Re: Standalone IPL ADRDSSU and Operating Systems Messages z14

[Crispin Hugo]

Thank you that very good advice.



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 Original message 
From: John Eells 
Date: 06/11/2017 07:10 (GMT-05:00)
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Standalone IPL ADRDSSU and Operating Systems Messages z14

> Is there anything in the z14 PSP bucket?

Well, yes, there is. And several years ago I'd have asked the very same
question.

However, we highly recommend using FIXCATs to identify the PTFs needed
for z14s. Reliance on manual PSP-based procedures seems to be the
proximate cause of about a zillion questions and issues that simply
would not arise for those who get the current 2-year HOLDDATA file and
let SMP/E tell you what's missing. (Get that file from the Enhanced
HOLDDATA website or by using RECEIVE ORDER, which always gives you the
2-year file.)


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Re: Standalone IPL ADRDSSU and Operating Systems Messages z14

[John Eells]

Is there anything in the z14 PSP bucket?


Well, yes, there is. And several years ago I'd have asked the very same 
question.


However, we highly recommend using FIXCATs to identify the PTFs needed 
for z14s. Reliance on manual PSP-based procedures seems to be the 
proximate cause of about a zillion questions and issues that simply 
would not arise for those who get the current 2-year HOLDDATA file and 
let SMP/E tell you what's missing. (Get that file from the Enhanced 
HOLDDATA website or by using RECEIVE ORDER, which always gives you the 
2-year file.)



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Re: Standalone IPL ADRDSSU and Operating Systems Messages z14

[Edward Gould]

> On Nov 4, 2017, at 4:23 PM, Edward Finnell 
> <000248cce9f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> You'd think for sure WSC has 'em but don't know contacts anymore. Maybe go 
> thru local Branch.
>  
> In a message dated 11/4/2017 7:07:36 AM Central Standard Time, 
> crispin.h...@macro4.com  writes:
> 
>  
> ADRDSSU standalone IPL and ICKDSF standoalone IPL tape/tapes in the Virginia 
> or near by. I am currently in Chantilly VA. 
> I can get tape from UK but probably not until Tuesday
Becareful of asking IBM, as it may cost you a LOT of money. I wanted to ask the 
IBMer who was installing our machine and he said that will cost you $25K, I 
asked why, he said IBM needs a contract written and that means $$$.
Since then I found the same story, what used to be free is costing large bucks. 
I would drop the IBM and ask someone here as they will do it for free and maybe 
charge for shipping.

Ed


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Re: Standalone IPL ADRDSSU and Operating Systems Messages z14

[Edward Finnell]

You'd think for sure WSC has 'em but don't know contacts anymore. Maybe go thru 
local Branch.
 
In a message dated 11/4/2017 7:07:36 AM Central Standard Time, 
crispin.h...@macro4.com writes:

 
ADRDSSU standalone IPL and ICKDSF standoalone IPL tape/tapes in the Virginia or 
near by. I am currently in Chantilly VA. 
I can get tape from UK but probably not until Tuesday

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Re: Standalone IPL ADRDSSU and Operating Systems Messages z14

[Crispin Hugo]

I don't hold out any hope but I must ask if anyone has an up to date ADRDSSU 
standalone IPL and ICKDSF standoalone IPL tape/tapes in the Virginia or near 
by. I am currently in Chantilly VA.  
I can get tape from UK but probably not until Tuesday

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
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Sent: 04 November 2017 06:56
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Subject: Re: Standalone IPL ADRDSSU and Operating Systems Messages z14

  There are PTFs for standalone ADRDSSU and standalone ICKDSF to support the 
z14, which are necessary because the z14 does not support ESA/390 mode.
You need to install the PTFs and then regenerate the IPL tape.

Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test  IBM Corp. 
Poughkeepsie NY

> I have used the tape many times on zBC12 but when I use it on Z14 , 
> when I go to Operating Systems Messages, I get
> OSM0002 Messages Interface Unavailable.
> I have tried this on HMC and SE and get the same.
> 
> I have trawled the manuals and I can't see what has changed or what 
> needs to be done.
> As usual any suggestions Welcome



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Re: Standalone IPL ADRDSSU and Operating Systems Messages z14

[Crispin Hugo]

Thanks Jim.



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 Original message 
From: Jim Mulder 
Date: 04/11/2017 02:56 (GMT-05:00)
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Standalone IPL ADRDSSU and Operating Systems Messages z14

  There are PTFs for standalone ADRDSSU and standalone ICKDSF to support
the
z14, which are necessary because the z14 does not support ESA/390 mode.
You need to install the PTFs and then regenerate the IPL tape.

Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test  IBM Corp.
Poughkeepsie NY

> I have used the tape many times on zBC12 but when I use it on Z14 ,
> when I go to Operating Systems Messages, I get
> OSM0002 Messages Interface Unavailable.
> I have tried this on HMC and SE and get the same.
>
> I have trawled the manuals and I can't see what has changed or what
> needs to be done.
> As usual any suggestions Welcome



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Re: Standalone IPL ADRDSSU and Operating Systems Messages z14

[Jim Mulder]

  There are PTFs for standalone ADRDSSU and standalone ICKDSF to support 
the 
z14, which are necessary because the z14 does not support ESA/390 mode.
You need to install the PTFs and then regenerate the IPL tape.

Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test  IBM Corp. 
Poughkeepsie NY

> I have used the tape many times on zBC12 but when I use it on Z14 , 
> when I go to Operating Systems Messages, I get 
> OSM0002 Messages Interface Unavailable.
> I have tried this on HMC and SE and get the same.
> 
> I have trawled the manuals and I can't see what has changed or what 
> needs to be done. 
> As usual any suggestions Welcome



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Re: Standalone IPL ADRDSSU and Operating Systems Messages z14

[Crispin Hugo]

Thanks. I will try that tomorrow.



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 Original message 
From: Tom Conley 
Date: 03/11/2017 20:10 (GMT-05:00)
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Standalone IPL ADRDSSU and Operating Systems Messages z14

On 11/3/2017 5:54 PM, Crispin Hugo wrote:
> I have used the tape many times on zBC12 but when I use it on Z14 , when I go 
> to Operating Systems Messages, I get
> OSM0002 Messages Interface Unavailable.
> I have tried this on HMC and SE and get the same.
>
> I have trawled the manuals and I can't see what has changed or what needs to 
> be done.
> As usual any suggestions Welcome
>
> Crispin Hugo
> Systems Specialist
> Macro 4 Limited
> d: +44 1293 872121 | m: +44 7753951308 | t: +44 1293 872000 | 
> www.macro4.com<http://www.macro4.com>
>
>
>

I would try the Integrated 3270 console.  Hit ENTER to generate the
external interrupt, and that should be your IPL console.

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Re: Standalone IPL ADRDSSU and Operating Systems Messages z14

[Crispin Hugo]

I am afraid SYSCONS did not work.



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 Original message 
From: Jesse 1 Robinson 
Date: 03/11/2017 19:16 (GMT-05:00)
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Standalone IPL ADRDSSU and Operating Systems Messages z14

In general for all IPL situations, HMC OpSysMsg is utilized during 'NIP' in two 
situations:

1. The NIP program (loosely, the IPL time code) explicitly directs messages to 
SYSCONS. We do that here for SAD; no 3270 devices are defined. It always works. 
OTOH we have not written a standalone dump tape in years, so I can't say much 
there.

2. All defined 3270 consoles are inaccessible. We use VCC to handle I/O to 
emulated 3270. NIP messages are sent to IODF-defined NIP consoles if at least 
one is accessible. But we've had cases of VCC FUBAR that is not detected by 
NIP. NIP thinks he's talking to a console, but nobody is actually home. The 
only way around this problem is to force the 3270 console chpids offline so 
that NIP will redirect messages to SYSCONS. This is a rare PITA that also 
always works.

The above statements are not dependent AFAIK on hardware level. Same is true 
for z13 (our latest) and all earlier models in my experience. If you don't get 
messages on SYSCONS, look at the standalone restore program definitions and at 
the IOCDS.

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Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 3:56 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: (External):Re: Standalone IPL ADRDSSU and Operating Systems Messages 
z14

I havent done that the nearest machine is in Uk and z14 is in VA. i could not 
see anything in buckets. I can get one done but it will take a few days to get 
here. I need this done this weekend.
Just adrdssu on a jj or jb or jc or ja


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 Original message 
From: Mark Jacobs - Listserv 
Date: 03/11/2017 18:34 (GMT-05:00)
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Standalone IPL ADRDSSU and Operating Systems Messages z14

Have you recreated the iplable tape with the latest level of standalone 
ADRDSSU? Is there anything in the z14 PSP bucket? I'd start with those items.

> Crispin Hugo <mailto:crispin.h...@macro4.com> November 3, 2017 at 5:55
> PM I have used the tape many times on zBC12 but when I use it on Z14 ,
> when I go to Operating Systems Messages, I get
> OSM0002 Messages Interface Unavailable.
> I have tried this on HMC and SE and get the same.
>
> I have trawled the manuals and I can't see what has changed or what
> needs to be done.
> As usual any suggestions Welcome
>
> Crispin Hugo
> Systems Specialist
> Macro 4 Limited
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> www.macro4.com<http://www.macro4.com>
> <http://www.macro4.com>
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Re: Standalone IPL ADRDSSU and Operating Systems Messages z14

[Tom Conley]

On 11/3/2017 5:54 PM, Crispin Hugo wrote:

I have used the tape many times on zBC12 but when I use it on Z14 , when I go 
to Operating Systems Messages, I get
OSM0002 Messages Interface Unavailable.
I have tried this on HMC and SE and get the same.

I have trawled the manuals and I can't see what has changed or what needs to be 
done.
As usual any suggestions Welcome

Crispin Hugo
Systems Specialist
Macro 4 Limited
d: +44 1293 872121 | m: +44 7753951308 | t: +44 1293 872000 | www.macro4.com

   



I would try the Integrated 3270 console.  Hit ENTER to generate the 
external interrupt, and that should be your IPL console.


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Re: Standalone IPL ADRDSSU and Operating Systems Messages z14

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

In general for all IPL situations, HMC OpSysMsg is utilized during 'NIP' in two 
situations:

1. The NIP program (loosely, the IPL time code) explicitly directs messages to 
SYSCONS. We do that here for SAD; no 3270 devices are defined. It always works. 
OTOH we have not written a standalone dump tape in years, so I can't say much 
there.  

2. All defined 3270 consoles are inaccessible. We use VCC to handle I/O to 
emulated 3270. NIP messages are sent to IODF-defined NIP consoles if at least 
one is accessible. But we've had cases of VCC FUBAR that is not detected by 
NIP. NIP thinks he's talking to a console, but nobody is actually home. The 
only way around this problem is to force the 3270 console chpids offline so 
that NIP will redirect messages to SYSCONS. This is a rare PITA that also 
always works.

The above statements are not dependent AFAIK on hardware level. Same is true 
for z13 (our latest) and all earlier models in my experience. If you don't get 
messages on SYSCONS, look at the standalone restore program definitions and at 
the IOCDS. 

.
.
J.O.Skip Robinson
Southern California Edison Company
Electric Dragon Team Paddler 
SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager
323-715-0595 Mobile
626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Crispin Hugo
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 3:56 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: (External):Re: Standalone IPL ADRDSSU and Operating Systems Messages 
z14

I havent done that the nearest machine is in Uk and z14 is in VA. i could not 
see anything in buckets. I can get one done but it will take a few days to get 
here. I need this done this weekend.
Just adrdssu on a jj or jb or jc or ja


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 Original message 
From: Mark Jacobs - Listserv 
Date: 03/11/2017 18:34 (GMT-05:00)
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Standalone IPL ADRDSSU and Operating Systems Messages z14

Have you recreated the iplable tape with the latest level of standalone 
ADRDSSU? Is there anything in the z14 PSP bucket? I'd start with those items.

> Crispin Hugo <mailto:crispin.h...@macro4.com> November 3, 2017 at 5:55 
> PM I have used the tape many times on zBC12 but when I use it on Z14 , 
> when I go to Operating Systems Messages, I get
> OSM0002 Messages Interface Unavailable.
> I have tried this on HMC and SE and get the same.
>
> I have trawled the manuals and I can't see what has changed or what 
> needs to be done.
> As usual any suggestions Welcome
>
> Crispin Hugo
> Systems Specialist
> Macro 4 Limited
> d: +44 1293 872121 | m: +44 7753951308 | t: +44 1293 872000 | 
> www.macro4.com<http://www.macro4.com>
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Re: Standalone IPL ADRDSSU and Operating Systems Messages z14

[Crispin Hugo]

I havent done that the nearest machine is in Uk and z14 is in VA. i could not 
see anything in buckets. I can get one done but it will take a few days to get 
here. I need this done this weekend.
Just adrdssu on a jj or jb or jc or ja


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 Original message 
From: Mark Jacobs - Listserv 
Date: 03/11/2017 18:34 (GMT-05:00)
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Standalone IPL ADRDSSU and Operating Systems Messages z14

Have you recreated the iplable tape with the latest level of standalone
ADRDSSU? Is there anything in the z14 PSP bucket? I'd start with those
items.

> Crispin Hugo <mailto:crispin.h...@macro4.com>
> November 3, 2017 at 5:55 PM
> I have used the tape many times on zBC12 but when I use it on Z14 ,
> when I go to Operating Systems Messages, I get
> OSM0002 Messages Interface Unavailable.
> I have tried this on HMC and SE and get the same.
>
> I have trawled the manuals and I can't see what has changed or what
> needs to be done.
> As usual any suggestions Welcome
>
> Crispin Hugo
> Systems Specialist
> Macro 4 Limited
> d: +44 1293 872121 | m: +44 7753951308 | t: +44 1293 872000 |
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[Mark Jacobs - Listserv]

Have you recreated the iplable tape with the latest level of standalone 
ADRDSSU? Is there anything in the z14 PSP bucket? I'd start with those 
items.



Crispin Hugo 
November 3, 2017 at 5:55 PM
I have used the tape many times on zBC12 but when I use it on Z14 , 
when I go to Operating Systems Messages, I get

OSM0002 Messages Interface Unavailable.
I have tried this on HMC and SE and get the same.

I have trawled the manuals and I can't see what has changed or what 
needs to be done.

As usual any suggestions Welcome

Crispin Hugo
Systems Specialist
Macro 4 Limited
d: +44 1293 872121 | m: +44 7753951308 | t: +44 1293 872000 | 
www.macro4.com 





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Standalone IPL ADRDSSU and Operating Systems Messages z14

[Crispin Hugo]

I have used the tape many times on zBC12 but when I use it on Z14 , when I go 
to Operating Systems Messages, I get 
OSM0002 Messages Interface Unavailable.
I have tried this on HMC and SE and get the same.

I have trawled the manuals and I can't see what has changed or what needs to be 
done. 
As usual any suggestions Welcome

Crispin Hugo
Systems Specialist
Macro 4 Limited
d: +44 1293 872121 | m: +44 7753951308 | t: +44 1293 872000 | www.macro4.com

      

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Tom Mathias
Sent: 03 November 2017 15:39
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Z14 IOCP and USB

Starting with the z14, you don't need the SE to be able to connect to the FTP 
server anymore.  The SE will go thru an HMC to get to an FTP server.  So, your 
SE's can remain on a more isolated network but one of your HMC's adapters must 
be on a network with connectivity to the FTP server.  

This only works for z14 systems (z14 SE thru a z14 HMC).  

Tom Mathias

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