keys for storing the hidden url at point
Hello gnus, is there a keyboard shortcut for storing the hidden url of a link? The use case is that when I'm reading some rss articles at work I can't just press RETURN, because then I'm behind a restrictive firewall and I've set my default browser without proxy. At work then I'd like to paste the url into another browser with proxy settings. At the moment I've to display the article in raw mode, search the url and copy it. Dieter -- Best wishes H. Dieter Wilhelm Darmstadt, Germany ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: XNAY
David Hume writes: >> But what does it matter? What are you paranoid >> about? Don't be afraid of your computer! > > You can put a spin on anything to suite your > purposes. Call it anti-social, call it paranoia, > whatever. I call it: stupid. Fact: You message *is* archived, one way or another. Deal with it, or stop using mail and Usenet. Read this article, that was posted here a while back: http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/google-has-most-of-my-email-because-it-has-all-of-yours And if your message is archived, which it is, it might as well be archived in a complete and predictable way. -- underground experts united ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: XNAY
David Hume writes: > According to my installation of emacs there are some > 22000 articles on the server in this group. So my > articles are still present in the place I posted them > for people to look back to. Unless of course I > decided to cancel one. But then I would probably only > do that if what I had written turned out to be wrong, > or irrelevent or something like that. If so, it is better to quote yourself and say "this turned out to be incorrect, actually it is..." And then you have to add - like US politicians - "And in time, I hope to be forgiven" :) > I didn't post my articles on google groups so I don't > feel any obligation to make sure they go there and > stay there for all eternity, or until the demise of > google. Why do you keep brining up GG? What do they have to do with anything? This communication of ours is open, free. The XNAY won't change that, it will only get things confused and mixed up. -- underground experts united ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: XNAY
David Hume writes: > OK but can anyone be certain that what you quote is > what I wrote? No, just look: > What a bummer! David didn't write this! But what does it matter? What are you paranoid about? Don't be afraid of your computer! -- underground experts united ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: XNAY (was: gnus hanging - how to see what it is doing)
Peter Münster writes: >> I think I set that header so my articles would not >> be preserved in google groups for all eternity. > > Sure, XNAY prevents *your* articles from being > archived. But anybody (except for Adam Sjøgren ;) can > quote your text (or parts of your text taken out of > context), and that will be archived. Indeed. So the end result is: it can still get archived, only you don't know if it is, and if it is, it may be incomplete. What I can see it is much worse than just let it all be in the open. That way you will know it is archived if you ever need to return to the conversation (which frequently happens to me). And, whenever so, the conversation will be completely archived, not fragmentarily at the mercy of the quoters. By the way, XNAY is "X-No-Archive: Yes". > My message-cite-articles-with-x-no-archive is t, so > this message will stay understandable in the > future Mine is too and I don't remember setting that. Actually let me check that: no, I didn't. That tells me only people like Comrade Sjøgren are respectful enough to honor that header. By default Gnus don't (I did 'emacs -Q', then (require 'message) and `M-x describe-variable message-cite-articles-with-x-no-archive'). -- underground experts united ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
XNAY (was: gnus hanging - how to see what it is doing)
On Sun, Aug 31 2014, David Hume wrote: > I think I set that header so my articles would not be preserved in > google groups for all eternity. Sure, XNAY prevents *your* articles from being archived. But anybody (except for Adam Sjøgren ;) can quote your text (or parts of your text taken out of context), and that will be archived. My message-cite-articles-with-x-no-archive is t, so this message will stay understandable in the future... ;) -- Peter ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: gnus hanging - how to see what it is doing
David Hume writes: > OK maybe I am silly. I can't remember for certain, > but I think I set that header so my articles would > not be preserved in google groups for all eternity. GG wont last for all eternity, but even if it it did, what does it matter? -- underground experts united ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: gnus hanging - how to see what it is doing
Emanuel Berg writes: > Yeah, but are you sure this was set by the OP? He might > be using some software that has that by default. I don't know of any software that does - but of course, anything is possible. X-No-Archive is a quite well-established convention. > Yeah - why shouldn't it be archived? There can be many reasons. In the more technical groups it is perhaps less relevant than in other groups. > OK. Who then decides if it is a standard or not and is this later > formalized in some RFC? The standard says which headers are defined. I don't remember how the RFC process works, ask Wikipedia/Google :-) > Intuitively it seems a bad idea to prefix as "not standard" as that > would have to be changed (i.e., "X-" removed) if it ever made it to > the standard. Well, it would also be bad if a standard could not start using a name just because somebody "took it". There are arguments both ways. Best regards, Adam -- "Sunday morning when the rain begins to fall Adam Sjøgren I believe I have seen the end of it all" a...@koldfront.dk ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: gnus hanging - how to see what it is doing
a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: > Because I want to respect the wishes of the people I > respond to. Yeah, but are you sure this was set by the OP? He might be using some software that has that by default. > Also, I think setting X-No-Archive is kind of silly, > if not asocial. This functionality helps to showcase > that. Yeah - why shouldn't it be archived? Many times I Google a problem I see that some other guy has asked about that same problem, and the following discussion helps me to solve it, just as it helped him before me. > In some environments the use of "X-" for > non-standardized headers has been deprecated, as I > understand it, but there are a number of de facto > standard X-headers. OK. Who then decides if it is a standard or not and is this later formalized in some RFC? Intuitively it seems a bad idea to prefix as "not standard" as that would have to be changed (i.e., "X-" removed) if it ever made it to the standard. -- underground experts united ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: gnus hanging - how to see what it is doing
Emanuel Berg writes: >>> [Quoted text removed due to X-No-Archive] > What does this mean? It means that the article I was (not) quoting from had the X-No-Archive header set, which indicates that the author doesn't want his words archived - quoting them would go against that wish, so Gnus has functionality to avoid doing that. [The variable message-cite-articles-with-x-no-archive] > Perhaps Mr. Sjøgren has that as `nil'? Indeed, I have. > If so, why? Because I want to respect the wishes of the people I respond to. Also, I think setting X-No-Archive is kind of silly, if not asocial. This functionality helps to showcase that. > But even more so, why does the OP have X-No-Archive set? The header does not indicate motive ;-) > What kind of prefix is "X"? It is the standard "this-is-not-a-standard-header-yet"-prefix. It is common in formats that employ headers. In some environments the use of "X-" for non-standardized headers has been deprecated, as I understand it, but there are a number of de facto standard X-headers. Best regards, Adam -- "I wouldn't even think about playing music if I was Adam Sjøgren born in these times ..." a...@koldfront.dk ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
Re: gnus hanging - how to see what it is doing
On-topic: Even though you can use C-g in this an other cases, it is likely you got yourself into either an infinite loop or some computationally intense operation and/or some operation applied to some huge material (hence the seemingly infinite delay). The first case (the infinite loop) is a bug and shouldn't happen. The second case should only happen when you want it to, and thus expects a long delay. So you still have to understand what's going on, preferably sooner than later! OT: a...@koldfront.dk (Adam Sjøgren) writes: >> [Quoted text removed due to X-No-Archive] > > Ah, I didn't know that one. What does this mean? X-No-Archive sounds like a header. `M-x apropos X-No-Archive' yields: message-cite-articles-with-x-no-archive Variable: If non-nil, cite text from articles that has X-No-Archive set. I already have that `t', so it seems I can't get it back that way. Perhaps Mr. Sjøgren has that as `nil'? If so, why? But even more so, why does the OP have X-No-Archive set? What kind of prefix is "X"? /The hairdresser -- underground experts united ___ info-gnus-english mailing list info-gnus-english@gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/info-gnus-english
