Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Seymour J Metz]

I notice that it doesn't mention DOS/VSE. To the best of my knowledge it 
doesn't require a license.


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This may help answering your question.

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On Friday, April 10, 2020 12:17 PM, Bob Bridges  wrote:

> It's taken me until this morning, as this thread continues, to realize that
> maybe I don't know what Hercules does after all. "Mainframe emulation", I'd
> always heard, and supposed that meant that if I install Hercules on a PC
> I'll be able to write REXX execs, write and submit JCL, create PDSs and GDGs
> etc - in other words, that Hercules emulates MVS. But if it doesn't emulate
> the mainframe operating system, what ~does~ it do?
>
> -
>
> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
>
> /* When a man is getting better he understands more and more clearly the
> evil that is still left in him. When a man is getting worse, he understands
> his own badness less and less. A moderately bad man knows he is not very
> good; a thoroughly bad man thinks he is all right. This is common sense,
> really. You understand sleep when you are awake, not while you are
> sleeping. You can see mistakes in arithmetic when your mind is working
> properly; while you are making them you cannot see them. You can understand
> the nature of drunkenness when you are sober, not when you are drunk. Good
> people know about both good and evil; bad people do not know about either.
> -C S Lewis, Christian Behavior */
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Seymour J Metz
> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 06:34
>
> Don't confuse IBM's position on Hercules with IBM's position on running its
> licensed software on a platform for which it is not licensed.
>
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of
> scott Ford [idfli...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 12:55 PM
>
> Until Hercules is sanctioned by IBM I wouldnt mentioned it.
>
> 
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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Lionel B Dyck]

If you want to play with Hercules with something useful checkout the ZZSA 
tutorial package that you can find at https://www.cbttape.org thanks to our 
good friend Sam Golob:

File # 979 ZZSA Tutorial Package - complete setup to learn ZZSA

>From the README:

   Instructions for using the Practice ZZSA package 

Introduction:   

The purpose of this file is to provide an environment where you can 
practice using the ZZSA standalone recovery tool.   

ZZSA is a recovery tool that was written by Jan Jaeger, and has nothing 
to do with IBM.  ZZSA, however, can be used to read IBM disk packs which
were formatted for use by MVS or z/OS.  

ZZSA is IPL text.  That is, the IPL text of ZZSA is loaded onto a disk  
pack, and the disk pack is IPL-ed, standalone.  Other disk packs may be 
in the configuration that is IPL-ed, and ZZSA will find them, if you
run Option 0 first, as soon as you get into ZZSA.   

What is here, in this file? 

I have made a package consisting of a 5-cylinder data volume, formatted 
as a 3390 disk, containing ipl-text to IPL ZZSA, and also containing
a text pds, to practice on, so you can become familiar with using the   
ZZSA file editor, and with the other ZZSA functions.

I have added a load library as well, and a listing of the (unrelated)   
program called NODSI, which lends itself to a simple zap, in order to   
remove a restriction to its use.

The Packaging of this file. 

The package is a zipped file, (pds member PRACZZSA) which unzips to 
a directory on the PC.  For argument's sake, we shall call the  
directory praczzsa (Practice using ZZSA).  The directory contains a 
subdirectory which has a version of the Hercules emulator.  I am
calling this version of the emulator hyperion-40w.  It comes from   
www.softdevlabs.com.

Detailed instructions on how to use ZZSA may be found at the URL:   

http://www.cbttape.org/~jjaeger/zzsa.html   

or see member $$$#ZZSA in this pds. 

Now, to set up ZZSA on your PC using this package.  

1.  UNZIP the zip file into a directory that we'll call C:\praczzsa 
If it is not the c: drive, make the appropriate adjustments 
to the accompanying .bat (batch) files in the directory.

2.  Go to a command prompt screen if you are using Windows. 

3.  cd to the directory, and run the zzsa.bat batch file.  Edit it  
to point to the proper disk if necessary.  An original copy of  
the IPL disk for zzsa is shipped with the package.  Its name is 
cyl005O.  With the first execution of the zzsa.bat file, this   
pack is copied over to the working pack, whose name is cyl005.  
In addition, a backup pack cyl005B is created with the first
execution of zzsa.bat.  Upon subsequent execution of zzsa.bat,  
you have a choice if you want to use the pack cyl005B from last 
time, or you can overlay your 

Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Charles Mills]

I have given this some more thought. I now think I would not mention Hercules, 
but not for the reasons you suspect. I would not mention it because when I was 
interviewing programmers I was looking for *accomplishments*, not products they 
had had a proximity to. So in an interview I might say

"I wrote a utility program that solves X which is a widespread problem."
"I wrote a set of Rexx scripts that make Y much more tractable."
"I kept my sysprog skills fresh by SMP/E-installing five products: X, Y, Z, ..."
"I taught myself RACF administration hands-on."

The interviewer might not follow up. But if he or she does ask "how did you do 
that after you left your last job three years ago?" I might answer "I have been 
fortunate to have had access to an MVS system all of that time."

Hercules itself is fundamentally irrelevant to the job you are applying for 
(unless the job is in a shop that runs Hercules or is considering it).

Charles


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On 4/9/20 5:23 PM, Bob Bridges wrote:
> This is new to me.  I've heard of Hercules, but I never heard that 
> it is considered, or that IBM would like it to be considered, an 
> illegal counterfeit.  Is there any ethical reason for that viewpoint? 
> No, forget "ethical"; I guess I can make up my own mind about that 
> (and there'll never be a consensus on it).  Is there any ~legal~ 
> basis for the assertion?

My understanding is that the crux of the issue is the license for MVS 
(newer than 3.8j), OS/390, and z/OS.  In short, those OSs require IBM 
""hardware to legally run them.

Seeing as how Hercules is decidedly /not/ IBM ""hardware, running any of 
the aforementioned OSs means that you are doing so illegally.

At least that's my layman's understanding.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I say ""hardware, because IBM does have zPDT / RDz that is — as I 
understand it — a purely software solution with the caveat of a hardware 
license dongle.  But the mainframe hardware is completely emulated in 
software.

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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Paul Gilmartin]

(BTW, system clock at prino.org seems 4 hours fast:
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On 2020-04-10, at 13:40:08, Robert Prins wrote:
> 
> On 2020-04-09 18:04, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>> 
 
>> What do others know about Fan Dezhi, aka tn3270://efglobe.com?
>> o Is it safe?
> 
> Define "safe"
>  
Doesn't install malware.  Doesn't trigger DMCA, etc. enforcement.

>> o Prohibits use for:
>>   - Training
> 
> To prevent sh*tloads of clueless Indians screwing up.
> 
>>   - any sort of "Hello world" program
> 
> About the dumbest program ever.
>  
Gotta start small.

>>   - What does that leave?
> 
> PL/I, Cobol, keeping your skill (marginally) up-to-date, in case you want to 
> go to New Jersey?
> 
>>   - Is OMVS available?
> 
> Also dead.
> 
"dead" as functionally stabilized, or as unavailable.  I thought
TCP/IP nowadays practically requires OMVS.  I wonder what Rexx
ADDRESS SYSCALL ... does?

>> o One of the named principals appears to be a regular contributor to 
>> IBM-MAIN.
> 
> Who? Me? Only admin on the forum, and that just means kicking off the 
> spammers, and blocking large parts of the Internet from even accessing it. I 
> rarely log on to the system nowadays, given that I now have legal access to 
> an completely up-to-date system.

>> o Who pays for it?

> efglobe, whoever they are.
>  
"whoever" exactly.

Thanks,
gil

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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Richards, Robert B.]

Greg, 

My understanding matches yours to a tee.

Anecdotal comment: My wife picked up the CD I got from SHARE and installed 
Hercules. Next, she brought up the OS. Next, she got sarcastic and said, "they 
pay you to do this?". Needless to say, I did try for awhile to try and get her 
into systems programming but she resisted the temptation. ☹

Bob 

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Greg Price
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On 2020-04-10 11:21 PM, Jackson, Rob wrote:
> The first time I ever encountered Hercules it was running z/OS 1.9 on an IBM 
> employee's IBM-owned laptop.

My understanding is that IBM generally considered IBM employees to be licensed 
to run IBM software in the course of their work for IBM. So, for example, an 
IBMer wishing to see if some licensable IBM software could run under Hercules 
by actually trying it out would not be subject to penalty from IBM - BUT if 
anyone who was not working for IBM tried it then it may well be a VERY 
different story.

Just my opinion...

Cheers,
Greg

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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Mike Schwab]

Hercules emulates IBM S/370 and successor hardware.  You have to
install the operating system and software and data on top of it.

zCobol and zAsm emulates the hardware and operating system calls to
run user mode software. http://z390.sourceforge.net/zcobol/index.html

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 11:18 AM Bob Bridges  wrote:
>
> It's taken me until this morning, as this thread continues, to realize that
> maybe I don't know what Hercules does after all.  "Mainframe emulation", I'd
> always heard, and supposed that meant that if I install Hercules on a PC
> I'll be able to write REXX execs, write and submit JCL, create PDSs and GDGs
> etc - in other words, that Hercules emulates MVS.  But if it doesn't emulate
> the mainframe operating system, what ~does~ it do?
>
> ---
> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
>
> /* When a man is getting better he understands more and more clearly the
> evil that is still left in him.  When a man is getting worse, he understands
> his own badness less and less.  A moderately bad man knows he is not very
> good; a thoroughly bad man thinks he is all right.  This is common sense,
> really.  You understand sleep when you are awake, not while you are
> sleeping.  You can see mistakes in arithmetic when your mind is working
> properly; while you are making them you cannot see them.  You can understand
> the nature of drunkenness when you are sober, not when you are drunk.  Good
> people know about both good and evil; bad people do not know about either.
> -C S Lewis, _Christian Behavior_ */
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Seymour J Metz
> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 06:34
>
> Don't confuse IBM's position on Hercules with IBM's position on running its
> licensed software on a platform for which it is not licensed.
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of
> scott Ford [idfli...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 12:55 PM
>
> Until Hercules is sanctioned by IBM I wouldnt mentioned it.
>
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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Brandon Tucker]

> But if it doesn't emulate
the mainframe operating system, what ~does~ it do?

It emulates System/370, ESA/390, and z/Architecture systems. However, you would 
still need a properly licensed OS to run. Its exactly like VMware workstation, 
VirtualBox, or HyperV.

If you could "acquire" an image of z/OS, it will happily run on z/OS Hercules. 
IBM would definitely frown upon this, though.

-Brandon

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Subject: Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

On 2020-04-10 11:21 PM, Jackson, Rob wrote:
> The first time I ever encountered Hercules it was running z/OS 1.9 on an IBM 
> employee's IBM-owned laptop.

My understanding is that IBM generally considered IBM employees to be
licensed to run IBM software in the course of their work for IBM. So,
for example, an IBMer wishing to see if some licensable IBM software
could run under Hercules by actually trying it out would not be subject
to penalty from IBM - BUT if anyone who was not working for IBM tried it
then it may well be a VERY different story.

Just my opinion...

Cheers,
Greg

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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Mark Jacobs]

This may help answering your question.

http://www.hercules-390.eu/hercfaq.html#1.01

Mark Jacobs

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On Friday, April 10, 2020 12:17 PM, Bob Bridges  wrote:

> It's taken me until this morning, as this thread continues, to realize that
> maybe I don't know what Hercules does after all. "Mainframe emulation", I'd
> always heard, and supposed that meant that if I install Hercules on a PC
> I'll be able to write REXX execs, write and submit JCL, create PDSs and GDGs
> etc - in other words, that Hercules emulates MVS. But if it doesn't emulate
> the mainframe operating system, what ~does~ it do?
>
> -
>
> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
>
> /* When a man is getting better he understands more and more clearly the
> evil that is still left in him. When a man is getting worse, he understands
> his own badness less and less. A moderately bad man knows he is not very
> good; a thoroughly bad man thinks he is all right. This is common sense,
> really. You understand sleep when you are awake, not while you are
> sleeping. You can see mistakes in arithmetic when your mind is working
> properly; while you are making them you cannot see them. You can understand
> the nature of drunkenness when you are sober, not when you are drunk. Good
> people know about both good and evil; bad people do not know about either.
> -C S Lewis, Christian Behavior */
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Seymour J Metz
> Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 06:34
>
> Don't confuse IBM's position on Hercules with IBM's position on running its
> licensed software on a platform for which it is not licensed.
>
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of
> scott Ford [idfli...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 12:55 PM
>
> Until Hercules is sanctioned by IBM I wouldnt mentioned it.
>
> 
>
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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Greg Price]

On 2020-04-10 11:21 PM, Jackson, Rob wrote:

The first time I ever encountered Hercules it was running z/OS 1.9 on an IBM 
employee's IBM-owned laptop.


My understanding is that IBM generally considered IBM employees to be 
licensed to run IBM software in the course of their work for IBM. So, 
for example, an IBMer wishing to see if some licensable IBM software 
could run under Hercules by actually trying it out would not be subject 
to penalty from IBM - BUT if anyone who was not working for IBM tried it 
then it may well be a VERY different story.


Just my opinion...

Cheers,
Greg

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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Bob Bridges]

It's taken me until this morning, as this thread continues, to realize that
maybe I don't know what Hercules does after all.  "Mainframe emulation", I'd
always heard, and supposed that meant that if I install Hercules on a PC
I'll be able to write REXX execs, write and submit JCL, create PDSs and GDGs
etc - in other words, that Hercules emulates MVS.  But if it doesn't emulate
the mainframe operating system, what ~does~ it do?

---
Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313

/* When a man is getting better he understands more and more clearly the
evil that is still left in him.  When a man is getting worse, he understands
his own badness less and less.  A moderately bad man knows he is not very
good; a thoroughly bad man thinks he is all right.  This is common sense,
really.  You understand sleep when you are awake, not while you are
sleeping.  You can see mistakes in arithmetic when your mind is working
properly; while you are making them you cannot see them.  You can understand
the nature of drunkenness when you are sober, not when you are drunk.  Good
people know about both good and evil; bad people do not know about either.
-C S Lewis, _Christian Behavior_ */

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
Behalf Of Seymour J Metz
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 06:34

Don't confuse IBM's position on Hercules with IBM's position on running its
licensed software on a platform for which it is not licensed.


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of
scott Ford [idfli...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2020 12:55 PM

Until Hercules is sanctioned by IBM I wouldnt mentioned it.

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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Seymour J Metz]

> o "whois" traces it to Denver.

No. Domain Protection Services, Inc. is not the registrant, but an organization 
that forwards to anonymous contacts.


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On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 12:55:11 -0400, scott Ford wrote:

>Until Hercules is sanctioned by IBM I wouldnt mentioned it.
>
>On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 4:08 PM Grant Taylor wrote:
>
>> On 4/8/20 1:13 PM, SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN Brandon Tucker wrote:
>>
>> > I've always wondered if it was a good idea bringing up skills
>> > acquired by using z/OS Hercules with a copy of 1.10 floating on the
>> > internet?
>>
>> I think it's always pertinent to bring up skills that you acquired on a
>> mainframe that you had access to.
>>
>> I think I would elide, if not actively avoid, that it was illegally
>> using licensed IBM software on a non-IBM emulator.
>>
What do others know about Fan Dezhi, aka tn3270://efglobe.com?
o Is it safe?
o Reportedly running z/OS 1.6!?
o Prohibits use for:
  - Training
  - any sort of "Hello world" program
  - [commercial use?]
  - What does that leave?
  - Is OMVS available?
o One of the named principals appears to be a regular contributor to IBM-MAIN.
o "whois" traces it to Denver.
o Who pays for it?

-- gil

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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Robert Prins]

On 2020-04-09 18:04, Paul Gilmartin wrote:

On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 12:55:11 -0400, scott Ford wrote:


Until Hercules is sanctioned by IBM I wouldnt mentioned it.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 4:08 PM Grant Taylor wrote:


On 4/8/20 1:13 PM, SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN Brandon Tucker wrote:


I've always wondered if it was a good idea bringing up skills
acquired by using z/OS Hercules with a copy of 1.10 floating on the
internet?


I think it's always pertinent to bring up skills that you acquired on a
mainframe that you had access to.

I think I would elide, if not actively avoid, that it was illegally
using licensed IBM software on a non-IBM emulator.


What do others know about Fan Dezhi, aka tn3270://efglobe.com?
o Is it safe?


Define "safe"


o Reportedly running z/OS 1.6!?


Yes, and both CICS and Db2 have been out-of-action for years.


o Prohibits use for:
   - Training


To prevent sh*tloads of clueless Indians screwing up.


   - any sort of "Hello world" program


About the dumbest program ever.


   - [commercial use?]


Rent your time from IBM!


   - What does that leave?


PL/I, Cobol, keeping your skill (marginally) up-to-date, in case you want to go 
to New Jersey?



   - Is OMVS available?


Also dead.


o One of the named principals appears to be a regular contributor to IBM-MAIN.


Who? Me? Only admin on the forum, and that just means kicking off the spammers, 
and blocking large parts of the Internet from even accessing it. I rarely log on 
to the system nowadays, given that I now have legal access to an completely 
up-to-date system.



o "whois" traces it to Denver.


I thought it was Canada.


o Who pays for it?


efglobe, whoever they are.

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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Jackson, Rob]

The first time I ever encountered Hercules it was running z/OS 1.9 on an IBM 
employee's IBM-owned laptop.  Do as I say, not as I do, I suppose.

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The issue is not whether IBM sanctions Hercules; in fact, IBM employees were 
involved in developing Hercules. Thw iaauw ia that it is illegal to run 
licensed software on Hercules without a license giving you the right to do so.

Note that even if IBM does decide to license, e.g., z/OS, for use on Hercules, 
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On 4/9/20 10:55 AM, scott Ford wrote:
> Until Hercules is sanctioned by IBM I wouldnt mentioned it.

In my opinion, IBM will never sanction Hercules.

I think that mentioning Hercules in the specific context of MVS 3.8j or
S/390 Linux or other free / non-licensed OSs is probably okay.

Doing so in a way that shows that you understand and respect the licensing 
situation is probably a good thing.



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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Seymour J Metz]

Don't confuse IBM's position on Hercules with IBM's position on running its 
licensed software on a platform for which it is not licensed.


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Until Hercules is sanctioned by IBM I wouldnt mentioned it.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 4:08 PM Grant Taylor <
023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On 4/8/20 1:13 PM, SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN Brandon Tucker wrote:
> > Greetings!
>
> Hello,
>
> > I've always wondered if it was a good idea bringing up skills
> > acquired by using z/OS Hercules with a copy of 1.10 floating on the
> > internet?
>
> I think it's always pertinent to bring up skills that you acquired on a
> mainframe that you had access to.
>
> I think I would elide, if not actively avoid, that it was illegally
> using licensed IBM software on a non-IBM emulator.
>
> > Has anyone heard of someone doing this during an interview? Or what
> > would you do/think if someone did this?
>
> With things like Master the Mainframe and hobbyists running their own
> machines, it's not outside of the realm of possibility for people to
> have access to a mainframe to learn.  It does take effort.  But it is
> possible.
>
> > Thanks!
>
> :-)
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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Seymour J Metz]

IBM employees were involved in the Hercules project and used it internally. 
What they were allowed to run on it is beyond my pay grade.


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Didn't IBM, at one time, allow IBMers to use Hercules? Has that changed?

Bob

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It would be legal to run, e.g., Debian, OpenSolaris, under Hercules. It would 
be legal to run a licensed copy of, e.g., SLES, under Hercules. The bone of 
contention is that IBM doesn't offer licenses to run, e.g., z/OS, under 
Hercules.


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On 9 Apr 2020 16:23:35 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
(Message-ID:<026c01d60ec5$da038be0$8e0aa3a0$@gmail.com>)
robhbrid...@gmail.com (Bob Bridges) wrote:

>This is new to me.  I've heard of Hercules, but I never heard that it
>is considered, or that IBM would like it to be considered, an illegal
>counterfeit.  Is there any ethical reason for that viewpoint?  No,
>forget "ethical"; I guess I can make up my own mind about that (and
>there'll never be a consensus on it).  Is there any ~legal~ basis for
>the assertion?

My understanding is that Hercules is perfectly legal and ethical. However, 
running an unlicensed, copyright operating system (such as z/OS) is quite a 
different story.
So, as people said, running MVS 3.8 under Hercules is fine, but any later OS is 
problematic.

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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Richards, Robert B.]

Didn't IBM, at one time, allow IBMers to use Hercules? Has that changed?

Bob

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It would be legal to run, e.g., Debian, OpenSolaris, under Hercules. It would 
be legal to run a licensed copy of, e.g., SLES, under Hercules. The bone of 
contention is that IBM doesn't offer licenses to run, e.g., z/OS, under 
Hercules.


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robhbrid...@gmail.com (Bob Bridges) wrote:

>This is new to me.  I've heard of Hercules, but I never heard that it 
>is considered, or that IBM would like it to be considered, an illegal 
>counterfeit.  Is there any ethical reason for that viewpoint?  No, 
>forget "ethical"; I guess I can make up my own mind about that (and 
>there'll never be a consensus on it).  Is there any ~legal~ basis for 
>the assertion?

My understanding is that Hercules is perfectly legal and ethical. However, 
running an unlicensed, copyright operating system (such as z/OS) is quite a 
different story.
So, as people said, running MVS 3.8 under Hercules is fine, but any later OS is 
problematic.

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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Seymour J Metz]

The domain efglobe.com is registered anonymously; that makes me nervous. OTOH, 
their web site looks legitimate.


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On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 12:55:11 -0400, scott Ford wrote:

>Until Hercules is sanctioned by IBM I wouldnt mentioned it.
>
>On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 4:08 PM Grant Taylor wrote:
>
>> On 4/8/20 1:13 PM, SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN Brandon Tucker wrote:
>>
>> > I've always wondered if it was a good idea bringing up skills
>> > acquired by using z/OS Hercules with a copy of 1.10 floating on the
>> > internet?
>>
>> I think it's always pertinent to bring up skills that you acquired on a
>> mainframe that you had access to.
>>
>> I think I would elide, if not actively avoid, that it was illegally
>> using licensed IBM software on a non-IBM emulator.
>>
What do others know about Fan Dezhi, aka tn3270://efglobe.com?
o Is it safe?
o Reportedly running z/OS 1.6!?
o Prohibits use for:
  - Training
  - any sort of "Hello world" program
  - [commercial use?]
  - What does that leave?
  - Is OMVS available?
o One of the named principals appears to be a regular contributor to IBM-MAIN.
o "whois" traces it to Denver.
o Who pays for it?

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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Seymour J Metz]

The issue is not whether IBM sanctions Hercules; in fact, IBM employees were 
involved in developing Hercules. Thw iaauw ia that it is illegal to run 
licensed software on Hercules without a license giving you the right to do so.

Note that even if IBM does decide to license, e.g., z/OS, for use on Hercules, 
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On 4/9/20 10:55 AM, scott Ford wrote:
> Until Hercules is sanctioned by IBM I wouldnt mentioned it.

In my opinion, IBM will never sanction Hercules.

I think that mentioning Hercules in the specific context of MVS 3.8j or
S/390 Linux or other free / non-licensed OSs is probably okay.

Doing so in a way that shows that you understand and respect the
licensing situation is probably a good thing.



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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Seymour J Metz]

There is no ethical or legal reason to consider Hercules an illegal 
counterfeit, nor has IBM made such a claim. The legal issue is running licensed 
software without paying for an applicable license. Unless IBM gives you a 
license to run, e.g., z/OS, on Hercules then there is no legal way to do it.


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This is new to me.  I've heard of Hercules, but I never heard that it is 
considered, or that IBM would like it to be considered, an illegal counterfeit. 
 Is there any ethical reason for that viewpoint?  No, forget "ethical"; I guess 
I can make up my own mind about that (and there'll never be a consensus on it). 
 Is there any ~legal~ basis for the assertion?

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In my opinion, IBM will never sanction Hercules.

I think that mentioning Hercules in the specific context of MVS 3.8j or
S/390 Linux or other free / non-licensed OSs is probably okay.

Doing so in a way that shows that you understand and respect the
licensing situation is probably a good thing.

--- On 4/9/20 10:55 AM, scott Ford wrote:
> Until Hercules is sanctioned by IBM I wouldnt mentioned it.

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[Seymour J Metz]

It would be legal to run, e.g., Debian, OpenSolaris, under Hercules. It would 
be legal to run a licensed copy of, e.g., SLES, under Hercules. The bone of 
contention is that IBM doesn't offer licenses to run, e.g., z/OS, under 
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On 9 Apr 2020 16:23:35 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
(Message-ID:<026c01d60ec5$da038be0$8e0aa3a0$@gmail.com>)
robhbrid...@gmail.com (Bob Bridges) wrote:

>This is new to me.  I've heard of Hercules, but I never
>heard that it is considered, or that IBM would like it to
>be considered, an illegal counterfeit.  Is there any
>ethical reason for that viewpoint?  No, forget "ethical";
>I guess I can make up my own mind about that (and there'll
>never be a consensus on it).  Is there any ~legal~ basis
>for the assertion?

My understanding is that Hercules is perfectly legal and
ethical. However, running an unlicensed, copyright
operating system (such as z/OS) is quite a different story.
So, as people said, running MVS 3.8 under Hercules is fine,
but any later OS is problematic.

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[Seymour J Metz]

Linux is open source. If you buy a Linux distribution, you are legally entitled 
to give Linux, or any other FOSS to anybody that you want. The catch is that 
the distribution may include proprietary software and may be proprietary even 
if the individual components are not.- Even when you are permitted to 
redistribute a distribution as a whole, the copies would not be covered by any 
service bundled with the original.

In particular, RHEL and SLES are proprietary distributions whose prime 
attractions are the support; strip out the proprietary pieces and put together 
your own distribution and you get something unsupported as a unit, althogh 
there may be support channels for some individual components.


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It's legal to run z enabled Linux on Hercules. Not sure what you would
achieve over just running Linux on Wintel but interesting in that you may
then have marketable skills for a real z shop.

You can run mainframe Linuxes without fear of the license police. RHEL and
SLES are battle-hardened supported commercial editions. Of course there are
also free-of-cost mainframe Linuxes:

   - Fedora s390x <http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/s390x>
   - Debian s390 
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   - Gentoo 
<http://secure-web.cisco.com/1B8pNKu3MscInuOPGV9T-du7L9OdxE90qBI0JjNG7oA5fktv9K25lExVS-OIIeKguing2mwwLMlBGclB1PDpIgQVcSMNdoIVe9EiAp7DOOgZkvdm1YnxIbDZ0cegaBkRZSnTEzhuDdiw32j6ym_0PMKxH0Luy7tfB-klU7L51aeAEUCbQkY_fcMqZ2RCWvFOMSchEmubcQ1lXx8iZqf5JOQfYTuzRuBijK7fGCI5NgPXWN2btB8_P_SG4AuqsS_fq_83EhLHkxJ1PzqnVVJAqFITtk-3V0KhJcrF_hE3Z4KWRsoF2OH2I8C22CQzKck_JU3rk-cLs6wMiW5MLND5vYTAgMygQVAAxhZWTuawIZdHYRXzybZjc0J-4bP2CeAa7UQrGSQpWV3ahRZ1kXIJWDhOKzWnNKrbnWzzeufRH72EQqP-sR9R0uju4-lR4sI3g/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gentoo.org%2Fmain%2Fen%2Fwhere.xml>
   - Centos 
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On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 10:09 AM Arthur  wrote:

> On 9 Apr 2020 16:23:35 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
> (Message-ID:<026c01d60ec5$da038be0$8e0aa3a0$@gmail.com>)
> robhbrid...@gmail.com (Bob Bridges) wrote:
>
> >This is new to me.  I've heard of Hercules, but I never
> >heard that it is considered, or that IBM would like it to
> >be considered, an illegal counterfeit.  Is there any
> >ethical reason for that viewpoint?  No, forget "ethical";
> >I guess I can make up my own mind about that 

Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Mike Schwab]

Here is a thread about Year 2000 IBM 370/390/ESA and future z
emulators.  FSI had been selling 390/ESA emulators through IBM, but
would not get a license to emulate z processors.
https://tech-insider.org/mainframes/research/2001/0308.html

PSI was trying to sell Itaniums running an emulator to run IBM Z
operating systems.  Lawsuits were filed and settled by IBM buying PSI.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/02/ibm_buys_psi/

Then Neon was selling zPrime to run DB2 on zAAPs, lost the lawsuit by
the judge ruling IBM's contract controlled what could run on zAAPs,
and was bought out by IBM.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/01/ibm_prevails_over_neon_zprime/

Then Turbo Hercules was set up to sell x86 rack mounted servers with
an high speed assembler to run z systems for Test and Disaster
Recovery.  They shut down when the court ruled the contract covered
what processors could run what software (Neon zPrime) and the EU
dropped their investigation about tying IBM Z software to IBM z
processors.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_(emulator)#TurboHercules

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 12:28 AM Grant Taylor
<023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> On 4/9/20 5:23 PM, Bob Bridges wrote:
> > This is new to me.  I've heard of Hercules, but I never heard that
> > it is considered, or that IBM would like it to be considered, an
> > illegal counterfeit.  Is there any ethical reason for that viewpoint?
> > No, forget "ethical"; I guess I can make up my own mind about that
> > (and there'll never be a consensus on it).  Is there any ~legal~
> > basis for the assertion?
>
> My understanding is that the crux of the issue is the license for MVS
> (newer than 3.8j), OS/390, and z/OS.  In short, those OSs require IBM
> ""hardware to legally run them.
>
> Seeing as how Hercules is decidedly /not/ IBM ""hardware, running any of
> the aforementioned OSs means that you are doing so illegally.
>
> At least that's my layman's understanding.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> I say ""hardware, because IBM does have zPDT / RDz that is — as I
> understand it — a purely software solution with the caveat of a hardware
> license dongle.  But the mainframe hardware is completely emulated in
> software.
>
>
>
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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Grant Taylor]

On 4/9/20 5:23 PM, Bob Bridges wrote:
This is new to me.  I've heard of Hercules, but I never heard that 
it is considered, or that IBM would like it to be considered, an 
illegal counterfeit.  Is there any ethical reason for that viewpoint? 
No, forget "ethical"; I guess I can make up my own mind about that 
(and there'll never be a consensus on it).  Is there any ~legal~ 
basis for the assertion?


My understanding is that the crux of the issue is the license for MVS 
(newer than 3.8j), OS/390, and z/OS.  In short, those OSs require IBM 
""hardware to legally run them.


Seeing as how Hercules is decidedly /not/ IBM ""hardware, running any of 
the aforementioned OSs means that you are doing so illegally.


At least that's my layman's understanding.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I say ""hardware, because IBM does have zPDT / RDz that is — as I 
understand it — a purely software solution with the caveat of a hardware 
license dongle.  But the mainframe hardware is completely emulated in 
software.




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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 11:20:10 +1000, Wayne Bickerdike  wrote:

>It's legal to run z enabled Linux on Hercules. Not sure what you would
>achieve over just running Linux on Wintel but interesting in that you may
>then have marketable skills for a real z shop.
> 
Testing programs for z-compatibility.  The most obvious pitfalls arise from
endianness and type-punning.

I understand that some Hercules principals believe they could implement
STP and ICSF, not well documented in the PoOps, but choose not to
because of possible legal entanglements.

>You can run mainframe Linuxes without fear of the license police. RHEL and
>SLES are battle-hardened supported commercial editions. Of course there are
>also free-of-cost mainframe Linuxes:
>
>   - Fedora s390x 
>   - Debian s390 
>   - Gentoo 
>   - Centos , using RHEL instructions
>   
> 
>   - openSUSE 
>
>
>On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 10:09 AM Arthur  wrote:
>
>> On 9 Apr 2020 16:23:35 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
>> (Message-ID:<026c01d60ec5$da038be0$8e0aa3a0$@gmail.com>)
>> robhbrid...@gmail.com (Bob Bridges) wrote:
>>
>> >This is new to me.  I've heard of Hercules, but I never
>> >heard that it is considered, or that IBM would like it to
>> >be considered, an illegal counterfeit.  Is there any
>> >ethical reason for that viewpoint?  No, forget "ethical";
>> >I guess I can make up my own mind about that (and there'll
>> >never be a consensus on it).  Is there any ~legal~ basis
>> >for the assertion?
>>
>> My understanding is that Hercules is perfectly legal and
>> ethical. However, running an unlicensed, copyright
>> operating system (such as z/OS) is quite a different story.
>> So, as people said, running MVS 3.8 under Hercules is fine,
>> but any later OS is problematic.

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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Wayne Bickerdike]

It's legal to run z enabled Linux on Hercules. Not sure what you would
achieve over just running Linux on Wintel but interesting in that you may
then have marketable skills for a real z shop.

You can run mainframe Linuxes without fear of the license police. RHEL and
SLES are battle-hardened supported commercial editions. Of course there are
also free-of-cost mainframe Linuxes:

   - Fedora s390x 
   - Debian s390 
   - Gentoo 
   - Centos , using RHEL instructions
   

   - openSUSE 


On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 10:09 AM Arthur  wrote:

> On 9 Apr 2020 16:23:35 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main
> (Message-ID:<026c01d60ec5$da038be0$8e0aa3a0$@gmail.com>)
> robhbrid...@gmail.com (Bob Bridges) wrote:
>
> >This is new to me.  I've heard of Hercules, but I never
> >heard that it is considered, or that IBM would like it to
> >be considered, an illegal counterfeit.  Is there any
> >ethical reason for that viewpoint?  No, forget "ethical";
> >I guess I can make up my own mind about that (and there'll
> >never be a consensus on it).  Is there any ~legal~ basis
> >for the assertion?
>
> My understanding is that Hercules is perfectly legal and
> ethical. However, running an unlicensed, copyright
> operating system (such as z/OS) is quite a different story.
> So, as people said, running MVS 3.8 under Hercules is fine,
> but any later OS is problematic.
>
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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Arthur]

On 9 Apr 2020 16:23:35 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
(Message-ID:<026c01d60ec5$da038be0$8e0aa3a0$@gmail.com>) 
robhbrid...@gmail.com (Bob Bridges) wrote:


This is new to me.  I've heard of Hercules, but I never 
heard that it is considered, or that IBM would like it to 
be considered, an illegal counterfeit.  Is there any 
ethical reason for that viewpoint?  No, forget "ethical"; 
I guess I can make up my own mind about that (and there'll 
never be a consensus on it).  Is there any ~legal~ basis 
for the assertion?


My understanding is that Hercules is perfectly legal and 
ethical. However, running an unlicensed, copyright 
operating system (such as z/OS) is quite a different story. 
So, as people said, running MVS 3.8 under Hercules is fine, 
but any later OS is problematic. 


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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Bob Bridges]

This is new to me.  I've heard of Hercules, but I never heard that it is 
considered, or that IBM would like it to be considered, an illegal counterfeit. 
 Is there any ethical reason for that viewpoint?  No, forget "ethical"; I guess 
I can make up my own mind about that (and there'll never be a consensus on it). 
 Is there any ~legal~ basis for the assertion?

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In my opinion, IBM will never sanction Hercules.

I think that mentioning Hercules in the specific context of MVS 3.8j or 
S/390 Linux or other free / non-licensed OSs is probably okay.

Doing so in a way that shows that you understand and respect the 
licensing situation is probably a good thing.

--- On 4/9/20 10:55 AM, scott Ford wrote:
> Until Hercules is sanctioned by IBM I wouldnt mentioned it.

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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Charles Mills]

+1 on all counts.

And follow the interviewer's lead: if s/he says "we don't believe in those 
illegal hippie bootleg mainframes!" then for gosh sakes don't bring it up again.

Charles


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On 4/9/20 10:55 AM, scott Ford wrote:
> Until Hercules is sanctioned by IBM I wouldnt mentioned it.

In my opinion, IBM will never sanction Hercules.

I think that mentioning Hercules in the specific context of MVS 3.8j or 
S/390 Linux or other free / non-licensed OSs is probably okay.

Doing so in a way that shows that you understand and respect the 
licensing situation is probably a good thing.

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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Grant Taylor]

On 4/9/20 10:55 AM, scott Ford wrote:

Until Hercules is sanctioned by IBM I wouldnt mentioned it.


In my opinion, IBM will never sanction Hercules.

I think that mentioning Hercules in the specific context of MVS 3.8j or 
S/390 Linux or other free / non-licensed OSs is probably okay.


Doing so in a way that shows that you understand and respect the 
licensing situation is probably a good thing.




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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 12:55:11 -0400, scott Ford wrote:

>Until Hercules is sanctioned by IBM I wouldnt mentioned it.
>
>On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 4:08 PM Grant Taylor wrote:
>
>> On 4/8/20 1:13 PM, SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN Brandon Tucker wrote:
>>
>> > I've always wondered if it was a good idea bringing up skills
>> > acquired by using z/OS Hercules with a copy of 1.10 floating on the
>> > internet?
>>
>> I think it's always pertinent to bring up skills that you acquired on a
>> mainframe that you had access to.
>>
>> I think I would elide, if not actively avoid, that it was illegally
>> using licensed IBM software on a non-IBM emulator.
>>
What do others know about Fan Dezhi, aka tn3270://efglobe.com?
o Is it safe?
o Reportedly running z/OS 1.6!?
o Prohibits use for:
  - Training
  - any sort of "Hello world" program
  - [commercial use?]
  - What does that leave?
  - Is OMVS available?
o One of the named principals appears to be a regular contributor to IBM-MAIN.
o "whois" traces it to Denver.
o Who pays for it?

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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[scott Ford]

Until Hercules is sanctioned by IBM I wouldnt mentioned it.

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 4:08 PM Grant Taylor <
023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On 4/8/20 1:13 PM, SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN Brandon Tucker wrote:
> > Greetings!
>
> Hello,
>
> > I've always wondered if it was a good idea bringing up skills
> > acquired by using z/OS Hercules with a copy of 1.10 floating on the
> > internet?
>
> I think it's always pertinent to bring up skills that you acquired on a
> mainframe that you had access to.
>
> I think I would elide, if not actively avoid, that it was illegally
> using licensed IBM software on a non-IBM emulator.
>
> > Has anyone heard of someone doing this during an interview? Or what
> > would you do/think if someone did this?
>
> With things like Master the Mainframe and hobbyists running their own
> machines, it's not outside of the realm of possibility for people to
> have access to a mainframe to learn.  It does take effort.  But it is
> possible.
>
> > Thanks!
>
> :-)
>
>
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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Grant Taylor]

On 4/8/20 1:13 PM, SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN Brandon Tucker wrote:

Greetings!


Hello,

I've always wondered if it was a good idea bringing up skills 
acquired by using z/OS Hercules with a copy of 1.10 floating on the 
internet?


I think it's always pertinent to bring up skills that you acquired on a 
mainframe that you had access to.


I think I would elide, if not actively avoid, that it was illegally 
using licensed IBM software on a non-IBM emulator.


Has anyone heard of someone doing this during an interview? Or what 
would you do/think if someone did this?


With things like Master the Mainframe and hobbyists running their own 
machines, it's not outside of the realm of possibility for people to 
have access to a mainframe to learn.  It does take effort.  But it is 
possible.



Thanks!


:-)



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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Wayne Bickerdike]

I would consider you to be a person who really likes to learn. I wouldn't
mention in an interview with IBM. When can you start?

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020, 05:24 SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN Brandon Tucker <
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> Greetings!
>
> I've always wondered if it was a good idea bringing up skills acquired by
> using z/OS Hercules with a copy of 1.10 floating on the internet?
>
> Has anyone heard of someone doing this during an interview? Or what would
> you do/think if someone did this?
>
> Thanks!
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Re: Bringing up skills learned on z/OS Hercules in interview?

[Seymour J Metz]

It's never a good idea in an interview to say that you run pirated software. 
But for those who have zPDT or some other legal platform, I'd mention it. 
Likewise those running OS/VS2 R3.8 on Hercules - dated, but a lot of things 
carry through.


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Greetings!

I've always wondered if it was a good idea bringing up skills acquired by using 
z/OS Hercules with a copy of 1.10 floating on the internet?

Has anyone heard of someone doing this during an interview? Or what would you 
do/think if someone did this?

Thanks!

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[SUBSCRIBE IBM-MAIN Brandon Tucker]

Greetings!

I've always wondered if it was a good idea bringing up skills acquired by using 
z/OS Hercules with a copy of 1.10 floating on the internet? 

Has anyone heard of someone doing this during an interview? Or what would you 
do/think if someone did this?

Thanks!

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