Re: [Ilugc] Wanted Coordinator!!
Hi, Having known Bharathi and LUG for a decently long time, and having worked along side T.Shrinivas on a lot of occasion as a physical volunteer for LUG, I would give a +1 vote for him. On a lot of occasion when we direly needed human help he has come forward and given a strong helping hand. He has also proved himself by grooming Kanchi LUG to be an active and vibrant community. IMHO, he is the right person to fit into the shoes of Bharathi, as Raman has declared himself out of the race. Just to remind, LUG coordinators have always kept a very low profile but have commanded the respect of the LUG by their dedication and involvement in leading and organizing LUG activities. -- With Regards, Parthan SR technofreak GPG Key 2FF01026 Fingerprint 5707 ECBD 8D8D 8E6E 28F8 DFA5 938B D861 2FF0 1026 Weblog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Our New Office Boy - T Srinivasan
On Saturday 29 May 2010 06:10 PM, pavithran wrote: On 29 May 2010 17:49, Bharathi Subramanianbharathi.l...@gmail.com wrote: Based on the list discussion and personal response from our members, I am happy to announce Mr Srinivasan T as the new Office Boy aka Co-Ordinator of the ILUGC. Congrats Srini :) Its always nice to see fresh team on moderators list ! BTW are any rules changing ? Regards, Pavithran There Are No Rules To Change!! -- With Regards, Parthan SR technofreak GPG Key 2FF01026 Fingerprint 5707 ECBD 8D8D 8E6E 28F8 DFA5 938B D861 2FF0 1026 Weblog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] .a-language-tip-a-week. [ LANGUAGETIP - C ] first episode randtype(1)
Hi Girish, Nothing related to the post, but can you post your tips with a tag like [ATAK] and/or [ALangTAK] so that it is easier to filter or browse through. We had one such earlier for One Day One Command [ODOC] from Bharathi. -- With Regards, Parthan SR technofreak GPG Key 2FF01026 Fingerprint 5707 ECBD 8D8D 8E6E 28F8 DFA5 938B D861 2FF0 1026 Weblog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] significance of deepavali
Anthoni Shogan wrote: Is it so difficult to reply to a person privately, telling him not to top/bottom post? Does it really require such a mail to be addressed to the list, with all the talking we've done over years to keep the archives clean and helpful to others?? If we start advising people off the list, then where will be the opportunity for those silent, non-participating n00bs to learn what's right and what's not? And, is it so difficult to press Delete button than adding to noise? There are two simple rules for peaceful life in this list - [1] when a spam comes just ignore, [2] when a spammer is pointed out to his mistakes, or even flamed, do not add fuel to fire or more to the noise, justifying his acts in the name of freedom. -- With Regards, Parthan SR technofreak GPG Key 2FF01026 Fingerprint 5707 ECBD 8D8D 8E6E 28F8 DFA5 938B D861 2FF0 1026 Weblog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [SFD09] Volunteers Meet
Bharathi Subramanian wrote: Dear All, SFD09 Volunteers meet is scheduled on Sat Aug 29th 5PM in Gandhi Mandabham, Opp to Anna Univ and next to Raj Bhavan, Guindy. Local volunteers are requested to attend this meet to decide the overall SFD plan. Bye :) I will not be able to catch up this meeting as am out of station that day. Please send a MoM after the meet so those who missed it can also share their thoughts. -- With Regards, Parthan SR technofreak GPG Key 2FF01026 Fingerprint 5707 ECBD 8D8D 8E6E 28F8 DFA5 938B D861 2FF0 1026 Weblog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] open source final year projects
Eknath Venkataramani wrote: I am a little confused here... 1) Does the motive really matter assuming the quality would be undeterred? Of course, doing a bad thing with high quality is no good than doing good thing with bad quality ;) 2) Yes it is a shame. Yes it is business, they are doing. Well, most corporates/organizations will offer you a decent stipend if you do your interns there. But the problem is you will most probably be not working on anything that they are going to make use of. Unless when your work is at par to their expectations on their own employee's performance or you have done something far too useful for them to neglect, it's just another intern for them. Mostly it is a passive talent hunt for future employees. 3) I guess I have no choice but to bank on a good project since _I_ have wasted my engineering life in this sordid institution. There is a saying in Tamil, Ikkaraiku a'karai pachhai. A talented archer will still hit the target with a bamboo bow. It doesn't matter how your institution is, which in my personal experience every institution is more or less the same, it's your own personal aspirations, self-motivated initiatives and hard work which is going to pay. It's *your* damned life and future, and it is utter irresponsibility to blame others for making a mess of it. 4) I saw the sites you wanted me to go through. The obstacle there was that it is a freaking ocean out there and I am to pick a drop of water out of that. I am really confused as to which project I should choose even within a particular sub category :( Everybody have to start from some shore and swim. If you don't start from somewhere, you are never going to swim in the ocean one day :) At worst case, close your eyes and pick one, take it as a challenge and contribute to the project. It will at least surely prove to be a learning experience and will help you pick better projects next time. -- With Regards, Parthan SR technofreak GPG Key 2FF01026 Fingerprint 5707 ECBD 8D8D 8E6E 28F8 DFA5 938B D861 2FF0 1026 Weblog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] PyCon India 2009 - Call for Proposal/Participation
Hi, PyCon http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyCon India 2009, first Python Conference in India, is being organized by the Python user and developer community in India. The conference will consist of a number of full length presentations, lightning talks, sprints and BoFs http://wiki.python.org/moin/BoFs. Venue: Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore Dates: 26th and 27th September 2009 How to register: Register online at http://in.pycon.org/2009/register before 1st August and get an early-bird discount or register directly at the conference. Call for Proposals: PyCon http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyCon India is looking for proposals on all aspects of Python programming. We will accept a broad range of presentations, from reports on academic and commercial projects to tutorials and case studies. As long as the presentation is interesting and potentially useful to the Python community, it will be considered for inclusion in the conference. All the talks will be within 45-60 minutes. There will also be a dedicated Lightning Talk session for talks no longer than five minutes. More information about the conference can be found from the conference website http://in.pycon.org/2009/. /*P.S.* The discussions for PyCon India happens at inpy...@python.org . Please join this list if you want to know more about how you can help us./ -- With Regards, Parthan SR technofreak GPG Key 2FF01026 Fingerprint 5707 ECBD 8D8D 8E6E 28F8 DFA5 938B D861 2FF0 1026 Weblog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] [X-Post] Freenode is looking for donations
- Forwarded Content -- I will try to keep this brief and to the point. This message has been cross posted to several lists which will explain why you might get more than one copy. I hope you find it informative too. Send all flames to me, not to the lists. I'm taking off the other hats I wear for a moment to ask for you or your company's support of Freenode [1] (technically the Peer-Directed Projects Center or PDPC) now based in the United Kingdom. For those that don't know, Freenode is an IRC [2] network supporting Open Source and Free Software communities globally. Another PDPC activity is the annual FOSSCON conference in the fall. PDPC is specifically [3] raising funds in order to be recognized by the UK as an official charitable organization. This status has many benefits, however they need to raise a certain amount of money by March, 2009. There are just a few days left in the fundraising campaign. Canonical Ltd. (the company created by Mark Shuttleworth that drives Ubuntu Linux) has graciously stepped forward to provide dollar for dollar matching, magnifying the impact of your donations to PDPC. The fund raising goal has almost been reached but your contribution is needed. Brainstorming by the PDPC board of directors for how to use any funds not used for operations includes hosting live conference events in Europe and the US, extending current services and improving the reliability of the freenode network by hosting a few of their own hubs and backup systems. Freenode is growing rapidly [4] supporting up to 57,000 concurrent users up from a maximum of about 40,000 18 months ago. Some people may not be aware that IRC is used by a huge array of Open Source and Free Software projects. The list of groups [5] Freenode works with is truly impressive. I feel it is not at all hyperbole to say that the work done over freenode and OFTC [6] are the real-time backbone of open source collaboration throughout the world, Coders use the IRC network to develop applications used by millions of people every day and provide *end user support*. If you use any open source software you may be an indirect beneficiary of the services Freenode provides. I encourage those who are interested to try launching an IRC client such as Pidgin [7] and see for yourself. You won't be sorry you did. While I have used Freenode for many years, this year I too became a contributor for the first time. For a one time contribution http://freenode.net/pdpc_donations.shtml of as little as $8 you can join me in supporting Freenode and the many Open Source projects they serve. Thanks for your consideration, -- -- Grant Bowman grant...@gmail.com [1] http://freenode.net/pdpc_donations.shtml http://fosscon.org/about/ [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat is a form of group instant messaging first used in 1988. Related sites include http://www.irchelp.org/ and http://www.irc.org/ [3] http://blog.freenode.net/2008/10/fundraising-for-charity-status/ http://blog.freenode.net/2009/03/20082009-fundraiser-campaign-update/ [4] http://freenode.net/history.shtml also http://searchirc.com/network/Freenode [5] http://freenode.net/primary_groups.shtml include the Apache Software Foundation, Canonical Ltd (Ubuntu), Creative Commons Corporation, Free Software Foundation (GNU Project), Mozilla Foundation (Firefox), MySQL AB, NetBSD Foundation, Open Darwin Foundation (Apple builds OSX using Darwin), OpenOffice.org, Red Hat, Inc. the World Wide Web Consortium among others. [6] OFTC is a a similar but much smaller IRC network. See Freenode and OFTC IRC networks buddy up, May 2007 http://www.linux.com/articles/62098 also http://searchirc.com/network/OFTC [7] http://pidgin.im is an IRC client that runs on Windows, Mac and Linux formerly named Gaim. http://www.mirc.com/ is also popular on the Windows platform. -- End - ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Problem in PHP Type conversion.
praba karan wrote: The Code which laughed at me : *?php echo (int)((0.1+0.7)*10); ?* As per the logic *ANSWER should be 8 but i'm getting only 7*.. why it is so ??? (From: http://www.phpbuilder.com/manual/en/language.types.integer.php) * Warning* Never cast an unknown fraction to integer http://phpbuilder.com/manual/en/language.types.integer.php, as this can sometimes lead to unexpected results. | ?php echo (int) ( (0.1+0.7) * 10 ); // echoes 7! ?| if the code is written as *echo ((0.1+0.7)*10); * //or *echo (float) ((0.1+0.7)*10);* then no issues in getting the answer 8.. (From: http://phpbuilder.com/manual/en/language.types.float.php) It is typical that simple decimal fractions like /0.1/ or /0.7/ cannot be converted into their internal binary counterparts without a small loss of precision. This can lead to confusing results: for example, /floor((0.1+0.7)*10)/ will usually return /7/ instead of the expected /8/, since the internal representation will be something like /7.9/. -- With Regards, Parthan SR technofreak GPG Key 2FF01026 Fingerprint 5707 ECBD 8D8D 8E6E 28F8 DFA5 938B D861 2FF0 1026 Weblog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Blender Guru(s)
Sivanandhan, P. wrote: On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Sivanandhan, P. apsi...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any Blender (www.blender.org) Guru(s) available in the list? Please contact me offline (preferably with demos) Oops! meant off-list First time hearing that a Guru needs to contact a Shishyan that too off the list and without nothing being specified why ;-) -- With Regards, Parthan SR technofreak GPG Key 2FF01026 Fingerprint 5707 ECBD 8D8D 8E6E 28F8 DFA5 938B D861 2FF0 1026 Weblog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Communicating in lists
Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote: In brief, if you don't have anything to say, don't say it, if you don't like what is written just ignore/delete it. Instead of spending so much energy on deciding which *language* we can communicate in, we should spend some time on communicating! And also please don't write a mail with 1945 words. Nobody is going to read it through ;-) -- With Regards, Parthan SR technofreak GPG Key 2FF01026 Fingerprint 5707 ECBD 8D8D 8E6E 28F8 DFA5 938B D861 2FF0 1026 Weblog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Communicating in lists
Santosh wrote: Parthan SR wrote: And also please don't write a mail with 1945 words. Nobody is going to read it through ;-) People who really care do. If you don't read it, you don't have to say it out here. He has taken the initiative to do some ground work on what is what and how can these be solved, you don't have to appreciate, but can keep from dishonouring/disrespecting/(or whatever you call it) these initiatives. Well I just now realized i missed a +1 before my statement. What i meant was the 1945 words that Roshan took pains counting and letting us know in his earlier mails :) @Kapil, the comment was not for your post :) -- With Regards, Parthan SR technofreak GPG Key 2FF01026 Fingerprint 5707 ECBD 8D8D 8E6E 28F8 DFA5 938B D861 2FF0 1026 Weblog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] என் ஆர் சி பா ஸ் - மின்பதிப்பாக் கப் பட்டறை
Balachandran Sivakumar wrote: Do we have a moderation policy in ilug-c ? For sometime now, there has been too much of personal attacks. Instead of adding another dose of noise, I take this opportunity to request the admins to wake up. Time to tighten up the noose as things are getting out of our hands. 3 threads of nothing but personal attacks and meaningless debates, going on and on. I haven't been getting anything else for the past few days. I feel it's better to have some moderation policy when things get out of hands and people start attacking each other personally, as well as value less trolls. I would like them to be kicked out of the list. Secondly, the mailman listinfo states that the language of message to be displayed is English and I would like that to be declared primary language of communication in this list. This will avoid unnecessary noise in the list regarding language to be used in the list. Only exception can be that the OP is not able to express his question clearly in English and chooses to do the same in Tamil, in which case a member in the list can volunteer to translate if in English for other members to reply to the query and if required back to Tamil so the OP can understand. We expect such occasions to be very rare and hence permissible. -- With Regards, Parthan SR technofreak GPG Key 2FF01026 Fingerprint 5707 ECBD 8D8D 8E6E 28F8 DFA5 938B D861 2FF0 1026 Weblog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] fossconf-09-negative side
sivaji j.g wrote: Does it makes any sense in recruiting peoples who has no FOSS background for FOSS development ? Because they are interested to know and contribute? I at least know one person who came in without any idea about FOSS, went up to delivering a lot of talks on FOSS and now works as a Python programmer in the city where am currently. NRCFOSS has been promoting FOSS for a long while among the colleges isn't it ? why don't they recruit students who are well trained in FOSS ? Because the students you mentioned are more interested in securing a job in one of the big IT MNCs or going abroad than working in NRCFOSS. I had never seen an application from the student you mentioned above till I was in NRCFOSS. Have you applied there? Are you ready to work there? Look at a mirror and answer the question yourselves before asking it to others. -- With Regards, Parthan SR technofreak GPG Key 2FF01026 Fingerprint 5707 ECBD 8D8D 8E6E 28F8 DFA5 938B D861 2FF0 1026 Weblog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] fossconf-09-negative side
Prakash A S wrote: Yes. I also agree that, in fossconf it wont accept from the speaker. But we accepted them to uploaded their .ppt slides. This issue claims that the mistake is also from our side. Allowed them and finally blamed only them is meaning less. First, I was no way involved with the conference, so I can't speak for somebody who was responsible. But, remember someone has come forward, accepted the responsibility and even apologized for it. Second, nobody is blaming anyone here. He just took the liberty to mention the mistakes, which was actually done on the organizers end, just to let people know what needs to be kept in mind the next time. I have no more words here for why she uploaded .ppt files here. Instead, I interested to know about WHY THIS OPEN SOURCE WORLD ALLOWED TO EXECUTE ALL OUR OPEN TOOLS IN WINDOWS PLATFORM INSTEAD OF ONLY IN LINUX GIVING OPTION TO WORK ALSO IN WINDOWS?. So that, we can pass the info like dont use WAMP; Use only LAMP,.etc. I would kindly request you not to shout in the mailing list, even if you wanted to stress on something very much. Secondly, there is a transition process for people who are for years used to working with proprietary OS and Softwares. The process is you first give them tools you use in day-to-day life and once they're comfortable with it, you change the OS on which they work. This helps them not being thrown into too much of wilderness. Secondly, we respect the freedom of choice by people. They might be interested in using FOSS softwares but due to certain reasons might be pinned down to a proprietary OS for time being. Neglecting such users completely serves no purpose of letting them appreciate the benefits of FOSS. Thus, a lot of FOSS softwares also have support for Windows and Mac. Thirdly, which is much similar to the first point, people might like to have an idea of how good FOSS softwares are before they move away from a Proprietary OS and Software completely. Under such cases, having FOSS softwares serves the purpose of giving them a taste of freedom without getting them into too much uncomfortable environment. Again, I would like to remind that the problem was using both a proprietary format using a proprietary software as well as using proprietary operating system (and not just the latter one). I would also like to reiterate, having been in NRCFOSS myself, that they need to have an internal awareness program for new people joining NRCFOSS as many of them tend to be not from a FOSS background and occasionally with no clue of FOSS. (Well, said in the best interests of NRCFOSS). -- With Regards, Parthan SR technofreak GPG Key 2FF01026 Fingerprint 5707 ECBD 8D8D 8E6E 28F8 DFA5 938B D861 2FF0 1026 Weblog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] FossConf 2009 Prize
Venkatraman S wrote: now spamming! we know additions :) -V- Actually no. I appreciate his effort in keeping the total prize money value updated :) -- With Regards, Parthan SR technofreak GPG Key 2FF01026 Fingerprint 5707 ECBD 8D8D 8E6E 28F8 DFA5 938B D861 2FF0 1026 Weblog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Terminal
sivaji j.g wrote: hi My terminal shows a lengthy path as i go down the file system, say when i am working in directory /home/sivaji/Public/drupal6/sites/all/modules/quiz it shows siv...@dappyboy:~/Public/drupal6/sites/all/modules/quiz$ i don't need the full path just siv...@dappyboy:~/quiz$ is enough. how can i change it ? http://www.google.co.in/search?q=bash+prompt+customize -- With Regards, Parthan technofreak (2FF01026) http://technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] problems compiling a qt file
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: hi, I have a file web-kit.ccp. The compiling instructions say: /* compile with moc webkit-image.cpp webkit-image.h but when I run this, I get this error: [r...@xlquest gpa]# moc webkit-image.cpp webkit-image.h bash: moc: command not found any clues? (I know zilch about C or C++) You need the package qt3-dev-tools [1] which contains qmake, uic and moc. [1] http://download.gna.org/pdbv/demo_html/demo_2.0.10/package/qt3-dev-tools_3:3.3.3-8.html -- With Regards, Parthan technofreak (2FF01026) http://technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] OT: Fwd: Bridging the gap between rural india and wikipedia
Suraj Kumar wrote: Ideally, we would have a computer kiosk where people can access wikipedia. But besides Internet connection and Computer Literacy being limiting factors there are other practical problems of Rural india - Frequent power supply failures, 'fear' amongst rural india's peoples to use computers, etc., So obviously, doing it through a computer with internet connection is out of question here. Wow, hearing something similar to what I have been with (through my employer) for the past 2 years :) We operate Rural Telcenters, or Technology Enabled Rural Kiosks, all over Karnataka and few other states. From our experience what we have learnt is rather than taking technology to rural people, taking benefits of technology to them is more beneficial and meaningful. For example, they do not ideally want a computer and internet to go and book tickets, all they want is a place where they can utilize such a facility. They do not want a computer and internet to pay their utility bills. They want a place with such a facility that they can easily pay their bills in their own villages. Although the idea of Wiki-enabled Kiosk sounds interesting, we also need to count the literacy level of the villagers to use such a facility. How will they go and find an information they want? Do they know to type the keyword to get their information? While providing a reliable internet connection over rural India still remains a challenge, the further challenge is maintaining these so called kiosks. The main problem is high frequency of power outages and management of resources. To mention some similar endeavors, check out Nemmadi project by GoK and RBCs operated by Comat in Karnataka and by OneRoof in certain parts of TN. -- With Regards, Parthan technofreak (2FF01026) http://technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] firefox10 network manager does not know that network is running
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: hi, I normally access the internet through my tata indicom usb modem. In fedora10 I go to system-network and activate the modem. Network is up, email, ssh, http etc all work, but network manager icon shows a red X. So if I try to run the gui software installer, it says 'no network found'. On starting firefox and kmail, both go into offline mode because network manager tells them that there is no network. I have to manually poke them to get them to work. I demo'd the bug at gnunify, and the best brains of RH tried to do something. So far no success, but the asked me to post the bug here so they could reply when fixed. Check your /etc/network/interfaces file - is there an entry for ppp0? If not so, create an entry for it. NM checks interfaces file and if doesn't find an entry it thinks that the interface is not up. It used to happen for me when I move from PPPoE to direct connection when I switch between my connection at Chennai (where I have to manually connect through pppoe) and here. -- With Regards, Parthan technofreak (2FF01026) http://technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Reminder: Please Respond to Balakrishnan's Invitation
p.sriram wrote: any user spamming the list with invites from yaari / hi-5 whatever shall be immediately unsubscribed and also banned from subscribing in future - yes / no Well, as a list admin of a few lists myself I have thought about this and my stance is [1] Either moderate them or ban them, this makes sure that they learn their lessons and are careful in future [2] Moderation or banning actually doesn't stop new people from doing the same mistake. It is usually a new comer to the list (who is also a new comer to the culture of mailing list and etiquettes) who does such mistakes and hence it will keep happening once in a while, as new people keep joining and making mistakes. May be moderating a new member until he has made N number of posts or for N weeks makes some sense, but takes a huge overhead on the list admins as they have to keep constantly checking and marking on/off people. [3] the seasoned members also need to have some amount of tolerance. We all know why it is happening and who's making it. We also know we can't stop it, especially in a active list such as ours. Under such circumstance, I feel Delete key is an easier and quicker solution than making an huge thread out of every such mail. We all know the admins/mods are watching such mails as well, and action will be taken without much noise. My 2 paisas. -- With Regards, Parthan technofreak (2FF01026) http://technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] to learn web development.
Venkatraman S wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:32 PM, sohail genius sohailgen...@yahoo.comwrote: But please do remember i am a newbie not a techie. Probably, you can start with SICP(google for this term) and understand the fundamentals of computing. This would take a couple of months to a year. Try to understand subjects such as computer architecture, networking, data structures etc also. Honestly, why do you want to frighten the kid? ;-) I would rather suggest playing around with what he has claimed to have learnt. [1] Start creating small apps which would be useful to you, like a mini-diary, a blog, a photo album, a contact list, etc. [2] Run it on your local machine and use it. Try learning more and better ways to the same and keep your creations evolving. [3] When you feel you have got enough of exposure, you can start to take small tasks from people as part-time. [4] For this, you have to invest in participation and getting to know people, parallel to your learning process. Join some PHP forums and mailing list, answer to queries, listen to what others say, what others are doing. [5] Improve your communication. Check this list on how people are asking questions, replying questions, etc. [6] Participate in LUG meets and other UG meetings, get to know people, share experiences. Well, along the way you will get to know a lot of things like SICP. but you have to decide what to master and what to merely have an exposure. There is no generalized best way to do it. You have to try, learn and make your own best ways. -- With Regards, Parthan technofreak (2FF01026) http://technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] SVN installation Error
mettur salem wrote: Dear All, During installation of SVN i have error my linux box under subversion dir i used to ./autogen.sh it is fully installed later ./configure gives an error configure: WARNING: APR not found The Apache Portable Runtime (APR) library cannot be found. Please install APR on this system and supply the appropriate --with-apr option to 'configure' Though am not using Fedora, apt gives me the package to be `libapr1 - The Apache Portable Runtime Library `. Am sure it is something similar in Fedora as well. Try `yum search apr` or `yum search libapr` :) -- With Regards, Parthan technofreak (2FF01026) http://technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] What logs to check for a system crash?
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: ubuntu is crap - go for some reliable distro Care to explain? If you prefer using one distro at the same time not comfortable with some other distro, you are free to prescribe your favourite distro to people but that doesn't mean you can call other distros as crap. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Anyone at MIT, GOI listening?
Shuveb Hussain wrote: , 14K in Chennai is tough for survival and with a family, you can just forget all about it. Well, 14k in Chennai is as good as earning 25k in Bangalore, and if you don't have *your own family* it is very much possible to survive happily. It might not be the best option for long time but for a year or two, especially when you ought to be looking for gaining experience, a 14k job is more than enough. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] collaborative authoring software
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Thursday 08 Jan 2009 1:10:56 pm Parthan SR wrote: hi, can anyone suggest collaborative authoring software? A person should be able to upload and edit a document, and others may view, give comments inline, or edit depending on permissions. Will this fit into your requirements - http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/ ? where do the documents live? During editing the document lives in the server (i.e. it needs to opened by a user who becomes the owner of the document). Whoever serves the document can make it visible only to certain users and share it with them. The users in turn can edit it (appears in different colors for different users while editing) and even save a local copy of it at the end. IIRC, the owner can lock the document in between if he wants it to make it not editable by others. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Project guidance
Shahrukh Khan wrote: Also, please avoid top posting while mailing the list. what is meant by top postin May be you missed this in the archive - http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2006-February/024000.html -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Project guidance
Shahrukh Khan wrote: [snip I first thought it was some kind of poem. May be they should include How to write emails professionally as a part of their curriculum. Or read up things like http://jerz.setonhill.edu/writing/e-text/e-mail.htm Well coming to the point, are you looking for [1] mentors, [2] co-developers or [3] who will take your code/idea and actually develop it ? Is your source code available somewhere for people to look and comment? Or you need help to start with the project? Be more clear on the exact kind of help you are looking for when asking for one. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Project guidance
Shahrukh Khan wrote: Sorry for my mailed words. I need help to start to start the project as i am a newbie to LINU It would be wise if you could make yourself to the next/upcoming ILUGC Monthly Meet and find a resource/mentor who can help you out. But you need to do some homework of taking a clean project idea in terms of deliverables to him/her. If you just go and say I need to do a project in PHP, on GNU/Linux platform, nobody is going to take your cries seriously. Good luck. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Project guidance
Shahrukh Khan wrote: [snip] [1] Please read the already given links about email etiquettes and also read the mailing list guidelines for ILUGC. [2] Please do not use sir in your every statement. We are neither your headmaster or your maths professor. [3] Please discuss this off this list, as in mail people personally; all I have been seeing in the last 10 posts is just repeated thanks. You man mail Ravi (ravi.goglob...@gmail.com) personally and get his help. Thanks. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] RE: Axis Bank webpage
Sankara Rameswaran wrote: It's the whole process of testing across all browser for compatibility. Using libraries doesn't automatically guarantee that it works in all broswers, as a matter of fact... The worst part is a lot a manpower is required to verify these. What if you allow your customers to drop in feedbacks? In FOSS, the best testers are always the customers/users. If they start welcoming user feedbacks, listen to them and act upon them, that's worth the effort of having 1000 testers. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] RE: Axis Bank webpage
Saripalli Siva Prakash venkata phani wrote: Hi,Feedback is for improvement. Ideally, users shouldn't come across any bugs. Pushing the testing to users is bad Well. no amount of testing can stop you from encountering on the field bugs and issues. It is not a good idea not to consider your users to be one among the testers who can perform the value task of doing real time testing. And not having a system for users to give feedbacks is a big loss for you. The ideal situation of presenting a product without a single bug to your users will never happen. Secondly, we are not asking an untested product to be released for your users. But, after you have checked out your logics and work flows and ensured no fault exists in them, only your users will be able to test your product in real time situations. And not having them to be able to offer feedbacks is a big hole in the process. Thirdly, banks can use their own staff members as a tester resource, enabling them to use their own online services and thereby finding bugs, issues and improvements in them. Thus, you do not allow a buggy product to hit your users, but still have almost real life like users to test your product and find how satisfying it is for your users. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] beginner in python needing help
moham ilias wrote: Dear sir, I have started learning python and i find it not much difficult since i have programming knowledge in c/c++.but i dont know how to start a very simple project using python. Welcome to the community of Python enthusiasts. Well, I wonder how the statement I have been surfing in the net to get the source code of some projects but all proved to be vain . so can anybody help in this regard by directing me to a proper source. is possible because I got this - http://code.google.com/hosting/search?q=label%3aPython You can start learning python from this wonderful book on Python written by one of our fellow Indians - http://www.swaroopch.com/notes/Python And for asking doubts, you can make use of ChennaiPy (http://groups.google.com/group/chennaipy) or Bangpypers (http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers), or you can log into #python. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Centralized Tamil Spell checker for GNU/LINUX
S.Selvam Siva wrote: Here the snapshot of the work done so far, http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1lw2mh9.png Can you check with the default Spell Checker Dialog in Gedit and note how the UI looks. Much better example with be the one in Kate if it does have one. The spell checker UI in the above screen shot is a very bad example of UI design. I very well understand that it's just a prototype but thought of pointing you in the right direction. The word alternatives are listed as radio buttons with the buttons aligned straight to them, which visually implies that each button has something to do with the option it is lined with, but it is not exactly true in your case. Also, the common way of offering options in spell checkers is through a single-selectable list box and the buttons aligned in a 2 row or 3 row two column arrangement. You can see this in the default spell checker used in Gedit. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Centralized Tamil Spell checker for GNU/LINUX
ம. ஸ்ரீ ராமதாஸ்|Sri Ramadoss M wrote: In fedora docs I found a tool, where people edit documents together.. not sure what.. yes I got it.. Its Gobby :-) Any one using Gobby here? http://dailypackage.fedorabook.com/index.php?/archives/107-Productive-Monday-Gobby-Collaborative-editor.html Well, to record the fact that Gobby has been used as a standard for collaborative textual content development in Ubuntu community for long, especially by the Indian team. `apt-get install gobby` FTW!. ;-) -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Dec Month ILUGC Meet
Ashok Gautham wrote: We still won't have people like Kapil ji, Raman and Bharathi. Why not? Did they tell you they won't come? As well as, am sure a lot of others would come, even if not these 3. We will just be a bunch of enthusiastic students who keep coming in in cycles. Well, that is what an User Group requires and is all about - Enthusiasts. That's what we are all. We will keep reinventing the wheel. There is no wheel we invented. We just keep rolling the wheel we know and have been rolling for years. We very much welcome others to roll similar wheels to nook and corner that we can't or aren't able to reach. Also ILUGC is well established. So you will get better speakers. So you expect some people from ilugc to keep speaking all the time. Why dont you try speaking at some point in your life or someone from your bunch of enthusiast who keep coming on cycles speak? Do you think it is not possible for them to give better talks? Break the ice at some point of your life, dude. I remember a Portuguese speaker came once to deliver a talk on err... some Skype equivalent if I am not wrong. At every announcement of speeches, I curse my misfortune for not being able to be there. Well then request someone in this mailing list who attended that talk to deliver it again for you guys. Am pretty sure somebody will come forward to do it. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: ILUC Meet on Saturday
ம. ஸ்ரீ ராமதாஸ்|Sri Ramadoss M wrote: Well.. I just say at this point of time, in my experience, proprietary people understand a User better than FOSS people... I always thought it's users of proprietary software who puts themselves into the shoes of the s/w maker instead of the s/w makes making the shoe as per the user wants. On the other hand, most FOSS softwares are written by people who were/are users of their own software or at least they make the initial version of it for their own foot size and as more people started trying to put their foot in, it got improved. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Dec Month ILUGC Meet
Raman.P wrote: --- On Sun, 14/12/08, Ashok Gautham thescriptde...@gmail.com wrote: upcoming GATE in Feb This seems to be an indirect and rather hacky solution to the problem. If there is no problem in shifting the day, I wonder why it should not be. I don't want to miss being with children on Sunday. If student community feels so strong about ILUGC meet, let us restart vidyashram sessions and have them on Sundays. But from our past experience, I am not very hopeful about student support for more than a week or two. +1. IIRC, the same questions were raised time and again in the past, even once by me when I was in the college. Well, considering a majority of usual attendees of LUG meets are people who are working, they would like to spend their Sundays with their family and for attending a LUG meet they have to spend their entire Sunday afternoon + evening out. Hence LUG meets are conducted on Saturday afternoon, hoping that people would at least be able to get a half-saturday once in a month. For students communities there are few alternative solutions to this, [1] Convince your college and get the Saturdays when LUG meets are there as half working days. [2] Convince your college and organize LUG meets in your college, provided all similar facilities and freedom available in our current venue is made available. [3] Start your own LUG in your college and have LUG meets on Sunday. May be few from ilugc can also participate in your meets. IMHO, IITM has been the most favorable and least problematic venue that has been working for us for a long time and nothing matches the campus, making every visit an experience and few hours of freedom from the hustle and bustle outside :) -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] IRC chat room?
Santosh wrote: Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Saturday 13 Dec 2008 3:41:04 pm Santosh wrote: Do we have IRC for ilugc? no Will it be useful if we create one on freenode or such? It will be very useful to the newbies who may have several doubts and issues regarding using Linux, but how far is it useful for the rest of us, I am not able to guess. Well, there exists one #ilugchennai in irc.freenode.net server which was created somewhere around 2004. But it is barely used and hence been lying there abandoned. So far, ##linux-india had been one place we all have been interacting, though a few other LUGs do have their own channels (excluding ilugd, ilugb and glugbom). -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email ilugc-requ...@ae.iitm.ac.in with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc][OT] Employee Agreement of a FOSS company
Vamsee Kanakala wrote: Dhakshina Moorthy K.M. wrote: 4. Emp - Emp relations, is like a Man seeking a woman to produce babies. What the Man does with the babies is upto him. Whether he puts him in the Army - open source ,(or) put him in the family business - closed source (or) put him in the top 10 mnc and make money( part open source) is upto the Employer-company. Business models need not come in the picture of NDA. The analogy is kinda ridiculous +1. So you mean to say the Father (or Man, however you keep) can do whatever he wants with the baby (or the child, as it grows) and the Mother has no say in it. In this case, it obviously restricts the freedom of both Mother (as she has more things to do with getting the child out alive and living) as well as the Baby itself (yes, every born human on earth has some fundamental freedom and rights). Keeping in terms of your analogy, we shouldn't mind if someone takes their baby and crushes is putting under a lorry, and not oppose it because it's his baby. (Whoa, long live your humanity). -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Reg:: Yelp Yelp !! with KDE 3.5 on Intrepid
Arun Khan wrote: On Wednesday 05 Nov 2008, Swati Longia wrote: Intrepid by default comes with KDE 4, although I love KDE, but KDE4 is absolutely unacceptable. I was not too enthused with the KDE 4.x in Ubuntu 8.04 and openSUSE 11.0. However, first looks of Mandriva 2009.0 (DVD bundled with Linux For You Nov/08) with KDE 4.1.2 is quite impressive. Well, Kubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex comes with KDE 4.1.2 and has upgrade for it (KDE 4.1.3) -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu8.10-Will it take 8.04 DVD as source?
SRIKANTH NS wrote: Hi All, I have a slightly quirky question. I just now downloaded 8.10 CD image and burnt it to a CD. I have the DVD of 8.04 which contains so many additional applicaions not found in the default CD. My question is this: If i install Ubuntu 8.10 with the CD and the system is running. Now if i include the 8.04 DVD in the apt - sources.list , will it take that as a valid source and install applications from the DVD? I am going ahead with the idea that I do not need the bleeding edge software of 8.10 and am quite happy with the other multimedia and miscellaneous software from the earlier distro. Or will it conflict? I assume GNU/Linux will have backward compatibility but I just want confirmation from experts in this forum. It's a pretty bad idea to do that as things might have changed a lot between 2 releases, especially the dependent libraries and sometimes kernel changes as well. It might work without problems rarely, or with some problem here and there though the software remains mostly usable, but nothing is guaranteed to work and more importantly, if anything breaks due to this you can't even rant about it anywhere or file a bug. On another note, Backward compatibility means that the files or data you created or used with an earlier version continues to be valid and usable with the current or improved version. For example, it means your site is still viewable with the browser, you documents can still be opened and edited with the same office application, etc. It doesn't mean your bizare combination of newer software will work with the older libraries or vise versa. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] PPoE frequent disconnection
Sivakumar Gopalan wrote: I am using the same BSNL connection without a single second of disconnection in the past three months. I am not trying to complain about BSNL, I have had stable connection with them in the past. But in the recent few days particularly after the rain I get frequent disconnects. BTW, I am staying near KK Nagar and the other colleague stays in choolaimedu which comes under the same division(Kodambakkam). I am in Virugambakkam (Vembuliamman Koil Exchange) and I also come under the same Kodambakkam division. So, the problem is attributed to one division? Hmm. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] new LUG in Bengaluru
Srinivasan Sundararajan wrote: On 10/17/08, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, for those luggies who are in Bengaluru: http://groups.google.com/group/ilug-bengaluru/ I am visiting KLES's College of Engg., Technology, Belgaum next week to give a talk on FOSS and discuss about their FOSS activities. They are keen on FOSS training workshops (for students and staff), projects, etc. Would like to put them in touch with LUG / FOSS community members who could help them. Bangalore LUG group might be ideal. Cotacts from others are also welcome The ILUG-Bangalore is as of now an enthusiasts and discussion group and we are pretty new to get involved in such things. It would be a better idea to involve FSUG Bangalore in this as they have more physical presence and have been quite involved with academic community in Bangalore. I will cross post this into FSUG list. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hi from padhu
பத்மநாதன் wrote: Sir, How are you? are you have 'classic shell scripting' book written by Arnold Robinson in your library? Please give me to read it. i will return with in a month. Nothing else. Take care. Bye. Padhu, Ooty Eh? Is this a personal mail wrongly sent to the list? If not, kindly forbid from sending these kinda personal looking mails to the list. Thank you. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hi from padhu
Kumar Appaiah wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 01:50:27PM +0530, Parthan SR wrote: are you have 'classic shell scripting' book written by Arnold Robinson in your library? Also, the book is by Arnold Robbins, I presume. He needs a Wren and Martin first, perhaps ;) -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [JOB][OT][Commericial] Job opening for fresher 2008 passed out
varadarajan narayanan wrote: But what java/j2ee has got to do with Linux and ILUGC Ummm? A bit off thread, but just to reply your comment: IMHO, Java/J2EE indeed has a place for discussion in a LUG mailing list as you can also do Java programming and app development in Linux. Indeed a lot of famous FOSS projects use Java. AFAIK, Ubuntu has a separate Java Team to handle Java related packages in Ubuntu. Do not confuse a programming language with an OS (which is a platform for anything from your desktop to watch movies and listen to songs, to a development environment, to a server, to whatnot). It is as permissible in this mailing list to discuss Java/J2EE/JBOSS/JSP development on a GNU/Linux platform as much as Python, Perl or PHP is permitted. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Manpages on the web
Aanjhan R wrote: Just out of curiosity, I remember an Indian who was doing something very similar to this as his/her GSOC project. Just cannot pop up the name of the project nor the person from my mind. If anyone has pointers on this?? It's Ria Das and she did it as a part of GSOC 2007 Ria Das, Jeff Sheltren, Publication of all man and info pages for each release through a web interface I couldn't open the corresponding page in the Fedora Project website and hence not giving the link. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: FOSS.IN/2008: The Omelette Post :)
Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote: To test out all these ideas, we could do a run of this at IMSc, Chennai around early November. Tell me what you think Awesome idea, +1 to join in. But can't we have it around Diwali time because some of us who are out of Chennai might wish to participate and most probably can make use of the holidays to make it to Chennai (or is there any holidays in November?) :) -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Canonical Not Great Contributor
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: the question is this: 1. Ubuntu has patched the kernel, the patch is available in their repositories under GPL and there is nothing to prevent the maintainers of the kernel from pulling in the patches [From Ubuntu Forums, on a similar question about finding Ubuntu specific patches] You can indeed get the kernel patches, by grabbing the source to the linux kernel. So if you want the kernel source to a 686-based kernel, you would type: sudo apt-get source linux-image-2.6.8.1-3-686. This Downloads the source, configs, and patches. The patches can be found in the debian/patches subdirectory of the kernel source directory that gets created upon download. or 2. Ubuntu has patched the kernel and has not made the patches available Indeed all Ubuntu specific patches are available with the Ubuntu Kernel source in the repository and apt-get'able. 3. Ubuntu has only made around a 100 patches to the kernel which they have contributed upstream. The number of patches contributed by Ubuntu Kernel Team to upstream is less and it has been accepted. I also heard from one of the Ubuntu Kernel guys that the patches we do are very less and what Ubuntu Kernel differs from the Linus' is the availability of binary drivers not found in the latter (obviously) in the restricted section. I do not have too much gyan on this, but happen to read this in the response mdz made for Greg's presentation. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [ilugc] Re: Linux Introduction class for ELCOT Laptop users
Shrinivasan T wrote: How to start? It is a wonderful opportunity. We should not waste it. Umm.. If you can get hold of a dozen or two of them, or able to get a list of people who bought them, then ask them to come for a LUG meet or arrange one special LUG meet for this purpose and enlighten them, show them what all options they have and how to use them. Even if 10 people turn up, it's worth an effort. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Canonical Not Great Contributor
Venkatraman S wrote: Now am sure a lightning is gonna strike you and you gonna become green as a toad!! Have you contributed to Ubuntu? or aware of the development/bug-reporting process in Ubuntu? LOL. Am sure you haven't done enough homework to know about the one you're throwing that question at. To let you know of the fact, Manoj contributes to Ubuntu's upstream named Debian and hence not only Ubuntu but a lot of other distributions which are fed by Debian makes use of his contribution. If not, then let me summarize for you : It clearly says that a bug found in upstream can either be fixed by the developer or be passed upstream - and i personally have done this and also know that along with me thousand others do the same. Yes, but what we do in launchpad is we mark an upstream bug to our bug so that we can keep in track of upstream improvements on that bug. This doesn't ensure that when a patch is submitted in LP, it is auto-forwarded to the upstream bug tracker (From what I know about bugs and LP). It needs manual effort in filing the same patch to upstream as well and following it up. A few people do this and what Debian guys here mean is more people should come forward and do this, which is absolutely agreeable. There is also a new feature in LP that helps us to monitor bugs which has some relation with upstream, mostly something which needs to be reported upstream and followed up. A very few triagers have started doing this and it will become more helpful if the downstream patches are also filed upstream. This is an unfortunate situation in the FOSS world - consolidation and cooperation is something that the FOSS world lacks - attacking different schools of development should be refrained from and the best teachings of all schools should be nurtured(as what Kapil referred to) and cultivated. I am waiting for a true-next-generation OS that would be a mix(+advanced) of the present OS'es and give it for free. We have always welcomed the criticisms from Debian and that's something which has been always poking Ubuntu to improve. May be someday we will satisfy them enough :) -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [ilugc] Re: Linux Introduction class for ELCOT Laptop users
Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote: * an IRC channel * a wiki Alternatively, if there are people who are willing to put in the work without intervention from ELCOT then they can start such channels. There is already a registered #ilugchennai channel in irc.freenode.net that none of us use these days. If you people want to use it, feel free to :) -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] GNU/Linux primer
Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote: Hello, On Sun, 28 Sep 2008, shirish wrote: What do you guys think? Do you think I may have missed something? Do you think something could have been put up in a better way? The car analogy is useful for the USA where most people drive a car I am not sure it works elsewhere as well. I don't know what a really appropriate analogy is. Perhaps food/recipes/restaurants or books/libraries/publishers I used to use a simple household analogy - We buy rava from the shop and we can make a lot of things using it, for example upma or kesari. The shopkeeper or the manufacturer of the rava doesn't inflict any restriction on what to do with the rava. Think of a situation if he does so, saying what you can do with the rava and what you can't do. To make thing worse, think if he says that you can not share the upma or kesari you make with your neighbours and friends. This might sound very stupid but the same exists with software as well. But the problem with this analogy is that you have to also bring down a justifiable relation between the role rava plays in your life with the role a software plays with your life. Actually you can live without rava in this world but not without software. In fact software impacts our lives more seriously than what rice or wheat or rava can do. Software, in this modern world, controls our bank accounts, controls medical equipments which save our lives, it is present in everything we use from calculator, to mobile phone, to television, to refrigerator, to automobiles, to security systems, and the list goes. Thus, who controls software we use has more importance. Rather how much we control the software we use is important. ** I developer this analogy based on numerous times I heard Raman speaking on this topic. Perhaps the later half is a bit revised version of what he tells usually ;) -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Students Project - suggestions
Raman.P wrote: Dear luggies Consequent to the interest ILUGC has generated among students, I am getting lot of request for suggesting proects. In some colleges, they have decided out-and-out FOSS based projects. Please suggest projects ideas. So the October season has started. I wait for the day when the season starts with a mail I am interested to do this project and I have the following ideas to go about doing it... Please keep in mind the constraints a. The projects are not fulltime for B.E students b. Most will have only preliminary knowledge - but can pickup fast. c. Should point out resources available on ne Though I tend to say that the students should typically start looking at ToDos, Wishlists and Unresolved open bugs of FOSS projects, get in touch with the contributors/devels and try to put their effort on something which is there and to be made better, I am myself wonder whether their college is going to encourage them to take those as Final Year projects as their definition of such things still remain to be mostly tangled in IEEE papers. If the college permits such endeavours, them as sure that there is enough work to be done for another 3-4 years just from the existing pile of work to be done. Almost every famous project has half a dozen things which new contributors can take up and try it out. There are lots of people in this list itself who are someway or other associated with FOSS projects and would be able to provide the needed feed to much on for a season or two. I know we are tired of asking them to start early, learn the art and the tool, have some plan by the start of the season so they have more clue of what to do during the season. I still remember students who I happen to meet somewhere during the last few days of the year (read December end) when they had 30 days or so left and weren't even having a working Linux distribution running at their boxes. There were some who wanted to do Qt based interface but didn't even have the inclination to go through the Qt tutorials, which were the fact are very good for starters. I hope things have improved since then, but I don't expect it to have completely changed. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] TN Sales tax dept e-filing requires MS!
Arun Venkataswamy wrote: 7. Your computer system must be as window XP or Window 2000 . 9. Office XP or Office 2000 or Office 2003 should be installed in your system . . . We use openoffice and I am sure we can save as an excel file, but what do novice computer users do/think when they see this user guide? AFAIR, they use some macros in the Excel file that is available in their web site. These macros do some calculations once the basic fields are filled with appropriate values. That's why the requirement states Windows and MS Office as requirements. If you are good knowledge of doing calculations yourself on paper or have a dependable CA to help you out with the numbers then you should be able to open the Excel file in OpenOffice, fill in the numbers without using the macros, save it as excel and upload it to their website. I also remember reading that your Form 16 submitted along should be digitally signed. Due to all these complexities, a mere mortal tax payer will prefer spending 200Rs for a CA who does all these work, including filing tax returns and getting you the acknowledgment (let them too make a living ;-). -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] TN Sales tax dept e-filing requires MS!
Parthan SR wrote: AFAIR, they use some macros in the Excel file that is available in their web site. These macros do some calculations once the basic fields are filled with appropriate values. That's why the requirement states Windows and MS Office as requirements. If you are good knowledge of doing calculations yourself on paper or have a dependable CA to help you out with the numbers then you should be able to open the Excel file in OpenOffice, fill in the numbers without using the macros, save it as excel and upload it to their website. I also remember reading that your Form 16 submitted along should be digitally signed. Due to all these complexities, a mere mortal tax payer will prefer spending 200Rs for a CA who does all these work, including filing tax returns and getting you the acknowledgment (let them too make a living ;-). /me smacks himself. Ooops, pardon me. I misread it as IT. But same should hold true to Sales Tax as well. The complex calculations will be done by the macros. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] UBUNTU CUSTOMIZE MENU
PUVANESWARAN T wrote: HI SIR .. GOOD EVENING SIR.. WE ARE USING UBUNTU8.04 OPERATING SYSTEM. NOW I HAVE DOUBT FOR HOW TO HACK UPADE AND UPGRADE . HOW TO REMOVE MENUS AND RIGHT CLICK DISABLE [1] Please do not type in CAPS. It means shouting. [2] What do you mean by HACK? What do you want to do in Ubuntu 8.04? Do you want to customize it and create a customized Ubuntu 8.04 that you can install in other systems? If so, what all do you want to customize? [3] Right click menus are pretty useful. Why do you want to disable them? If still, where do you want to disable them, in the desktop? in the application windows? in the panel? [4] If you are meaning the panel menus [Applications, Places, System] then you can remove them by right clicking on them and then choosing Remove From Panel. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Request for Drupal Book
Krishna Kummar wrote: I need pointers to a bookshop in Chennai where I can get a book on Drupal CMS, I am looking for Pro Drupal Development by John K. VanDyk and Dries Buytaert. You can buy it online from Indiaplaza and it gets delivered within a couple of weeks (usually within a week for me in Bangalore). http://www.indiaplaza.in/books/all/1430209895/all/pro-drupal-development-second-edition.htm Or you can try out other Drupal books as well, http://www.indiaplaza.in/search.aspx?catname=Bookssrchkey=titlesrchVal=Drupal -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Inkjet printer suggestion
Senthil Kumaran S wrote: I am planning to buy an inkjet printer for my personal use (2K-3K). I would like to get some suggestions based on this. The important criteria here is, this printer must work out of the box with Ubuntu 8.04 Desktop, or with Debian Lenny (since those are the only distro I have in my machine). As far as I have tried/used, HP Deskjet printers work out of the box with Ubuntu/Debian. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Recommend suitable Linux OS For Intel Dot Station !
Kapil Hari Paranjape wrote: Basically, the idea is that all the remaining machines are installed in a way like the first one and the installation of these remaining machines is automatic. You can also make use of tools like Clonezilla, which can take a snapshot of your hard disk after you have installed and configured the first machine to meet your requirements. Then just copy this image using Clonezilla to all other harddisks. You might require to do minimum configuration changes and fixes if it doesn't work. This serves wonderfully well if all your computers share similar hardware spec. Also, if you have a backup of your master image safely, even if one of the machine conks off, you can easily get back the machine to starting point with minimal effort. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] 2nd Indian SVN Full-Committer
Bharathi Subramanian wrote: Hi All, Our ILUGC Member Senthil Kumaran S (http://www.stylesen.org/) got the Full-Committer access to SVN code base (http://svn.collab.net/). He is the 51st committer world wide and 2nd Indian full-committer. Other ILUGC member Bhuvaneswaran is also having partial commit access to SVN for a long time. You forgot Kamesh Jayachandran who is a colleague of Bhuvan ;) -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Changing Splash image in Fedora
Nanda Kumar Raghavan, Chennai wrote: META HTTP-EQUIV=Content-Type CONTENT=text/html;charset=iso-8859-1 hi, Can anyone tell me how to change the splash image in fedora =ore... DISCLAIMER: --- We kindly request you not to use your official mail ID for public mailing list, especially if you have a disclaimer one such as yours. Please read your disclaimer once, you'll know why. Hope you understand our concerns. Thanks. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] new user magesh has a problem
umamagesh sadhasivam wrote: iam magesh, recently i to linux ubuntu... iam using 8.04 hardy, and iam not able to play any video though i have install all the codecs and needed players [1] What format of video? [2] Which players? [3] What codecs got installed? Try running the player from command line with the file path as the argument, like 'totem /home/magesh/videos/thevideo.avi' When you try to play a video file which need codecs, Ubuntu asks whether it can install codec if the corresponding format has one and if given yes for the installation, it installs the codec and plays the file. Sometimes it may need to close the player and open it again. i had asked question IRC but no one gave a solution Which channel? #ubuntu? Try #ubuntu-in from next time, which is the channel of the Indian team. when i play a video once i see only a green colour screen on the player sometimes audio also(but only green screen) when i play the video again without closing that green colour player screen the video is seen clear Again which file format and which player? Can you please try doing the above said run command from terminal procedure and show us whatever comes on the screen (Please paste the output from the terminal on to a pastebin like pastebin.com and give the link for the page to us)? -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Women in Free Software Community
senthilraja P wrote: Yes.. its indeed true.. Not even a bit of enthusiasm.. I just tried explaining to my two cousin sisters, all working as lecturers.. All of no use :( Open source needs strategic mindset.. women generally lack that strategic sense.. this is my humble opinion.. Bleh[1]: Please do not top post and please chop off old signatures when you are quoting past mails. Bleh[2]: Open source needs open minds and whoever has it will be successful. There are lots of successful women in FOSS world, especially in area which need creative, patient minds. As far as I am exposed to Ubuntu project, there are lots of women participating in higher levels of managing the project. I also know few womens who are more like brand names in Usability and HCI area, especially in KDE circles. We also have women from India contributing to the Linux kernel project itself. We have lots of Indian women involved in Localization projects. Just because you didn't know any of them till now, please stop from making such statements. Open Source do not consider only writing code as contribution, and we have a hell lot of non-code-writing women contributions. May be the problem was with the lecturing part, which is common with all kids. You have to show them how interesting the contributing to FOSS can get and how they can make a mark without getting into writing code. If you try to teach PHP and MYSQL everytime and to every kid out there, that might not be interesting enough for them. Just my 2 paisas :) -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Urgent help needed
indianathan n wrote: Sir, I think that this is due to restarting the machine having Dual/Triple OS. I experienced this type of crash many time, due to restarting the machine. My experience is, If you having dual OS of Linux, both are share the single swap partitions ( by using auto guided partitioning using large free space in ubuntu installation) and when we restart the machine, change the OS when booting, OS will crash. I used RHEL4 and Ubuntu 7.10. I have tried installing multiple GNU/Linux distributions with a single swap partition, and even with Windows along it. I have never experienced this problem. Please avoid to use Windows with Linux. try to use wine package. I am somehow quite wary on suggesting people to use things over wine. If you want to use it and there is no alternative, you genuine Windows itself. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: [OT] DNS sec issue affects home users
Mohan R wrote: I am using BSNL-chennai broadband, this is the output when I checked with http://www.doxpara.com/. Output: Your name server, at 218.248.255.146, appears vulnerable to DNS Cache Poisoning. All requests came from the following source port: 50741 I tried making use of a public DNS, 4.2.2.2 to be specific, on my Airtel connection. And when I did the same test as above, this is what I got as reply.. *Your name server, at 209.244.7.58, appears to be safe, but make sure the ports listed below aren't following an obvious pattern (:1001, :1002, :1003, or :3, :30020, :30100...).* Requests seen for ff197ae25c2b.toorrr.com: 209.244.7.58:27883 TXID=56524 209.244.7.58:32062 TXID=40930 209.244.7.58:26848 TXID=63501 209.244.7.58:26371 TXID=61102 209.244.7.58:28985 TXID=36123 -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Phoneix Design Contest
Ramanathan Muthaiah wrote: Quoting from the website, PHOENIX: Physics with Homemade Equipment and Innovative Experiments Phoenix is developed using Free Software tools and distributed under GNU GPL. Clarification:: It's not OT!! -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] English Vs Regional languages
benjamin wrote: I've not seen any bus stop names painted in English. You are not insinuating that English is written in Kannada...;) Ok, now you may continue to discuss as the topic is suitable changed :P -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Volunteering - ways and means
sivaji j.g wrote: because the foobar company which recruits the students has got nothing to do with FOSS, obviously he/she will loose interest .Most of job related thread appearing in this mailing list are focusing on experienced guys , this shows that you are not going opportunity to newbies so don't raise this statement again :P If you count the number of FOSS jobs in this mailing list to the number of FOSS jobs appearing in all Indian mailing lists to the actual number of FOSS jobs available through contacts, it's something around 1:5:10. You can get a FOSS job if you are pretty active in the community and have fair amount of contribution (not just in code, participation also counts). How do you think many of us got jobs? I got my first programming job just that I wrote a blog post of basic MYSQl stuff in GNU/Linux and it was useful to someone who was running a startup ;) dont blame him , this is situation of most of the student .they read just to score marks in examation .our formula for mask is mark=subheadings + diagram + presentation . Mark has got nothing to do with concept .Even the student who scores more 90% dont remember / understand any concepts .Even the staff member who correct our papers forcing us to use the examples/diagram given in the prescribed book . We all know that you do your BE just for getting a better job and we also know that till the mass recruiting MNCs exists and continue their current method of recruitment this is not going to change. It's not just enough if you read your prescribed books and score marks, once you are out of the college and on your first job not many care about them. Then, what matters is how much you know and what all you can do? As you have wasted the wonderful years at college, where you neither got your basics right not spend the free time to learn and practice something useful you have nothing much in your hands. He did all those tags, but he could not remember those tags after some time.. This shows that he is not interested . So you remember everything you studied in your 3/4 years of engineering till now? ;) obviously , you are dumping too many things on him .how he can learn HTML , php , database in such a short time ? This is the reason why students treat FOSS as a Alien :P . Dont force them to learn foss rather attract them to your side . He was trying to teach the boy some basics and an initiative, and not trying to make the-best-in-the-city web developer. You should take each of them a day to learn and be comfortable with the basics of each, and the rest of the time you try to apply them and build something, in the process learn more and correct yourselves of things you got wrong or couldn't understand. HTML, PHP and Database is not a big deal at all, mean the basics. Ask him whether he is really interested in learning foss . Install a basic Linux distro like ubuntu ,let him use that for a month or two . Later you can teach about Linux command , xxamp server , mailing list ,forms etc Ok, lemme ask you a question. What do you mean by FOSS and learning FOSS? This is one question is always ask people who speak about FOSS, learning FOSS, FOSS jobs etc. and most of the time they have a pretty absurd definition for them. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Volunteering - ways and means
Raman.P wrote: Dear All Solluthal yarkum eliya, ariyavam solliya vannam seyal It is easy to say, but difficult to do as stated. -Thiruvalluvar Raman.P I was waiting for this... really! ;) -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Volunteering - ways and means
sivaji j.g wrote: irrelevant statement :P . i remember all my favorites subjects because i read them on my own interest . May be. But surely not every head and tail of it. Until unless you keep going through them and put them in practice, even the favorite things vanish from memory. He was not able to remember the tags because he had used them only a few times. He will start remembering things once he starts using them more and more, and deciding that he is not interested just because he can't remember them the very next time is not wise. may be its not a big deal for you ,but for me it took more than three months to learn all these things myself . It takes a day or two to read from somewhere and say Hey, i learnt it. But when you sit and try to implement them, that's when you learn them really (and you also learn you haven't learnt anything much and still have a long way to go). It depends on how much you put things to practice, that much you learn. I took me two days to cover up basic of Python and say am ready. But it took me a year and it's still going on, the learning. well i remember my college staff members , this is what they do , they will start asking questions , if any student happen to suggest something or ask a doubt .Even if the students answers correctly he/she will be tapped somehow .so let me assume that i am tapped in this . A typical mentality of a persona I tend to call a kid, characterized by not taking things with a pinch of salt and assume that what people want is to prove them wrong. What I asked was your personal understanding of the word FOSS and what you replied was some emotional counter-statement. This is a mailing list and wear asbestos protective gear before indulging in a hot topic ;) -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] One Day One GNU/Linux Command (WHO)
Arun Khan wrote: Ubuntu 8.04 (i386) - who am i gives nothing, nada. Executing the command in konsole (kde) as regular user. It does for me.. $ lsb_release -r Release:8.04 $ uname -a Linux garuda 2.6.24-18-generic #1 SMP Wed May 28 20:27:26 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux $ who am i parthan pts/52008-06-16 15:48 (:0.0) $ whoami parthan -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Re: Linux and Tamil
Bharathi Subramanian wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2008, shane vel wrote: i am well known in tamil language and interested in linux in tamil. I want Linux in Tamil Language. As I can't ask him to write in Tamil, rather than English, till he figures out how to do it, lemme at least try to let him know how he could have written the above :) I know Tamil language very well and interested in using GNU/Linux (ok ok, Linux) in Tamil language. I want to use GNU/Linux in Tamil language (though the second statement is redundant, let it be there) HTH :) -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Check out my Facebook profile- Security issues
Akarsh Simha wrote: IMHO, all these 'Social welfare campaigns' supported by Microsoft, by providing free copies of Windows to run on kiosks set up in rural villages are actually monopolizing campaigns to target people who see computers for the first time. 20 years later, when every villager in India will probably have a computer, he'd obviously be inclined to using Windows because that's what he saw first. AFAIK, Microsoft never gives *free* Windows to anyone, even when it donates *technology*. What they do is give *free* hardware, which comes with their proprietary operating system mostly a trial version of 90 days or so, and make them pay for the license afterwards. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ To unsubscribe, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe password address in the subject or body of the message. http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
