Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!
On Sun, 17 Sep 2023, at 15:53, Bill Johnson wrote: > With a name like Bill Johnson, I would either be Scandinavian or black > most likely. In the UK, Bill Johnson would be a common enough name, and neither of those things would be likely. I think your "most likely" needs the additional qualification of "in the USA", and perhaps the likelhood of the Scandinavian option depends on how close you are to one of the areas where many Scandinavians settled? -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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On Sun, 17 Sep 2023, at 16:50, Bill Johnson wrote: > Snowdon is from the old English meaning snow hill. (Snow dun) Dun ... /English/? I think not; Scots/Irish, yes, where it was a hill /fort/. Dunedin in NZ is named thus (in homage to Edinburgh) and it's a reference to the early name anglicised as "Dun Edin", the name of the hill fort that was once here, in the times of the Gododdin. Calling it "English" could start a fight here. -- Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!
The culture for most Mizrachi and Sephardi Jews is very different from that of Ashkenazi Jews. Did he read his own cite? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob T Roller <044ef325f6c3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 5:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! Johnson is correct. To U.S. Jews, being Jewish is not just about religion There is no one way that American Jews think about being Jewish, as the survey makes clear. When asked whether being Jewish is mainly a matter of religion, ancestry or culture, some Jewish respondents pick each of those things, and many choose some combination of them. In fact, among the most common answers – expressed by about one-in-five U.S. Jews (19%) – is that being Jewish is about religion, ancestry and culture. Similar shares say being Jewish is mainly a matter of just culture (22%) or just ancestry (21%). About half as many (11%) say being Jewish is mainly about religion alone. The remainder give other responses, such as that being Jewish is about both ancestry and culture (10%). >From Pew research. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/jewish-identity-and-belief/ Sent from [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/mail/home) for iOS On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 1:09 AM, g...@gabegold.com <[g...@gabegold.com](mailto:On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 1:09 AM, g...@gabegold.com < wrote: > You could also incorrectly "tell" that I didn't have a college degree. > > You have a talent for gratuitous insults and an obsession with starting and > then arguing about wild digressions from whatever was the topic at hand. > > AI to assembler language to system programming demographics is quite the > meander; each of those would have been worth separate discussions, but not in > the unpleasant way you bring them up and then harangue anyone who disagrees > with you. > > A basic question is why, since you disdain everyone here and disagree with > most of what people say, you're still here. You're not changing minds, not > making friends, not providing useful information, and not contributing > anything. You're excellent at trolling though, which seems to be your sad > reason for being. So you're entertaining, in a ghastly sort of way. > > On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 18:33:25 +, Bill Johnson wrote: > >>Are you that naive? Ever been to Share? The current makeup of mainframe >>systems programmers is 65% white, 15% Asian, 9% Hispanic & 5% African >>American. Factoring in most of the heavy posters are over 50, the >>demographics are even more white since almost all systems programmers who got >>into IT in the 50’s through the 70’s were almost exclusively white. Guess >>what? I can also tell which people are Jewish, Asian, Hispanic, Scandinavian, >>Irish, and most other ethnicities. That’s not nearly as easy but it’s not as >>difficult as you’d think. I’d bet Oujeski isn’t a black guy. My Father in >>Law’s name was Majewski. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!
Just quoting a survey proves nothing. Plenty of Muslims became Muslims because they married a Muslim. So I guess you can divorce your ethnicity and marry another one. On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 7:29 AM Bob T Roller < 044ef325f6c3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Johnson is correct. > > To U.S. Jews, being Jewish is not just about religion > > There is no one way that American Jews think about being Jewish, as the > survey makes clear. When asked whether being Jewish is mainly a matter of > religion, ancestry or culture, some Jewish respondents pick each of those > things, and many choose some combination of them. In fact, among the most > common answers – expressed by about one-in-five U.S. Jews (19%) – is that > being Jewish is about religion, ancestry and culture. > > Similar shares say being Jewish is mainly a matter of just culture (22%) > or just ancestry (21%). About half as many (11%) say being Jewish is mainly > about religion alone. The remainder give other responses, such as that > being Jewish is about both ancestry and culture (10%). > > From Pew research. > > https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/jewish-identity-and-belief/ > > Sent from [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/mail/home) for iOS > > On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 1:09 AM, g...@gabegold.com <[g...@gabegold.com > ](mailto:On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 1:09 AM, g...@gabegold.com < > wrote: > > > You could also incorrectly "tell" that I didn't have a college degree. > > > > You have a talent for gratuitous insults and an obsession with starting > and then arguing about wild digressions from whatever was the topic at hand. > > > > AI to assembler language to system programming demographics is quite the > meander; each of those would have been worth separate discussions, but not > in the unpleasant way you bring them up and then harangue anyone who > disagrees with you. > > > > A basic question is why, since you disdain everyone here and disagree > with most of what people say, you're still here. You're not changing minds, > not making friends, not providing useful information, and not contributing > anything. You're excellent at trolling though, which seems to be your sad > reason for being. So you're entertaining, in a ghastly sort of way. > > > > On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 18:33:25 +, Bill Johnson > wrote: > > > >>Are you that naive? Ever been to Share? The current makeup of mainframe > systems programmers is 65% white, 15% Asian, 9% Hispanic & 5% African > American. Factoring in most of the heavy posters are over 50, the > demographics are even more white since almost all systems programmers who > got into IT in the 50’s through the 70’s were almost exclusively white. > Guess what? I can also tell which people are Jewish, Asian, Hispanic, > Scandinavian, Irish, and most other ethnicities. That’s not nearly as easy > but it’s not as difficult as you’d think. I’d bet Oujeski isn’t a black > guy. My Father in Law’s name was Majewski. > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Johnson is correct. To U.S. Jews, being Jewish is not just about religion There is no one way that American Jews think about being Jewish, as the survey makes clear. When asked whether being Jewish is mainly a matter of religion, ancestry or culture, some Jewish respondents pick each of those things, and many choose some combination of them. In fact, among the most common answers – expressed by about one-in-five U.S. Jews (19%) – is that being Jewish is about religion, ancestry and culture. Similar shares say being Jewish is mainly a matter of just culture (22%) or just ancestry (21%). About half as many (11%) say being Jewish is mainly about religion alone. The remainder give other responses, such as that being Jewish is about both ancestry and culture (10%). From Pew research. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/jewish-identity-and-belief/ Sent from [Proton Mail](https://proton.me/mail/home) for iOS On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 1:09 AM, g...@gabegold.com <[g...@gabegold.com](mailto:On Sat, Sep 16, 2023 at 1:09 AM, g...@gabegold.com < wrote: > You could also incorrectly "tell" that I didn't have a college degree. > > You have a talent for gratuitous insults and an obsession with starting and > then arguing about wild digressions from whatever was the topic at hand. > > AI to assembler language to system programming demographics is quite the > meander; each of those would have been worth separate discussions, but not in > the unpleasant way you bring them up and then harangue anyone who disagrees > with you. > > A basic question is why, since you disdain everyone here and disagree with > most of what people say, you're still here. You're not changing minds, not > making friends, not providing useful information, and not contributing > anything. You're excellent at trolling though, which seems to be your sad > reason for being. So you're entertaining, in a ghastly sort of way. > > On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 18:33:25 +, Bill Johnson wrote: > >>Are you that naive? Ever been to Share? The current makeup of mainframe >>systems programmers is 65% white, 15% Asian, 9% Hispanic & 5% African >>American. Factoring in most of the heavy posters are over 50, the >>demographics are even more white since almost all systems programmers who got >>into IT in the 50’s through the 70’s were almost exclusively white. Guess >>what? I can also tell which people are Jewish, Asian, Hispanic, Scandinavian, >>Irish, and most other ethnicities. That’s not nearly as easy but it’s not as >>difficult as you’d think. I’d bet Oujeski isn’t a black guy. My Father in >>Law’s name was Majewski. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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False. Read up dimwit. https://www.jewfaq.org/what_is_judaism Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 4:58 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: Johnson doesn't understand the difference between ethnicity and religion. How surprising. On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 4:44 AM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Ok, you’re right, as your fragile ego needs. > > As I stated, and proved, I can tell most people’s color and ethnicity just > using their names. It’s not hard. Most people can do it. I’m neither > Buddhist or Christian. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 1:22 PM, Seymour J Metz > wrote: > > I know what you told me. As usual, you're dodging the question and lying > about those who disagree with you. Saying that I'm Jewish Isn't any closer > to identifying my ethnicity than saying that You're Buddhist or Christian. > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> > Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 12:55 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! > > I already told you, you’re Jewish. Just like most people can tell I’m > Swedish. But, you can’t tell where in Sweden my ancestors came. Just as I > can’t tell (without more research) where your ancestors are from. > > As usual, you like to try to prove me wrong. And can’t. > > African Americans are more difficult. Because most have names derived from > or taken from their slave owners. And tracing their roots is almost > impossible since there is little paper trail. Most traces end in their > arrival on the east coast. That’s not much of a problem here. There’s not > many African American systems programmers. > > You should watch “Finding Your Roots”. Excellent series. I love > educational programming. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 12:45 PM, Seymour J Metz > wrote: > > The question is whether you can, as you claimed, determine my origins from > my name. You can probably determine whether I am Ashkenazi, Mizrachi or > Sephardi, but beyond that it is not as easy as you believe. > > For that matter, can you tell from his name whether an American-born > citizen has ancestry from Benin versus Gambia versus Ghana vversus Guinea? > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> > Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 12:32 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! > > You should read some history of the Jewish ghettos of Europe. Also read up > on the pope declaring “Cum nimis absurdum”. You got to love the Christians > right? An excerpt. > > In 1555, Pope Paul IV issued the “Cum nimis absurdum” proclamation, which > required the Jews of Rome to live in separate quarters and also severely > restricted their rights, including what businesses they could engage in. > The purpose of this edict was to encourage conversion to Catholicism, an > act that would serve as a ticket out of the ghetto. The ghetto made a clear > distinction to the wider society between those who were accepted” and those > who were not. Though anti-Semitism was alive and well in the centuries that > preceded this papal order, until 1555 the Jews of Rome had enjoyed freedom > of movement. Under the papal order, they were relocated to a crowded and > unsanitary area that regularly was flooded by the Tiber River. While the > ghetto was a place of squalor, the rest of the city was being built up with > magnificent churches. This contrast allowed the authorities to highlight > the differences between Jews and Christians, making it seem as though the > destitute living conditions of the ghetto were the natural consequences of > denying the divinity of Christ. Though the ghetto was designed to segregate > Jews, who were seen as a threat to Catholicism, it did not stop Jews and > Christians from maintaining social and economic interactions; indeed > Christians were allowed to enter the Roman ghetto during the day. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 11:50 AM, Bill Johnson < > 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > I’ll guarantee you’re Jewish. There aren’t many Irish kids with the first > name Shmuel. Are you really equating the degree comments as something
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Johnson doesn't understand the difference between ethnicity and religion. How surprising. On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 4:44 AM Bill Johnson < 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > Ok, you’re right, as your fragile ego needs. > > As I stated, and proved, I can tell most people’s color and ethnicity just > using their names. It’s not hard. Most people can do it. I’m neither > Buddhist or Christian. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 1:22 PM, Seymour J Metz > wrote: > > I know what you told me. As usual, you're dodging the question and lying > about those who disagree with you. Saying that I'm Jewish Isn't any closer > to identifying my ethnicity than saying that You're Buddhist or Christian. > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> > Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 12:55 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! > > I already told you, you’re Jewish. Just like most people can tell I’m > Swedish. But, you can’t tell where in Sweden my ancestors came. Just as I > can’t tell (without more research) where your ancestors are from. > > As usual, you like to try to prove me wrong. And can’t. > > African Americans are more difficult. Because most have names derived from > or taken from their slave owners. And tracing their roots is almost > impossible since there is little paper trail. Most traces end in their > arrival on the east coast. That’s not much of a problem here. There’s not > many African American systems programmers. > > You should watch “Finding Your Roots”. Excellent series. I love > educational programming. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 12:45 PM, Seymour J Metz > wrote: > > The question is whether you can, as you claimed, determine my origins from > my name. You can probably determine whether I am Ashkenazi, Mizrachi or > Sephardi, but beyond that it is not as easy as you believe. > > For that matter, can you tell from his name whether an American-born > citizen has ancestry from Benin versus Gambia versus Ghana vversus Guinea? > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> > Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 12:32 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! > > You should read some history of the Jewish ghettos of Europe. Also read up > on the pope declaring “Cum nimis absurdum”. You got to love the Christians > right? An excerpt. > > In 1555, Pope Paul IV issued the “Cum nimis absurdum” proclamation, which > required the Jews of Rome to live in separate quarters and also severely > restricted their rights, including what businesses they could engage in. > The purpose of this edict was to encourage conversion to Catholicism, an > act that would serve as a ticket out of the ghetto. The ghetto made a clear > distinction to the wider society between those who were accepted” and those > who were not. Though anti-Semitism was alive and well in the centuries that > preceded this papal order, until 1555 the Jews of Rome had enjoyed freedom > of movement. Under the papal order, they were relocated to a crowded and > unsanitary area that regularly was flooded by the Tiber River. While the > ghetto was a place of squalor, the rest of the city was being built up with > magnificent churches. This contrast allowed the authorities to highlight > the differences between Jews and Christians, making it seem as though the > destitute living conditions of the ghetto were the natural consequences of > denying the divinity of Christ. Though the ghetto was designed to segregate > Jews, who were seen as a threat to Catholicism, it did not stop Jews and > Christians from maintaining social and economic interactions; indeed > Christians were allowed to enter the Roman ghetto during the day. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 11:50 AM, Bill Johnson < > 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > I’ll guarantee you’re Jewish. There aren’t many Irish kids with the first > name Shmuel. Are you really equating the degree comments as something I can > determine in actuality? Really? Snowdon is from the old English meaning > snow hill. (Snow dun) Williams is from old German. (Wilhelm) It’s easy to > tell most people’s ethnicity from their names. > > Here’s some help for you. > > > https://sec
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Ok, you’re right, as your fragile ego needs. As I stated, and proved, I can tell most people’s color and ethnicity just using their names. It’s not hard. Most people can do it. I’m neither Buddhist or Christian. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 1:22 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: I know what you told me. As usual, you're dodging the question and lying about those who disagree with you. Saying that I'm Jewish Isn't any closer to identifying my ethnicity than saying that You're Buddhist or Christian. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 12:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! I already told you, you’re Jewish. Just like most people can tell I’m Swedish. But, you can’t tell where in Sweden my ancestors came. Just as I can’t tell (without more research) where your ancestors are from. As usual, you like to try to prove me wrong. And can’t. African Americans are more difficult. Because most have names derived from or taken from their slave owners. And tracing their roots is almost impossible since there is little paper trail. Most traces end in their arrival on the east coast. That’s not much of a problem here. There’s not many African American systems programmers. You should watch “Finding Your Roots”. Excellent series. I love educational programming. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 12:45 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: The question is whether you can, as you claimed, determine my origins from my name. You can probably determine whether I am Ashkenazi, Mizrachi or Sephardi, but beyond that it is not as easy as you believe. For that matter, can you tell from his name whether an American-born citizen has ancestry from Benin versus Gambia versus Ghana vversus Guinea? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 12:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! You should read some history of the Jewish ghettos of Europe. Also read up on the pope declaring “Cum nimis absurdum”. You got to love the Christians right? An excerpt. In 1555, Pope Paul IV issued the “Cum nimis absurdum” proclamation, which required the Jews of Rome to live in separate quarters and also severely restricted their rights, including what businesses they could engage in. The purpose of this edict was to encourage conversion to Catholicism, an act that would serve as a ticket out of the ghetto. The ghetto made a clear distinction to the wider society between those who were accepted” and those who were not. Though anti-Semitism was alive and well in the centuries that preceded this papal order, until 1555 the Jews of Rome had enjoyed freedom of movement. Under the papal order, they were relocated to a crowded and unsanitary area that regularly was flooded by the Tiber River. While the ghetto was a place of squalor, the rest of the city was being built up with magnificent churches. This contrast allowed the authorities to highlight the differences between Jews and Christians, making it seem as though the destitute living conditions of the ghetto were the natural consequences of denying the divinity of Christ. Though the ghetto was designed to segregate Jews, who were seen as a threat to Catholicism, it did not stop Jews and Christians from maintaining social and economic interactions; indeed Christians were allowed to enter the Roman ghetto during the day. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 11:50 AM, Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: I’ll guarantee you’re Jewish. There aren’t many Irish kids with the first name Shmuel. Are you really equating the degree comments as something I can determine in actuality? Really? Snowdon is from the old English meaning snow hill. (Snow dun) Williams is from old German. (Wilhelm) It’s easy to tell most people’s ethnicity from their names. Here’s some help for you. https://secure-web.cisco.com/1UYI-6B0pT8CfY2vwZ5Cak5kS32Ue-VZ0Y0U22Q5CiZ2CJZ9rvI89gSWf_dA9KtORFKLx14XsQ8JYWVmAlTg5kt_EAIz4sjSFHgaXxZLdeb9z3TN1Lp___CdnPd4he268_eyYVOLkNTMcRD8O5QmDjFtKnx0c0wEqZRpnoIUtrmWSWGBzcXStK6RVqXgZFSfWZXH073HeTxE8wXQtEx4eDVMrHMbQJF31Uqi0fX_h8VAWw8dtRm5XS2DTV9lT46D-ZbmMBcxARaUHlWMDd7Zp2ot0YUMB6X5d-hBpEL0xpiIRvT9y_-rZ2U81JZ9CuCBkbAxETWX866XSMD9fd07RDmgpCH_zITdsVICzNR9_N9KWNU_dAxpTjshSu79SH2pcF3uxV04w-RYzMSk2ApJiSoMJNw30oC9JKzu7O0XeM1Y/https%3A%2F%2Fnamsor.app%2F Many blacks have acquired their last names from their slave owners. A good source of information is via the PBS show “Finding Your Roots” with Henry Louis Gates Jr. It’s one of my favorite shows. Se
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I know what you told me. As usual, you're dodging the question and lying about those who disagree with you. Saying that I'm Jewish Isn't any closer to identifying my ethnicity than saying that You're Buddhist or Christian. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 12:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! I already told you, you’re Jewish. Just like most people can tell I’m Swedish. But, you can’t tell where in Sweden my ancestors came. Just as I can’t tell (without more research) where your ancestors are from. As usual, you like to try to prove me wrong. And can’t. African Americans are more difficult. Because most have names derived from or taken from their slave owners. And tracing their roots is almost impossible since there is little paper trail. Most traces end in their arrival on the east coast. That’s not much of a problem here. There’s not many African American systems programmers. You should watch “Finding Your Roots”. Excellent series. I love educational programming. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 12:45 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: The question is whether you can, as you claimed, determine my origins from my name. You can probably determine whether I am Ashkenazi, Mizrachi or Sephardi, but beyond that it is not as easy as you believe. For that matter, can you tell from his name whether an American-born citizen has ancestry from Benin versus Gambia versus Ghana vversus Guinea? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 12:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! You should read some history of the Jewish ghettos of Europe. Also read up on the pope declaring “Cum nimis absurdum”. You got to love the Christians right? An excerpt. In 1555, Pope Paul IV issued the “Cum nimis absurdum” proclamation, which required the Jews of Rome to live in separate quarters and also severely restricted their rights, including what businesses they could engage in. The purpose of this edict was to encourage conversion to Catholicism, an act that would serve as a ticket out of the ghetto. The ghetto made a clear distinction to the wider society between those who were accepted” and those who were not. Though anti-Semitism was alive and well in the centuries that preceded this papal order, until 1555 the Jews of Rome had enjoyed freedom of movement. Under the papal order, they were relocated to a crowded and unsanitary area that regularly was flooded by the Tiber River. While the ghetto was a place of squalor, the rest of the city was being built up with magnificent churches. This contrast allowed the authorities to highlight the differences between Jews and Christians, making it seem as though the destitute living conditions of the ghetto were the natural consequences of denying the divinity of Christ. Though the ghetto was designed to segregate Jews, who were seen as a threat to Catholicism, it did not stop Jews and Christians from maintaining social and economic interactions; indeed Christians were allowed to enter the Roman ghetto during the day. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 11:50 AM, Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: I’ll guarantee you’re Jewish. There aren’t many Irish kids with the first name Shmuel. Are you really equating the degree comments as something I can determine in actuality? Really? Snowdon is from the old English meaning snow hill. (Snow dun) Williams is from old German. (Wilhelm) It’s easy to tell most people’s ethnicity from their names. Here’s some help for you. https://secure-web.cisco.com/1UYI-6B0pT8CfY2vwZ5Cak5kS32Ue-VZ0Y0U22Q5CiZ2CJZ9rvI89gSWf_dA9KtORFKLx14XsQ8JYWVmAlTg5kt_EAIz4sjSFHgaXxZLdeb9z3TN1Lp___CdnPd4he268_eyYVOLkNTMcRD8O5QmDjFtKnx0c0wEqZRpnoIUtrmWSWGBzcXStK6RVqXgZFSfWZXH073HeTxE8wXQtEx4eDVMrHMbQJF31Uqi0fX_h8VAWw8dtRm5XS2DTV9lT46D-ZbmMBcxARaUHlWMDd7Zp2ot0YUMB6X5d-hBpEL0xpiIRvT9y_-rZ2U81JZ9CuCBkbAxETWX866XSMD9fd07RDmgpCH_zITdsVICzNR9_N9KWNU_dAxpTjshSu79SH2pcF3uxV04w-RYzMSk2ApJiSoMJNw30oC9JKzu7O0XeM1Y/https%3A%2F%2Fnamsor.app%2F Many blacks have acquired their last names from their slave owners. A good source of information is via the PBS show “Finding Your Roots” with Henry Louis Gates Jr. It’s one of my favorite shows. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 11:32 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > Essentially every belief you attributed to me. Who attended SHARE. Who had a > degree. Knowing the ethnicity of posters. Pop quiz. What is the Ethnicity of Snowden Williams? Where did my ancestors live in the
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I already told you, you’re Jewish. Just like most people can tell I’m Swedish. But, you can’t tell where in Sweden my ancestors came. Just as I can’t tell (without more research) where your ancestors are from. As usual, you like to try to prove me wrong. And can’t. African Americans are more difficult. Because most have names derived from or taken from their slave owners. And tracing their roots is almost impossible since there is little paper trail. Most traces end in their arrival on the east coast. That’s not much of a problem here. There’s not many African American systems programmers. You should watch “Finding Your Roots”. Excellent series. I love educational programming. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 12:45 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: The question is whether you can, as you claimed, determine my origins from my name. You can probably determine whether I am Ashkenazi, Mizrachi or Sephardi, but beyond that it is not as easy as you believe. For that matter, can you tell from his name whether an American-born citizen has ancestry from Benin versus Gambia versus Ghana vversus Guinea? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 12:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! You should read some history of the Jewish ghettos of Europe. Also read up on the pope declaring “Cum nimis absurdum”. You got to love the Christians right? An excerpt. In 1555, Pope Paul IV issued the “Cum nimis absurdum” proclamation, which required the Jews of Rome to live in separate quarters and also severely restricted their rights, including what businesses they could engage in. The purpose of this edict was to encourage conversion to Catholicism, an act that would serve as a ticket out of the ghetto. The ghetto made a clear distinction to the wider society between those who were accepted” and those who were not. Though anti-Semitism was alive and well in the centuries that preceded this papal order, until 1555 the Jews of Rome had enjoyed freedom of movement. Under the papal order, they were relocated to a crowded and unsanitary area that regularly was flooded by the Tiber River. While the ghetto was a place of squalor, the rest of the city was being built up with magnificent churches. This contrast allowed the authorities to highlight the differences between Jews and Christians, making it seem as though the destitute living conditions of the ghetto were the natural consequences of denying the divinity of Christ. Though the ghetto was designed to segregate Jews, who were seen as a threat to Catholicism, it did not stop Jews and Christians from maintaining social and economic interactions; indeed Christians were allowed to enter the Roman ghetto during the day. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 11:50 AM, Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: I’ll guarantee you’re Jewish. There aren’t many Irish kids with the first name Shmuel. Are you really equating the degree comments as something I can determine in actuality? Really? Snowdon is from the old English meaning snow hill. (Snow dun) Williams is from old German. (Wilhelm) It’s easy to tell most people’s ethnicity from their names. Here’s some help for you. https://namsor.app/ Many blacks have acquired their last names from their slave owners. A good source of information is via the PBS show “Finding Your Roots” with Henry Louis Gates Jr. It’s one of my favorite shows. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 11:32 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > Essentially every belief you attributed to me. Who attended SHARE. Who had a > degree. Knowing the ethnicity of posters. Pop quiz. What is the Ethnicity of Snowden Williams? Where did my ancestors live in the 19th and 20th centuries? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 10:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! Which of my facts aren’t true? Assembler is dying. Confirmed by one of Assembler’s experts, Ray Mullins. With a name like Bill Johnson, I would either be Scandinavian or black most likely. I’m the former. Swedish mostly. Are you aware of how Swedes are named? Here’s some context easily found on the web on highly credible sites. First names often provide information such as gender and historical trends, cultural backgrounds, and nationality. Last names provide information on the roots of the family system and the origin of ethnicity. Using both can increase the chances of being able to predict someone's ethnicity with greater confidence. Sent fr
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The question is whether you can, as you claimed, determine my origins from my name. You can probably determine whether I am Ashkenazi, Mizrachi or Sephardi, but beyond that it is not as easy as you believe. For that matter, can you tell from his name whether an American-born citizen has ancestry from Benin versus Gambia versus Ghana vversus Guinea? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 12:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! You should read some history of the Jewish ghettos of Europe. Also read up on the pope declaring “Cum nimis absurdum”. You got to love the Christians right? An excerpt. In 1555, Pope Paul IV issued the “Cum nimis absurdum” proclamation, which required the Jews of Rome to live in separate quarters and also severely restricted their rights, including what businesses they could engage in. The purpose of this edict was to encourage conversion to Catholicism, an act that would serve as a ticket out of the ghetto. The ghetto made a clear distinction to the wider society between those who were accepted” and those who were not. Though anti-Semitism was alive and well in the centuries that preceded this papal order, until 1555 the Jews of Rome had enjoyed freedom of movement. Under the papal order, they were relocated to a crowded and unsanitary area that regularly was flooded by the Tiber River. While the ghetto was a place of squalor, the rest of the city was being built up with magnificent churches. This contrast allowed the authorities to highlight the differences between Jews and Christians, making it seem as though the destitute living conditions of the ghetto were the natural consequences of denying the divinity of Christ. Though the ghetto was designed to segregate Jews, who were seen as a threat to Catholicism, it did not stop Jews and Christians from maintaining social and economic interactions; indeed Christians were allowed to enter the Roman ghetto during the day. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 11:50 AM, Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: I’ll guarantee you’re Jewish. There aren’t many Irish kids with the first name Shmuel. Are you really equating the degree comments as something I can determine in actuality? Really? Snowdon is from the old English meaning snow hill. (Snow dun) Williams is from old German. (Wilhelm) It’s easy to tell most people’s ethnicity from their names. Here’s some help for you. https://namsor.app/ Many blacks have acquired their last names from their slave owners. A good source of information is via the PBS show “Finding Your Roots” with Henry Louis Gates Jr. It’s one of my favorite shows. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 11:32 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > Essentially every belief you attributed to me. Who attended SHARE. Who had a > degree. Knowing the ethnicity of posters. Pop quiz. What is the Ethnicity of Snowden Williams? Where did my ancestors live in the 19th and 20th centuries? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 10:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! Which of my facts aren’t true? Assembler is dying. Confirmed by one of Assembler’s experts, Ray Mullins. With a name like Bill Johnson, I would either be Scandinavian or black most likely. I’m the former. Swedish mostly. Are you aware of how Swedes are named? Here’s some context easily found on the web on highly credible sites. First names often provide information such as gender and historical trends, cultural backgrounds, and nationality. Last names provide information on the roots of the family system and the origin of ethnicity. Using both can increase the chances of being able to predict someone's ethnicity with greater confidence. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 10:30 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > I have a talent for facts. ObSeanSpicer Alternative facts. > anyone can tell with near certainty the color and ethnicity of > most posters here simply based on their names. It's unfortunate that being certain and being correct are two very different things. FWIW, I would have guessed from your name that you were of Anglo-Saxon ancestry, but you claim otherwise. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2023 10:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! I have a talent for facts. Which I’ve posted through
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You should read some history of the Jewish ghettos of Europe. Also read up on the pope declaring “Cum nimis absurdum”. You got to love the Christians right? An excerpt. In 1555, Pope Paul IV issued the “Cum nimis absurdum” proclamation, which required the Jews of Rome to live in separate quarters and also severely restricted their rights, including what businesses they could engage in. The purpose of this edict was to encourage conversion to Catholicism, an act that would serve as a ticket out of the ghetto. The ghetto made a clear distinction to the wider society between those who were accepted” and those who were not. Though anti-Semitism was alive and well in the centuries that preceded this papal order, until 1555 the Jews of Rome had enjoyed freedom of movement. Under the papal order, they were relocated to a crowded and unsanitary area that regularly was flooded by the Tiber River. While the ghetto was a place of squalor, the rest of the city was being built up with magnificent churches. This contrast allowed the authorities to highlight the differences between Jews and Christians, making it seem as though the destitute living conditions of the ghetto were the natural consequences of denying the divinity of Christ. Though the ghetto was designed to segregate Jews, who were seen as a threat to Catholicism, it did not stop Jews and Christians from maintaining social and economic interactions; indeed Christians were allowed to enter the Roman ghetto during the day. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 11:50 AM, Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: I’ll guarantee you’re Jewish. There aren’t many Irish kids with the first name Shmuel. Are you really equating the degree comments as something I can determine in actuality? Really? Snowdon is from the old English meaning snow hill. (Snow dun) Williams is from old German. (Wilhelm) It’s easy to tell most people’s ethnicity from their names. Here’s some help for you. https://namsor.app/ Many blacks have acquired their last names from their slave owners. A good source of information is via the PBS show “Finding Your Roots” with Henry Louis Gates Jr. It’s one of my favorite shows. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 11:32 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > Essentially every belief you attributed to me. Who attended SHARE. Who had a > degree. Knowing the ethnicity of posters. Pop quiz. What is the Ethnicity of Snowden Williams? Where did my ancestors live in the 19th and 20th centuries? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 10:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! Which of my facts aren’t true? Assembler is dying. Confirmed by one of Assembler’s experts, Ray Mullins. With a name like Bill Johnson, I would either be Scandinavian or black most likely. I’m the former. Swedish mostly. Are you aware of how Swedes are named? Here’s some context easily found on the web on highly credible sites. First names often provide information such as gender and historical trends, cultural backgrounds, and nationality. Last names provide information on the roots of the family system and the origin of ethnicity. Using both can increase the chances of being able to predict someone's ethnicity with greater confidence. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 10:30 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > I have a talent for facts. ObSeanSpicer Alternative facts. > anyone can tell with near certainty the color and ethnicity of > most posters here simply based on their names. It's unfortunate that being certain and being correct are two very different things. FWIW, I would have guessed from your name that you were of Anglo-Saxon ancestry, but you claim otherwise. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2023 10:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! I have a talent for facts. Which I’ve posted throughout this diatribe. The problem is many of you don’t like someone outside the cult showing you up so you attack and make ridiculous accusations and idiotic comparisons like the college one. Fact - assembler is dying a slow tortuous death. Fact - anyone can tell with near certainty the color and ethnicity of most posters here simply based on their names. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, September 16, 2023, 1:09 AM, g...@gabegold.com wrote: You could also incorrectly "tell" that I didn't have a college degree. You have a talent for gratuitous insults and an obsession with starting and then a
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ting better code in a higher level language. My final suggestion to people is: If you don't like (consistently) what someone writes, don't reply. If you can't resist, put them on ignore. Once upon a time I felt it necessary to respond to every single reply and retort, then I matured. I now return you to your regular programming... On 9/17/2023 7:53 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: > Which of my facts aren’t true? Assembler is dying. Confirmed by one of > Assembler’s experts, Ray Mullins. > > With a name like Bill Johnson, I would either be Scandinavian or black most > likely. I’m the former. Swedish mostly. Are you aware of how Swedes are named? > > Here’s some context easily found on the web on highly credible sites. > > First names often provide information such as gender and historical trends, > cultural backgrounds, and nationality. Last names provide information on the > roots of the family system and the origin of ethnicity. Using both can > increase the chances of being able to predict someone's ethnicity with > greater confidence. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 10:30 AM, Seymour J Metz > wrote: > >> I have a talent for facts. > ObSeanSpicer Alternative facts. > >> anyone can tell with near certainty the color and ethnicity of >> most posters here simply based on their names. > It's unfortunate that being certain and being correct are two very different >things. FWIW, I would have guessed from your name that you were of Anglo-Saxon >ancestry, but you claim otherwise. > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of > Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2023 10:38 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! > > I have a talent for facts. Which I’ve posted throughout this diatribe. The > problem is many of you don’t like someone outside the cult showing you up so > you attack and make ridiculous accusations and idiotic comparisons like the > college one. > > Fact - assembler is dying a slow tortuous death. > > Fact - anyone can tell with near certainty the color and ethnicity of most > posters here simply based on their names. > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Saturday, September 16, 2023, 1:09 AM, g...@gabegold.com > wrote: > > You could also incorrectly "tell" that I didn't have a college degree. > > You have a talent for gratuitous insults and an obsession with starting and > then arguing about wild digressions from whatever was the topic at hand. > > AI to assembler language to system programming demographics is quite the > meander; each of those would have been worth separate discussions, but not in > the unpleasant way you bring them up and then harangue anyone who disagrees > with you. > > A basic question is why, since you disdain everyone here and disagree with > most of what people say, you're still here. You're not changing minds, not > making friends, not providing useful information, and not contributing > anything. You're excellent at trolling though, which seems to be your sad > reason for being. So you're entertaining, in a ghastly sort of way. > > On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 18:33:25 +, Bill Johnson wrote: > >> Are you that naive? Ever been to Share? The current makeup of mainframe >> systems programmers is 65% white, 15% Asian, 9% Hispanic & 5% African >> American. Factoring in most of the heavy posters are over 50, the >> demographics are even more white since almost all systems programmers who >> got into IT in the 50’s through the 70’s were almost exclusively white. >> Guess what? I can also tell which people are Jewish, Asian, Hispanic, >> Scandinavian, Irish, and most other ethnicities. That’s not nearly as easy >> but it’s not as difficult as you’d think. I’d bet Oujeski isn’t a black guy. >> My Father in Law’s name was Majewski. > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -
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necessary to respond to every single reply and retort, then I matured. I now return you to your regular programming... On 9/17/2023 7:53 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: > Which of my facts aren’t true? Assembler is dying. Confirmed by one of > Assembler’s experts, Ray Mullins. > > With a name like Bill Johnson, I would either be Scandinavian or black most > likely. I’m the former. Swedish mostly. Are you aware of how Swedes are named? > > Here’s some context easily found on the web on highly credible sites. > > First names often provide information such as gender and historical trends, > cultural backgrounds, and nationality. Last names provide information on the > roots of the family system and the origin of ethnicity. Using both can > increase the chances of being able to predict someone's ethnicity with > greater confidence. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 10:30 AM, Seymour J Metz > wrote: > >> I have a talent for facts. > ObSeanSpicer Alternative facts. > >> anyone can tell with near certainty the color and ethnicity of >> most posters here simply based on their names. > It's unfortunate that being certain and being correct are two very different >things. FWIW, I would have guessed from your name that you were of Anglo-Saxon >ancestry, but you claim otherwise. > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of > Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2023 10:38 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! > > I have a talent for facts. Which I’ve posted throughout this diatribe. The > problem is many of you don’t like someone outside the cult showing you up so > you attack and make ridiculous accusations and idiotic comparisons like the > college one. > > Fact - assembler is dying a slow tortuous death. > > Fact - anyone can tell with near certainty the color and ethnicity of most > posters here simply based on their names. > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Saturday, September 16, 2023, 1:09 AM, g...@gabegold.com > wrote: > > You could also incorrectly "tell" that I didn't have a college degree. > > You have a talent for gratuitous insults and an obsession with starting and > then arguing about wild digressions from whatever was the topic at hand. > > AI to assembler language to system programming demographics is quite the > meander; each of those would have been worth separate discussions, but not in > the unpleasant way you bring them up and then harangue anyone who disagrees > with you. > > A basic question is why, since you disdain everyone here and disagree with > most of what people say, you're still here. You're not changing minds, not > making friends, not providing useful information, and not contributing > anything. You're excellent at trolling though, which seems to be your sad > reason for being. So you're entertaining, in a ghastly sort of way. > > On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 18:33:25 +, Bill Johnson wrote: > >> Are you that naive? Ever been to Share? The current makeup of mainframe >> systems programmers is 65% white, 15% Asian, 9% Hispanic & 5% African >> American. Factoring in most of the heavy posters are over 50, the >> demographics are even more white since almost all systems programmers who >> got into IT in the 50’s through the 70’s were almost exclusively white. >> Guess what? I can also tell which people are Jewish, Asian, Hispanic, >> Scandinavian, Irish, and most other ethnicities. That’s not nearly as easy >> but it’s not as difficult as you’d think. I’d bet Oujeski isn’t a black guy. >> My Father in Law’s name was Majewski. > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN --
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I’ll guarantee you’re Jewish. There aren’t many Irish kids with the first name Shmuel. Are you really equating the degree comments as something I can determine in actuality? Really? Snowdon is from the old English meaning snow hill. (Snow dun) Williams is from old German. (Wilhelm) It’s easy to tell most people’s ethnicity from their names. Here’s some help for you. https://namsor.app/ Many blacks have acquired their last names from their slave owners. A good source of information is via the PBS show “Finding Your Roots” with Henry Louis Gates Jr. It’s one of my favorite shows. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 11:32 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > Essentially every belief you attributed to me. Who attended SHARE. Who had a > degree. Knowing the ethnicity of posters. Pop quiz. What is the Ethnicity of Snowden Williams? Where did my ancestors live in the 19th and 20th centuries? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 10:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! Which of my facts aren’t true? Assembler is dying. Confirmed by one of Assembler’s experts, Ray Mullins. With a name like Bill Johnson, I would either be Scandinavian or black most likely. I’m the former. Swedish mostly. Are you aware of how Swedes are named? Here’s some context easily found on the web on highly credible sites. First names often provide information such as gender and historical trends, cultural backgrounds, and nationality. Last names provide information on the roots of the family system and the origin of ethnicity. Using both can increase the chances of being able to predict someone's ethnicity with greater confidence. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 10:30 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > I have a talent for facts. ObSeanSpicer Alternative facts. > anyone can tell with near certainty the color and ethnicity of > most posters here simply based on their names. It's unfortunate that being certain and being correct are two very different things. FWIW, I would have guessed from your name that you were of Anglo-Saxon ancestry, but you claim otherwise. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2023 10:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! I have a talent for facts. Which I’ve posted throughout this diatribe. The problem is many of you don’t like someone outside the cult showing you up so you attack and make ridiculous accusations and idiotic comparisons like the college one. Fact - assembler is dying a slow tortuous death. Fact - anyone can tell with near certainty the color and ethnicity of most posters here simply based on their names. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, September 16, 2023, 1:09 AM, g...@gabegold.com wrote: You could also incorrectly "tell" that I didn't have a college degree. You have a talent for gratuitous insults and an obsession with starting and then arguing about wild digressions from whatever was the topic at hand. AI to assembler language to system programming demographics is quite the meander; each of those would have been worth separate discussions, but not in the unpleasant way you bring them up and then harangue anyone who disagrees with you. A basic question is why, since you disdain everyone here and disagree with most of what people say, you're still here. You're not changing minds, not making friends, not providing useful information, and not contributing anything. You're excellent at trolling though, which seems to be your sad reason for being. So you're entertaining, in a ghastly sort of way. On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 18:33:25 +, Bill Johnson wrote: >Are you that naive? Ever been to Share? The current makeup of mainframe >systems programmers is 65% white, 15% Asian, 9% Hispanic & 5% African >American. Factoring in most of the heavy posters are over 50, the demographics >are even more white since almost all systems programmers who got into IT in >the 50’s through the 70’s were almost exclusively white. Guess what? I can >also tell which people are Jewish, Asian, Hispanic, Scandinavian, Irish, and >most other ethnicities. That’s not nearly as easy but it’s not as difficult as >you’d think. I’d bet Oujeski isn’t a black guy. My Father in Law’s name was >Majewski. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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nformation such as gender and historical trends, cultural backgrounds, and nationality. Last names provide information on the roots of the family system and the origin of ethnicity. Using both can increase the chances of being able to predict someone's ethnicity with greater confidence. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 10:30 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: I have a talent for facts. ObSeanSpicer Alternative facts. anyone can tell with near certainty the color and ethnicity of most posters here simply based on their names. It's unfortunate that being certain and being correct are two very different things. FWIW, I would have guessed from your name that you were of Anglo-Saxon ancestry, but you claim otherwise. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2023 10:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! I have a talent for facts. Which I’ve posted throughout this diatribe. The problem is many of you don’t like someone outside the cult showing you up so you attack and make ridiculous accusations and idiotic comparisons like the college one. Fact - assembler is dying a slow tortuous death. Fact - anyone can tell with near certainty the color and ethnicity of most posters here simply based on their names. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, September 16, 2023, 1:09 AM, g...@gabegold.com wrote: You could also incorrectly "tell" that I didn't have a college degree. You have a talent for gratuitous insults and an obsession with starting and then arguing about wild digressions from whatever was the topic at hand. AI to assembler language to system programming demographics is quite the meander; each of those would have been worth separate discussions, but not in the unpleasant way you bring them up and then harangue anyone who disagrees with you. A basic question is why, since you disdain everyone here and disagree with most of what people say, you're still here. You're not changing minds, not making friends, not providing useful information, and not contributing anything. You're excellent at trolling though, which seems to be your sad reason for being. So you're entertaining, in a ghastly sort of way. On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 18:33:25 +, Bill Johnson wrote: Are you that naive? Ever been to Share? The current makeup of mainframe systems programmers is 65% white, 15% Asian, 9% Hispanic & 5% African American. Factoring in most of the heavy posters are over 50, the demographics are even more white since almost all systems programmers who got into IT in the 50’s through the 70’s were almost exclusively white. Guess what? I can also tell which people are Jewish, Asian, Hispanic, Scandinavian, Irish, and most other ethnicities. That’s not nearly as easy but it’s not as difficult as you’d think. I’d bet Oujeski isn’t a black guy. My Father in Law’s name was Majewski. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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> Essentially every belief you attributed to me. Who attended SHARE. Who had a > degree. Knowing the ethnicity of posters. Pop quiz. What is the Ethnicity of Snowden Williams? Where did my ancestors live in the 19th and 20th centuries? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 10:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! Which of my facts aren’t true? Assembler is dying. Confirmed by one of Assembler’s experts, Ray Mullins. With a name like Bill Johnson, I would either be Scandinavian or black most likely. I’m the former. Swedish mostly. Are you aware of how Swedes are named? Here’s some context easily found on the web on highly credible sites. First names often provide information such as gender and historical trends, cultural backgrounds, and nationality. Last names provide information on the roots of the family system and the origin of ethnicity. Using both can increase the chances of being able to predict someone's ethnicity with greater confidence. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 10:30 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > I have a talent for facts. ObSeanSpicer Alternative facts. > anyone can tell with near certainty the color and ethnicity of > most posters here simply based on their names. It's unfortunate that being certain and being correct are two very different things. FWIW, I would have guessed from your name that you were of Anglo-Saxon ancestry, but you claim otherwise. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2023 10:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! I have a talent for facts. Which I’ve posted throughout this diatribe. The problem is many of you don’t like someone outside the cult showing you up so you attack and make ridiculous accusations and idiotic comparisons like the college one. Fact - assembler is dying a slow tortuous death. Fact - anyone can tell with near certainty the color and ethnicity of most posters here simply based on their names. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, September 16, 2023, 1:09 AM, g...@gabegold.com wrote: You could also incorrectly "tell" that I didn't have a college degree. You have a talent for gratuitous insults and an obsession with starting and then arguing about wild digressions from whatever was the topic at hand. AI to assembler language to system programming demographics is quite the meander; each of those would have been worth separate discussions, but not in the unpleasant way you bring them up and then harangue anyone who disagrees with you. A basic question is why, since you disdain everyone here and disagree with most of what people say, you're still here. You're not changing minds, not making friends, not providing useful information, and not contributing anything. You're excellent at trolling though, which seems to be your sad reason for being. So you're entertaining, in a ghastly sort of way. On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 18:33:25 +, Bill Johnson wrote: >Are you that naive? Ever been to Share? The current makeup of mainframe >systems programmers is 65% white, 15% Asian, 9% Hispanic & 5% African >American. Factoring in most of the heavy posters are over 50, the demographics >are even more white since almost all systems programmers who got into IT in >the 50’s through the 70’s were almost exclusively white. Guess what? I can >also tell which people are Jewish, Asian, Hispanic, Scandinavian, Irish, and >most other ethnicities. That’s not nearly as easy but it’s not as difficult as >you’d think. I’d bet Oujeski isn’t a black guy. My Father in Law’s name was >Majewski. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instruction
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Which of my facts aren’t true? Assembler is dying. Confirmed by one of Assembler’s experts, Ray Mullins. With a name like Bill Johnson, I would either be Scandinavian or black most likely. I’m the former. Swedish mostly. Are you aware of how Swedes are named? Here’s some context easily found on the web on highly credible sites. First names often provide information such as gender and historical trends, cultural backgrounds, and nationality. Last names provide information on the roots of the family system and the origin of ethnicity. Using both can increase the chances of being able to predict someone's ethnicity with greater confidence. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 17, 2023, 10:30 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > I have a talent for facts. ObSeanSpicer Alternative facts. > anyone can tell with near certainty the color and ethnicity of > most posters here simply based on their names. It's unfortunate that being certain and being correct are two very different things. FWIW, I would have guessed from your name that you were of Anglo-Saxon ancestry, but you claim otherwise. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2023 10:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! I have a talent for facts. Which I’ve posted throughout this diatribe. The problem is many of you don’t like someone outside the cult showing you up so you attack and make ridiculous accusations and idiotic comparisons like the college one. Fact - assembler is dying a slow tortuous death. Fact - anyone can tell with near certainty the color and ethnicity of most posters here simply based on their names. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, September 16, 2023, 1:09 AM, g...@gabegold.com wrote: You could also incorrectly "tell" that I didn't have a college degree. You have a talent for gratuitous insults and an obsession with starting and then arguing about wild digressions from whatever was the topic at hand. AI to assembler language to system programming demographics is quite the meander; each of those would have been worth separate discussions, but not in the unpleasant way you bring them up and then harangue anyone who disagrees with you. A basic question is why, since you disdain everyone here and disagree with most of what people say, you're still here. You're not changing minds, not making friends, not providing useful information, and not contributing anything. You're excellent at trolling though, which seems to be your sad reason for being. So you're entertaining, in a ghastly sort of way. On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 18:33:25 +, Bill Johnson wrote: >Are you that naive? Ever been to Share? The current makeup of mainframe >systems programmers is 65% white, 15% Asian, 9% Hispanic & 5% African >American. Factoring in most of the heavy posters are over 50, the demographics >are even more white since almost all systems programmers who got into IT in >the 50’s through the 70’s were almost exclusively white. Guess what? I can >also tell which people are Jewish, Asian, Hispanic, Scandinavian, Irish, and >most other ethnicities. That’s not nearly as easy but it’s not as difficult as >you’d think. I’d bet Oujeski isn’t a black guy. My Father in Law’s name was >Majewski. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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> I have a talent for facts. ObSeanSpicer Alternative facts. > anyone can tell with near certainty the color and ethnicity of > most posters here simply based on their names. It's unfortunate that being certain and being correct are two very different things. FWIW, I would have guessed from your name that you were of Anglo-Saxon ancestry, but you claim otherwise. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2023 10:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! I have a talent for facts. Which I’ve posted throughout this diatribe. The problem is many of you don’t like someone outside the cult showing you up so you attack and make ridiculous accusations and idiotic comparisons like the college one. Fact - assembler is dying a slow tortuous death. Fact - anyone can tell with near certainty the color and ethnicity of most posters here simply based on their names. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, September 16, 2023, 1:09 AM, g...@gabegold.com wrote: You could also incorrectly "tell" that I didn't have a college degree. You have a talent for gratuitous insults and an obsession with starting and then arguing about wild digressions from whatever was the topic at hand. AI to assembler language to system programming demographics is quite the meander; each of those would have been worth separate discussions, but not in the unpleasant way you bring them up and then harangue anyone who disagrees with you. A basic question is why, since you disdain everyone here and disagree with most of what people say, you're still here. You're not changing minds, not making friends, not providing useful information, and not contributing anything. You're excellent at trolling though, which seems to be your sad reason for being. So you're entertaining, in a ghastly sort of way. On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 18:33:25 +, Bill Johnson wrote: >Are you that naive? Ever been to Share? The current makeup of mainframe >systems programmers is 65% white, 15% Asian, 9% Hispanic & 5% African >American. Factoring in most of the heavy posters are over 50, the demographics >are even more white since almost all systems programmers who got into IT in >the 50’s through the 70’s were almost exclusively white. Guess what? I can >also tell which people are Jewish, Asian, Hispanic, Scandinavian, Irish, and >most other ethnicities. That’s not nearly as easy but it’s not as difficult as >you’d think. I’d bet Oujeski isn’t a black guy. My Father in Law’s name was >Majewski. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I agree with much of what you stated with these comments. We currently have numerous “media” outlets who spew propaganda and lies. So I’m pretty certain AI will improve upon that. Misinformation is out there but I believe it will be overwhelmed by the truth. Certainly it will be regulated as various governments and the AI community is already working on them. Yes, the danger of misusing AI is there. Fox news comes to mind. They spew lies for profit every day. Until Dominion and Smartmatic sue for damages. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, September 15, 2023, 6:06 PM, Joel C. Ewing wrote: Getting back on-topic,... AI may easily surpass humans in the ability to analyze and deduce conclusions from a large amount of data and propose actions -- it already has in a number of areas. One problem that arises in that there is a considerable amount of data loose in the real world that is misinformation, and too much garbage-in still produces garbage-out. That many humans have problems telling the different between fact and fiction, have biases on choices of data, and humans will be choosing the sources of data to program the AI will inevitably cause some problems. The general public is already displaying an indifference to the limitations of AI and abusing AI: asking questions of AI apps in areas for which the AI is poorly trained and trusting fallible responses as being authoritative because they are produced by a machine. The real problems and dangers of unregulated AI become clear if and when AI is given the power to make and implement life and death decisions without adequate human oversight, or to propose actions that humans might blindly follow in a life or death situation. The science fiction genre is full of plots that suggest how badly this can go. When you grant AI the power to make decisions and take actions in the real world, most of us want not just intelligence involved, but also wisdom and morality. Most want decisions that can impact their lives to be constrained by a moral compass of what is right and fair. We have no idea how to build that awareness into AI; and since there may be no general agreement on whose standard of morality to use, that may be an impossible task. Even if there were agreement on the morality that should be designed into AI, and an understanding of how to do it, do we trust fallible humans to implement it without error? We need to be very cautious for the short and long term about what kinds of decisions and actions we entrust to AI. A legitimate concern is that if future AI regulation or its enforcement is inadequate, some individual or corporation with more power & money than wisdom may go rogue, ignore whatever AI restrictions are in place, and create a dangerous AI, just because they believe it will enhance their short-term profit. JC Ewing On 9/15/23 13:50, Ituriel do Neto wrote: > I don't believe we are having this kind of discussion here. > > > Best Regards > > Ituriel do Nascimento Neto > z/OS System Programmer > > > > > > > Em sexta-feira, 15 de setembro de 2023 às 15:34:14 BRT, Bill Johnson > <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> escreveu: > > > > > > Are you that naive? Ever been to Share? The current makeup of mainframe > systems programmers is 65% white, 15% Asian, 9% Hispanic & 5% African > American. Factoring in most of the heavy posters are over 50, the > demographics are even more white since almost all systems programmers who got > into IT in the 50’s through the 70’s were almost exclusively white. Guess > what? I can also tell which people are Jewish, Asian, Hispanic, Scandinavian, > Irish, and most other ethnicities. That’s not nearly as easy but it’s not as > difficult as you’d think. I’d bet Oujeski isn’t a black guy. My Father in > Law’s name was Majewski. > > Almost all IT workers back then were men too. Ever notice the absence of > female posters here? > > > A simple check from the bureau of labor statistics from the 50's, 60's, and > 70's is quite the fantasy buster I need. > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Friday, September 15, 2023, 12:55 PM, Seymour J Metz > wrote: > > Only in your fantasy world is it possible to tell the skin color of an e-mail > poster whom you have never met. I have you reason to believe that your > antagonists are mostly White, and no reason to believe your implicit claim > not to be. For all I know, you might be a klan member lying about his skin > color. > > Now, statistically, it's likely that most of the US posters calling you out > are White, but this is an international list. > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of > Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@l
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I have a talent for facts. Which I’ve posted throughout this diatribe. The problem is many of you don’t like someone outside the cult showing you up so you attack and make ridiculous accusations and idiotic comparisons like the college one. Fact - assembler is dying a slow tortuous death. Fact - anyone can tell with near certainty the color and ethnicity of most posters here simply based on their names. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, September 16, 2023, 1:09 AM, g...@gabegold.com wrote: You could also incorrectly "tell" that I didn't have a college degree. You have a talent for gratuitous insults and an obsession with starting and then arguing about wild digressions from whatever was the topic at hand. AI to assembler language to system programming demographics is quite the meander; each of those would have been worth separate discussions, but not in the unpleasant way you bring them up and then harangue anyone who disagrees with you. A basic question is why, since you disdain everyone here and disagree with most of what people say, you're still here. You're not changing minds, not making friends, not providing useful information, and not contributing anything. You're excellent at trolling though, which seems to be your sad reason for being. So you're entertaining, in a ghastly sort of way. On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 18:33:25 +, Bill Johnson wrote: >Are you that naive? Ever been to Share? The current makeup of mainframe >systems programmers is 65% white, 15% Asian, 9% Hispanic & 5% African >American. Factoring in most of the heavy posters are over 50, the demographics >are even more white since almost all systems programmers who got into IT in >the 50’s through the 70’s were almost exclusively white. Guess what? I can >also tell which people are Jewish, Asian, Hispanic, Scandinavian, Irish, and >most other ethnicities. That’s not nearly as easy but it’s not as difficult as >you’d think. I’d bet Oujeski isn’t a black guy. My Father in Law’s name was >Majewski. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Not on anyone's side. Just a reminder as to where it started - "Yours included?", and whether it was necessary. - KB --- Original Message --- On Friday, September 15th, 2023 at 21:29, Michael Oujesky wrote: > It appears it is well past time to remove Bill from IBM-MAIN. > > > > At 02:26 PM 9/14/2023, Bill Johnson wrote: > > > It's already passed yours. > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > On Thursday, September 14, 2023, 3:22 PM, David Spiegel > > 0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: > > > > Yours included? > > > > On 2023-09-14 13:29, Bill Johnson wrote: > > > > > AI will surpass human intelligence. > > > > https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/14/softbanks-masayoshi-son-says-tech-can-surpass-human-intelligence.html > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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You could also incorrectly "tell" that I didn't have a college degree. You have a talent for gratuitous insults and an obsession with starting and then arguing about wild digressions from whatever was the topic at hand. AI to assembler language to system programming demographics is quite the meander; each of those would have been worth separate discussions, but not in the unpleasant way you bring them up and then harangue anyone who disagrees with you. A basic question is why, since you disdain everyone here and disagree with most of what people say, you're still here. You're not changing minds, not making friends, not providing useful information, and not contributing anything. You're excellent at trolling though, which seems to be your sad reason for being. So you're entertaining, in a ghastly sort of way. On Fri, 15 Sep 2023 18:33:25 +, Bill Johnson wrote: >Are you that naive? Ever been to Share? The current makeup of mainframe >systems programmers is 65% white, 15% Asian, 9% Hispanic & 5% African >American. Factoring in most of the heavy posters are over 50, the demographics >are even more white since almost all systems programmers who got into IT in >the 50’s through the 70’s were almost exclusively white. Guess what? I can >also tell which people are Jewish, Asian, Hispanic, Scandinavian, Irish, and >most other ethnicities. That’s not nearly as easy but it’s not as difficult as >you’d think. I’d bet Oujeski isn’t a black guy. My Father in Law’s name was >Majewski. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Getting back on-topic,... AI may easily surpass humans in the ability to analyze and deduce conclusions from a large amount of data and propose actions -- it already has in a number of areas. One problem that arises in that there is a considerable amount of data loose in the real world that is misinformation, and too much garbage-in still produces garbage-out. That many humans have problems telling the different between fact and fiction, have biases on choices of data, and humans will be choosing the sources of data to program the AI will inevitably cause some problems. The general public is already displaying an indifference to the limitations of AI and abusing AI: asking questions of AI apps in areas for which the AI is poorly trained and trusting fallible responses as being authoritative because they are produced by a machine. The real problems and dangers of unregulated AI become clear if and when AI is given the power to make and implement life and death decisions without adequate human oversight, or to propose actions that humans might blindly follow in a life or death situation. The science fiction genre is full of plots that suggest how badly this can go. When you grant AI the power to make decisions and take actions in the real world, most of us want not just intelligence involved, but also wisdom and morality. Most want decisions that can impact their lives to be constrained by a moral compass of what is right and fair. We have no idea how to build that awareness into AI; and since there may be no general agreement on whose standard of morality to use, that may be an impossible task. Even if there were agreement on the morality that should be designed into AI, and an understanding of how to do it, do we trust fallible humans to implement it without error? We need to be very cautious for the short and long term about what kinds of decisions and actions we entrust to AI. A legitimate concern is that if future AI regulation or its enforcement is inadequate, some individual or corporation with more power & money than wisdom may go rogue, ignore whatever AI restrictions are in place, and create a dangerous AI, just because they believe it will enhance their short-term profit. JC Ewing On 9/15/23 13:50, Ituriel do Neto wrote: I don't believe we are having this kind of discussion here. Best Regards Ituriel do Nascimento Neto z/OS System Programmer Em sexta-feira, 15 de setembro de 2023 às 15:34:14 BRT, Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> escreveu: Are you that naive? Ever been to Share? The current makeup of mainframe systems programmers is 65% white, 15% Asian, 9% Hispanic & 5% African American. Factoring in most of the heavy posters are over 50, the demographics are even more white since almost all systems programmers who got into IT in the 50’s through the 70’s were almost exclusively white. Guess what? I can also tell which people are Jewish, Asian, Hispanic, Scandinavian, Irish, and most other ethnicities. That’s not nearly as easy but it’s not as difficult as you’d think. I’d bet Oujeski isn’t a black guy. My Father in Law’s name was Majewski. Almost all IT workers back then were men too. Ever notice the absence of female posters here? A simple check from the bureau of labor statistics from the 50's, 60's, and 70's is quite the fantasy buster I need. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, September 15, 2023, 12:55 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: Only in your fantasy world is it possible to tell the skin color of an e-mail poster whom you have never met. I have you reason to believe that your antagonists are mostly White, and no reason to believe your implicit claim not to be. For all I know, you might be a klan member lying about his skin color. Now, statistically, it's likely that most of the US posters calling you out are White, but this is an international list. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2023 12:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! So no problem with his attack on me, but I retaliate and it’s banning time. This is a white frat boy cult site. Nobody dares challenge the hierarchy. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, September 15, 2023, 12:00 PM, Michael Oujesky wrote: It appears it is well past time to remove Bill from IBM-MAIN. At 02:26 PM 9/14/2023, Bill Johnson wrote: It's already passed yours. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, September 14, 2023, 3:22 PM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Yours included? On 2023-09-14 13:29, Bill Johnson wrote: AI will surpass human intelligence. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/14/softbanks-masayoshi-son-says-tech-can-surpass-human-intellige
Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!
I don't believe we are having this kind of discussion here. Best Regards Ituriel do Nascimento Neto z/OS System Programmer Em sexta-feira, 15 de setembro de 2023 às 15:34:14 BRT, Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> escreveu: Are you that naive? Ever been to Share? The current makeup of mainframe systems programmers is 65% white, 15% Asian, 9% Hispanic & 5% African American. Factoring in most of the heavy posters are over 50, the demographics are even more white since almost all systems programmers who got into IT in the 50’s through the 70’s were almost exclusively white. Guess what? I can also tell which people are Jewish, Asian, Hispanic, Scandinavian, Irish, and most other ethnicities. That’s not nearly as easy but it’s not as difficult as you’d think. I’d bet Oujeski isn’t a black guy. My Father in Law’s name was Majewski. Almost all IT workers back then were men too. Ever notice the absence of female posters here? A simple check from the bureau of labor statistics from the 50's, 60's, and 70's is quite the fantasy buster I need. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, September 15, 2023, 12:55 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: Only in your fantasy world is it possible to tell the skin color of an e-mail poster whom you have never met. I have you reason to believe that your antagonists are mostly White, and no reason to believe your implicit claim not to be. For all I know, you might be a klan member lying about his skin color. Now, statistically, it's likely that most of the US posters calling you out are White, but this is an international list. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2023 12:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! So no problem with his attack on me, but I retaliate and it’s banning time. This is a white frat boy cult site. Nobody dares challenge the hierarchy. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, September 15, 2023, 12:00 PM, Michael Oujesky wrote: It appears it is well past time to remove Bill from IBM-MAIN. At 02:26 PM 9/14/2023, Bill Johnson wrote: >It's already passed yours. > > >Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > >On Thursday, September 14, 2023, 3:22 PM, David Spiegel ><0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >Yours included? > >On 2023-09-14 13:29, Bill Johnson wrote: > > AI will surpass human intelligence. > > > > > https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/14/softbanks-masayoshi-son-says-tech-can-surpass-human-intelligence.html > > > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!
Are you that naive? Ever been to Share? The current makeup of mainframe systems programmers is 65% white, 15% Asian, 9% Hispanic & 5% African American. Factoring in most of the heavy posters are over 50, the demographics are even more white since almost all systems programmers who got into IT in the 50’s through the 70’s were almost exclusively white. Guess what? I can also tell which people are Jewish, Asian, Hispanic, Scandinavian, Irish, and most other ethnicities. That’s not nearly as easy but it’s not as difficult as you’d think. I’d bet Oujeski isn’t a black guy. My Father in Law’s name was Majewski. Almost all IT workers back then were men too. Ever notice the absence of female posters here? A simple check from the bureau of labor statistics from the 50's, 60's, and 70's is quite the fantasy buster I need. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, September 15, 2023, 12:55 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: Only in your fantasy world is it possible to tell the skin color of an e-mail poster whom you have never met. I have you reason to believe that your antagonists are mostly White, and no reason to believe your implicit claim not to be. For all I know, you might be a klan member lying about his skin color. Now, statistically, it's likely that most of the US posters calling you out are White, but this is an international list. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2023 12:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! So no problem with his attack on me, but I retaliate and it’s banning time. This is a white frat boy cult site. Nobody dares challenge the hierarchy. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, September 15, 2023, 12:00 PM, Michael Oujesky wrote: It appears it is well past time to remove Bill from IBM-MAIN. At 02:26 PM 9/14/2023, Bill Johnson wrote: >It's already passed yours. > > >Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > >On Thursday, September 14, 2023, 3:22 PM, David Spiegel ><0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >Yours included? > >On 2023-09-14 13:29, Bill Johnson wrote: > > AI will surpass human intelligence. > > > > > https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/14/softbanks-masayoshi-son-says-tech-can-surpass-human-intelligence.html > > > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!
Only in your fantasy world is it possible to tell the skin color of an e-mail poster whom you have never met. I have you reason to believe that your antagonists are mostly White, and no reason to believe your implicit claim not to be. For all I know, you might be a klan member lying about his skin color. Now, statistically, it's likely that most of the US posters calling you out are White, but this is an international list. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2023 12:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! So no problem with his attack on me, but I retaliate and it’s banning time. This is a white frat boy cult site. Nobody dares challenge the hierarchy. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, September 15, 2023, 12:00 PM, Michael Oujesky wrote: It appears it is well past time to remove Bill from IBM-MAIN. At 02:26 PM 9/14/2023, Bill Johnson wrote: >It's already passed yours. > > >Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > >On Thursday, September 14, 2023, 3:22 PM, David Spiegel ><0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >Yours included? > >On 2023-09-14 13:29, Bill Johnson wrote: > > AI will surpass human intelligence. > > > > > https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/14/softbanks-masayoshi-son-says-tech-can-surpass-human-intelligence.html > > > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!
So no problem with his attack on me, but I retaliate and it’s banning time. This is a white frat boy cult site. Nobody dares challenge the hierarchy. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, September 15, 2023, 12:00 PM, Michael Oujesky wrote: It appears it is well past time to remove Bill from IBM-MAIN. At 02:26 PM 9/14/2023, Bill Johnson wrote: >It's already passed yours. > > >Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > >On Thursday, September 14, 2023, 3:22 PM, David Spiegel ><0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > >Yours included? > >On 2023-09-14 13:29, Bill Johnson wrote: > > AI will surpass human intelligence. > > > > > https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/14/softbanks-masayoshi-son-says-tech-can-surpass-human-intelligence.html > > > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > >-- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!
It appears it is well past time to remove Bill from IBM-MAIN. At 02:26 PM 9/14/2023, Bill Johnson wrote: It's already passed yours. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, September 14, 2023, 3:22 PM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Yours included? On 2023-09-14 13:29, Bill Johnson wrote: > AI will surpass human intelligence. > > https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/14/softbanks-masayoshi-son-says-tech-can-surpass-human-intelligence.html > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!
Anyone who would choose assembler over AI is a complete fool. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, September 14, 2023, 3:26 PM, Bill Johnson <0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: It’s already passed yours. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, September 14, 2023, 3:22 PM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Yours included? On 2023-09-14 13:29, Bill Johnson wrote: > AI will surpass human intelligence. > > https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/14/softbanks-masayoshi-son-says-tech-can-surpass-human-intelligence.html > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!
+1 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Friday, September 15, 2023 7:21 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: AI will surpass human intelligence! Yours included? On 2023-09-14 13:29, Bill Johnson wrote: > AI will surpass human intelligence. > > https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/14/softbanks-masayoshi-son-says-tech-can- > surpass-human-intelligence.html > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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It’s already passed yours. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, September 14, 2023, 3:22 PM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Yours included? On 2023-09-14 13:29, Bill Johnson wrote: > AI will surpass human intelligence. > > https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/14/softbanks-masayoshi-son-says-tech-can-surpass-human-intelligence.html > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: AI will surpass human intelligence!
Yours included? On 2023-09-14 13:29, Bill Johnson wrote: AI will surpass human intelligence. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/14/softbanks-masayoshi-son-says-tech-can-surpass-human-intelligence.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
