USS is the part of VTAM that handles text-mode login from SNA terminals. > There is a parallel set of definitions for Telnet access. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http:%2F%2Fmason.gmu.edu%2F~smetz3&data=02%7C01%7C%7C914494a6630a428df89308d644f74650%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636772226161873618&sdata=x20gX6mXBFKHxa8aQ5VYmMXqhMMQZ1HHLbRnUyw7wo4%3D&reserved=0 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of > Tom Brennan > Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 4:54 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Ask the experts about running things > > https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsecure-web.cisco.com%2F1CF176IuRl4NBiLXAYNldafnnQslnf8d90kCQMIUSamS9eBlLN5iDnIScnR7rKlZn0rgUV4q1L-rGxfSRzJtivT2wogvbYJZ8drhvHlEh6EivNS4cbfulU9-kHoIcIkTYZ-XscSbEa3DXfwggeISpw8XEq7eNHHBuvEDo-4JqyGuNT74VyejtUdvm3_-jdZxiCnxfieszuoiuFSEo1lA9OM4SabibV2t2nfJStZ1qZoAjuRachnCK1vl28BLWG2Pv40E_6Dpu8gP3ehXxXw-DIlKmDRepizowT1kT33cc0TwdnCYl-J_jqZ4i_j7nfkefwkDgBKhX__lMbcv5luU8hc7BtUDxn3hxD9Vlxw6H3LkoLn_pCPgIaitvxfnmVVtS%2Fhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww-01.ibm.com%252Fsoftware%252Fglobalization%252Fterminology%252Fu.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C914494a6630a428df89308d644f74650%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636772226161873618&sdata=3oxiJjqYBRByBOMajHeWXumP28r13PMM9VKORdFCfAA%3D&reserved=0 > > USS = Unformatted System Service, whatever that is. I was always told > the story that since IBM already used that acronym, it would not be used > again for Unix Systems Services. Don't know if that is true or not. > > On 11/6/2018 12:41 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 20:26:23 +, Nims,Alva John (Al) wrote: >> >>> Try this: >>> >>> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsecure-web.cisco.com%2F1FUD51pJKGid_i1JnGUtjkQTZDxAboVrq7j8cbVZ5l8jpPO6S-sFGQ8DjCr6HJ2zMbVgQHs62RtVKuto5ANhAs5yccdSzDctlTwObnmcImr8rww6-sUC-0jakBA-YRZePbM8S0eChl59PQ4S57X40VA7oahgcOIjbOszgItaatK8eR5t7qUKr53pKlak51xQ9HN-9OrE79Oitf4OzlBrAPbSwgLe8k_eiz6Q4WNqDieI0uBJ5B-ppZQwzSmHcrzyO48hcKfI0dkLIR1lV4JaagnRWm0-wbaFKbGloq_l-vxfWDhmSyxjSY4UZviFFZYqIXYuNAws3QPTUcSYAvOBmBw4glDrUygKrm7ox50nr6P5ObvPdSm53aafHoe4sBc5N%2Fhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.ibm.com%252Fsupport%252Fknowledgenenter%252Fzosbasics%252Fcom.ibm.zglossary.doc%252Fzglossary.pdf%253ForigURL%253Dapi%252Fredirect%252Fzos%252Fbasics%252Ftopic%252Fcom.ibm.zglossary.doc%252Fzglossary.pdf&data=02%7C01%7C%7C914494a6630a428df89308d644f74650%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636772226161873618&sdata=Y5OVVJCCDxIY%2FNIaRepL8oMSf2jGmmmKmon0xN%2FL9E8%3D&reserved=0 >>> >> Conspicuously absent from that is the frequently used "USS". >> >> Someday, I'll submit an RCF. >> >> -- gil >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > . > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ask the experts about running things
On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 21:41:29 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >Enclave is a bit difficult describe; take a look at the Language Environment >documentation for a start. LE uses "enclave" to mean one thing. I believe that Workload Manager (WLM) uses it to mean something different. I'm not clear about the meaning in either context. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ask the experts about running things
Roughly, and in an MVS context: Address space: a context for resolving virtual addresses. There is an address space for each batch job, started task, TSO session and similar units of work. Data space: a specialized address space from which instructions are not executed. Subsystem: a body of code identified to MVS as a subsystem and providing service through the subsystem interface. Stated task: a job initiated by the START operator command rather than through the Initiator. In many cases the START is issued automatically shortly after IPL. Started tasks have identifiers starting with S or STC. Job; a unit or work. Batch jobs have identifiers starting with J or JOB. TSO: Time Sharing Option. Support for interactive units of work. Note that you can do Unix System Services work interactively without a TSO session. TSO sessions have identifiers starting with T or TSU. Process: a unit of scheduling for Unix. Depending on how the system is configured, multiple Unix processes may run in a single address space. There may b multiple threads within a process - in fact, the original name for threads as light-weight process. Enclave is a bit difficult describe; take a look at the Language Environment documentation for a start. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Peter Ten Eyck Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 1:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Ask the experts about running things For an inquisitive programmer... what is a good definition for each of the following? How do they relate to each other? Address space Data space Subsystem Started task Job TSU (TSO) Process Enclave Note: My explanation will fall short of what IBM-Main can come up with. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ask the experts about running things
*sound of hand slapping forehead*!! Hasn't this been covered ad nauseum? USS is frequently used to refer to Unix System Services.. although I think the last exhaustive discussion put zUnix as an alternative. It is also used for unformatted system service for VTAM. While there have been those that insist it is confusing, more times than not it is perfectly obvious what the writer is referring to... But please.. lets have another completely inane conversation which will waste everyone's time and probably change no one's mind again. Rob "USS" Schramm USS - User System Service - Patent 1234567345673456734567834567345678 LOL Ok.. so the last joke was more of an "Alf - I kill me!" moment. On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 4:23 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: > USS is the part of VTAM that handles text-mode login from SNA terminals. > There is a parallel set of definitions for Telnet access. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Tom Brennan > Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 4:54 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu > Subject: Re: Ask the experts about running things > > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1CF176IuRl4NBiLXAYNldafnnQslnf8d90kCQMIUSamS9eBlLN5iDnIScnR7rKlZn0rgUV4q1L-rGxfSRzJtivT2wogvbYJZ8drhvHlEh6EivNS4cbfulU9-kHoIcIkTYZ-XscSbEa3DXfwggeISpw8XEq7eNHHBuvEDo-4JqyGuNT74VyejtUdvm3_-jdZxiCnxfieszuoiuFSEo1lA9OM4SabibV2t2nfJStZ1qZoAjuRachnCK1vl28BLWG2Pv40E_6Dpu8gP3ehXxXw-DIlKmDRepizowT1kT33cc0TwdnCYl-J_jqZ4i_j7nfkefwkDgBKhX__lMbcv5luU8hc7BtUDxn3hxD9Vlxw6H3LkoLn_pCPgIaitvxfnmVVtS/https%3A%2F%2Fwww-01.ibm.com%2Fsoftware%2Fglobalization%2Fterminology%2Fu.html > > USS = Unformatted System Service, whatever that is. I was always told > the story that since IBM already used that acronym, it would not be used > again for Unix Systems Services. Don't know if that is true or not. > > On 11/6/2018 12:41 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > > On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 20:26:23 +, Nims,Alva John (Al) wrote: > > > >> Try this: > >> > >> > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1FUD51pJKGid_i1JnGUtjkQTZDxAboVrq7j8cbVZ5l8jpPO6S-sFGQ8DjCr6HJ2zMbVgQHs62RtVKuto5ANhAs5yccdSzDctlTwObnmcImr8rww6-sUC-0jakBA-YRZePbM8S0eChl59PQ4S57X40VA7oahgcOIjbOszgItaatK8eR5t7qUKr53pKlak51xQ9HN-9OrE79Oitf4OzlBrAPbSwgLe8k_eiz6Q4WNqDieI0uBJ5B-ppZQwzSmHcrzyO48hcKfI0dkLIR1lV4JaagnRWm0-wbaFKbGloq_l-vxfWDhmSyxjSY4UZviFFZYqIXYuNAws3QPTUcSYAvOBmBw4glDrUygKrm7ox50nr6P5ObvPdSm53aafHoe4sBc5N/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibm.com%2Fsupport%2Fknowledgenenter%2Fzosbasics%2Fcom.ibm.zglossary.doc%2Fzglossary.pdf%3ForigURL%3Dapi%2Fredirect%2Fzos%2Fbasics%2Ftopic%2Fcom.ibm.zglossary.doc%2Fzglossary.pdf > >> > > Conspicuously absent from that is the frequently used "USS". > > > > Someday, I'll submit an RCF. > > > > -- gil > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Rob Schramm -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ask the experts about running things
USS is the part of VTAM that handles text-mode login from SNA terminals. There is a parallel set of definitions for Telnet access. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Brennan Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 4:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: Ask the experts about running things https://secure-web.cisco.com/1CF176IuRl4NBiLXAYNldafnnQslnf8d90kCQMIUSamS9eBlLN5iDnIScnR7rKlZn0rgUV4q1L-rGxfSRzJtivT2wogvbYJZ8drhvHlEh6EivNS4cbfulU9-kHoIcIkTYZ-XscSbEa3DXfwggeISpw8XEq7eNHHBuvEDo-4JqyGuNT74VyejtUdvm3_-jdZxiCnxfieszuoiuFSEo1lA9OM4SabibV2t2nfJStZ1qZoAjuRachnCK1vl28BLWG2Pv40E_6Dpu8gP3ehXxXw-DIlKmDRepizowT1kT33cc0TwdnCYl-J_jqZ4i_j7nfkefwkDgBKhX__lMbcv5luU8hc7BtUDxn3hxD9Vlxw6H3LkoLn_pCPgIaitvxfnmVVtS/https%3A%2F%2Fwww-01.ibm.com%2Fsoftware%2Fglobalization%2Fterminology%2Fu.html USS = Unformatted System Service, whatever that is. I was always told the story that since IBM already used that acronym, it would not be used again for Unix Systems Services. Don't know if that is true or not. On 11/6/2018 12:41 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: > On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 20:26:23 +, Nims,Alva John (Al) wrote: > >> Try this: >> >> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1FUD51pJKGid_i1JnGUtjkQTZDxAboVrq7j8cbVZ5l8jpPO6S-sFGQ8DjCr6HJ2zMbVgQHs62RtVKuto5ANhAs5yccdSzDctlTwObnmcImr8rww6-sUC-0jakBA-YRZePbM8S0eChl59PQ4S57X40VA7oahgcOIjbOszgItaatK8eR5t7qUKr53pKlak51xQ9HN-9OrE79Oitf4OzlBrAPbSwgLe8k_eiz6Q4WNqDieI0uBJ5B-ppZQwzSmHcrzyO48hcKfI0dkLIR1lV4JaagnRWm0-wbaFKbGloq_l-vxfWDhmSyxjSY4UZviFFZYqIXYuNAws3QPTUcSYAvOBmBw4glDrUygKrm7ox50nr6P5ObvPdSm53aafHoe4sBc5N/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibm.com%2Fsupport%2Fknowledgenenter%2Fzosbasics%2Fcom.ibm.zglossary.doc%2Fzglossary.pdf%3ForigURL%3Dapi%2Fredirect%2Fzos%2Fbasics%2Ftopic%2Fcom.ibm.zglossary.doc%2Fzglossary.pdf >> > Conspicuously absent from that is the frequently used "USS". > > Someday, I'll submit an RCF. > > -- gil > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ask the experts about running things
Note that the definition given for started task is wrong.
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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
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Elardus Engelbrecht
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Peter Ten Eyck wrote:
>For an inquisitive programmer... what is a good definition for each of the
>following? How do they relate to each other?
Careful - there are more than one interpretations of these terms. Trust me. ;-)
Start at
https://secure-web.cisco.com/17HPO-mGgIvjWNuEy6A_hw1uTEPIzZ95LAokvtjiOvLF6YzLRWDdK0CEWuxAFCXaTaSaAuPNdMqEHwEBev4D8Uk7GWQLn1EhvNn4vdF89Eth3-l7TMhYpXQJJe5C7wFPIUR0o2IfhQSk3HiKrOQOMUytbEfgWyEfM3rVMg6qJKPo7Kr4Wh3tbZAn31N1lzCnYwmYaDKfRDmH4D1hAp_CvxlUtj39xDDUWIzon6J97U3uL82RT6vug5UCPtmqbl3ro0Y3NJoiR6LcHopSBlZ8iVeeEjbwSjijvTOyDag-ongv2U5dKBBg_JMew34KSls-ShiZ1NZkAgf4RxX0VNrIuA8YP63SF8rRTjSj4c0snNL7h_zD-P4WeHGFtHKo3_4oH26ZhFhYDtVVmMnQOS7ya-n4Yi5I_5vw6xLKk6kajoXM1UOAFNcnWIOeGOboTXMBO/https%3A%2F%2Fwww-01.ibm.com%2Fsoftware%2Fglobalization%2Fterminology%2F
for some long reading...
I quote from above URL these definition. (Perhaps some Redbooks and ABCs for
z/OS System Programming can help there, especially with some background info?)
>Address space
The range of addresses available to a computer program or process. Address
space can refer to physical storage, virtual storage, or both. See also allied
address space, buffer pool, virtual address space.
>Data space
A separate area of addressable storage that contains only data. A data space
can hold up to 2 gigabytes of data
>Subsystem
1. In z/OS, a service provider that performs one or many functions but does
nothing until a request is made. For example, each IBM MQ for z/OS queue
manager or instance of a DB2 for z/OS database management system is a z/OS
subsystem.
2. The part of communications that handles the requirements of the remote
system, isolating most system-dependent considerations from the application
program.
3. In the Remote System Explorer, a container for a particular user's remote
IBM i libraries, command sets, and jobs.
4. A secondary or subordinate system, usually capable of operating
independently of, or asynchronously with, a controlling system.
5. An operating environment, defined by a subsystem description, where the
system coordinates processing and resources.
>Started task
In MVS, a process that begins at system start and runs unattended. Started
tasks are generally used for critical applications. The UNIX equivalent of a
started task is a daemon.
>Job
1. A mechanism for automating analytical processing. A job consists of job
steps, executed sequentially or conditionally. Input parameters can be defined
for a job. A job can be run on demand or triggered by time-based or
message-based schedules, with records of job execution stored as job history.
2. A method for describing which user-defined business rules, allocation
definitions, or advanced formula calculations to include in the consolidation
process (by steps or by status).
3. An instance of a running project. The system stores data for each completed
job, including step logs and Bill of Materials (BOM) data.
4. See step.
5. See application process.
6. The design objects and compiled programmatic elements that can connect to
data sources, extract and transform that data, and then can load that data into
a target system. Types of jobs include parallel jobs, sequence jobs, server
jobs, and mainframe jobs. See also job design, job executable, job parameter,
parallel job.
7. An import script, export script, or report script that can be scheduled to
run.
8. An instance of a running streams processing application as defined in the
application description language file (ADL file). See also streams processing
application.
9. A group of runnable objects, such as reports, agents, and other jobs that
the user runs and schedules as a batch.
10. In the Integrated Language Environment (ILE) model, a collection of
resources and data that consists of one or more activation groups.
11. A separately executable unit of work. See also job definition, job
instance, workstation.
>TSU (TSO)
A base element of the z/OS operating system with which users can interactively
work with the system.
>Process
{Take your pick ...see point 7 which is recursively to me... ;-D }
1. The sequence of documents or messages to be exchanged between the Community
Managers and participants to run a business transaction.
2. An instance of a program running on a system and the resources that it uses.
3. A progressively continuing procedure consisting of a series of controlled
activities that are systematically directed toward a particular result or end.
4. An object that contains a user-created script of TurboIntegrator functions
and commands to programmatically i
Re: Ask the experts about running things
The CS support for Telnet, including TN3270, uses USS tables as well. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Steve Thompson Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 5:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Subject: Re: Ask the experts about running things Yeah, USS is a component of VTAM. But, I be pedantic. It seems that verbiage wars from a decade ago labeled those of us that pointed this out as pedantists. When you initially connect to VTAM with a 3270 device, you get the MSG10 "panel" which is part of USS as I recall. But it has been decades since I did any USS programming and panel/window definitions that attached to VTAM applications (which TSO can be one, as can be IMS DC if I remember correctly). So take all of this with a bit of salt. Regards, Steve Thompson On 11/6/18 4:54 PM, Tom Brennan wrote: > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1RNwQ0afwCqk-4E_x-4cBlrt05uwler0GeWYFtSgMvjOIJRh_AwBlP6EilbVrhzH5bQO7aOwhNLLPOuOGut90y2M8kINCxmJJXrdvOupm_Eu_69abKe4aZb8OJT3zJrXmsuO7zDobQXVan10OXQQQPq8Peu1-IjuFWfcWxwFJ93R4tk1d1u96YJvms2Dw3ZKQfJ4jdFz6dvGK0SkfrhWc9Ery-ijrVdlEZWKLLotuhCRLdtfVRwb9pmcmkzO9ONYg-u-n0XKYd5fZA3uL4_mESzUCDGtw8OAhGdgAZGyPOeXilY4pc9X2UqY2ICzZyILI1nGwJNB4RpqKLiVjaTJEdvn1li3pMUEf6wEdozsb6p4w0ZinQYp4z_BgBD7N15HuBjdydyvijDZzmAIqTz6kbCspsGwxEot6XxHu8RmM0ak4OPEH4w_R2uj3Qf2jzo-W/https%3A%2F%2Fwww-01.ibm.com%2Fsoftware%2Fglobalization%2Fterminology%2Fu.html > > USS = Unformatted System Service, whatever that is. I was always > told the story that since IBM already used that acronym, it would > not be used again for Unix Systems Services. Don't know if that > is true or not. > > On 11/6/2018 12:41 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: >> On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 20:26:23 +, Nims,Alva John (Al) wrote: >> >>> Try this: >>> >>> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1DpHsnCtS_2e3GM0EBbockHKNsJnIHxW7k-XtSzYGg_za-30k6oJHdH5A2TFmM5YzCpuitl-1I7qmiyA_Wf-2ReI6FyqVI9pJRCiXWG6BU2WuADvwQyhUE1LhUaJzQ8NyAq3FciW1OPym5cMbZi-tRqXEJA33_BKamtwLzMLG5Fwux_Y4fWXkihBv8MpHxbEs4ezouBBQY35et7TwIOW5pa6vMGjLzQfTNKQkw_MuIuqrNhuGPOhT6ZZXEjGPXKRZPuha392mzKBjGDeaCwieIrm3vNIXIO-dfpZhLLVVbs5RROBmkEkX8154qANfZ0DdqYjHoe6JGIGHWyH71Np2SNeNGcEP_PxbYbfq_rtl_l5v-vS_ugwg41IHeK_65HMipqw8nvrHQPoYh6GcHK4C-xYW46e6dR4qleuhiy0X_Wxoqnc6As1mmzwRvl3zvHmR/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibm.com%2Fsupport%2Fknowledgenenter%2Fzosbasics%2Fcom.ibm.zglossary.doc%2Fzglossary.pdf%3ForigURL%3Dapi%2Fredirect%2Fzos%2Fbasics%2Ftopic%2Fcom.ibm.zglossary.doc%2Fzglossary.pdf >>> >>> >> Conspicuously absent from that is the frequently used "USS". >> >> Someday, I'll submit an RCF. >> >> -- gil >> >> -- >> >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO >> IBM-MAIN >> >> > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ask the experts about running things
Yeah, USS is a component of VTAM. But, I be pedantic. It seems that verbiage wars from a decade ago labeled those of us that pointed this out as pedantists. When you initially connect to VTAM with a 3270 device, you get the MSG10 "panel" which is part of USS as I recall. But it has been decades since I did any USS programming and panel/window definitions that attached to VTAM applications (which TSO can be one, as can be IMS DC if I remember correctly). So take all of this with a bit of salt. Regards, Steve Thompson On 11/6/18 4:54 PM, Tom Brennan wrote: https://www-01.ibm.com/software/globalization/terminology/u.html USS = Unformatted System Service, whatever that is. I was always told the story that since IBM already used that acronym, it would not be used again for Unix Systems Services. Don't know if that is true or not. On 11/6/2018 12:41 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 20:26:23 +, Nims,Alva John (Al) wrote: Try this: https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgenenter/zosbasics/com.ibm.zglossary.doc/zglossary.pdf?origURL=api/redirect/zos/basics/topic/com.ibm.zglossary.doc/zglossary.pdf Conspicuously absent from that is the frequently used "USS". Someday, I'll submit an RCF. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ask the experts about running things
https://www-01.ibm.com/software/globalization/terminology/u.html USS = Unformatted System Service, whatever that is. I was always told the story that since IBM already used that acronym, it would not be used again for Unix Systems Services. Don't know if that is true or not. On 11/6/2018 12:41 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 20:26:23 +, Nims,Alva John (Al) wrote: Try this: https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgenenter/zosbasics/com.ibm.zglossary.doc/zglossary.pdf?origURL=api/redirect/zos/basics/topic/com.ibm.zglossary.doc/zglossary.pdf Conspicuously absent from that is the frequently used "USS". Someday, I'll submit an RCF. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ask the experts about running things
On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 20:26:23 +, Nims,Alva John (Al) wrote: >Try this: > >https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgenenter/zosbasics/com.ibm.zglossary.doc/zglossary.pdf?origURL=api/redirect/zos/basics/topic/com.ibm.zglossary.doc/zglossary.pdf > > And, for other interesting definitions, see http://web.archive.org/web/20160304181947/http://www.isham-research.co.uk/dd.html Two favorites are Consultant and Windows 95. It's old, but still amusing. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ask the experts about running things
The inquisitive programmer will find this and others on their friendly search portal: http://www.prycroft6.com.au/misc/download/GC28-1348-0_MVSXAoverview_Mar84OCR.pdf (IBM overview of MVS/XA, introducing virtual storage, etc.) http://idcp.marist.edu/enterprisesystemseducation/ztidbitz.html (long list of introductory summaries, well worth browsing around) e.g. http://idcp.marist.edu/pdfs/ztidbitz/63%20zTidBits%20%28Started%20Task%20Control%20-%20STC%29.pdf (STC overview) Happy reading! cheers, Peter On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 12:59:25 -0600, Peter Ten Eyck wrote: >For an inquisitive programmer... what is a good definition for each of the >following? How do they relate to each other? > >Address space >Data space >Subsystem >Started task >Job >TSU (TSO) >Process >Enclave > >Note: My explanation will fall short of what IBM-Main can come up with. > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ask the experts about running things
Interesting, thanks for the link. Neither "process" nor "TSU" is defined, but "TSO" and all the other terms requested are defined. For the OP: The distinctions between "process" and "enclave" are nicely laid out in one of the LE manuals, the Concepts Guide: https://www-01.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zOSV2R3SA380687/$file/ceea800_v2r3.pdf HTH Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Nims,Alva John (Al) Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2018 3:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Ask the experts about running things Try this: https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/zosbasics/com.ibm.zglossary.doc/zglossary.pdf?origURL=api/redirect/zos/basics/topic/com.ibm.zglossary.doc/zglossary.pdf Al Nims Systems Admin/Programmer III UF Information Technology 720 Bld. 3rd Floor, #9 P.O. Box 112050 Gainesville, FL. 32611 (e) ajn...@ufl.edu (p) (352) 273-1298 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter Ten Eyck Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2018 1:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Ask the experts about running things For an inquisitive programmer... what is a good definition for each of the following? How do they relate to each other? Address space Data space Subsystem Started task Job TSU (TSO) Process Enclave Note: My explanation will fall short of what IBM-Main can come up with. -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ask the experts about running things
On Tue, 6 Nov 2018 20:26:23 +, Nims,Alva John (Al) wrote: >Try this: > >https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgenenter/zosbasics/com.ibm.zglossary.doc/zglossary.pdf?origURL=api/redirect/zos/basics/topic/com.ibm.zglossary.doc/zglossary.pdf > > Conspicuously absent from that is the frequently used "USS". Someday, I'll submit an RCF. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ask the experts about running things
Peter Ten Eyck wrote:
>For an inquisitive programmer... what is a good definition for each of the
>following? How do they relate to each other?
Careful - there are more than one interpretations of these terms. Trust me. ;-)
Start at https://www-01.ibm.com/software/globalization/terminology/ for some
long reading...
I quote from above URL these definition. (Perhaps some Redbooks and ABCs for
z/OS System Programming can help there, especially with some background info?)
>Address space
The range of addresses available to a computer program or process. Address
space can refer to physical storage, virtual storage, or both. See also allied
address space, buffer pool, virtual address space.
>Data space
A separate area of addressable storage that contains only data. A data space
can hold up to 2 gigabytes of data
>Subsystem
1. In z/OS, a service provider that performs one or many functions but does
nothing until a request is made. For example, each IBM MQ for z/OS queue
manager or instance of a DB2 for z/OS database management system is a z/OS
subsystem.
2. The part of communications that handles the requirements of the remote
system, isolating most system-dependent considerations from the application
program.
3. In the Remote System Explorer, a container for a particular user's remote
IBM i libraries, command sets, and jobs.
4. A secondary or subordinate system, usually capable of operating
independently of, or asynchronously with, a controlling system.
5. An operating environment, defined by a subsystem description, where the
system coordinates processing and resources.
>Started task
In MVS, a process that begins at system start and runs unattended. Started
tasks are generally used for critical applications. The UNIX equivalent of a
started task is a daemon.
>Job
1. A mechanism for automating analytical processing. A job consists of job
steps, executed sequentially or conditionally. Input parameters can be defined
for a job. A job can be run on demand or triggered by time-based or
message-based schedules, with records of job execution stored as job history.
2. A method for describing which user-defined business rules, allocation
definitions, or advanced formula calculations to include in the consolidation
process (by steps or by status).
3. An instance of a running project. The system stores data for each completed
job, including step logs and Bill of Materials (BOM) data.
4. See step.
5. See application process.
6. The design objects and compiled programmatic elements that can connect to
data sources, extract and transform that data, and then can load that data into
a target system. Types of jobs include parallel jobs, sequence jobs, server
jobs, and mainframe jobs. See also job design, job executable, job parameter,
parallel job.
7. An import script, export script, or report script that can be scheduled to
run.
8. An instance of a running streams processing application as defined in the
application description language file (ADL file). See also streams processing
application.
9. A group of runnable objects, such as reports, agents, and other jobs that
the user runs and schedules as a batch.
10. In the Integrated Language Environment (ILE) model, a collection of
resources and data that consists of one or more activation groups.
11. A separately executable unit of work. See also job definition, job
instance, workstation.
>TSU (TSO)
A base element of the z/OS operating system with which users can interactively
work with the system.
>Process
{Take your pick ...see point 7 which is recursively to me... ;-D }
1. The sequence of documents or messages to be exchanged between the Community
Managers and participants to run a business transaction.
2. An instance of a program running on a system and the resources that it uses.
3. A progressively continuing procedure consisting of a series of controlled
activities that are systematically directed toward a particular result or end.
4. An object that contains a user-created script of TurboIntegrator functions
and commands to programmatically import data as well as create and modify TM1
objects, such as cubes and dimensions. A process can be run manually or
contained in a chore to run at a scheduled time.
5. A series of statements and parameters used to initiate Sterling
Connect:Direct activity, such as copying files and running jobs.
6. In Business Transaction Services (BTS), a collection of one or more
activities. A process is the largest unit that CICS business transaction
services can work with, and has a unique name by which it can be referenced and
invoked. Typically, a process is an instance of a business transaction.
7. See job.
8. Automated tasks that run on agents. See generic processes, component
processes, and application processes. See also application process, component
process, generic process.
9. A separately executable unit of work.
10. In System Manager, a combination of systems
Re: Ask the experts about running things
Looks like you're focusing on things that do work - well, other than Data Spaces and (my own opinion) Subsystems, which I tend to think of as control blocks and not anything that does actual work (not counting any related subsystem STC). Have you seen the "ABCs of IBM z/OS System Programming" Redbooks? On 11/6/2018 10:59 AM, Peter Ten Eyck wrote: For an inquisitive programmer... what is a good definition for each of the following? How do they relate to each other? Address space Data space Subsystem Started task Job TSU (TSO) Process Enclave Note: My explanation will fall short of what IBM-Main can come up with. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ask the experts about running things
Try this: https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/zosbasics/com.ibm.zglossary.doc/zglossary.pdf?origURL=api/redirect/zos/basics/topic/com.ibm.zglossary.doc/zglossary.pdf Al Nims Systems Admin/Programmer III UF Information Technology 720 Bld. 3rd Floor, #9 P.O. Box 112050 Gainesville, FL. 32611 (e) ajn...@ufl.edu (p) (352) 273-1298 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Peter Ten Eyck Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2018 1:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Ask the experts about running things For an inquisitive programmer... what is a good definition for each of the following? How do they relate to each other? Address space Data space Subsystem Started task Job TSU (TSO) Process Enclave Note: My explanation will fall short of what IBM-Main can come up with. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Ask the experts about running things
For an inquisitive programmer... what is a good definition for each of the following? How do they relate to each other? Address space Data space Subsystem Started task Job TSU (TSO) Process Enclave Note: My explanation will fall short of what IBM-Main can come up with. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
