Re: [ilugd] dimdim anyone?
Thanks Dhiraj, on sharing your experiences with dimdim. The tip on managing better with around six people is good. I think will try it soon for outstation foss-conferences and events to which i can't travel. The ability to share my desktop and to whiteboard, makes software hands-on seminars and demoes feasible. regards n -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Open Source MIDI Editor/ Sequencer
How to start with foss video editing: your first steps should be with kino. About 90% of personal video-edits can be done with this. grow your skills and start using the video-edit features of blender3d. hth regards n On 9/18/08, Swapnil Bhartiya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 10:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You ask: which software is best for video-editing under foss and gnu/linux? answer: video-edit software like kino, cinerella etc are not as robust,mature,and friendly or professional like fcp, avids, etc. Hence, a few people use the video-edit features of blender3d.but the software looks intimidating. Gaping-hole of pandav-foss: video-compositing, video-edit, non-linear edit, and even dvd-authoring software, that are at par with their proprietary kaurava-siblings. regards niyam Thanks for the kaurava vs pandav thing Niyam. But as long as we have *Saarathi* like RMS, we shouldn't care. But I am still awaiting the name of the software. I had been a professional editor/director for documentary films before joining print. FCP was like walk in park. Now, having migrated to FOSS, I am looking for something stable enough to allow me make a 5 minute short film. Please tell which tool to use with confidence. As you must have used it in your short film project as you mentioned earleir. -- Swapnil Bhartiya http://ybfree.blogspot.com/ Mobile: 09910956518 === I use Free Software, what do you use? === ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Open Source MIDI Editor/ Sequencer
You ask: which software is best for video-editing under foss and gnu/linux? answer: video-edit software like kino, cinerella etc are not as robust,mature,and friendly or professional like fcp, avids, etc. Hence, a few people use the video-edit features of blender3d.but the software looks intimidating. Gaping-hole of pandav-foss: video-compositing, video-edit, non-linear edit, and even dvd-authoring software, that are at par with their proprietary kaurava-siblings. regards niyam -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] The Hindu: Techies protest proprietary standards; seek policy
[snip] just read this news in delhi's edition of the hindu as well. Page 8 of today's newspaper. Next steps: 1. Those interested may clip and post the newspaper cutting on their office and college noticeboards. 2. Ditto for the open letter to TCS, Wipro, Infosys. 3. Publish photos of these on your blogs and on the wikia site of fci. 4. Consider holding a similar candle vigil in delhi, and invite the press. 5. Spread the word around. 6. Windows users: now's a good time to install openoffice export plugins into msoffice. Even better, install and use openoffice.org under windows, and much better: use openoffice.org under gnu/linux. 7. Email the openletter to the 3 companies and anybody else in the odf format. Obviously. add your own recommendations. -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] My dilemma
A windows refund is possible, and your full legal right. Microsoft knows this and honours it. Just that so far in india no one has bothered to exercise it. Also you must ensure you do not install it, or in presence of witnesses click on 'do not accept' or similar, for the end user license agreement. Google to find out more. Regards niyam -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] teeshirts: freed.in, and ilug-d
There are only 10 left. And that's not a 50% drop. Btw, the tees are buried somewhere here, so ask at the registration desk, or dinesh shah N -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] computer teaching compulsory in haryana
Dear kenneth, no = not using or no = don't know? regards n -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] ubuntu feisty roll-forward till oct 2007
Dear jasbir, thanks for your respone and taking your cue promptly subscribed to the ubuntu-in mailing list. i have not opted for dist-upgrade in feisty, just regular maintenance updates. The ones post oct2007 demand more ram, so until then the system is doing a swap dance. I therefore dont want updates beyond oct2007. How do i do that? Niyam -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] ILUG-Delhi meeting on Tue., Dec., 11th, at 5.30 pm.
Yeah! An ilug-d meet on 11dec with danese cooper, post-event sharing of doss.in, look ahead at freed.iN, and more sounds fun. +1 from me. See you guys there. I suppose shirish from pune lug will also be there. Niyam bhushan -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod
Hi sandip, i thought you wanted to meet me at foss.in? Have been looking for you, and now within another 4 hours the event is over. There were some interesting talks here on foss audio, and quite a few people from ilug-d (except msn, who's gone missing) niyam -- niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] ubuntu feisty linux to nokia E61i bluetooth
On 11/25/07, Anand Shankar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try various binaries OR the LiveCD at http://www.kmobiletools.org/ Downloaded and booted with the live cd of kmobiletools. version 0.5 beta 3. this is buggy and crashes. could not detect my mobile phone. in fact, no bluetooth device found. a) clicking on the grey Kbluetooth icon leads to the error the process for the bluetooth protocol died unexpectedly. b) launching the kmobiletools shortcut leads to a wizard that first wants the bluetooth mobilephone connected. so looks like this won't really work. what next? niyam bhushan ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22/23, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Linux PDA mailing list
yabadaba doo! thank god someone woke up to the *sense* of having a dedicated mailing list for handheld devices, including cellphones. i raised this topic about two weeks ago, only to have a ballistic tarun dua pooh!pooh! the idea. drat! it has taken more than 25 years for india to have a modest 10 million pcs in india. don't even do the math on how many have gnulinux installed on desktop pcs. [my wild wild exaggerated guess: 200,000 to 500,000] but less than 10 years, india has 30 million cellphones alone, not counting pda and handhelds. the two growing operating systems on these: symbian, and gnulinux. overt time, gnulinux is supposed to take over the market, according to most industry experts. but, even on symbian, you can get gnu software, as in, muft and mukt software. the number of software apps available on these platforms is growing. all these devices have to talk with desktops. we use gnulinux desktops. issues of connectivity, kernel support, stacks, protocols, client-end software, remote logins... heck! loads of things can be discussed and shared. yes, we need a dedicated mailing list. i can forsee resources shared too, such as free *.sis files (for symbian) and themes, ringing tones, etc. and of course, growing list of software. also, stuff like gprs, infrared, 802.11 support, and other stuff, is beginning to matter. why? because suddenly enterprise has discovered in the world of long-commute times and distances, the handheld cellphone is the best bet for keep the mobile workforce connected to the enterprise. google on this amazing new phenomenon. other handhelds, such as psion, palm, even iPaq, blueberry, etc., may be discussed, if these are relevant to gnulinux. the industry also estimates that over time a new slew of handheld devices (which are not cellphones) and which may use gnulinux and/or gnu software could debut. these devices could be home sterero devices, home entertainment devices, and other types... so, let's start! :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] black tongue blue tooth
dear all, bhaskie's call on bluetooth for nokia 6600 is meaningful. i just bought the same toy about 10 days ago. still haven't bought an blutooth device, since i wanted to hear from you guys on what works under gnuLinux. and how. also, would be happy if the cognescenti among you could provide tips on the following: 1) i have an airtel pre-paid and am considering my options. is gprs worth it? what speeds do you get? should i move from airtel to another provider, or to a post-paid connection? what is the QoS? what are the new, existing costs? what do you typically use gprs for, on your handheld? 2) have you discovered any gpl (muft and mukt) software for symbian 60? do you use any of these? 3) any hacks so far, for runnnig gnulinux on the nokia 6600. [i know this is a dream-question. but nokia does not seem to understand the value of gnulinux on a mobile instrument for the moment, and its OS approach on its hardware, is like Apple's approach to its own OS on its own hardware two decades ago...] 4) any interesting freeware, shareware, for the symbian 60? 5) anybody used that new gizmo, the digital pen, with the nokia 6600. 6) how is the printer support, over blutooth, over cups or whatever, over gnulinux, to print from the cellphone to the printer, or directly to the printer? which printer do you use? 7) given the questions, and the ongoing saga of search and deploy for gpl that i see happening, do you think a blog or a wiki, started by bhaskie or others, is a good idea, for symbian 60 and 90 users in delhi/india who wish to use gnulinux and muft and mukt software on their new toys? looking forward to your responses. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] spectranet dsl users on list?
are there any spectranet dsl users on this list? ? LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] A new file uploaded at ILUG-D site
There is a new file uploaded at ILUG-D site and here are the details: Uploaded filename: scribusTutorial.tar.gz Size: 2967987 bytes Comments: Get Started With Scribus: Opensource Desktop Publishing. For the newbie to both graphic design, and gnuLinux. This *.tar.gz contains the pdf and the openoffice file of the actual tutorial. Please also download the sample magazine design created in scribus: FYug, also from downloads. Optional: A separate tar of all screenshots also available here. Everything Published under FDL. And, the link is [ http://www.linux-delhi.org/ilugd/../cgi-bin/ilugd/download.cgi?action=downloads ] Thanks, Linuxlingam -- This email is brought to you by http://www.linux-delhi.org/ , India Linux Users Group - Delhi. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] A new file uploaded at ILUG-D site
There is a new file uploaded at ILUG-D site and here are the details: Uploaded filename: FYugFnl.tar.gz Size: 918088 bytes Comments: Get Started With Scribus. FYug: Sample magazine designed in opensource desktop publishing software. Contains native scribus file and pdf version. Use with 'ScribusTutorial.tar.gz' also available here. Text, images, design, published under FDL. And, the link is [ http://www.linux-delhi.org/ilugd/../cgi-bin/ilugd/download.cgi?action=downloads ] Thanks, Linuxlingam -- This email is brought to you by http://www.linux-delhi.org/ , India Linux Users Group - Delhi. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] A new file uploaded at ILUG-D site
There is a new file uploaded at ILUG-D site and here are the details: Uploaded filename: ScribusScreenshotz.tar.gz Size: 1516069 bytes Comments: Get Started With Scribus. This tar.gz contains all the screenshots (*.gif and *.jpg) used to create the actual tutorial that was written in OpenOffice. Use if you wish to re-purpose this for a website or other media or any other use. Published under FDL. And, the link is [ http://www.linux-delhi.org/ilugd/../cgi-bin/ilugd/download.cgi?action=downloads ] Thanks, Linuxlingam -- This email is brought to you by http://www.linux-delhi.org/ , India Linux Users Group - Delhi. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] PlayFair: what's happening
hey! the playfair controversy refuses to blow away. a heck lot is happening even as you read this email. there's something called the FSF-WG (the free software foundation: working group) this discussion is most active there, with responses from richard stallman (founder, fsf), eben moglen (professor of law, columbia university), george kurien (indian law expert) and lots more. also heard that deeproot linux has decided to host it on their site. yesterday the author of DeDRM that 'opens' playfair published the code freely on the net, and meanwhile, a lot of international press has been fed regular updates on this. what is mentioned here is the tip of the iceberg. lots more happeing. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [Fwd: Looking for Linux training institute
On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 16:50, Sudeep Sharma wrote: [snip] Note: i dont want to be a** getting fire in the institute so plz try not to mention my namethanks you just sent your name and details on a public mailing list with perhaps thousands of subscribers, in delhi. did i mention the list *may* have several lurkers from the instt you mention? best of luck, and kishore would like to take closeup shots of the fire for posterity's sake... :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] playfair like in teeshirts?
this at slashdot Jon Lech Johansen, who [0]reverse engineered FairPlay back in January, and wrote the decryption code that was later used by an anonymous developer to create the [1]playfair utility, has released a similar utility: [2]DeDRMS. It's only 230 lines. T-shirts anyone? Links 0. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/01/05/itunes_drm_cracked_wide_open/ 1. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/16/1358215tid=107 2. http://nanocrew.net/software/DeDRMS/DeDRMS-0.1/DeDRMS.cs ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] islamabad to train 4000 govt officials in FLOSS
IT ministry to train 4000 Govt. servants, others in Open Source software http://newsvac.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/04/25/1414247 ISLAMABAD: Federal Ministry for Information Technology has launched a pilot project at a cost of Rs. 37 million for the training of government servants and private individuals on Open Source software. *** yup! :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] 20,000 users in kerala schools
from fred's email: THREE CHEERS TO KERALA: This input is from linux_schools at yahoo.com (Herald), who writes: Kerala is leading in Free/Libre and Open Source Software front. 200 schools multiplied by 100 students on an average gives 20 thousand GNU/Linux users. Children are very curious and fast in experimenting and learning new things. When they go home and talk about it, the elders also will be automatically interested in checking what this software is. Similarly the Engineering students will start getting interest in Free Softwares In Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh there are only the private schools to harvest as the government ones have been captured by Microsoft. Check http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/linux_schools/ MAHESH T PAI added earlier: About 200 schools in Malappuram district installed GNU/Linux. The driving force behind this initiative, AFAIK, is one Mr. Sujeevan P, of an organisation called IIRC, S2S2. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Minutes of ILUD April 18,2004 meeting
an interruption is the first sign to me that my audience is awake. :-), therefore it is always welcome. a speaker in command of the audience can choose to answer a query through interruption immediately, or politely explain he/she would like to take it up at the end of the session, and make a mental note of it, or put it on the whiteboard. it's that simple. interrupt more and let the speaker know you are awake. interrupt and let them know you are being bored on your precious weekend. the final response rests with the speaker and deft tacking and handling improves presentations. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [Fwd: ILUG-D: Contact Us]
On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 10:16, komal wrote: Corel draw is itself available under linux. I don't know where and how you can get it, but it is available for linux. -LinuxLala snip Care to provide at least one link? Even search on Corel website didn't show single match. In fact I am thinking to develop Live CD based on Knoppix with ALL freely available graphic( a.k.a DTP) software,multi-lingual fonts,clipart,document,short tutorials.Any suggestions ? Komal coreldraw *was* available circa 2000. then corel had financial and business problems, M$ invested in them, circa 2001, then a few weeks/months ago m$ disinvested. meanwhile coreldraw for linux just disappeared, just like wordperfect for linux. summary: no coreldraw for linux. no need either. try sodipodi, sketch, inkscape. komal, live cd great idea. i created one such thingie about 1 year ago, called it gnu grafix but it wasn't live at that time. all the software are outdated today, and some new ones have come around. this can be a great cd. i have done enough research past 2 to 3 years on this to provide you with a few tips and suggestions. but, why do this over this mailng list? can you start a wiki, or even better, a sourceforge project, where people can contribute and suggest, just like the other cds? that's the best way of doing this, because exactly 7 weeks after you do the cd, it will be outdated. i've been noting the rapid development phase of these projects too. you are also forgetting stuff like music, video, 3d and more, that people require on this cd. over to you, before i keep blabbering. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [Fwd: ILUG-D: Contact Us]
On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 02:46, Shashank Sharma wrote: I feel that a wiki or a sourceforge requires too much of planning. So, even though I agree that it is a great idea, I think you(komal) should get your thoughts together and work things out acoordingly. I think that you should just do a live cd for now and think about the sourceforge thing, which would include music, video, 3d etc. It would really need a community effort to get this going. -LinuxLala so, lallaji, even butter idea (!) why don't you request our friends at LFY to create a live graphicDesign cd with LFY. this way, it reaches more people, does more, and will be a great value-add for them. reaching news-stands and streets across india is butter than a lot of effort at linux delhi for just our mailing list guys who can download specific source or binaries anyways? also, pcqlinux2k4 ships with scribus, (though an old version) and with vlc, cinerella, gimp, and i think even sodipodi else sodipodi is just a 1mb or so download. i assume fedora does too. so exactly what would be the benefit of this cd? i know knoppix ships with the graphics apps, too. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [Fwd: ILUG-D: Contact Us]
On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 02:05, komal wrote: Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message from Sunil Kumar: Sir, I want to know about the substitutes of Coral Draw ,Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Pagemaker for LINUX platform And where are they available in delhi. Please reply soon as i had to install the tommorow. I am really in need. -- GIMP,Scribus but no substitute of COREL Draw as far as know available in Linux. Komal sodipodi for vector illustration. a tutorial on it in linux-delhi.org in downloads area available. usually, install a bunch of vector software, like sketch, inkscape, as well. hope this helps LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] flash mob computing !
On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 09:23, vivek khurana wrote: --- linuxlingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: who said flash mob computing is fizzling itself out? [snip] Thank god you guyz disscussed it after i left. BTW what was stopping you from discussing it while me and shejar were around?? Well here is the outcome of our sunday morning adventure. [snip] great. so this weekend more stuff is to happen on RD of this stuff. you guys can read vivek's summary, and volunteer how to help thru the week, too guys. so when we meet this weekend, we have something in our hands. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] flash mob computing !
On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 09:28, vivek khurana wrote: --- linuxlingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: grrr someone else pick it up. [snip] anyone else could volunteer on this please? am busy with the apple sarovar thingie, and with a few other projects, like tutorials for free graphic design software, etc :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] what does fairplay do, btw
from a reader's post at slashdot DO you even know what PlayFair does? It does not crack Apple's DRM. It still requires you to purchase the song and then it will strip the DRM using valid keys. This is no different then what is allowed by Apple's DRM now. You can purchase a song and burn a music CD and then rip the CD to a non-DRMed format. Why should an end-user who paid for a song have to go through the process of burning and ripping to get thier non-DRMed song when they can use this program? I know, because Apple doesn't what any end user to shift the format from AAC to say MP3. That would allow an end-user to actually exercise choice and purchase a portable music player other then Apple's iPOD. LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] The EFF Patent Busting Project
On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 04:44, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: [ When is EFF opening up an India branch so that we can help support them on these initiatives? - Sandip ] http://www.eff.org/Patent/ if you go thru the mail archives, you will see i posted a request to start ef in india or something similar, about a few months ago. i also wrote to eff directly. so the answer to your question: as soon as YOU open it. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [OT] Sarovar, Fairplay, Apple
great to see the number of 'experts' on cyber laws voicing their 'expert' 'analysis' on this topic. i thought we'd do something meaningful, doable, about this. Self-whisper from The Matrix: Focus, Trinity! :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] flash mob computing !
who said flash mob computing is fizzling itself out? here's the latest status: 1) kishore makes a pragmatic suggestion: choose a location where we have existing dozens of pc with infrastructure like power, backup, ac, network, etc. we had volunteers here devoting their sites. kishore recommends use one of these sites to showcase a flash mob supercomputer. even if it is of 50 nodes, or 100 nodes, it is a proof-of-concept. perhaps in the second or third attempt we could break a national or other record. perhaps in the hundredth. kishore knows. once upon a time, he was a car rally freak. participating and finishing is important. 2) raj stumps everyone with his 21 unanswerable questions. solution: ignore his questions and get on with the flashmob computing, as per kishore's suggestion. a scaled-down, initial flash-mob recce is better than no flashmob computer. simple. some tests done by flashmobbers showed problems in the nodes actually 'subtracting' rather than 'adding' computing power. unfortunately, vivek khurana, on whose shoulders the history of this moment is to rest, was missing during this discussion. so we could have discussed alternatives. i believe we could attempt this with another live distro, or contact the flashmob supercomputing list to find out what is happening. please, let's have a list of volunteered sites for the flashmob event. let's do a sample test of this using bootable cds on-location. even a two-node cluster would do. vivek, you can best coordinate this, as you are completely clued in to the intiative, and tell us how do we proceed. :-) LL (flasher in the mob) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] KDE+GNOME+Enlightenment+TWM
On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 06:09, Raj Mathur wrote: You need to enable GDM (or whatever Display Manager you're using) on multiple X sessions. Then you can start one X session with KDE, another with Gnome, etc. For gdm, edit /etc/X11/gdm/gdm.conf and uncomment the line near the bottom that reads: #1=Standard done. works. thanks. service gdm restart and you're done -- you have GDM logins on ctrl-alt-f7 and ctrl-alt-f8. I presume that I don't have to detail how to start a KDE login session or a Gnome login session by clicking on the Session button and selecting the appropriate session type :) thanks for this tip. us mac users are born morons. am a bit confused here. the logitech mouse on my amd here has two buttons, one on the left, and one on the right. it also has an awkward button that rotates on its axes like a wheel, entrenched between these two buttons. i gingerly hold the mouse with my thumb and my little finger, using the palm to move it around. when i come to the sessions icon, am confused. which button should i press? left, right, wheel? two fo them, three of them? isn't linux intuitive? if i hover over the icon, won't it understand and press it for me? BTW, this is generally replicable, so if you want more sessions add more lines of the form 2=Standard, 3=Standard, etc. notice it shows some speed drag. but this has sufficient ram. unless swap space is being used heavily. hmmm :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] slashdot sarovar
dear raj, i assume you made good friends with slashdot's editor, roblimo. could you send him an email on the sarovar controversy? ? LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] flash mob computing !
On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 02:27, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: I have a suggestion. Why dont you folks go to http://lap.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin/view/Main/WebHome and start off a page on the flahmob supercomputing status,] LL, why dont you start out the top level page for the project, er.. you mean vivek. he coordinates this. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Open Source Software:-
On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 07:08, Arun Kumar.A,delhi wrote: Hi all, Can anyone provide a single session lecture on Open Source Software.This is for a few group. Kindly advice. regards, ARUN KUMAR.A i can bark on it for a couple of hours before my throat is slaked. what do you want? what audience? what topic? where? :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] only one reason
On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 13:43, R.Vijayaraghavan wrote: I use WinXP only for one reason, downloading huge files which weigh more than, say, 100MB. I have switched over to OOo from MS Office, switched over to Firebird from IE, switched over to Tunderbird from OE ( i'm which step, LL ), thats only when I work in WinXP (I most of the time work in gnulinux). Step I of seven steps to software samadhi. :-) I just need a good download manager for linux. i noticed the download manager of mozilla is pretty good though. i haven't tried it under windoze since don't use windoze anymore. and that's pretty scary sometimes. i mean, can you imagine, people think i'm some computer guy, until i start fumbling with their windoze pc like some clueless idiot these days. :-) i'd rather be a clueless idiot on other people's windoze, than a well-informed digital slave with basic, digital rights relinquished. LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] only one reason
On Sun, 2004-04-18 at 17:08, R.Vijayaraghavan wrote: the progress bar came near the 80% mark and suddenly, d4x got stuck. i waited for 20 mins, then had to kill it. tried to restart it, and wow, it never woke up. those were 7.3 days and from that day, never tried to download a file in linux. that was a 280 MB, i guess. h! so you wanna do a download under linux. assuming its some software, everybody on the list here can tell you to use apt-get or sudev can recommend synaptic, and that'll solve most other problems too :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] april ilug-d meet
twelve hot chocolate fudges at nirula's ice-cream parlour. sirtaj, the famous KDE developer, had two. all this after a delicious chinese dinner at Yo! China at Priya Complex, in vasant vihar. which was what the partying gang at linux-delhi headed to, after hungrily devouring some hot and spicy momos at the open-air stall outside, at the promenade. mayank and the LFY team had also organized chilled Cokes for the parched iluggers at the meet in okhla. i think more than 35 showed up for the meet. many got their Linux-Delhi tee-shirts. yeaah! ankur dazzled everyone with his super-sleek, super-sexy Dell laptop. raj mathur had some eye-candy on his laptop too, that was rather inspiring in the lazy, afternoon heat... and i won't even mention the eye-candy sandip savoured at nirula's... so why did you miss the meet? you thought we were some born-losers who had nothing better to do than talk bone-cut dry geek yack? you're mistaken! we've been having some really juicy, clubby, kick-ass meets that are great excuses to party. and the newbies especially love the burst of energy, enthusiasm, and bonding they receive from delhi's LUGers. example: anindya sen, arrived in delhi about six months ago from calcutta. new, bewildering city. new job. drops in at the ilug-d meet today, and drops home by late evening, after having made dozens of new friends and contacts, with similar outlooks and tastes. see you next month, 16th May, unless you wanna spend another sunday, sitting bored at home, watching lousy reruns on telly or hiding eternally behind that photon-spitting monitor. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] KDE+GNOME+Enlightenment+TWM
dear all, remember reading a few daze ago, about what commands and configurations to alter, so i can have KDE on F7, gnome on F8, and other desktop logins on other keys. been thru gmane archives, thru google, but can't seem to locate that reference. not in my mozilla bookmarks either. anybody knows/can point me, to how to achieve this? ?? LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] mouse to speaker buzzing sound
dear all, a few months ago i mentioned an irritating problem: everytime i moved my mouse, it created some electrical-interference-related noise in my speakers. i googled, asked lists, tweaked, fasted, prayed, but the problem did not go away. :-) installed fedora, and it disappeared. just fyi. moral: if you have a problem under gnulinux, it will disappear within a few weeks anyway. just keep updating. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] mouse to speaker buzzing sound
On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 00:27, Avinesh Bangar wrote: Were your speakers really close to your mouse cable? We have similar issues here at our office. Whenever a cell phone within close proximity to a PC and speakers/headphones rings, you can hear the speakers buzzing/hear buzzing in your headphones. Electromagnetic induction.. grrr. Of course, all the electronic devices (here in CAN/US) come with a FCC warning.. 'Must accept any interference received' :-| [1]. [1] http://www.fcc.gov/oet/faqs/eadfaqs.html Regards, Avinesh nah! avinesh, EMI is what i initially thought too. but one day, this engineer walked in and showed me it wasnt happening with other OSes and other releases on the same PC. that's when it dawned on me some bizarre stuff is happening with redhat8, and i can't remember if it happend with redhat7.3 when i installed fedora (pcqlk24) it disappeared. strange are the ways of the tux with other animal spirits. like the mouse. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] deb cds and t shirt
scrch! did someone say tea shirts?!!! all be aware: vivek has the ilug-d teeshirts. his only problem is commuting with them to the meet (buses, metro,inconvenient). so have told him to catch a cab or a scootie, and just have the expense refunded from the voluntary collection of funds from the meet. simple. get your tee shirts. those who disagree, please make arrangments for vivek khurana to bring teeshirts to meet. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] generate background
eyecandy lovers: Generate Background 1.0.2 http://freshmeat.net/releases/157423/ Generate Background is a random wallpaper selector that chooses wallpapers from a directory. It is useful for changing wallpapers automatically each time X is restarted. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] linux kernel uner windoze
http://www.colinux.org/ is a project by a 21-yr old israeli student with japanese collaborators. colinux runs the linux kernel under windoze xp and 2k. bye bye vmware, this is gpl. check out the screenshots. native linux apps run under windoze. not like cygwin. looks like 7steps2softwaresamadhi needs a much-needed update :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] april 18th meet
at 2pm, EFY, okhla. tarun, final age andaa ? final speekars? for newbies: demo of eye-candy / redhat vs debian / debian install. tarun to confirm the aspect for newbies jaldi karo, teen din bachey hai. mary, kya aap aayengee? :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] [x-posted]Re: [FSF-WG] Bill Gates quote
forwarded without prejudice: On Sat, 2004-04-10 at 04:14, Richard Stallman wrote: This quote could be useful. [snip] On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 10:57:27AM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: We could draw a cartoon of Gates handing gratis packs of Microsoft Windows (looking like cigarette packs) to a poor Indian teacher, saying, Now your students can get hooked before they grow up! (This is a real Microsoft tactic in India and probably elsewhere.) I'm sure you've read this before, but it seems relevant: Although about three million computers get sold every year in China, people don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though. And as long as they're going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade. Bill Gates, Address to UW Quoted on July 20, 1998 in Fortune Magazine --- End of forwarded message --- would be nice if the indian press publishes this quote. LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Two things
On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 17:39, vivek khurana wrote: --- Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Nishikant, Nishi == Nishikant Kapoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Only the pre-flashmob meet has been decided so far, will add it to event list. We do have a scheduled meeting on 18th April 2004 at EFY Okhla. yes, there IS a linux-delhi meet on the third sunday of this month, i.e. april 18th!!! tarun dua, please post the final agenda and speakers etc. Ther seems to be a confusion of supercomputing meet being conducted this month. I don't think we can do it this month. vivek, the supercomputing coordinators/volunteers are meeting on 11th april at raj's index.html to discuss this. the actual supercomputing event dates and time will be announced subsequently, whether this month end or next month or whenever. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Two things
On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 09:47, Raj Mathur wrote:
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Nishi b} I have had someone ask me if we would be willing to run
Nishi his banner at ILUG-D site.[snip]
My first reaction also was No, but thinking about it a bit more, why
don't we see if the following is possible:
Have someone new sponsor the monthly ILUGD Meet each month. Define
what resources they would have to provide. Have their banner run for
the duration of that month.
Of course, even if we agree that this is doable we'd still need to do
tons of work in terms of both policy and logistics before we could
implement it, but how does it sounds in principle? Please feel free
to flame if you feel that this is $stupid_idea('2004') :)
Regards,
- -- Raju
we hack out a policy, as part of the agenda of the next meet. discussions begin on the
mailing list immediately, on a new thread.
the policy is publicly hosted on the linux delhi site.
sponsors interested can contact further.
time-frame is not important. whether it is for a month or a day or a year. whether
exclusive or non-exclusive. many more aspects to this. i remember we once had a TOI
person at our meet, who gave a talk on disruptive technologies. would he be interested
to help form this policy for us?
??
LL
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Re: [ilugd] Problem Starting KMouth
On Sat, 2004-04-10 at 13:54, Raj Shekhar wrote: Kunal Singhal (Linux) wrote: I did a full installation of PCQLinux 2004. It comes bundled with a text-to-speesh software KMouth. When I run it from the command line, it quits with th error Segmentation Fault Seems like the RPM needs some libraries that are not on your system. I would suggest that you get the SRPM for KMouth and build that for your system. Note: You can get source and compile them too ... but do not do this. You rpm database would have problems later. i've noticed a couple of problems with installed packages under pcqlinux2k4 too. finally, i just gave up, uninstalled the packages, and downloaded and did a fresh install of those packages. they worked. apparantly, the problems could have been caused by something called 'pre-link' ... LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Now the Only Way Microsoft Can Die is by Suicide
On Sun, 2004-04-11 at 00:57, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: While articles of this guy generally contain sweeping jumps to conclusions sometimes...this time I am in quite an agreement with him. If LL would remember, I have been predicting something big about to hit the software world soon, and people will never know till it hits them. btw, sandip has gained some startling insights into the computing industry which he's been randomly discussing with me. i wish he would give a small talk on this, at a forthcoming meet. is this april 18th meet possible to hear your perls of wisdom on java? (ouch!) It is time for all FLOSS based people to sit up and notice how things are going to change in the coming years, and how we should be preparing for it! please tell us how. - Sandip you know, i would like to take all this with a pinch of silicon. remember how everyone balked at steve jobs kissing the ring on billG's finger in 1997? everyone thought the apple/win fights were over. turned out that just within a few years, apple struck back with new markets, new strategies, new products, new services, that even as a niche player, it made significant dents in the universe, and m$ is playing catchup again. so far, m$ or others cannot match iTunes store, or iPod, never mind atleast my personal views on these two. quicktime is quite mature. apple of all people has made the browser market hot again, with support for konqueror, and supporting some FLOSS projects. similarly, i incorrectly predicted in an article a few years ago, dire times for adobe with m$ purchasing corel. nothing happened. not even a blip. despite IE, netscape as mozilla is hot, too. look at the bright side: m$ needs sun. yes, they need sun to compete with them, to rival them, so they can't let sun finish itself off, even if they wish that real hard. and sun will gladly respond and start competing and fighting again. this is the bizarre way this industry works. heck! after heckling ibm for decades, apple went to ibm after dropping motorola 680x0, for the powerpc consortium. the simplistic conclusions of this much maturer industry are usually wrong. and i hope i am wrong too in all i'm saying here. life must always be bigger and full of surprises. let the mind analyze and do its thing. despite all the armchair predictions and leading experts of 40 years, the berlin wall just came down one day. by individuals. peacefully. and i have sincerely stopped all wishes and reactions against m$. they can't, won't, and shouldn't vanish. i hope they turn kinder, gentler. i know they will eventually turn GPL or use a similar freedom-oriented license, since it makes real business sense and strategy. monsters turn into mother teresa overnight in this industry. remember at one time, decades ago, ibm was the microsoft of the industry. today they take out wonderful ads of linux on prime time and do amazing and ethical things. so this email should really be titled: m$ can only die as a caterpillar, and be born as a butterfly. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Now the Only Way Microsoft Can Die is by Suicide
On Sun, 2004-04-11 at 03:13, Eswar wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- look at the bright side: m$ needs sun. yes, they need sun to compete with them, to rival them, so they can't let sun finish itself off, even if they wish that real hard. and sun will gladly respond and start competing and fighting again. this is the bizarre way this industry works. MATRIX.[Smit finish neoSmit Dies!] nope, eswar, matrix is fast becoming a tired cliche anyways. truth is always greater than fiction. LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] mozilla 1.4.1 bug
under previous versions of mozilla, i could drag+drop urls to the taskbar and make one-click buttons out of them. in mozilla 1.4.1 when i drag and drop urls to the taskbar, they don't embed. any idea how to get this going? ? LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] [x-posted] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly supercomputer
dear linux users across india, looks like ilug-delhi is rolling with plans to build a flash mob supercomputer sometime this month or next month. people will be invited to bring in their pcs, whether linux or windoze boxes, and plug it into a high-speed LAN. a bootable live distro of gnulinux that allows clustering, will be used to boot the pcs and make them into nodes. our first, on-the-fly, supercomputer. this event will doubtlessly make news, and make history. more details about this can be found on the linux-delhi mailing list ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ would be really exciting if Linux User Groups across india also get into building flashmobsupercomputers in their areas. let's start this race. 1) which ilug is the first to make the flash mob supercomputer 2) who builds the fastest 3) who has the largest number of nodes. 4) how would these compare to india's fastest supercomputers? this will be so cool! we'll have supercomputers being built on weekends across india. remember to call the local press in your area to the event. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[Fwd: Re: [ilugd] Another Suitable Place for ILUGD - Supercomputer]
er... eswar sent me this document, i think he meant it for the mailing list, so others onto the flashmobcomputing can respond. vivek, all yours! LL ps: eswar, *bsd is another thread one day. ;-) -Forwarded Message- From: Eswar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ilugd] Another Suitable Place for ILUGD - Supercomputer Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:36:53 +0530 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi LL, we also have gourav, and i think anindya who volunteered their site. lemme see. 350+ computers here, probably 100 at gourav's, and another 150 to 200 at anindya's. if we could inter-connect these, what would we get? the question though it how, look at the gigantic distances between these places. wifiMax is the answer, but who's got wifiMax? which reminds me, i should stop thinking at this time of the early day. :-) 350+ comps made to a Single Super Computer Grate idea!!! But i still dont understand u are all talking abt cd booting and no install stuffhere are my concerns How much time it will take if we all start this 350 computers...one by one with cd booting...or with 10 cds...or with 50 cds ?? Networking can be worked out ...for that matter i can help you guys...yeah...not with equipment but with...something else...(gyan i dont have...so that i can share) At least 75% the systems should have the OS pre-installed (are we dead in to linux...or if i follow raju at the coffee place in PVRFreeBSD also is okey) Regards Eswar -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.8 for non-commercial use http://www.pgp.com iQEVAwUBQHIz5cxSu3MjBL6jAQG/LAgAmvUK+n8FYj797PcIbPBpj04UlUFH6CsV vwtO2MN/oFZndxDASwhPtYcCSCXFFxS3s1GkVdqhvSt5FKXZpk7VPx2Ka6fUjomw lvkOFhXrix9pBYeE5lEdcjZvV7XsVCwvV5iGyDvbYNy/jY3eqh6OcPaXnIIi4ab5 v/pp2wu00k210DLr4z9VVwhflEdpjc3H641QbWSLF6MaXlgeE0aWHQ1EvBWq3Y3t cRea8peSF8MC7DoJjMDjk5cReLaOkEmrXOuQOYj2ZejQ8l6EAME1AWs2A6ORgKYH VrVFYaDuIIypgoKn5OGjG+U8ewzjcUiv3YgwNovu69arQiL+RRZrXg== =s2Y0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Defining a Linux user
On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 16:26, Rahul Kumar wrote: Recently I overheard a conversation about How many Linux users there are in India. okay, the context of this thread: dq reported that in the previous month, the installed base of pcs in india touched 10 million. (1 crore) pcs. that makes it 1 pc for every 100 indian on the sub-continent. that's very poor diffusion of pc in india. [no, i hate using the word 'pc penetration' in india, as i find it a bit offensive] okay, so a group of us started wondering at the ilug-d meet, what's the big deal about IT in india, with that extraordinarily low pc stats in india. i mean, we've got more than 30 million cell users in india. IMHO, the cellphone is a computing device too. we also started wondering how many PC-users are there in india. through various highly educated guesses ;-) over delicious glasses of chai, we arrived at the precisely random figure of 100 million pc users (10 crores). it so conveniently fits into one in every ten indian is a pc user. your mileage will vary tremendously. anyways, the real question we pondered on: for all the hype, how many linux-users could there be in india. if you add the number of user groups and each's membership, you come to a figure so low i'd rather not mention it. and rahul takes on the gauntlet: he wants to know how do you define a linux user? he wants to know whether you count a windows user who browses the net/lan thru a linux server, as a linux user? and so on. by which time, i was ready to escape into the mind-numbing movie-hall please, everyone, do respond to rahul's stupendous email with your thoughts. rahul, would be nice if you could post your email to the linux-india mailing list too. let's try to get to our definition of a linux user, and to guestimates of linux users in india. my takes: anyone who uses run-level 5 *only* and with OO and evolution only, on a dual-boot pc, *is* a linux user for me. anybody who has a linux installed on the desktop or laptop for their individual use (whether at home or office) is a linux user. but someone who uses a linux server from a windoze desktop, is *not* a linux user. in this case, the user is not directly interacting with linux. it is set up to handle this without intervention from this windoze user. okay, what's your take. i *think* the total number of linux users in india could not be more than 20 lakh. why? because linux has usually 2% market share, and this is 2% of the 10 million pcs in india. (10 million=1 crore. 20 lakh = 2 million). i'm also sure this figure is off by +- 90% [grin] what do you say? :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: Subject: Re: [ilugd] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly supercomputer(Meeting)
On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 21:36, vivek khurana wrote: Hi! Okay, guyz time to plan for the project. Lets meet this sunday 10th April 2004 at 4:00 p.m (1600 hrs for those who use boeing for travelling) at Delhi haat, open air theater. bloody hot these days. you guys wanna bake? could someone please provide a meeting place in-doors, from the volunteers of this project? lots of supply of drinking water preferable. later, when the evening is cooler, you guys could go hang out post-meet wherever you like. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: Subject: Re: [ilugd] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly supercomputer
On Tue, 2004-04-06 at 23:14, Raj Mathur wrote: Anyway, may I invite you to my place this Saturday for the meeting? Say, 4pm? We can get together and work out the logistics, and take a decision on the best place to hold the flashmob. If everyone's amenable to meeting at Munirka I can post address and directions. Regards, that's a great suggestion. thanks for the offer. what do others say? -- Raju suggested new movie title: raju banayegaa super kampooter [g,d,r] :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Defining a Linux user
it is very hard to count total number of linux users since there is no one forcing you to register your copy so that the number can be successfully calculated. Anirban Biswas ghane urges people often to register at the linux counter. but you are right, people don't. which is why we are trying various approaches to guess the total number of users. btw, we don't really have figures of pc users in india, either. dq always mentions installed pc base, never pc users, which is an old principle of statistics: When in doubt, leave out. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Another Suitable Place for ILUGD - Supercomputer
On Wed, 2004-04-07 at 01:46, Mayank Jain wrote: mayank, you need to meet with the rest of the gang to discuss this further. guys, this is incredible, this is the third or the fourth venue that wants to do the flashmobthingie. wow! check the mailing list for venue, date, timings. the key persons handling this so far are vivek khurana, gaurav, anindya, and you. several several several have volunteered. so that makes it a team effort. all those interested please turn up at the meeting to discuss how to do this, who handles what, how, why recommendation: sandipbat handles network management... :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] darwin, macOS portable, etc
On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 10:12, Rahul Kumar wrote: Hi LL, Thanks for this piece on gnu-darwin. My (first) Mac (Powerbook Superdrive) will be coming in on the 9th [ In fact my first non-Linux anything since '97 ] I probably would land up trying out gnu-darwin on my other PCs. -- thanks, rk you'd be happy to know that the tata instt of fundamental research in bombay has quite a few macs and laptops too. running gnuliux, bsd, etc. but it would be great to see gnudarwin run on intel :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Re: darwin, macOS portable, etc
On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 11:56, Rahul Kumar wrote: 1. Apple is very much into opensource - not just Darwin. http://developer.apple.com/darwin/ps-faq.html their license is officially recognized by FSF as a free license. 2. Apple sold about 734,000 desktops this quarter - which makes it the highest *selling* Unix (as per one report). apple ran into controversy for using the official UNIX logo on their site. so you've gotta use the word *nix. Since we were talking desktops that day, how many desktops due you estimate Linux runs on? BTW, what happened to the discussion over the definition of a Linux user ? -- re rk i could start this discussion, but as you can see, i have too many discussion threads initiated. besides, *you* are the one with the valuable insights and counterpoints. so, everyone on the list, rahul has some thought-provoking questions to ask, and look forward to his new thread on this, [fresh email], which will contain a brief synopsis, and a challenge/response to all at ilug-d. his questions and requests for clarifications will get you scratching your head. over to you, rahul, and please start a new, fresh, email as a new thread. best of luck :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly supercomputer
On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 12:23, Gaurav Jain wrote: let me make proper arrangements, and if number of participants/cpu is more clear, proper arrangements for power, cooling, refereshments can be arranged. we have a cluster of smp systems here, are will be most happy to participate. cheers gaurav yeah this is cool! so great to see you take charge of this, and the several others who have volunteered, coordinate with gaurav and let's get the ball rolling. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re:RH 7.1 not able to access GUI
On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 23:24, Shashank Sharma wrote: Delete your /tmp files and then also remove or check the permissions on the .Xauthority file, you can even just delete it as well as it will get recreated when starting X. -LinuxLala Lallaji, nice name! ;-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly supercomputer
On Sun, 2004-04-04 at 22:27, Gaurav Jain wrote: i volunteer to use my office in gurgaon if its convinient for everyone, i will make the arrangements. thanks gaurav jain. er... could your infrastructure handle about 100 computers and its cooling? network, backup, etc? do you have existing computers (with cdroms) that could also be plugged into this? :-)LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] ROX and ZeroInstall
okay guys, back to some real common-sense through real intelligence. this is what the ETIAF (everything is a file) architecture of unix was all about. this is how the mac initially started, and its back to the original source. forget kde, gnome, etc. try ROX, god-send for idiots like me! http://rox.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/WhatIsRox with a combo-offer with zeroinstall http://rox.sourceforge.net/phpwiki/index.php/ZeroInstall you can forget about installation hell, dependency hell, and working with application launchers. could this make it to the next LiFY cd? do people have downloads? response from iluggers who've tried this? :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] FlashMob Falls Short of Supercomputer Goal
On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 01:07, Bhaskar Dutta wrote: Hi all, just wanted to share this information regarding the flashmob I event which happened earlier today. I have been following this event for quite a few weeks. The event failed to gather 500 gigaflops to achieve supercomputer status. managed around 180 only. we are not that ambitious. no need to break world records, etc. just doing that event is making history in indian computing. we'll probably manage anything between 50 to 100 computers which is good enough. am sure as time goes by, people will finetune flashmobcomputng until within six months to two years, they break world supercomputing records. it is inevitable. let's just get started and run patience on a supercomputer, though someone would have to re-work the code! [grin] :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: ILUGD April Meeting (summing up)
On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 08:39, vivek khurana wrote: I believe a full blown installation(30gb) of debian will be a great demo. an install-fest is the most important thing to do to demonstrate to newbies and others that this is *not* rocket science. so this has to be done. this must be followed up by an install of a random *.deb downloaded from the net, or some ideas of apt and things. If some one can bring it preinstalled on a harddisk, it will be great. as a second pc. :-) :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] gaim 0.76
On Sat, 2004-04-03 at 01:04, Kishore Bhargava wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi! All, For all those GAIM fans, the wait is finally over. 0.76 was just released and yes Yahoo! works again. Go grab it before it gets /.'ed or a new version of yahoo disables it ;-) Cheers...Kishore does it work with msn by the way? anybody tried this? ?? LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] why m$ will win anyway
here is the most brilliant article i've read yet, on how the EU case against m$ is ineffective. in fact, it *proves* that all cases against m$ will be ineffective and the company can, does, and will continue to get away with non-compliance. the maths is simple. the logic even simpler. it is the opinion of the author of the article, but a very powerful one. http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20040401.html lots of things to learn from here. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly supercomputer
dear all, this is an inspiration for a great idea. iluggers could get together, say for the may 2k4 meet, bring their linux boxes, wire them up, and create a 'flashmob' supercomputer. i could invite the press and write a press release on this. someone could talk to tv channels to cover this. read on to get inspired. people with supercomputing howto skills need to volunteer. let's fix up a date, time, venue, and get started. *** Linux creates first ad-hoc, temporary supercomputer http://newsvac.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=04/04/02/184238 Linux will be used to create a giant, temporary supercomputer from normal PCs brought by volunteers to an event tomorrow in San Francisco billed as the first of its kind. FlashMob will showcase technology enabling ordinary people with standard PCs to create a supercomputer in a matter of hours. The FlashMob event is sponsored by Foundry Networks, Myricom, and HP. *** HP-lurkers on the list could help and sponsor, too. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [Fwd: [K12OSN] OO 1.1.1 faster with remote xserver]
On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 05:21, Anirban Biswas wrote: I am totally supporting you TeX OO.o are different stuff though produces similar out put I only mnetained it since some ppl may intrested to it who do not get what he/she want from a word processor. Anirban Biswas okay guys, fyi, this amazing maths instt in pune, is planning to conduct workshops on TeX, for children in class VIII and above. ain't that cool. http://bprim.org/ :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [ilugd] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly supercomputer
On Sun, 2004-04-04 at 01:36, Akshay Lamba wrote: LL have a look at this. http://www.flashmobcomputing.org/ Couple of points I gather from the article: 1. They're going to release an iso after the even. We can use the same iso for ilug event. in just 12 hours this event will happen. so i'm going to tune in tomorrow to this. 2. The purpose on the event is to solve or attempt to solve one problem we need to decide on that. er.. how to run the world's fastest screensaver. :-) i don't know. we need someone from academia and research or maths to figure this out. probably a gene, some molecular structures, mathematical brute-forcing they also have tools to benchmark whether the supercomputer gets into the world's top 500. what i really like is that 1)they have a LAN party at the end of it. 2) you could even bring a non-linux pc. they'll run this thru a bootable cd. how cool! 3) everyone gets a sticker/decal of participation. 4)everyone gets a teeshirt they took part in this event. you know, i get the feeling at ilug-delhi, we *could* break the world record to even become the fastest supercomputer cluster in the world, but i bet tarun dua's tee-shirts for the flashmobcomputing event of ilug-d would be in by the end of this decade. [grinning, ducking, running] ouch! :-) 3. To really run the benchmarking tests after the pc's are in place we too need a gigabit network in place...either we choose to go with a 10/100 LAN or we need to find a place that has a g-bit switch and cabling !! hmm... volunteers, wake up. linux-delhi is awake at 1:47am. :-) Regrds, Akshay :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [ilugd] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly supercomputer
just read the faq on flashmobcomputing. http://www.flashmobcomputing.org/misc/faq in 1998, in germany the fire department blew snowy-cold air into the room to keep the computers cool! yeouch! that means, we need a building with enough pre-existing computers, loads of spare plugs, and good power supply to take the load. it also depends on how big our cluster is. for instance, even if we do this with say, 50 to 100 pcs from volunteers from ilug-d, it is worth it, and a moment in history. the newspapers and press will cover it. i also wonder how it will benchmark against india's existing supercomputers. :-) LL ps: i mentioned i have no knowhow about clusters etc, but wish to explore this. also, they are doing this with knoppix, as i had guessed in my previous email. so even windoze users can bring their pcs, network them, and run a live boot cd of clusterknoppix to create a supercomputer. translation: no techie knowledge required for participants and volunteers. just bring pc. though we would need one or two guys who handle the logistics and supercomputing benchmarking, etc. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[Fwd: Re: [ilugd] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly supercomputer]
[forward] YO!!! I support this...and i can dedicate time for the same Just tell me...when and where...i can get 2 pc's...to demo SMP Clustering... Gimme 2 weeks to prepare for the same Regards Eswar [/forward] *** that makes two volunteers so far, and counting. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] remove symbolic link from apache var/www/html
have created a symbolic link using ln -s to a directory called 'images' into /var/www/html i wish to delete this symbolic link: /var/www/html/images have tried rmdir, rm -fR, ln -f, read thru the man pages of rm, ln, tried a mv, but all fail. and am doing all these as root. what's the way of deleting this symbolic link, please? ?? LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [ilugd] ilug-d's first ad-hoc, on-the-fly supercomputer
On Sun, 2004-04-04 at 07:08, Raj Mathur wrote: LL == linuxlingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: LL [snip] LL sandip, do you think you could help on this? supreet has LL experimented a bit with clusters i recall. who all would like LL to research and volunteer to set this up, please? i think this LL is a fantastic idea. LL a volunteer, weekend, instant supercomputer. a maggie, LL two-minute google. a supercomputer for the heck of it. ...but what do we do with it? -- Raju dismantle it after a few hours. obviously. someone from academia/maths/ has to help demo a cool process on it and then we dismantle it. this is just for kicks raj. check the urls posted earlier. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] date of april meet
On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 12:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sir, I want to know the date of april meet. thankx... third sunday of april, which is... 18th april. 2pm. venue: EFY office, okhla Industrial area :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] [Fwd: [K12OSN] OO 1.1.1 faster with remote xserver]
On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 23:56, Anirban Biswas wrote: Hi Do not take me wrong but I think M$ office or OO.o both sucks some how less or more if you guys really want to produce some high quality documents with out any pain then learn .use LaTex if you already know it them Kile is a very good LaTex editor in KDE the above is a flame-bait. but atleast i won't fall for it. for 25 years, serious TeX users know that TeX is not in the same category as ordinary word-processing, much less office suites such as oo.o and m$o. TeX is for typesetting, and for something called 'document engineering.' no comparison, even though both seem to do the same thing. but the similarity ends there. in the world of software sufism, there is no contradiction. the intelligence of the heart sees that a computer can have both OO.o and teX its tools such as LaTex, KILE, LYX, etc, peacefully co-existing. to this, i'd also add DTP like scribus. as an aside, i can show you many people who handle letters, invoices, etc, all from a spreadsheet rather than a wordprocessor, even though the output is identical. big deal. and btw, i use all three. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] agnula cd
please, i need this distro (or is it a distro-fix?). its called agnula. more about it at http://www.agnula.org/ i think most of you *audiophiles* are gonna love this. it also solves various sound-related problems as a byproduct. the one i want is here: http://download.agnula.org/rehmudi/ its called rehmudi-2.0-cdrom.iso could someone please contact me offlist, tell me how much for cds and courier. thanks. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] darwin, macOS portable, etc
dear all, ever since i remarked about the mac on an eye-candy thread, have been wondering about the state-of-the-mac and decided to do some digging. darwin is the name of the core of the mac os, that is based on freeBSD. within the macos layer, a few custom things run over it. gnu-darwin is a project to port darwin to intel. anyone on this list who is using gnu-darwin on an intel? i'd love to hear your comments on this list. many projects that work under linux have been ported successfully to gnu-darwin. finally, for your device-fetish, apple just released the powerpod, that is really a pda, with a 'portable macos'. i bet 50 paise (with myself) that once this device is out, someone is going to hack it and install linux on it. http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/333/C2687/ :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [ilugd] Gentoo
On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 05:09, Gurpreet Singh Sachdeva wrote: To summarize the heart of Gentoo, [snip] do you use it, or have started to use it? would you like to give a small talk on this at the next meet, please? it would be nice if mary delivered the talk, but i know she seems to be rather busy these days and hasn't been attending meets regularly. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Suggestion for Lify CD
On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 07:52, vivek khurana wrote: [snip] in addition, the cds must also carry stuff people don't think about, like: 1) templates, clip-art, themes, for openoffice, xmms, GDM, gimp, etc. 2) loads of muft and mukt music. encourage artists in india to submit [snip] LL how come muft music a development tool??? Although this itself can be a good idea to have cd of muft and mukt music. You can get in touch with Lify for this, wait a minute you are already in touch with them. er.. look carefully, i say in addition. LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] A new file uploaded at ILUG-D site
There is a new file uploaded at ILUG-D site and here are the details: Uploaded filename: sodipodiTutorial.tgz Size: 8091183 bytes Comments: Your source files! Get started with graphic design and illustration. a tutorial on sodipodi for newbies to both graphic design and sodipodi. these are several source files archived into one file. all published under the free documentation license. copyright 2004. niyam bhushan. please share these and the other PDF with as many as you wish. And, the link is [ http://www.linux-delhi.org/ilugd/../cgi-bin/ilugd/download.cgi?action=downloads ] Thanks, Linuxlingam -- This email is brought to you by http://www.linux-delhi.org/ , India Linux Users Group - Delhi. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] kBinaryClock
On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 16:25, Arjun Asthana wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 31 March 2004 17:17, you wrote: dear all, have the usual clock on my taskbar, but its the fantastic KBinaryClock. it displays the time in binary, as LED dots. [snip] http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/programs/program.php?program=KBinaryClock Have you tried wmfishtime? [snip] It's inside water and there's a bunch of cute fishies inside the water thatare scared away when you point your mouse on it. And when a new mail comes, it shows weeds partially covering the clock. http://freshmeat.net/projects/wmfishtime/ There's another cute thing called bubblefishymon which is a cross of bubblemon and wmfishtime.[snip] here's the url: http://www.ne.jp/asahi/linux/timecop/ it has both wmfishtime and bubble*. there's a guru, below him an expert, below her a newbie. what comes below a newbie. people like me, of course! what category? the former macintosh users of the world, who grew up with only GUI-based computers, with only one button on the mouse, so it would be damn difficult to press the wrong one! ;-) some have a sweet tooth, i guess i have one for making my runlevel 5 interface and GUI as cool and as colorful as possible. all i do is spend time doing this, rather than research into how to setup clusters. :-) glad i found a friend in arjun asthana. okay, so we are going to actively share such eye-candy and things that thrill the human interface to linux. anybody got anything else to share? please write in. consider this my fetish! :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] kBinaryClock
just installed both bubblemon and fish, but they are more suited for another DE. i use KDE, and they just show up as a square box. still they are quite cute! must try them once :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: ILUGD April Meeting (summing up)
On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 21:30, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: Sure, I would go ahead with the following topics if it's okay with everyone: a) Debian and its philosophy. b) Latest Development in Debian. c) Key features/merits of Debian. I hope these topics aren't clashing. rrs excellent! these are exciting. and please keep them simple for a macintosh user like me! :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Gentoo
On Thu, 2004-04-01 at 23:06, Raj Shekhar wrote: linuxlingam wrote: it would be nice if mary delivered the talk, but i know she seems to be rather busy these days and hasn't been attending meets regularly. LL, I met Mary at the LinuxAsia. She is actually a He :-) . IIRC Mary is a sys admin + programmer + system analyst at Sarai. So will the real Mary please speak out and clear my confusion ? hee hee heee! are you sure! i bet there will be quite a large turnout at the april meet from the curious... btw, april fool, everyone. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] kBinaryClock
after spending more than 14 years staring at macintosh screens, i don't want to make my gnulinux look like another mac. c'mon! i much prefer the more adventurous things i can do in KDE and with eye-candy applets etc. btw, i keep my taskbar on the top, never at the bottom. when apple first designed the menu, they kept it at the bottom. user interface response showed people found it better and more intuitive when at the top. the visual of a menu dropping down is intuitive to our understanding of gravity. people thought it did not take too much space when on the top. so apple realized this and shifted it to the top. needless to say, the macintosh GUI was a super roaring success. ironic, when m$ created their mac-wannabe, [windoze] they put the taskbar at the bottom. typical. and so we have the majority of the population of pc users, keeping their taskbar at the bottom. endnote: NeXT put it on the right as a vertical, in NeXTstep. but deep down steve knew what human cognition and perception intuitively understands. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] argh! what's this dvdcss thingie?
under the pcqlinux2k4 fedora, i found to my surprise a full-working dvdplayer in software, which is great. just a moment ago, i found the following: /home/LL/.dvdcss/MY_DISC#200403252319/ okay, so i wonder, what the f**k is this? some sort of DRM (digital rights management) mechanism in place? make that digital restrictions management, in the words of RMS. any clues, guys? :-( LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Minutes of ILUGD March 28, 2004 meeting
raj, really comprehensive summary. thanks. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] ILUGD April Meeting (summing up)
On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 16:50, Tarun Dua wrote: So until now we have the following for the April Meeting 1. Venue: LFY will provide at Okhla Phase I 2. Convenor: Mayank Sharma (LFY) [snip] date: 18th april 2004. time: 2pm. temperature:49.5 degrees celcius in the sun. 21 degrees celcius in the aircon meeting room. location: see archive of previous announcement for directions. [insert url here]. okay, i love the topic: desktop power. voices across the industry herald this year as the arrival of linux on mainstream desktops. this topic, as a howto, is a great way of endorsing this. newbies: please add what else you'd like to see and understand on the desktop: a) instant messaging? b) cellphone-to-desktop syncing? c) digital camera thru usb? ... speak up, and be heard. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] bad apples
how muft and mukt communities really work: http://www.csh.rit.edu/~benjamin/articles/bad_apples.php :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: ILUGD April Meeting (summing up)
On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 17:24, Tarun Dua wrote: vivek khurana wrote: 1. Linux Desktop Power ( Or Free Software Desktop power) 2. The Debian, Debian and Debian Meet Vote now and be heard (Quote: LL) -Tarun hey! i think both can be done. no big deal. start with 1) and flow into 2). the desktop power talk wouldn't take more than 30 minutes, or even 40 if you cover a whole lot of desktop toys and delights. and then we can move into debian: Seven Steps To Sarge Samadhi: moving from RedHat/Redmond to Debian, for the clueless in a hurry. ;-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Suggestion for Lify CD
the cds must always carry the 'BIG BLOBS' that people can't usually download. these include the latest versions of: 1) libraries. libraries. libraries: 2) QT 3) KDE 4) GNOME 5) Mozilla 6) Evolution (is that possible?) 7) OpenOfficex.x. in addition, the cds must also carry stuff people don't think about, like: 1) templates, clip-art, themes, for openoffice, xmms, GDM, gimp, etc. 2) loads of muft and mukt music. encourage artists in india to submit their classical indian music for instance, as ogg vorbis files, under a creativecommons license, to be distributed on these cds. ditto with photographs, videos, etc. also, i hope LiFY and LFY don't become delhi-mailing list centric. hope they have posted their request for suggestions to major mailing lists across india, and/or to the linux india mailing list as well. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Gentoo
arrey! seems like gentoo is the answer to quite a few problems. check out www.gentoo.org this is a new distro that they call a 'meta distribution' as it can be made to fit you, rather than cutting you to fit it, as with other distros. :-) since people are actively looking at life beyond redhat (fedora, debian, knoppix, x) could someone who is using and experienced with gentoo please give us a gentle introduction to gentoo at the next meet, right after the debian talk? would make the meeting quite interesting. mary, you have gentoo and seem to be using it. could you volunteer please? :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] un-minutes of the March meet
On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 09:58, Sudev Barar wrote: LL you forgot volunteer Mayank who stepped forward to co-ordinate college linux presentations. Members (IT MEANS YOU!!!) of ILUG-D should try to fix up with colleges / institutions for organising a Linux day and inform Mayank. Who will try to co-ordinate between members so that a volunteer team could make presentations / distribute CD's. I volunteer for such events. me too. i want to eat 10,000 students across colleges and instts in india. have already eaten about 1,100 in the past 6 weeks. feed me more. :-) LL: the opensource bakasur. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Linux equivalents of Windows software
On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 10:26, Ankur Rohatgi wrote: Hi all , I have recently migrated from Windows to the linux environment. One of the hardest parts of the migration was a single point info source of software that can help my transition so i can continue to do everything i did in Windows. I found these good links and i think this will help others in the same transition , if anyone else knows some other such links please let me know. http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml http://www.linux.ie/newusers/alternatives.php try www.yolinux.com LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: Linux equivalents of Windows software
ams, your account of your migration is hilarious! hehehehe! way to go. wish everyone else had the same or similar experience as you did. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Next Meet
On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 11:22, Manpreet Singh Nehra wrote: 2. What (what's the theme of the Meet?) Howto to day some jobs which are trivial in windows and not so trivial in linux like Writing CD's, configuring browser, adding flash to your browsers, and so on.. doing a daily sys ad of the system. okay! that's cool! that's done! this will be covered in the fifteen minutes of fame for the newbies at the beginning of the meet: i'd suggest we call this topic: Trivializing Windoze. :-) 1) burn cds using K3B. a demo will be nice. push it up with webCD, that allows you to do this over a network and thru a browser. 2) configuring browzer, look at browzer options. adding flash, and adding java and javascript support. 3) getting xmms, mp3, yadda yadda to work. 4) first look at webmin: that takes care of sysadmin for newbies :-) 5) [add your topic here, newbies] yup, this is good. newbies will love this. who volunteers to show the above. i suppose mayank could do this. mayank, could you please volunteer? :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
