Re: O/T What The Imitation Game didn t tell you about Turing s greatest triumph - The Washington Post
On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 18:48:34 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: His e-mail client; does your e-mail client claim to support MIME? And, are his LISTSERV options set to Full Headers? I've known LISTSERV to discard essential MIME parameters when abbreviated headers is selected. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: O/T What 'The Imitation Game¹ didn¹t tell you about Turing¹s greatest triumph - The Washington Post
In 54ecaf3e.2050...@acm.org, on 02/24/2015 at 11:05 AM, Joel Ewing jcew...@acm.org said: Clearly the URL problem has occurred by the time the post is received by IBM-MAIN No; the copy I received from IBM-MAIN does not have a broken URL, but rather a URL correctly encoded as QP. The problem is that TB does not handle MIME correctly. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: O/T What The Imitation Game didn t tell you about Turing s greatest triumph - The Washington Post
In CAHtJz9+fs+gw9gchFRc_FWq=oUjBSd6EE=oc-2k=6=b2y0q...@mail.gmail.com, on 02/23/2015 at 07:22 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wayn...@gmail.com said: The link works fine in my Gmail client. Almost all of Pauls OMVS email postings end up in my spam folder. Google have been supplied with many examples for their (non) spam filter. Any one else find this happens? Well, they're certainly not overzealous filtering their *outbound* spam. It's just one of many ways that google is badly broken. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: O/T What The Imitation Game¹ didn¹t tell you about Turing¹s greatest triumph - The Washington Post
In p06240805d111b0e28666@[192.168.1.11], on 02/23/2015 at 11:59 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg hal9...@panix.com said: Format-flowed says that long lines are split with each line ending in =20CR. Yes, but you don't need format=flowed for lines to be split when using QP. TB handling of MIME is broken, regardless of format=flowed or delsp. The URL was malformed since it was not included in angle brackets. Not even close: the URL was valid per RFC 3986. Presumably you're thinking of Appendix C. Delimiting a URI in Context, but it doesn't say that angle brackets are required. Again, TB is broken. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: O/T What The Imitation Game didn t tell you about Turing s greatest triumph - The Washington Post
In 54eb51f4.9020...@acm.org, on 02/23/2015 at 10:14 AM, Joel Ewing jcew...@acm.org said: In the original Email that I received from Ed the Email source text (as opposed to the way my Email client renders it) shows the presence of a hex-encoded blank (= 2 0) followed by a CR at about the 70-character mark in the two places where the original URL later gets separated when quoted. That sounds like QP. I checked, and he has the appropriate MIME fields in his header, e.g., Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable. I'm not sure who or what is producing or introducing this URL formatting as it is definitely not part of the actual URL. His e-mail client; does your e-mail client claim to support MIME? My Thunderbird Email client seems to partly realize that the extra characters are not a legitimate part of the URL and when displaying the Email elides the three parts without a blank or forced CR, but the part rendered in blue as a link and the part passed as the URL when clicking on the link stops at the first = 2 0 CR point, so the passed URL from the link doesn't work in my browser. Sounds like a bug in BlunderBird. Is anybody supporting it these days? (depends on whether this way of wrapping long character strings is actually an approved Email standard) RFC 2045 through 2049 are standards track. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: O/T What 'The Imitation Game¹ didn¹t tell you about Turing¹s greatest triumph - The Washington Post
On 02/23/2015 10:59 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: At 11:59 -0600 on 02/23/2015, Paul Gilmartin wrote about Re: O/T What ŒThe Imitation Game¹ didn¹t tell you abo: On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 10:14:44 -0600, Joel Ewing wrote: In the original Email that I received from Ed the Email source text (as opposed to the way my Email client renders it) shows the presence of a hex-encoded blank (= 2 0) followed by a CR at about the 70-character GIYF: Character-set: USASCII; Format-flowed Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable This is certainly a confusing inconsistency in Thunderbird if not an out-right bug (depends on whether this way of wrapping long character strings is actually an approved Email standard). RFC 822 requires support for up to 999. Format-flowed says that long lines are split with each line ending in =20CR. Each split line should be no longer than 80 characters (including the =20CR). Your input meets this format. The =20CR is removed and the next line is concatenated until a line does NOT end with =20CR. At that point you have the original long input line. This requires that the receiving MUA support Format-flowed however. Apparently some other Email clients do interpret it in a way that preserves the link. On the other hand there are certainly Email clients that send long URLs without using this formatting convention, as I frequently receive long URLs in Emails (including the reformatted version of this URL from Paul) that work fine with Thunderbird. See my prior message. The URL was malformed since it was not included in angle brackets. URLs without angle brackets are part of the text and are not indicated as URLs - Thus may not be spotted for special treatment. Note that such text URLs MAY be correctly handled anyway but you are playing Russian Roulette with 5 bullets if you do not bracket your URLs. -- gil From doing some testing with my Thunderbird Email client, which by default does text line wrapping at around 70 chars for composed mail, if I send a long URL in an Email via copy/paste from a browser URL it does not use angle brackets around the URL but does suppress line wrapping in the middle of the URL. From looking in the IBM-MAIN archives at the original 21 Feb 2015 23:34:42 -0600 posting by Ed Gould and comparing that to the follow-up 22 Feb 2015 08:56:50 -0600 posting by Paul Gilmartin you can see that Paul's post with the usable URL follows the same convention as Thunderbird of suppressing line wrap within the URL while other text lines are wrapped at a shorter length. While the browser display of that archived posting does wrap the URL depending on browser window size, increasing the width of the browser window causes the URL to re-flow to fill the larger width, clearly showing the URL in the post itself is not line wrapped. Just as clearly the original post by Ed has the URL line-wrapped at the same length as ordinary text and the browser link in the IBM-MAIN archive web page display excludes the last two lines intended as part of the URL. Clearly the URL problem has occurred by the time the post is received by IBM-MAIN and whatever convention is used to broadcast the postings to the list members is just preserving that difference. If the technique and application Ed is using to compose his postings does not allow any way to influence line wrapping, then manually inserting angle brackets around the entire URL might circumvent the problem; but I suspect the sending application could still do things in the way it handles line wrap or assigns Email content attributes that might prevent that suggestion from working as well. If Ed has no way to circumvent and it's an interesting enough link, it's not that big of deal for a recipient to circumvent the problem manually by editing the URL. -- Joel C. Ewing,Bentonville, AR jcew...@acm.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: O/T What The Imitation Game¹ didn¹t tell you about Turing¹s greatest triumph - The Washington Post
At 11:59 -0600 on 02/23/2015, Paul Gilmartin wrote about Re: O/T What The Imitation Game¹ didn¹t tell you abo: On Mon, 23 Feb 2015 10:14:44 -0600, Joel Ewing wrote: In the original Email that I received from Ed the Email source text (as opposed to the way my Email client renders it) shows the presence of a hex-encoded blank (= 2 0) followed by a CR at about the 70-character GIYF: Character-set: USASCII; Format-flowed Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable This is certainly a confusing inconsistency in Thunderbird if not an out-right bug (depends on whether this way of wrapping long character strings is actually an approved Email standard). RFC 822 requires support for up to 999. Format-flowed says that long lines are split with each line ending in =20CR. Each split line should be no longer than 80 characters (including the =20CR). Your input meets this format. The =20CR is removed and the next line is concatenated until a line does NOT end with =20CR. At that point you have the original long input line. This requires that the receiving MUA support Format-flowed however. Apparently some other Email clients do interpret it in a way that preserves the link. On the other hand there are certainly Email clients that send long URLs without using this formatting convention, as I frequently receive long URLs in Emails (including the reformatted version of this URL from Paul) that work fine with Thunderbird. See my prior message. The URL was malformed since it was not included in angle brackets. URLs without angle brackets are part of the text and are not indicated as URLs - Thus may not be spotted for special treatment. Note that such text URLs MAY be correctly handled anyway but you are playing Russian Roulette with 5 bullets if you do not bracket your URLs. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: O/T What The Imitation Game¹ didn¹t tell you about Turing¹s greatest triumph - The Washington Post
At 08:56 -0600 on 02/22/2015, Paul Gilmartin wrote about Re: O/T What The Imitation Game¹ didn¹t tell you abo: On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 23:34:42 -0600, Ed Gould wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/what-imitation- game-didnt-tell-you-about-alan-turings-greatest-triumph/2015/02/20/ ffd210b6-b606-11e4-9423-f3d0a1ec335c_story.html What ?The Imitation Game? didn?t tell you about Turing?s greatest triumph Unwrapped, I hope: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/what-imitation-game-didnt-tell-you-about-alan-turings-greatest-triumph/2015/02/20/ffd210b6-b606-11e4-9423-f3d0a1ec335c_story.html Ed needs to get a better mail agent. In cases such as this, dumber is probably better than amarter. Or just use a URL Shortener. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: O/T What ŒThe Imitation Game¹ didn¹t tell you about Turing¹s greatest triumph - The Washington Post
On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 15:05:29 -0500, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: Unwrapped, I hope: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/what-imitation-game-didnt-tell-you-about-alan-turings-greatest-triumph/2015/02/20/ffd210b6-b606-11e4-9423-f3d0a1ec335c_story.html Ed needs to get a better mail agent. In cases such as this, dumber is probably better than amarter. Or just use a URL Shortener. I avoid those. Whatever their business models, their revenues depend on tracking the person who supplies them and those who click on them. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: O/T What The Imitation Game¹ didn¹t tell you about Turing¹s greatest triumph - The Washington Post
I don't know what the problem is on my end as I am able to click on the url and it took me to the desired location, so I suspect the issue is either with the list serv or your mail client. Ed On Feb 22, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg wrote: At 08:56 -0600 on 02/22/2015, Paul Gilmartin wrote about Re: O/T What ŒThe Imitation Game¹ didn¹t tell you abo: On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 23:34:42 -0600, Ed Gould wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/what- imitation- game-didnt-tell-you-about-alan-turings-greatest-triumph/2015/02/20/ ffd210b6-b606-11e4-9423-f3d0a1ec335c_story.html What ?The Imitation Game? didn?t tell you about Turing?s greatest triumph Unwrapped, I hope: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/what- imitation-game-didnt-tell-you-about-alan-turings-greatest-triumph/ 2015/02/20/ffd210b6-b606-11e4-9423-f3d0a1ec335c_story.html Ed needs to get a better mail agent. In cases such as this, dumber is probably better than amarter. Or just use a URL Shortener. -- gil - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM- MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
