Re: Hallofshame web page (was) Re: [ilugd] Re: [RANT Maybe OT] Wired - weird India
Hi All, Here is one more candidate for hall of shame. 1. http://ttsvisas.com The Site is for making appointments with US Counsolate for Visas. The homepage works well with Firefox, however the pages, which tell you the availability on a calender shows contents well with IE only. I have the screenshots taken, for proof, since I cant divelge my application number details. I have not contacted this company for this. Regards Kapil Sethi ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: Hallofshame web page (was) Re: [ilugd] Re: [RANT Maybe OT] Wired - weird India
On Tue, 2004-10-26 at 14:13, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: Kapil Sethi wrote: Hi All, Here is one more candidate for hall of shame. 1. http://ttsvisas.com [SNIP] Seems to be a private agent for visa processing. So cant be included according to *present* conditions at http://www.lug-delhi.org/HallOfShame [...] 2. We are not targetting each and every Indian website with these conditions. Rather we are targetting sites which are critical to the general public, which at present includes: 1. Banking and insurance websites 2. Government websites I think there is need for such inclusions also. The ttk guys are front end for US.gov..whatever... so they should not be locking out OSS friendly people. Secondly the momentum for web sites to be OSS friendly will force advanced planning: on the site designers because of overall awareness. Vote for change of conditions?? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [RANT Maybe OT] Wired - weird India
On Thu, 2004-10-14 at 19:57, Ajay wrote: As I am a newbie, excuse my interruption. I believe good newspapers have a technique for dealing with this. They tell the suspected fault to the blamed party and ask him to reply in a couple of days. If he does not give a satisfactory reply soon, the newspapers publish the defect and mention the fact that the blamed party was evasive or whatever. By the way we can also tell the reserve bank of india about it. They are supposed to be very strict about quality of banks in india. Thanks Ajay, You would not have their complaint cell email id by any chance? Oh well I can look it up nic.in -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: Hallofshame web page (was) Re: [ilugd] Re: [RANT Maybe OT] Wired - weird India
On Thu, 2004-10-14 at 20:58, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: chance to icicidirect.com yet to respond to the complaint. Sudev, have you filed a complaint yet to icicidirect.com yet, using their feedback form? I think you should send one, wait for seven days, and then it should be put up the site on the list. Did and their reply was sorry but right now IE only...pause...we are working on it In fact before even starting RANT did just that. If that is agreeable by others, I will remove ICICIDirect.com for now, and put them up again if they dont respond. Also wrote back giving some links for security flaws of IE but no response. As Advised by Ajay will now write to RBI. Summary of discussion here and elsewhere is: 1. Try shortcuts / alternatives: My response is that I will but why should I as customer have to find solutions? They should not force me to buy stuff and more over stuff that leads to $ outflow from the country that is plainly avoidable. 2. Positive replies on how to deal: This is what we as consumers [and FLOSS advocates] should work upon. Create awareness and get companies to work on their service. I was quite worried about the post of TCS etc. We need to get out act together. I think we should have a policy for two kinds of offenses. 1. Where the website puts up explicit notice that the site will look-good/work only with IE. These can be put up on the list right away. Okay 2. Where obvious programming incompetency, or mere laziness to test the site against non-IE browsers, cause a problem of accessibility. In these cases, we send them a notice and wait for a period of seven days for either an explanatory mail, or correction of the issue. Failing any of these, we simply put up the company on the list. That is what am trying with icicidirect.com Apart from banks, it would be great if we go all out against government websites which have absolutely no business to discriminate against [SNIP] Way to go. Remember, one of the main resistance against the adoption of Linux is interoperability - in hardware, software, websites, internet access ... everything. You cant just push Linux down the throat of new users unless these issues are answered. And the only way this issue can be handled is by publicizing problems caused by providers of goods and services who make life difficult for Linux users. Viva la revolution!!! ??? -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [RANT Maybe OT] Wired - weird India(important)
--- Linux Lingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:03:43 +0530, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tarun Dua wrote: Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: I propose setting up a Linux unfriendly products/services website, where we maintain a hall of shame for Indian vendors/companies who discriminate against consumers choice. We mention here both hardware and websites of companies which force consumers to use proprietary technologies, or otherwise perpetuate vendor lock in. I am all for it. A section in http://lug-delhi.org would be great. Check out http://www.lug-delhi.org/HallOfShame/Websites great idea. i have been requesting this for quite some time. those of you facing problems with your ISPs, even modems and other peripherals, this is the place to let it all hang out. i can see this snowballing into listing vendors who don't deliver on promised gnulinux service or deliverable etc. we'll have to take a policy stand on this one. my suggestion: restrict to hardware, websites, ISPs. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ = Hug the REALITY ;-) Disclamer The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [RANT Maybe OT] Wired - weird India
vivek khurana wrote: anyone with basic understanding of html, can identify that anchor tag begins before td tag, and ends after td tag. In simple words td tag is embeded inside anchor tag and gecko based browsers are unable to renders it whereas IE is able to render it. So i changed the code to following(on local machine) and it worked. This has already been reported in LIH. I might be wrong, but AFAIK, making td tags linkable is non-standard and IE specific. Also, what you are anyway saying that, because IE renders it, it is ok, and it is Gecko which has to be blamed because it doesnt render it properly? That is the whole point isnt it? These companies develop websites, and test it solely on IE, and dont even care for other browsers like Netscape, Opera etc. The point of that hallofshame webpage is to point out instances where the said entity doesnt bother making their services/products accessible on non-IE browsers. It doesnt matter what is causing the problem - in most cases, these entities dont bother using standard compatible code. For them IE is the standard, and any browsers which doesnt support everything that IE supports is non-standard. Somewhat similar to what you wrote in your mail. The point of this drive is to publicise the fact that there is a world outside IE which is trying to use their websites. Other issues that are worth pointing out is when important websites like banks, etc. are not accessible by people with disabilities like color-blindness, etc. Not being accessible by any kind of people is discrimination, something similar to You can enter this premises, because you are not wearing a shirt and tie. People creating socially critical websites should be made aware that they have far more responsibility that merely serving up a website. - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya*Puroga Technologies * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: http://www.puroga.com* Home: http://www.sandipb.net PGP/GPG Signature: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [RANT Maybe OT] Wired - weird India
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vivek == vivek khurana [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am all for it. A section in http://lug-delhi.org would be great. Check out http://www.lug-delhi.org/HallOfShame/Websites Vivek Okay guyz i belive we have been really quick in declaring Vivek www.icicidirect.com pro M$ and added them to hall of Shame. Vivek If somebody has spent few minutes and looked at the Vivek document source of main page www.icicidirect.com, he/she Vivek whould have imediately identified that the problem is Vivek probably at Mozilla/konquorer end and not icici. I Vivek downloaded the page and found following problem. Vivek The buttons on the main page of www.icicidirect.com is Vivek rendered from following code Vivek a href=http://content.icicidirect.com/home.asp; td Vivek align=center class=box bgcolor=#99 Vivek style=cursor:hand title=Homefont Vivek class=texthome/font/td/a Vivek (where text and box class are defined in the head section) Vivek anyone with basic understanding of html, can identify that Vivek anchor tag begins before td tag, and ends after td Vivek tag. In simple words td tag is embeded inside anchor tag Vivek and gecko based browsers are unable to renders it whereas Vivek IE is able to render it. So i changed the code to Vivek following(on local machine) and it worked. Vivek td align=center class=box bgcolor=#99 Vivek style=cursor:hand title=Homea Vivek href=http://content.icicidirect.com/home.asp; font Vivek class=texthome/font/td/a Vivek I then went on to go through the remaining page and found Vivek that there is nothing M$ specific in the code. Whole page Vivek has been designed adhering to standards. Closing a tag within a context it hasn't been opened in isn't bad? Damn, let ICICI find someone who knows how to write HTML before you take their name away from the site, and it's even worse if the result of this bad HTML makes the page only loadable by br0k3n browsers. Vivek SO PLEASE NEXT TIME VERIFY FACTS BEFORE BLAIMING ANY Vivek ORGANIZATION. Vivek What if icici decided to sue us? Vivek I would recommend that we remove www.icicidirect.com from Vivek hall of shame at lug-delhi.org. As we have proof that they Vivek have nothing M$ specific on main page. Doesn't anyone use HTML validation tools any more? Regards, - -- Raju Vivek Regards VK Vivek = Hug the REALITY ;-) Vivek Disclamer The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the Vivek opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... Vivek __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Vivek Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download Vivek now. http://messenger.yahoo.com Vivek ___ ilugd Vivek mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vivek http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: Vivek http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi Vivek http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ - -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/ iD8DBQFBbn13yWjQ78xo0X8RAg+UAJ0d/F5cEKrxWEEpWMqPXG/E7uM9LgCfdDJG l8tcktT2DO+5d5oyslcRnnE= =qbqr -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [RANT Maybe OT] Wired - weird India
As I am a newbie, excuse my interruption. I believe good newspapers have a technique for dealing with this. They tell the suspected fault to the blamed party and ask him to reply in a couple of days. If he does not give a satisfactory reply soon, the newspapers publish the defect and mention the fact that the blamed party was evasive or whatever. By the way we can also tell the reserve bank of india about it. They are supposed to be very strict about quality of banks in india. Thanks Ajay - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Hallofshame web page (was) Re: [ilugd] Re: [RANT Maybe OT] Wired - weird India
Ajay wrote: As I am a newbie, excuse my interruption. I believe good newspapers have a technique for dealing with this. They tell the suspected fault to the blamed party and ask him to reply in a couple of days. If he does not give a satisfactory reply soon, the newspapers publish the defect and mention the fact that the blamed party was evasive or whatever. Actually, you are quite right about this. To be fair, we havent given a chance to icicidirect.com yet to respond to the complaint. Sudev, have you filed a complaint yet to icicidirect.com yet, using their feedback form? I think you should send one, wait for seven days, and then it should be put up the site on the list. If that is agreeable by others, I will remove ICICIDirect.com for now, and put them up again if they dont respond. I think we should have a policy for two kinds of offenses. 1. Where the website puts up explicit notice that the site will look-good/work only with IE. These can be put up on the list right away. These notices are tantamount to policy decisions. In some cases, even the choice of technology used is as good as a policy decision. e.g. dca.nic.in (directorate of company affairs) reportedly uses vbscript in their websites. 2. Where obvious programming incompetency, or mere laziness to test the site against non-IE browsers, cause a problem of accessibility. In these cases, we send them a notice and wait for a period of seven days for either an explanatory mail, or correction of the issue. Failing any of these, we simply put up the company on the list. Apart from banks, it would be great if we go all out against government websites which have absolutely no business to discriminate against browsers. If possible, please report such websites offlist at (hallofshame -at- lug-delhi -dot- org). I will send them a notice myself and put them up if they fail to respond. I hope people understand the significance of these actions. Why would the Indian public use Linux as their primary desktop ever, if critical websites like banks and government information websites, make the Linux desktop absolutely useless? Why should we have to take refuge in actions like fudging browser identification to be able to access these websites, which is like trying to lie to websites about your true identity. BTW technically, browser identification fudging mostly works if the website is actively blocking browsers by name. In most cases however the problem happens because the websites use proprietary extensions to web standards(like IE specific DOM in Javascript, or using VBScript instead of javascript or using IE specific HTML like in teh case of icicidirect.com). These problems cant be solved by juggling with browsers. (exception being I think Opera which can emulate IE *behavior* if asked). Microsoft's desktop monopoly has ensured that almost every(90+%) new desktop or laptop sold in the world has IE on the desktop. Mozilla/Netscape represents choice for the consumers. And in the case of the Linux world, Mozilla represents the only option that users have for accessing websites. Remember, one of the main resistance against the adoption of Linux is interoperability - in hardware, software, websites, internet access ... everything. You cant just push Linux down the throat of new users unless these issues are answered. And the only way this issue can be handled is by publicizing problems caused by providers of goods and services who make life difficult for Linux users. - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya*Puroga Technologies * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: http://www.puroga.com* Home: http://www.sandipb.net PGP/GPG Signature: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [RANT Maybe OT] Wired - weird India
That is the whole point isnt it? These companies develop websites, and test it solely on IE, and dont even care for other browsers like Netscape, Opera etc. Okay so this means they are using a flawed development model, but it is insufficient to prove that the are pro M$ or are blocking no-IE browsers. There is no code in the main page which is blocking any browser. Absolutely no broser identification is used anywhere. Ya, the tag used is not specified in w3c standard but it doesnot require any special libraries (MS specific) to be displayed as hyperlink. The point of that hallofshame webpage is to point out instances where the said entity doesnt bother making their services/products accessible on non-IE browsers. It doesnt matter what is causing the problem - in most cases, these entities dont bother using standard compatible code. For them IE is the standard, and any browsers which doesnt support everything that IE supports is non-standard. Somewhat similar to what you wrote in your mail. The point of this drive is to publicise the fact that there is a world outside IE which is trying to use their websites. Other issues that are worth pointing out is when important websites like banks, etc. are not accessible by people with disabilities like color-blindness, etc. Not being accessible by any kind of people is discrimination, something similar to You can enter this premises, because you are not wearing a shirt and tie. What kind of awareness wil you generate by putting a website directly into hall of shame without giving them a chance to respond. Has anyone reported the mater to icicidirect.com? Did they declined to make changes which will make there website work with other browser? Do the authorities at icicidirect.com even have a slight idea about standards or are they even aware of other browsers? You can't assume they want to disallow other browsers. You cant assume they are even aware of other browsers, just because you know they exist.You can't make someone guilty till proven innocent ;-) Most of the companies outsource such work and have no knowledge of w3c standards or any standard infact. For institutions such as the party under consideration use technology as a marketing tool. they have an idea in mind about the kind of service they want to provide to end user and they simply outsource such work. It ould turn out that icicidirect.com is unawre of this flaw (which i still belive is nothing more than a minor bug) The way to ensure standards are followed is to first make higher authorities in an organization aware of the standards and if they still are reluctant and adhere to some proprietory standard put themin whatever list you want to . By putting an organization into a list like this or posting suggestions like dragging them to consumer court, without giving them a chance to respond, paramounts to a libel. We are ourselves providing material for bad press regarding linux and linux users to other party. What if we get bad press due to such actions? Will an end user even think of using linux if other party projects linux users as militant? Even i agree that we need a list like hall of shame but we have to be very specific under what conditions website, ISP or vendor will be added to the list. Just remember this will be a public list and entry into such a list will have negative impact on the party involved, so all i want to recomend is just be careful!! Regards VK PS:- I am no way, directly or indirectly, involved with www.icicidirect.com. = Hug the REALITY ;-) Disclamer The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [RANT Maybe OT] Wired - weird India
I have already addressed much of the points of this mail in a previous mail at http://article.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi/7253 vivek khurana wrote: That is the whole point isnt it? These companies develop websites, and test it solely on IE, and dont even care for other browsers like Netscape, Opera etc. Okay so this means they are using a flawed development model, but it is insufficient to prove that the are pro M$ or are blocking no-IE browsers. There is no code in the main page which is blocking any browser. Absolutely no broser identification is used anywhere. I dont understand. The page has code which works only on IE. It is preventing other browsers to access the page by using non-standard IE-specific code. Yes, they are not actively blocking browsers by checking browser identification like many other sites do. But isnt being proprietary being anti-choice? It is taking away the visitors right of using the browser of their choice. Ya, the tag used is not specified in w3c standard but it doesnot require any special libraries (MS specific) to be displayed as hyperlink. Who said that incompatibility/lanck-of-interoperability only has to be at binary level? The point of this drive is to publicise the fact that there is a world outside IE which is trying to use their websites. Other issues that are worth pointing out is when important websites like banks, etc. are not accessible by people with disabilities like color-blindness, etc. Not being accessible by any kind of people is discrimination, something similar to You can enter this premises, because you are not wearing a shirt and tie. What kind of awareness wil you generate by putting a website directly into hall of shame without giving them a chance to respond. Has anyone reported the mater to icicidirect.com? Did they declined to make changes which will make there website work with other browser? I have acknowleged this in my earlier mail to ILUGD which you must have read before sending this mail. Do the authorities at icicidirect.com even have a slight idea about standards or are they even aware of other browsers? You can't assume they want to disallow other browsers. You cant assume they are even aware of other browsers, just because you know they exist.You can't make someone guilty till proven innocent ;-) Ignorance is not always good excuse. I dont believe that other than real newbies, people are unaware of other browsers. Especially, any person who has spent even a single day at any web development outfit, will know of non-IE browsers. This is simply a case of convenient ignorance. There are many, more obvious ways to do the particular non-standard code at icicidirect.com in a more standard way. By putting an organization into a list like this or posting suggestions like dragging them to consumer court, without giving them a chance to respond, paramounts to a libel. We are ourselves providing material for bad press regarding linux and linux users to other party. I dont think so. We have every right to complain when we have been discriminated with, out of or without ignorance. This list is a form of protest. What if we get bad press due to such actions? Will an end user even think of using linux if other party projects linux users as militant? There is nothing militant about this. Think of this as the Internet way of having a morcha or procession. :) Even i agree that we need a list like hall of shame but we have to be very specific under what conditions website, ISP or vendor will be added to the list. Just remember this will be a public list and entry into such a list will have negative impact on the party involved, so all i want to recomend is just be careful!! I have dwelled on these points in the mail I mentioned before, at http://article.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi/7253. - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya*Puroga Technologies * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: http://www.puroga.com* Home: http://www.sandipb.net PGP/GPG Signature: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: Hallofshame web page (was) Re: [ilugd] Re: [RANT Maybe OT] Wired - weird India
Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: I think we should have a policy for two kinds of offenses. I have tried to setup a policy[1] for the HallofShame page, and have removed icicidirect.com from the list for the time being .. in accordance with the policy. [1] http://www.lug-delhi.org/HallOfShame - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya*Puroga Technologies * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: http://www.puroga.com* Home: http://www.sandipb.net PGP/GPG Signature: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [RANT Maybe OT] Wired - weird India
I am all for it. A section in http://lug-delhi.org would be great. Check out http://www.lug-delhi.org/HallOfShame/Websites Okay guyz i belive we have been really quick in declaring www.icicidirect.com pro M$ and added them to hall of Shame. If somebody has spent few minutes and looked at the document source of main page www.icicidirect.com, he/she whould have imediately identified that the problem is probably at Mozilla/konquorer end and not icici. I downloaded the page and found following problem. The buttons on the main page of www.icicidirect.com is rendered from following code a href=http://content.icicidirect.com/home.asp; td align=center class=box bgcolor=#99 style=cursor:hand title=Homefont class=texthome/font/td/a (where text and box class are defined in the head section) anyone with basic understanding of html, can identify that anchor tag begins before td tag, and ends after td tag. In simple words td tag is embeded inside anchor tag and gecko based browsers are unable to renders it whereas IE is able to render it. So i changed the code to following(on local machine) and it worked. td align=center class=box bgcolor=#99 style=cursor:hand title=Homea href=http://content.icicidirect.com/home.asp; font class=texthome/font/td/a I then went on to go through the remaining page and found that there is nothing M$ specific in the code. Whole page has been designed adhering to standards. SO PLEASE NEXT TIME VERIFY FACTS BEFORE BLAIMING ANY ORGANIZATION. What if icici decided to sue us? I would recommend that we remove www.icicidirect.com from hall of shame at lug-delhi.org. As we have proof that they have nothing M$ specific on main page. Regards VK = Hug the REALITY ;-) Disclamer The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [RANT Maybe OT] Wired - weird India
On Wed, 2004-10-13 at 10:45, Tarun Dua wrote: From another mailing list.This link was mentioned as solution. https://secure.icicidirect.com/customer/logon.asp?next=tradehome HTH Already on to this ;-) But the circumvention will disappear the way of first page if no one RANTS!!! or inspite of it :-( -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Re: [RANT Maybe OT] Wired - weird India
Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: I propose setting up a Linux unfriendly products/services website, where we maintain a hall of shame for Indian vendors/companies who discriminate against consumers choice. We mention here both hardware and websites of companies which force consumers to use proprietary technologies, or otherwise perpetuate vendor lock in. I am all for it. A section in http://lug-delhi.org would be great. -Tarun -- http://www.tarundua.net Nothing you ever wanted to find about Tarun Dua ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [RANT Maybe OT] Wired - weird India
Tarun Dua wrote: Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: I propose setting up a Linux unfriendly products/services website, where we maintain a hall of shame for Indian vendors/companies who discriminate against consumers choice. We mention here both hardware and websites of companies which force consumers to use proprietary technologies, or otherwise perpetuate vendor lock in. I am all for it. A section in http://lug-delhi.org would be great. Check out http://www.lug-delhi.org/HallOfShame/Websites - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya*Puroga Technologies * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: http://www.puroga.com* Home: http://www.sandipb.net PGP/GPG Signature: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [RANT Maybe OT] Wired - weird India
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:03:43 +0530, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tarun Dua wrote: Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: I propose setting up a Linux unfriendly products/services website, where we maintain a hall of shame for Indian vendors/companies who discriminate against consumers choice. We mention here both hardware and websites of companies which force consumers to use proprietary technologies, or otherwise perpetuate vendor lock in. I am all for it. A section in http://lug-delhi.org would be great. Check out http://www.lug-delhi.org/HallOfShame/Websites great idea. i have been requesting this for quite some time. those of you facing problems with your ISPs, even modems and other peripherals, this is the place to let it all hang out. i can see this snowballing into listing vendors who don't deliver on promised gnulinux service or deliverable etc. we'll have to take a policy stand on this one. my suggestion: restrict to hardware, websites, ISPs. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Re: [RANT Maybe OT] Wired - weird India
Sudev Barar wrote: While we emerge as world hub for IT our own IT enabled companies are busy running after closed standards being dished out by M$!! www.icicidirect.com has moved its web interface to be solely used through M$-I.Explorer ONLY!!! Bugger be the customer who wants to use FLOSS options. Buy M$-OS and be happy else commerce is denied to you!! From another mailing list.This link was mentioned as solution. https://secure.icicidirect.com/customer/logon.asp?next=tradehome HTH -Tarun -- http://www.tarundua.net Nothing you ever wanted to find about Tarun Dua ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
[ilugd] Re: [RANT Maybe OT] Wired - weird India
Manpreet Singh Nehra wrote: Well then let them do it get your account elsewhere, I stopped using there icicibank.com after I figured the site was not totally FLOSS compatible and would generate random errors. This is an era of consumers, if they think they are gonna get away with this well let them do so you can pick one of the hundreds of other options available. Its thre loss and not yours. I guess thats the idea behind all this ranting. If one has to be a minority be a vocal and influential minority. Shout to the press that ICICI's infotech arm did a lousy job. ICICI is a lousy bank. Post it to the blogosphere if you can't get traditional media ( creeps!! most of the traditional media sites in India seem to be having similar crappy setups). Spread the word around. -Tarun -- http://www.tarundua.net Nothing you ever wanted to find about Tarun Dua ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
