Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[Martin Owens]

On Sat, 2017-01-14 at 12:22 -0700, brynn wrote:
> If it's as simple as making a "good" or "vetted" tag, and writing
> guidelines, why not get started?

Why not indeed. I trust you wholly with creating a simple set of
guidelines, I think you made a good start in the previous email.

You may wish to discuss, but I'm happy enough not to.

The videos tutorials will be in two great categories: unvetted (all
video tutorials added by anyone) and vetted (videos checked against
your checklist). Getting a list of vetted videos is not critical, so we
can be patient for your guidance and help sorting the content when the
time is right.

In the mean time, anyone is free to add tutorial links to the website.

Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[brynn]

Haha!

>  it will bear as much responsibility for tagging tutorials
as 'good' or 'vetted' as there are volunteers to do the vetting.

So when we have a tag for "good" or "vetted" should there be guidelines for 
using it?  Because what one sees as good will not necessarily be what all 
consider good.  I couldn't tell you how many not very good tutorials I've seen 
called "good".

In Maren's reply, she said:

>  - The guidelines are in the community CoC. A video is just a resource
like any other one.

I disagree.  The CoC is about personal conduct, not quality of content.

Back to Martin said:
> If
there is no one (or no one that knows what to do yet) then there is no
vetting.

Well, I'm entirely willing to do that, although as I mentioned, I can't start 
on 
it yet.  But if we had guidelines, then anyone else could start.  And plus, 
even 
when I have time, all kinds of other people are still going to be able to 
upload 
links.

> But I'd like to get a collection of tutorials built up before we drive
it to perfection.

Why?

If it's as simple as making a "good" or "vetted" tag, and writing guidelines, 
why not get started?  It shouldn't take any huge amount of effort to discuss 
and 
agree on a few simple guidelines.  Of course, I don't know what it takes to 
create a tag, but it seems like it should be fairy easy (by someone who already 
knows how and has the proper access).

Thanks,
brynn


-Original Message- 
From: Martin Owens
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 10:56 AM
To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net ; Maren 
Hachmann
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

On Fri, 2017-01-13 at 22:35 -0700, brynn wrote:
> It seems to me like the Inkscape website should bear some
> responsibility for providing quality content (even if it's not its
> own content), especially regarding tutorials.

And it will, it will bear as much responsibility for tagging tutorials
as 'good' or 'vetted' as there are volunteers to do the vetting. If
there is no one (or no one that knows what to do yet) then there is no
vetting.

But that does not mean we do not have a process in mind for tagging and
marking tutorials as 'good' in the future.

But I'd like to get a collection of tutorials built up before we drive
it to perfection.

Martin, 


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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[Martin Owens]

On Fri, 2017-01-13 at 22:35 -0700, brynn wrote:
> It seems to me like the Inkscape website should bear some
> responsibility for providing quality content (even if it's not its
> own content), especially regarding tutorials.

And it will, it will bear as much responsibility for tagging tutorials
as 'good' or 'vetted' as there are volunteers to do the vetting. If
there is no one (or no one that knows what to do yet) then there is no
vetting.

But that does not mean we do not have a process in mind for tagging and
marking tutorials as 'good' in the future.

But I'd like to get a collection of tutorials built up before we drive
it to perfection.

Martin,

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[Maren Hachmann]

a gallery entry, where you can only seewhat is it, 20 at once. 
> And you have to search for your catagory, where if you don't already
> know the terminology of what you're looking for, you won't be very
> successful finding it.  And the website speed.well, I hope we get
> more space sooner than later.

- I hope so, too. And more RAM :)

>   If and when we get more server space, could we host our own video
> tutorials?  Or is it never in the plans?  I think it would make the
> website even better.  (And of course, not depending on other websites
> for content is a plus.)

- That's difficult to do, because video files are so large. Also, we'd
get more people to find them if they're hosted on a website like
youtube. And most uploaders use those public services anyway. Uploading
twice is a lot to ask, it takes a long time to upload a video, depending
upon your internet connection.

Hope this helps a bit,
Regards,
 Maren

> 
> Thanks,
> brynn
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Vardenis Pavardenis
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:44 AM
> To: Maren Hachmann ; brynn ; Martin Owens ;
> inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
> 
> 
> Hello,
> Matin Owens said: "Because really that page needs to not exist in the
> form it is." and he doing website improvements. So, maybe just wait and
> don't update if really this page change form from current form to new
> form. Lessons list can be created easily, if something agrees with my
> suggestion, but if the page really change whether it's worth it to build?
> 
> 
> 11.01.2017, 05:22, "Maren Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de>:
> 
> 
> Am 11.01.2017 um 04:00 schrieb brynn:
> 
> 
> I think that page may need to exist into the future. Not all video
> authors will want to go to the trouble to upload theirlinks. And
> having this page will allow us to have a list of some of the best ones,
> which are not in the gallery.
> 
> 
> 
> - Anyone can add any video to the gallery. You can do so, too. We could
> have a 'featured' tag or something similar, too, if we want to designate
> 'the best'. But we can also just let the community decide what they like
> best, by voting on the items. Who knows with certainty what is helpful
> for others...
> 
> 
> 
> Although eventually, maybe it could be combined with the Text Tutorials
> page. They won't be intermingled, just 2 separate section. Maybe - just
> a thought.
> 
> 
> 
> - I would go so far as to replace the text tutorials page, too... it's
> just causing translation work, with no additional benefit in comparison
> to a gallery page (for me).
> 
> 
> 
> As I've said before, I'm sure we can make it nicer to look at.
> 
> Another thought - links to non-YouTube videos will work as well? vimeo,
> e.g.
> 
> 
> 
> - All links will work. For embedding, vimeo and youtube do work. Other
> providers can be added as needed.
> 
> Regards,
> Maren
> 
> 
> 
> All best,
> brynn
> 
> -Original Message- From: Martin Owens
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 4:37 PM
> To: Maren Hachmann ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
> 
> On Tue, 2017-01-10 at 21:21 +0100, Maren Hachmann wrote:
> Can't say that I can see why we'd take this route, when seemingly, we
> all agree that the page would be better off being replaced with a
> proper
> solution to the problem...
> We already had this situation once (where it was my fault), I don't
> like
> to see it repeated.
> 
> Btw. anyone can add a link to an Inkscape tutorial video they like,
> and
> mark as 'Tutorial'. It needn't be the author (but it would be good to
> have them on board, of course). If someone needs help with how to do
> this, I'm available for explanations / step-by-steps.
> 
> I'm really hoping my improvements which are yet to go in, will help get
> links added correctly.
> 
> Because really that page needs to not exist in the form it is.
> 
> But who knows, I have hope the next website release will be met with
> positive review.
> 
> Best Regards, Martin Owens
> 
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[Martin Owens]

Hi Brynn,

Most of what you say is right.

> Well, something still feels weird about this kind of routine.

It's perfectly normal for the internet. It's just like putting links
into a spreadsheet instead of a text document. We have more flexibility
with the spreadsheet as it's DATA, rather than text, which must be
reformatted manually every time.

> I assume it takes more resources - bandwidth, space, cpu or other?

To host our own? Yeah, it's 300 times more pressure than a text file
and 20 times more pressure than a large image.

We'd need a server FARM, rather than a single machine. So since we can
embed and link to youtube we do that. Wven my own videos will be on
youtube and I'll be generally deleting any large videos that might be
uploaded by other people since as an administrator I draw the line as
hosting video directly.

Of course there may be future exceptions, but I feel this is a fairly
good baseline rule.

> to do it using the 
> gallery, than just a simple text link. I guess I'm just old
> fashioned.  I'd 
> rather see nicely organized text, lists or table, where potentially
> hundreds of 
> tutorials can be linked on one page.

That's the elegance of DATA, we can turn the links into a list and
design a page for the content that's disconnected from the actual
content. So management of which videos becomes a parallel job that
ANYONE can do, and page design becomes something that web designers do
in code.

The DATA can also be indexed, so text searches and drill down
categorisation become possible. Overall it's much better to have this
sort of thing in a SYSTEM, than to have it in a manually curated text
file.

> Or is it never in the plans?  I think it would make the website even 
> better.

In this case, there's no clear benefit to hosting our own. Only costs
and burdens to us. Youtube (and others) so a fine job allowing
embedding and handle many hairy issues for us.

Our job is to integrate well enough to make it worthwhile for people to
list their tutorials on the website. I'm hoping the new link function
will make that easier.

Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[brynn]

 space, could we host our own video 
tutorials?  Or is it never in the plans?  I think it would make the website 
even 
better.  (And of course, not depending on other websites for content is a plus.)

Thanks,
brynn



-Original Message- 
From: Vardenis Pavardenis
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:44 AM
To: Maren Hachmann ; brynn ; Martin Owens ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website


Hello,
Matin Owens said: "Because really that page needs to not exist in the form it 
is." and he doing website improvements. So, maybe just wait and don't update if 
really this page change form from current form to new form. Lessons list can be 
created easily, if something agrees with my suggestion, but if the page really 
change whether it's worth it to build?


11.01.2017, 05:22, "Maren Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de>:


Am 11.01.2017 um 04:00 schrieb brynn:


I think that page may need to exist into the future. Not all video
authors will want to go to the trouble to upload theirlinks. And
having this page will allow us to have a list of some of the best ones,
which are not in the gallery.



- Anyone can add any video to the gallery. You can do so, too. We could
have a 'featured' tag or something similar, too, if we want to designate
'the best'. But we can also just let the community decide what they like
best, by voting on the items. Who knows with certainty what is helpful
for others...



Although eventually, maybe it could be combined with the Text Tutorials
page. They won't be intermingled, just 2 separate section. Maybe - just
a thought.



- I would go so far as to replace the text tutorials page, too... it's
just causing translation work, with no additional benefit in comparison
to a gallery page (for me).



As I've said before, I'm sure we can make it nicer to look at.

Another thought - links to non-YouTube videos will work as well? vimeo,
e.g.



- All links will work. For embedding, vimeo and youtube do work. Other
providers can be added as needed.

Regards,
Maren



All best,
brynn

-Original Message- From: Martin Owens
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 4:37 PM
To: Maren Hachmann ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

On Tue, 2017-01-10 at 21:21 +0100, Maren Hachmann wrote:
Can't say that I can see why we'd take this route, when seemingly, we
all agree that the page would be better off being replaced with a
proper
solution to the problem...
We already had this situation once (where it was my fault), I don't
like
to see it repeated.

Btw. anyone can add a link to an Inkscape tutorial video they like,
and
mark as 'Tutorial'. It needn't be the author (but it would be good to
have them on board, of course). If someone needs help with how to do
this, I'm available for explanations / step-by-steps.

I'm really hoping my improvements which are yet to go in, will help get
links added correctly.

Because really that page needs to not exist in the form it is.

But who knows, I have hope the next website release will be met with
positive review.

Best Regards, Martin Owens

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[Maren Hachmann]

Am 11.01.2017 um 14:44 schrieb Vardenis Pavardenis:
> Hello,
> Matin Owens said: "Because really that page needs to not exist in the
> form it is." and he doing website improvements. So, maybe just wait and
> don't update if really this page change form from current form to new
> form. Lessons list can be created easily, if something agrees with my
> suggestion, but if the page really change whether it's worth it to build?
> 

Hi Vardenis,

- I find it would be extremely valuable to have an up-to-date, reviewed
list of useful videos, which could then be added to the gallery.
It's a lot of work to view them all, and then to categorize them, but
I'm sure this would benefit many people. Just now I have answered a user
question with a link to youtube - it would be so much better to answer
it with a link to our gallery :)

I would like it a lot to see them tagged with difficulty levels
(Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced - just like Brynn does on her website
for the text tutorials).

As for tutorial series, it's maybe enough to add the first one in the
row/difficulty level, and then tell people that there are tons of
others, and roughly what topics they cover (at least, if the author of
the series doesn't answer if they are okay with a curated set of their
videos being embedded in the Inkscape website's gallery).

Kind Regards,
 Maren

> 11.01.2017, 05:22, "Maren Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de>:
>>
>> Am 11.01.2017 um 04:00 schrieb brynn:
>>
>>  I think that page may need to exist into the future. Not all video
>>  authors will want to go to the trouble to upload theirlinks. And
>>  having this page will allow us to have a list of some of the best
>> ones,
>>  which are not in the gallery.
>>
>>
>> - Anyone can add any video to the gallery. You can do so, too. We could
>> have a 'featured' tag or something similar, too, if we want to designate
>> 'the best'. But we can also just let the community decide what they like
>> best, by voting on the items. Who knows with certainty what is helpful
>> for others...
>>
>>  Although eventually, maybe it could be combined with the Text
>> Tutorials
>>  page. They won't be intermingled, just 2 separate section. Maybe
>> - just
>>  a thought.
>>
>>
>> - I would go so far as to replace the text tutorials page, too... it's
>> just causing translation work, with no additional benefit in comparison
>> to a gallery page (for me).
>>
>>  As I've said before, I'm sure we can make it nicer to look at.
>>
>>  Another thought - links to non-YouTube videos will work as well?
>> vimeo,
>>  e.g.
>>
>>
>> - All links will work. For embedding, vimeo and youtube do work. Other
>> providers can be added as needed.
>>
>> Regards,
>>  Maren
>>
>>  All best,
>>  brynn
>>
>>  -Original Message- From: Martin Owens
>>  Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 4:37 PM
>>  To: Maren Hachmann ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
>> <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
>>  Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
>> website
>>
>>  On Tue, 2017-01-10 at 21:21 +0100, Maren Hachmann wrote:
>>
>>  Can't say that I can see why we'd take this route, when
>> seemingly, we
>>  all agree that the page would be better off being replaced with a
>>  proper
>>  solution to the problem...
>>  We already had this situation once (where it was my fault), I
>> don't
>>  like
>>  to see it repeated.
>>
>>  Btw. anyone can add a link to an Inkscape tutorial video they
>> like,
>>  and
>>  mark as 'Tutorial'. It needn't be the author (but it would be
>> good to
>>  have them on board, of course). If someone needs help with
>> how to do
>>  this, I'm available for explanations / step-by-steps.
>>
>>
>>  I'm really hoping my improvements which are yet to go in, will
>> help get
>>  links added correctly.
>>
>>  Because really that page needs to not exist in the form it is.
>>
>>  But who knows, I have hope the next website release will be met with
>>  positive review.
>>
>>  Best Regards, Martin Owens
>>
>>  
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[Vardenis Pavardenis]

Hello,Matin Owens said: "Because really that page needs to not exist in the form it is." and he doing website improvements. So, maybe just wait and don't update if really this page change form from current form to new form. Lessons list can be created easily, if something agrees with my suggestion, but if the page really change whether it's worth it to build?11.01.2017, 05:22, "Maren Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de>:Am 11.01.2017 um 04:00 schrieb brynn: I think that page  may need to exist into the future.  Not all video authors will want to go to the trouble to upload theirlinks.  And having this page will allow us to have a list of some of the best ones, which are not in the gallery.- Anyone can add any video to the gallery. You can do so, too. We couldhave a 'featured' tag or something similar, too, if we want to designate'the best'. But we can also just let the community decide what they likebest, by voting on the items. Who knows with certainty what is helpfulfor others... Although eventually, maybe it could be combined with the Text Tutorials page. They won't be intermingled, just 2 separate section.  Maybe - just a thought.- I would go so far as to replace the text tutorials page, too... it'sjust causing translation work, with no additional benefit in comparisonto a gallery page (for me). As I've said before, I'm sure we can make it nicer to look at. Another thought - links to non-YouTube videos will work as well?  vimeo, e.g.- All links will work. For embedding, vimeo and youtube do work. Otherproviders can be added as needed.Regards, Maren All best, brynn -Original Message- From: Martin Owens Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 4:37 PM To: Maren Hachmann ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website On Tue, 2017-01-10 at 21:21 +0100, Maren Hachmann wrote: Can't say that I can see why we'd take this route, when seemingly, we all agree that the page would be better off being replaced with a proper solution to the problem... We already had this situation once (where it was my fault), I don't like to see it repeated. Btw. anyone can add a link to an Inkscape tutorial video they like, and mark as 'Tutorial'. It needn't be the author (but it would be good to have them on board, of course). If someone needs help with how to do this, I'm available for explanations / step-by-steps. I'm really hoping my improvements which are yet to go in, will help get links added correctly. Because really that page needs to not exist in the form it is. But who knows, I have hope the next website release will be met with positive review. Best Regards, Martin Owens -- Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi Processors Access to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms. With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE. Training and support from Colfax. Order your platform today. http://sdm.link/xeonphi ___ Inkscape-docs mailing list Inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs--Developer Access Program for Intel Xeon Phi ProcessorsAccess to Intel Xeon Phi processor-based developer platforms.With one year of Intel Parallel Studio XE.Training and support from Colfax.Order your platform today. http://sdm.link/xeonphi___Inkscape-docs mailing listInkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs--
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[Maren Hachmann]

Am 11.01.2017 um 04:00 schrieb brynn:
> I think that page  may need to exist into the future.  Not all video
> authors will want to go to the trouble to upload theirlinks.  And
> having this page will allow us to have a list of some of the best ones,
> which are not in the gallery.

- Anyone can add any video to the gallery. You can do so, too. We could
have a 'featured' tag or something similar, too, if we want to designate
'the best'. But we can also just let the community decide what they like
best, by voting on the items. Who knows with certainty what is helpful
for others...

> Although eventually, maybe it could be combined with the Text Tutorials
> page. They won't be intermingled, just 2 separate section.  Maybe - just
> a thought.

- I would go so far as to replace the text tutorials page, too... it's
just causing translation work, with no additional benefit in comparison
to a gallery page (for me).

> As I've said before, I'm sure we can make it nicer to look at.
> 
> Another thought - links to non-YouTube videos will work as well?  vimeo,
> e.g.

- All links will work. For embedding, vimeo and youtube do work. Other
providers can be added as needed.

Regards,
 Maren

> All best,
> brynn
> 
> -Original Message- From: Martin Owens
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 4:37 PM
> To: Maren Hachmann ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
> 
> On Tue, 2017-01-10 at 21:21 +0100, Maren Hachmann wrote:
>> Can't say that I can see why we'd take this route, when seemingly, we
>> all agree that the page would be better off being replaced with a
>> proper
>> solution to the problem...
>> We already had this situation once (where it was my fault), I don't
>> like
>> to see it repeated.
>>
>> Btw. anyone can add a link to an Inkscape tutorial video they like,
>> and
>> mark as 'Tutorial'. It needn't be the author (but it would be good to
>> have them on board, of course). If someone needs help with how to do
>> this, I'm available for explanations / step-by-steps.
> 
> I'm really hoping my improvements which are yet to go in, will help get
> links added correctly.
> 
> Because really that page needs to not exist in the form it is.
> 
> But who knows, I have hope the next website release will be met with
> positive review.
> 
> Best Regards, Martin Owens
> 
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[brynn]

I think that page  may need to exist into the future.  Not all video authors 
will want to go to the trouble to upload theirlinks.  And having this page 
will allow us to have a list of some of the best ones, which are not in the 
gallery.

Although eventually, maybe it could be combined with the Text Tutorials page. 
They won't be intermingled, just 2 separate section.  Maybe - just a thought.

As I've said before, I'm sure we can make it nicer to look at.

Another thought - links to non-YouTube videos will work as well?  vimeo, e.g.

All best,
brynn

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On Tue, 2017-01-10 at 21:21 +0100, Maren Hachmann wrote:
> Can't say that I can see why we'd take this route, when seemingly, we
> all agree that the page would be better off being replaced with a
> proper
> solution to the problem...
> We already had this situation once (where it was my fault), I don't
> like
> to see it repeated.
>
> Btw. anyone can add a link to an Inkscape tutorial video they like,
> and
> mark as 'Tutorial'. It needn't be the author (but it would be good to
> have them on board, of course). If someone needs help with how to do
> this, I'm available for explanations / step-by-steps.

I'm really hoping my improvements which are yet to go in, will help get
links added correctly.

Because really that page needs to not exist in the form it is.

But who knows, I have hope the next website release will be met with
positive review.

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[Martin Owens]

On Tue, 2017-01-10 at 21:21 +0100, Maren Hachmann wrote:
> Can't say that I can see why we'd take this route, when seemingly, we
> all agree that the page would be better off being replaced with a
> proper
> solution to the problem...
> We already had this situation once (where it was my fault), I don't
> like
> to see it repeated.
> 
> Btw. anyone can add a link to an Inkscape tutorial video they like,
> and
> mark as 'Tutorial'. It needn't be the author (but it would be good to
> have them on board, of course). If someone needs help with how to do
> this, I'm available for explanations / step-by-steps.

I'm really hoping my improvements which are yet to go in, will help get
links added correctly.

Because really that page needs to not exist in the form it is.

But who knows, I have hope the next website release will be met with
positive review.

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

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Le 10/01/2017 à 21:21, Maren Hachmann a écrit :
> Can't say that I can see why we'd take this route, when seemingly, we
> all agree that the page would be better off being replaced with a proper
> solution to the problem...

At least it looks a bit better now, I think.

> Am 10.01.2017 um 20:37 schrieb brynn:
>> PS - sorry if you're seeing blue text, I'm not sure what happened - didn't 
>> know 
>> plain text could have any color but black - working to fix  :-)

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[Maren Hachmann]

Can't say that I can see why we'd take this route, when seemingly, we
all agree that the page would be better off being replaced with a proper
solution to the problem...
We already had this situation once (where it was my fault), I don't like
to see it repeated.

Btw. anyone can add a link to an Inkscape tutorial video they like, and
mark as 'Tutorial'. It needn't be the author (but it would be good to
have them on board, of course). If someone needs help with how to do
this, I'm available for explanations / step-by-steps.

Maren


Am 10.01.2017 um 20:37 schrieb brynn:
>> * a custom image.
> 
> I might make a couple of example bullets.  Nothing fancy, because here, I 
> think 
> we need something subtle.  If I make a custom bullets, I guess I would have 
> to 
> give you and/or Maren the file, so you can upload it.  After that, how would 
> I 
> call on that custom bullet, when I’m want to use it?
> 
> Yes, I like how you reorganized that page.  That looks much better already.
> 
> Maybe I can do the same thing.  I mean, start experimenting on the current 
> page, 
> instead of waiting for Vardenis’ list.
> 
> I have to leave for a dentist appointment in a few minutes, otherwise I’d 
> start 
> right now.  Maybe tonight I can start.
> 
> Thanks for the info Sylvain  :-)
> 
> PS - sorry if you're seeing blue text, I'm not sure what happened - didn't 
> know 
> plain text could have any color but black - working to fix  :-)
> 
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> 
> Le 07/01/2017 à 04:49, brynn a écrit :
>> I suppose there's no way to make a custom bullet, is there?  I can 
>> see
>> the list format working, with more subtle bullets.   Maybe gray instead of
>> black, or something else --  smaller bullets maybe?  Sylvain, if you're 
>> watching
>> this thread, maybe you know about that?  I guess I've done it in the past, by
>> list style.  But I'm not sure how hard it would be to do on this website.
> 
> https://css-tricks.com/almanac/properties/l/list-style/
> You can only have:
> * a disc (default),
> * a circle (default for nested list),
> * a square (default for list nested several times),
> * nothing,
> * a custom image.
> 
> I also think the page is ugly.
> The first thing to do is to use more headings for the tree, at least for
> authors, like here:
> https://inkscape.org/fr/apprendre/tutoriels-video/
> I tried to remove the circles (leaving only the discs) but it looks like
> the editor doesn’t allow `list-style`.
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[brynn]

> * a custom image.

I might make a couple of example bullets.  Nothing fancy, because here, I think 
we need something subtle.  If I make a custom bullets, I guess I would have to 
give you and/or Maren the file, so you can upload it.  After that, how would I 
call on that custom bullet, when I’m want to use it?

Yes, I like how you reorganized that page.  That looks much better already.

Maybe I can do the same thing.  I mean, start experimenting on the current 
page, 
instead of waiting for Vardenis’ list.

I have to leave for a dentist appointment in a few minutes, otherwise I’d start 
right now.  Maybe tonight I can start.

Thanks for the info Sylvain  :-)

PS - sorry if you're seeing blue text, I'm not sure what happened - didn't know 
plain text could have any color but black - working to fix  :-)

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Le 07/01/2017 à 04:49, brynn a écrit :
> I suppose there's no way to make a custom bullet, is there?  I can see
> the list format working, with more subtle bullets.   Maybe gray instead of
> black, or something else --  smaller bullets maybe?  Sylvain, if you're 
> watching
> this thread, maybe you know about that?  I guess I've done it in the past, by
> list style.  But I'm not sure how hard it would be to do on this website.

https://css-tricks.com/almanac/properties/l/list-style/
You can only have:
* a disc (default),
* a circle (default for nested list),
* a square (default for list nested several times),
* nothing,
* a custom image.

I also think the page is ugly.
The first thing to do is to use more headings for the tree, at least for
authors, like here:
https://inkscape.org/fr/apprendre/tutoriels-video/
I tried to remove the circles (leaving only the discs) but it looks like
the editor doesn’t allow `list-style`.
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[Sylvain Chiron]

Le 07/01/2017 à 04:49, brynn a écrit :
> I suppose there's no way to make a custom bullet, is there?  I can 
> see 
> the list format working, with more subtle bullets.   Maybe gray instead of 
> black, or something else --  smaller bullets maybe?  Sylvain, if you're 
> watching 
> this thread, maybe you know about that?  I guess I've done it in the past, by 
> list style.  But I'm not sure how hard it would be to do on this website.

https://css-tricks.com/almanac/properties/l/list-style/
You can only have:
* a disc (default),
* a circle (default for nested list),
* a square (default for list nested several times),
* nothing,
* a custom image.

I also think the page is ugly.
The first thing to do is to use more headings for the tree, at least for
authors, like here:
https://inkscape.org/fr/apprendre/tutoriels-video/
I tried to remove the circles (leaving only the discs) but it looks like
the editor doesn’t allow `list-style`.
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[Maren Hachmann]

Am 06.01.2017 um 10:45 schrieb Martin Owens:
> P.S. Maren, I should check to make sure that our pages don't say "by
> Username" when the item is "I have permission" instead of "I own this
> work"

? *scratches head*

Is there anything you're asking me to do here? I'm not sure I know which
items you may be referring to, though...

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[brynn]

Hi Vardenis,
I hope I can find a way to display the info, without all the bullets 
(black squares and circles and dots).  In my opinion, that's what makes the 
page 
look so bad now.  I think I might try a table.  Or maybe a small table for each 
author?  I can't promise that I'll be able to use your format.  But we can do 
trial and error, until we find something that works for everyone.
As soon as I get your list, I can start working on it.  After I've 
formatted, let's say 25% of the list, I'll show everyone how it looks, or maybe 
I'll try a couple of different formats, and we can discuss from there.
I suppose there's no way to make a custom bullet, is there?  I can see 
the list format working, with more subtle bullets.   Maybe gray instead of 
black, or something else --  smaller bullets maybe?  Sylvain, if you're 
watching 
this thread, maybe you know about that?  I guess I've done it in the past, by 
list style.  But I'm not sure how hard it would be to do on this website.

Thanks,
brynn


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 4:45 AM
To: Martin Owens ; brynn ; Maren Hachmann ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website


Hello,
I was a little busy these days, sorry. :-) I'm too agree that
you will not need upload all YouTube videos  to the gallery, but just update 
"Video Tutorials" with new tutorials, or entire redesign or delete this page, 
but maybe just update. :-) I don't know how exactly works editor, but someone 
agree with format I give? (https://inkscape.org/en/paste/10565/)
It can be:
Nick Saporito @YouTube
Inkscape Explained < playlist link.
Inkscape Explained: Path Functions < video link
In this video I'll be going over the Path menu in Inkscape. :


On Thu, 2017-01-05 at 23:51 -0700, brynn wrote:


Another thought I had.  Video tutorial authors might be more inclined
to upload
videos, if they could upload small batches in one go, instead of one
at a time.
Would that be really hard to provide?



We really DO NOT want people uploading videos to the inkscape website.

We only want the video links. Video links can be added by anyone and I
wouldn't mind having a generic inkscape user to collect them all under
if we need to. Linking to videos is allowed by anyone.

The system is only a matter of cataloguing so we don't have to do so
much manual work. Esp for translations and updates.

Best Regards, Martin Owens

P.S. Maren, I should check to make sure that our pages don't say "by
Username" when the item is "I have permission" instead of "I own this
work"

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[brynn]

Hhm, well, as I said, I'm not much of a video watcher, and I don't understand a 
lot about it.

Could someone show me an example of a video that's in the gallery (but not 
uploaded, somehow) or linked in the gallery.  Just so that I can understand how 
it's supposed to work?

Thanks :-)

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On Thu, 2017-01-05 at 23:51 -0700, brynn wrote:
> Another thought I had.  Video tutorial authors might be more inclined
> to upload
> videos, if they could upload small batches in one go, instead of one
> at a time.
> Would that be really hard to provide?

We really DO NOT want people uploading videos to the inkscape website.

We only want the video links. Video links can be added by anyone and I
wouldn't mind having a generic inkscape user to collect them all under
if we need to. Linking to videos is allowed by anyone.

The system is only a matter of cataloguing so we don't have to do so
much manual work. Esp for translations and updates.

Best Regards, Martin Owens

P.S. Maren, I should check to make sure that our pages don't say "by
Username" when the item is "I have permission" instead of "I own this
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

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Hello,I was a little busy these days, sorry. :-) I'm too agree thatyou will not need upload all YouTube videos  to the gallery, but just update "Video Tutorials" with new tutorials, or entire redesign or delete this page, but maybe just update. :-) I don't know how exactly works editor, but someone agree with format I give? (https://inkscape.org/en/paste/10565/)It can be:Nick Saporito @YouTube    Inkscape Explained < playlist link.    Inkscape Explained: Path Functions < video link    In this video I'll be going over the Path menu in Inkscape.  ...with a lot black circles and black squares. :-)06.01.2017, 11:46, "Martin Owens" :On Thu, 2017-01-05 at 23:51 -0700, brynn wrote: Another thought I had.  Video tutorial authors might be more inclined to upload  videos, if they could upload small batches in one go, instead of one at a time.  Would that be really hard to provide?We really DO NOT want people uploading videos to the inkscape website.We only want the video links. Video links can be added by anyone and Iwouldn't mind having a generic inkscape user to collect them all underif we need to. Linking to videos is allowed by anyone.The system is only a matter of cataloguing so we don't have to do somuch manual work. Esp for translations and updates.Best Regards, Martin OwensP.S. Maren, I should check to make sure that our pages don't say "byUsername" when the item is "I have permission" instead of "I own thiswork"--Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most engaging tech sites, SlashDot.org! http://sdm.link/slashdot___Inkscape-docs mailing listInkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/inkscape-docs--
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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

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On Thu, 2017-01-05 at 23:51 -0700, brynn wrote:
> Another thought I had.  Video tutorial authors might be more inclined
> to upload 
> videos, if they could upload small batches in one go, instead of one
> at a time. 
> Would that be really hard to provide?

We really DO NOT want people uploading videos to the inkscape website.

We only want the video links. Video links can be added by anyone and I
wouldn't mind having a generic inkscape user to collect them all under
if we need to. Linking to videos is allowed by anyone.

The system is only a matter of cataloguing so we don't have to do so
much manual work. Esp for translations and updates.

Best Regards, Martin Owens

P.S. Maren, I should check to make sure that our pages don't say "by
Username" when the item is "I have permission" instead of "I own this
work"

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[brynn]

> I agree and would like to see the page replaced.

Replaced?  Reformatted?  Or just deleted?

While I agreed with getting rid of it eventually, earlier in the week, I've had 
a 2nd thought about it.  Once we've been able to contact tutorial authors, and 
invited them to upload their tutorials, I think we have to consider the fact 
that some will not be interested.  In the case of videos which are just really 
good and worthwhile, but the author doesn't want to upload, maybe it would be 
providing a service to users, to have those at least linked on that page.

I realize it's pretty ugly, at the moment.  But of course we can do better, at 
least for the short term, until the tutorials gallery grows.  I've been a bit 
under the weather myself, the last couple of days, so I need to touch base with 
Vardenis.

Another thought I had.  Video tutorial authors might be more inclined to upload 
videos, if they could upload small batches in one go, instead of one at a time. 
Would that be really hard to provide?

All best,
brynn

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Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 5:25 AM
To: Maren Hachmann ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Hi Guys,

I've been sick (and still am) so I'm trying to follow this thread as
best I can, if you still have questions, you can ask me like this: "A
question for Martin: Blah blah blah" and I'll hopefully see it.

> - I wouldn't mind if some day, someone would decommission that page
> entirely... It's not a beautiful page, and the gallery can do it just
> as well, only with search, tags, ordering by quality, pagination,
> commenting ...

I agree and would like to see the page replaced.

> I think that would be an improvement, and also make it easier for new
> videos to be added by their creators.

The idea of video embedding is really to collect resources and empower
non-admins to add content. Tutorial videos or svg images, the only
extra for videos is that they are links to a video site with a
thumbnail instead of the actual video file.

> But maybe that would be going too far?

Nope, well within reason.

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[Martin Owens]

Hi Guys,

I've been sick (and still am) so I'm trying to follow this thread as
best I can, if you still have questions, you can ask me like this: "A
question for Martin: Blah blah blah" and I'll hopefully see it.

> - I wouldn't mind if some day, someone would decommission that page
> entirely... It's not a beautiful page, and the gallery can do it just
> as well, only with search, tags, ordering by quality, pagination,
> commenting ...

I agree and would like to see the page replaced.

> I think that would be an improvement, and also make it easier for new
> videos to be added by their creators.

The idea of video embedding is really to collect resources and empower
non-admins to add content. Tutorial videos or svg images, the only
extra for videos is that they are links to a video site with a
thumbnail instead of the actual video file.

> But maybe that would be going too far?

Nope, well within reason.

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[brynn]

Well you guys have totally lost me.  Now we are back to the Video Tutorials 
page?  Maybe there were some messages that didn't go the list, and I didn't see 
them?

As I said before, it would be better for me just to have a list of the videos 
you want, and I'll try to find a good way to format the page.  We can always 
discuss it, if you don't like how I do it, until eventually we find a format to 
agree on.

Like for example, in the section of line 6 to line 11.  The website editor does 
not allow indenting like that.  I think that's why whoever last edited that 
page, it's full of bullets.

Possibly we could use a table to organize them?  It's been a while since I 
worked on a page on the website, and many changes have happened since then, 
with 
text styling and formatting.  So I'll have to experiment, and we can discuss as 
it goes.

Should we use the embedding link, like I showed in one example earlier?  Or 
just 
plain links, like it is already?

All best,
brynn

-Original Message- 
From: Vardenis Pavardenis
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 5:04 PM
To: Maren Hachmann ; brynn ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website


Great. :-) I'm made simple ideas how to layout list of tutorials in here: 
https://inkscape.org/en/paste/10565/
Brynn, it's good for you after full list is done? Maybe anyone comments about 
layout, ideas? :-)
Thanks. ;-)


04.01.2017, 00:55, "Maren Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de>:


Am 03.01.2017 um 23:50 schrieb Vardenis Pavardenis:


I'm thinking now about just editing this list, but Marten idea too
wonderful, but it's hard to achieve, but I try to contact some authors
of videos to upload videos in inkscape.org too.
Make list is a lot easer I think, and sure I can try (if it good, some
edit and update), about list I'm thinking first of all "Inkscape
Explained"
(https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLynG8gQD-n8Byyq30_FOq9ylUFL1nTkGC 
<https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLynG8gQD-n8Byyq30_FOq9ylUFL1nTkGC)>)
it's must know for all beginners(IMO), then some videos from beginner,
intermediate, logo design. how to draw from Sid Arts, game art/animation
from Chris Hildenbrand and if I found from others and paste (pastebin)
in here in format:
Author AuthorChannelUrl
with narration
VideoUrl
VideoDescription

I'm think I can do that (beta. :-))) in few days or less. Deal?



- Sounds wonderful to me :) I'm happy with any kind of update.

If you like, you can already have a think about how you would layout the
page. Brynn is right about the nested lists being not easy to look at.

Regards,
Maren



04.01.2017, 00:37, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:

So now you don't want to edit Video Tutorials page? Just so I'm clear
what's
happening.

Thanks,
brynn

-Original Message-
From: Vardenis Pavardenis
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 3:22 PM
To: Maren Hachmann ; brynn ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
<mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website


I Agree, it's better to contact to video authors and if authors agree
to upload
videos in website it would be wonderful and as Maren said in page Top
10 or
something. Than i try to contact YouTubers who create videos and
request that
they upload too videos in inkscape.org website. :-)


04.01.2017, 00:07, "Maren Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de
<mailto:ma...@goos-habermann.de>>:


Am 03.01.2017 um 23:02 schrieb brynn:


I think getting rid of that page would be fine, once I've had a chance
to contact all the tutorial authors (just like Neon22 is doing for
extensions) and we have a lot of tutorials loaded to the site. But
again, that's not something I can start on right away.



- But Vardenis could, and there's no urgency at all. I wonder if he
might prefer doing a task that will take the website forward, instead of
a short-term fix? We could select the top 10 or so videos, if we still
want to keep that page, then. It's much, much too long (and the field is
still open, no decision was made).



But for the short term, we can make the Video Tutorials page a little
more current, and look better too. I'm not sure where all those bullets
came from. I think someone else must have edited after I did (years ago)

But I'm still trying to understand what Martin meant.



- He might have meant both at the same time, in preparation for the
switch, not sure.

Maren



Thanks

-Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:54 PM
To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
<mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Am 03.01.2017 um 22:49 schrieb brynn:
I'm so confused! We were talking about editing the Video Tutorials
page. But
now we are putting them in the gallery?

- I wouldn't mind if some

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[Vardenis Pavardenis]

Currently in YouTube are 3-4 channels who creating videos about Inkcape, if I know all. :-)04.01.2017, 00:23, "Vardenis Pavardenis" <var...@yandex.com>:I Agree, it's better to contact to video authors and if authors agree to upload videos in website it would be wonderful and as Maren said in page Top 10 or something. Than i try to contact YouTubers who create videos and request that they upload too videos in inkscape.org website. :-)04.01.2017, 00:07, "Maren Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de>:Am 03.01.2017 um 23:02 schrieb brynn: I think getting rid of that page would be fine, once I've had a chance to contact all the tutorial authors (just like Neon22 is doing for extensions) and we have a lot of tutorials loaded to the site.  But again, that's not something I can start on right away.- But Vardenis could, and there's no urgency at all. I wonder if hemight prefer doing a task that will take the website forward, instead ofa short-term fix? We could select the top 10 or so videos, if we stillwant to keep that page, then. It's much, much too long (and the field isstill open, no decision was made). But for the short term, we can make the Video Tutorials page a little more current, and look better too.  I'm not sure where all those bullets came from. I think someone else must have edited after I did (years ago) But I'm still trying to understand what Martin meant.- He might have meant both at the same time, in preparation for theswitch, not sure.Maren Thanks -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:54 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website Am 03.01.2017 um 22:49 schrieb brynn: I'm so confused!  We were talking about editing the Video Tutorials page.  But now we are putting them in the gallery? - I wouldn't mind if some day, someone would decommission that page entirely... It's not a beautiful page, and the gallery can do it just as well, only with search, tags, ordering by quality, pagination, commenting ... I think that would be an improvement, and also make it easier for new videos to be added by their creators. But maybe that would be going too far? Regards, Maren -Original Message- From: Vardenis Pavardenis Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:47 PM To: brynn Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/upload/ Resource Name, Descriptin, External Link - In here YouTube Link as I understand. 03.01.2017, 23:45, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>: I don't understand what this means: - He was rather asking to post a link as a resource. Thanks -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:32 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website Am 03.01.2017 um 22:00 schrieb brynn: Hi Vardenis,  I think I understand what you mean. You're thinking it would be better not to mix up video and text tutorials, in the gallery? Well, they already are mixed up in the gallery (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/). However, you can choose to look at only text or only videos. See on the right column, where it says "textual" and "video", black buttons with white text?  Although I'm not sure if that works, if the author did not put such a tag when they uploaded?? Yeah, if you click on video, it's blank, as if there were no videos. Is it possible to manually add those tags, to the video tutorials? - Yes, they can be tagged just like any other item in the gallery. The tags on the right are the 'official' ones, just like it works for the extensions. (I'm addressing this reply to the list, since I have this question.)  But Martin is talking about something else, I think. He's asking to have the videos embedded on the Video Tutorials page. - He was rather asking to post a link as a resource. The embedding will work automatically. I haven't ever done that before, or seen it. So I'm not sure what it will look like.  I'll try an example, using one of the heathenex vids, because I know they have a free license. Then we can both see what it's going to look like. I'll do it in just a few minutes.  But I still wonder about taking just any YT video and embedding it. Are all YT videos automatically public domain? - Nope, most are 'Standard Youtube Licence'. Regards, Maren Thanks, brynn -Original Message- From: Vardenis Pavardenis Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:11 PM To: brynn Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website I'm thinking maybe better just add link's to article (Video Tutorials) and don't upload all this videos as resources in gallery, tutorials section (current video tutorials only link's), because in gallery, tutorials is more text based than videos, and I think if

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[Vardenis Pavardenis]

I Agree, it's better to contact to video authors and if authors agree to upload videos in website it would be wonderful and as Maren said in page Top 10 or something. Than i try to contact YouTubers who create videos and request that they upload too videos in inkscape.org website. :-)04.01.2017, 00:07, "Maren Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de>:Am 03.01.2017 um 23:02 schrieb brynn: I think getting rid of that page would be fine, once I've had a chance to contact all the tutorial authors (just like Neon22 is doing for extensions) and we have a lot of tutorials loaded to the site.  But again, that's not something I can start on right away.- But Vardenis could, and there's no urgency at all. I wonder if hemight prefer doing a task that will take the website forward, instead ofa short-term fix? We could select the top 10 or so videos, if we stillwant to keep that page, then. It's much, much too long (and the field isstill open, no decision was made). But for the short term, we can make the Video Tutorials page a little more current, and look better too.  I'm not sure where all those bullets came from. I think someone else must have edited after I did (years ago) But I'm still trying to understand what Martin meant.- He might have meant both at the same time, in preparation for theswitch, not sure.Maren Thanks -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:54 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website Am 03.01.2017 um 22:49 schrieb brynn: I'm so confused!  We were talking about editing the Video Tutorials page.  But now we are putting them in the gallery? - I wouldn't mind if some day, someone would decommission that page entirely... It's not a beautiful page, and the gallery can do it just as well, only with search, tags, ordering by quality, pagination, commenting ... I think that would be an improvement, and also make it easier for new videos to be added by their creators. But maybe that would be going too far? Regards, Maren -Original Message- From: Vardenis Pavardenis Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:47 PM To: brynn Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/upload/ Resource Name, Descriptin, External Link - In here YouTube Link as I understand. 03.01.2017, 23:45, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>: I don't understand what this means: - He was rather asking to post a link as a resource. Thanks -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:32 PM To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website Am 03.01.2017 um 22:00 schrieb brynn: Hi Vardenis,  I think I understand what you mean. You're thinking it would be better not to mix up video and text tutorials, in the gallery? Well, they already are mixed up in the gallery (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/). However, you can choose to look at only text or only videos. See on the right column, where it says "textual" and "video", black buttons with white text?  Although I'm not sure if that works, if the author did not put such a tag when they uploaded?? Yeah, if you click on video, it's blank, as if there were no videos. Is it possible to manually add those tags, to the video tutorials? - Yes, they can be tagged just like any other item in the gallery. The tags on the right are the 'official' ones, just like it works for the extensions. (I'm addressing this reply to the list, since I have this question.)  But Martin is talking about something else, I think. He's asking to have the videos embedded on the Video Tutorials page. - He was rather asking to post a link as a resource. The embedding will work automatically. I haven't ever done that before, or seen it. So I'm not sure what it will look like.  I'll try an example, using one of the heathenex vids, because I know they have a free license. Then we can both see what it's going to look like. I'll do it in just a few minutes.  But I still wonder about taking just any YT video and embedding it. Are all YT videos automatically public domain? - Nope, most are 'Standard Youtube Licence'. Regards, Maren Thanks, brynn -Original Message- From: Vardenis Pavardenis Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:11 PM To: brynn Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website I'm thinking maybe better just add link's to article (Video Tutorials) and don't upload all this videos as resources in gallery, tutorials section (current video tutorials only link's), because in gallery, tutorials is more text based than videos, and I think if I would start uploading videos to tutorials category (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/), it would become a bit of a mess and "Video Tutorials" categor

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[Maren Hachmann]

Am 03.01.2017 um 23:50 schrieb Vardenis Pavardenis:
> I'm thinking now about just editing this list, but Marten idea too
> wonderful, but it's hard to achieve, but I try to contact some authors
> of videos to upload videos in inkscape.org too.
> Make list is a lot easer I think, and sure I can try (if it good, some
> edit and update), about list I'm thinking first of all "Inkscape
> Explained"
> (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLynG8gQD-n8Byyq30_FOq9ylUFL1nTkGC 
> <https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLynG8gQD-n8Byyq30_FOq9ylUFL1nTkGC)>)
> it's must know for all beginners(IMO), then some videos from beginner,
> intermediate, logo design. how to draw from Sid Arts, game art/animation
> from Chris Hildenbrand and if I found from others and paste (pastebin)
> in here in format:
> Author AuthorChannelUrl
> with narration
> VideoUrl
> VideoDescription
> 
> I'm think I can do that (beta. :-))) in few days or less. Deal?

- Sounds wonderful to me :) I'm happy with any kind of update.

If you like, you can already have a think about how you would layout the
page. Brynn is right about the nested lists being not easy to look at.

Regards,
 Maren

> 04.01.2017, 00:37, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:
>>
>> So now you don't want to edit Video Tutorials page? Just so I'm clear
>> what's
>> happening.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> brynn
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Vardenis Pavardenis
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 3:22 PM
>> To: Maren Hachmann ; brynn ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
>> <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
>>
>>
>> I Agree, it's better to contact to video authors and if authors agree
>> to upload
>> videos in website it would be wonderful and as Maren said in page Top
>> 10 or
>> something. Than i try to contact YouTubers who create videos and
>> request that
>> they upload too videos in inkscape.org website. :-)
>>
>>
>> 04.01.2017, 00:07, "Maren Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de
>> <mailto:ma...@goos-habermann.de>>:
>>
>>
>> Am 03.01.2017 um 23:02 schrieb brynn:
>>
>>
>> I think getting rid of that page would be fine, once I've had a chance
>> to contact all the tutorial authors (just like Neon22 is doing for
>> extensions) and we have a lot of tutorials loaded to the site. But
>> again, that's not something I can start on right away.
>>
>>
>>
>> - But Vardenis could, and there's no urgency at all. I wonder if he
>> might prefer doing a task that will take the website forward, instead of
>> a short-term fix? We could select the top 10 or so videos, if we still
>> want to keep that page, then. It's much, much too long (and the field is
>> still open, no decision was made).
>>
>>
>>
>> But for the short term, we can make the Video Tutorials page a little
>> more current, and look better too. I'm not sure where all those bullets
>> came from. I think someone else must have edited after I did (years ago)
>>
>> But I'm still trying to understand what Martin meant.
>>
>>
>>
>> - He might have meant both at the same time, in preparation for the
>> switch, not sure.
>>
>> Maren
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:54 PM
>> To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
>> <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
>>
>> Am 03.01.2017 um 22:49 schrieb brynn:
>> I'm so confused! We were talking about editing the Video Tutorials
>> page. But
>> now we are putting them in the gallery?
>>
>> - I wouldn't mind if some day, someone would decommission that page
>> entirely... It's not a beautiful page, and the gallery can do it just as
>> well, only with search, tags, ordering by quality, pagination,
>> commenting ...
>>
>> I think that would be an improvement, and also make it easier for new
>> videos to be added by their creators.
>>
>> But maybe that would be going too far?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Maren
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Vardenis Pavardenis
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:47 PM
>> To: brynn
>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
>>
>>
>> https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/upload/ Resource Name, Descriptin,
&g

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[brynn]

So now you don't want to edit Video Tutorials page?  Just so I'm clear what's 
happening.

Thanks,
brynn

-Original Message- 
From: Vardenis Pavardenis
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 3:22 PM
To: Maren Hachmann ; brynn ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website


I Agree, it's better to contact to video authors and if authors agree to upload 
videos in website it would be wonderful and as Maren said in page Top 10 or 
something. Than i try to contact YouTubers who create videos and request that 
they upload too videos in inkscape.org website. :-)


04.01.2017, 00:07, "Maren Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de>:


Am 03.01.2017 um 23:02 schrieb brynn:


I think getting rid of that page would be fine, once I've had a chance
to contact all the tutorial authors (just like Neon22 is doing for
extensions) and we have a lot of tutorials loaded to the site. But
again, that's not something I can start on right away.



- But Vardenis could, and there's no urgency at all. I wonder if he
might prefer doing a task that will take the website forward, instead of
a short-term fix? We could select the top 10 or so videos, if we still
want to keep that page, then. It's much, much too long (and the field is
still open, no decision was made).



But for the short term, we can make the Video Tutorials page a little
more current, and look better too. I'm not sure where all those bullets
came from. I think someone else must have edited after I did (years ago)

But I'm still trying to understand what Martin meant.



- He might have meant both at the same time, in preparation for the
switch, not sure.

Maren



Thanks

-Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:54 PM
To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Am 03.01.2017 um 22:49 schrieb brynn:
I'm so confused! We were talking about editing the Video Tutorials
page. But
now we are putting them in the gallery?

- I wouldn't mind if some day, someone would decommission that page
entirely... It's not a beautiful page, and the gallery can do it just as
well, only with search, tags, ordering by quality, pagination,
commenting ...

I think that would be an improvement, and also make it easier for new
videos to be added by their creators.

But maybe that would be going too far?

Regards,
Maren

-Original Message- From: Vardenis Pavardenis
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:47 PM
To: brynn
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website


https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/upload/ Resource Name, Descriptin,
External
Link - In here YouTube Link as I understand.


03.01.2017, 23:45, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:


I don't understand what this means:



- He was rather asking to post a link as a resource.



Thanks

-Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:32 PM
To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Am 03.01.2017 um 22:00 schrieb brynn:


Hi Vardenis,
  I think I understand what you mean. You're thinking it would be
better
not to mix up video and text tutorials, in the gallery? Well, they
already
are
mixed up in the gallery (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/).
However,
you can choose to look at only text or only videos. See on the right
column,
where it says "textual" and "video", black buttons with white text?
  Although I'm not sure if that works, if the author did not
put such a
tag when they uploaded?? Yeah, if you click on video, it's blank, as
if there
were no videos. Is it possible to manually add those tags, to the video
tutorials?



- Yes, they can be tagged just like any other item in the gallery. The
tags on the right are the 'official' ones, just like it works for the
extensions.

(I'm addressing this reply to the list, since I have this question.)


  But Martin is talking about something else, I think. He's
asking to
have the videos embedded on the Video Tutorials page.



- He was rather asking to post a link as a resource. The embedding will
work automatically.



I haven't ever done that
before, or seen it. So I'm not sure what it will look like.
  I'll try an example, using one of the heathenex vids, because
I know
they have a free license. Then we can both see what it's going to look
like.
I'll do it in just a few minutes.
  But I still wonder about taking just any YT video and
embedding it.
Are
all YT videos automatically public domain?



- Nope, most are 'Standard Youtube Licence'.

Regards,
Maren




Thanks,
brynn

-Original Message- From: Vardenis Pavardenis
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:11 PM
To: brynn
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website


I

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[brynn]

I asked Vardenis if he wanted to make the edits himself, and I explained about 
the wysiwyg editor.  He said he didn't want to, but he would be glad to make a 
list of some more current videos to put on that page.  And I said sure, I don't 
mind updating the page.

All of that might not have made it to the list, because he was always replying 
just to me.  I tried to reply to the list, so maybe it's in a message, but is 
further below the current reply.

I don't care if anyone wants to take on the project.  Here's the feature 
description:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape-web/+bug/1603669.  It's just 
that I've already contacted all the tutorial authors, when I made the page, and 
it would be easy for me to contact them again.  But if someone else wants to do 
it, that's fine with me.

brynn


-Original Message- 
From: Maren Hachmann
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 3:07 PM
To: brynn ; inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net ; Vardenis Pavardenis
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Am 03.01.2017 um 23:02 schrieb brynn:
> I think getting rid of that page would be fine, once I've had a chance
> to contact all the tutorial authors (just like Neon22 is doing for
> extensions) and we have a lot of tutorials loaded to the site.  But
> again, that's not something I can start on right away.

- But Vardenis could, and there's no urgency at all. I wonder if he
might prefer doing a task that will take the website forward, instead of
a short-term fix? We could select the top 10 or so videos, if we still
want to keep that page, then. It's much, much too long (and the field is
still open, no decision was made).

> But for the short term, we can make the Video Tutorials page a little
> more current, and look better too.  I'm not sure where all those bullets
> came from. I think someone else must have edited after I did (years ago)
>
> But I'm still trying to understand what Martin meant.

- He might have meant both at the same time, in preparation for the
switch, not sure.

Maren

> Thanks
>
> -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:54 PM
> To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
>
> Am 03.01.2017 um 22:49 schrieb brynn:
>> I'm so confused!  We were talking about editing the Video Tutorials
>> page.  But
>> now we are putting them in the gallery?
>
> - I wouldn't mind if some day, someone would decommission that page
> entirely... It's not a beautiful page, and the gallery can do it just as
> well, only with search, tags, ordering by quality, pagination,
> commenting ...
>
> I think that would be an improvement, and also make it easier for new
> videos to be added by their creators.
>
> But maybe that would be going too far?
>
> Regards,
> Maren
>
>> -----Original Message- From: Vardenis Pavardenis
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:47 PM
>> To: brynn
>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
>>
>>
>> https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/upload/ Resource Name, Descriptin,
>> External
>> Link - In here YouTube Link as I understand.
>>
>>
>> 03.01.2017, 23:45, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:
>>
>>
>> I don't understand what this means:
>>
>>
>>
>> - He was rather asking to post a link as a resource.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:32 PM
>> To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
>>
>> Am 03.01.2017 um 22:00 schrieb brynn:
>>
>>
>> Hi Vardenis,
>>  I think I understand what you mean. You're thinking it would be
>> better
>> not to mix up video and text tutorials, in the gallery? Well, they
>> already
>> are
>> mixed up in the gallery (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/).
>> However,
>> you can choose to look at only text or only videos. See on the right
>> column,
>> where it says "textual" and "video", black buttons with white text?
>>  Although I'm not sure if that works, if the author did not
>> put such a
>> tag when they uploaded?? Yeah, if you click on video, it's blank, as
>> if there
>> were no videos. Is it possible to manually add those tags, to the video
>> tutorials?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Yes, they can be tagged just like any other item in the gallery. The
>> tags on the right are the 'official' ones, just like it works for the
>> extens

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[Maren Hachmann]

Am 03.01.2017 um 23:02 schrieb brynn:
> I think getting rid of that page would be fine, once I've had a chance
> to contact all the tutorial authors (just like Neon22 is doing for
> extensions) and we have a lot of tutorials loaded to the site.  But
> again, that's not something I can start on right away.

- But Vardenis could, and there's no urgency at all. I wonder if he
might prefer doing a task that will take the website forward, instead of
a short-term fix? We could select the top 10 or so videos, if we still
want to keep that page, then. It's much, much too long (and the field is
still open, no decision was made).

> But for the short term, we can make the Video Tutorials page a little
> more current, and look better too.  I'm not sure where all those bullets
> came from. I think someone else must have edited after I did (years ago)
> 
> But I'm still trying to understand what Martin meant.

- He might have meant both at the same time, in preparation for the
switch, not sure.

Maren

> Thanks
> 
> -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:54 PM
> To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
> 
> Am 03.01.2017 um 22:49 schrieb brynn:
>> I'm so confused!  We were talking about editing the Video Tutorials
>> page.  But
>> now we are putting them in the gallery?
> 
> - I wouldn't mind if some day, someone would decommission that page
> entirely... It's not a beautiful page, and the gallery can do it just as
> well, only with search, tags, ordering by quality, pagination,
> commenting ...
> 
> I think that would be an improvement, and also make it easier for new
> videos to be added by their creators.
> 
> But maybe that would be going too far?
> 
> Regards,
> Maren
> 
>> -Original Message- From: Vardenis Pavardenis
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:47 PM
>> To: brynn
>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
>>
>>
>> https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/upload/ Resource Name, Descriptin,
>> External
>> Link - In here YouTube Link as I understand.
>>
>>
>> 03.01.2017, 23:45, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:
>>
>>
>> I don't understand what this means:
>>
>>
>>
>> - He was rather asking to post a link as a resource.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:32 PM
>> To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
>>
>> Am 03.01.2017 um 22:00 schrieb brynn:
>>
>>
>> Hi Vardenis,
>>  I think I understand what you mean. You're thinking it would be
>> better
>> not to mix up video and text tutorials, in the gallery? Well, they
>> already
>> are
>> mixed up in the gallery (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/).
>> However,
>> you can choose to look at only text or only videos. See on the right
>> column,
>> where it says "textual" and "video", black buttons with white text?
>>  Although I'm not sure if that works, if the author did not
>> put such a
>> tag when they uploaded?? Yeah, if you click on video, it's blank, as
>> if there
>> were no videos. Is it possible to manually add those tags, to the video
>> tutorials?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Yes, they can be tagged just like any other item in the gallery. The
>> tags on the right are the 'official' ones, just like it works for the
>> extensions.
>>
>> (I'm addressing this reply to the list, since I have this question.)
>>
>>
>>  But Martin is talking about something else, I think. He's
>> asking to
>> have the videos embedded on the Video Tutorials page.
>>
>>
>>
>> - He was rather asking to post a link as a resource. The embedding will
>> work automatically.
>>
>>
>>
>> I haven't ever done that
>> before, or seen it. So I'm not sure what it will look like.
>>      I'll try an example, using one of the heathenex vids, because
>> I know
>> they have a free license. Then we can both see what it's going to look
>> like.
>> I'll do it in just a few minutes.
>>  But I still wonder about taking just any YT video and
>> embedding it.
>> Are
>> all YT videos automatically public domain?
>>
>>
>>
>> - Nope, most are 'Standard Youtube Licence'.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Maren

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[brynn]

I think getting rid of that page would be fine, once I've had a chance to 
contact all the tutorial authors (just like Neon22 is doing for extensions) and 
we have a lot of tutorials loaded to the site.  But again, that's not something 
I can start on right away.

But for the short term, we can make the Video Tutorials page a little more 
current, and look better too.  I'm not sure where all those bullets came from. 
I think someone else must have edited after I did (years ago)

But I'm still trying to understand what Martin meant.

Thanks

-Original Message- 
From: Maren Hachmann
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:54 PM
To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Am 03.01.2017 um 22:49 schrieb brynn:
> I'm so confused!  We were talking about editing the Video Tutorials page.  But
> now we are putting them in the gallery?

- I wouldn't mind if some day, someone would decommission that page
entirely... It's not a beautiful page, and the gallery can do it just as
well, only with search, tags, ordering by quality, pagination,
commenting ...

I think that would be an improvement, and also make it easier for new
videos to be added by their creators.

But maybe that would be going too far?

Regards,
Maren

> -Original Message- 
> From: Vardenis Pavardenis
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:47 PM
> To: brynn
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
>
>
> https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/upload/ Resource Name, Descriptin, External
> Link - In here YouTube Link as I understand.
>
>
> 03.01.2017, 23:45, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:
>
>
> I don't understand what this means:
>
>
>
> - He was rather asking to post a link as a resource.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Maren Hachmann
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:32 PM
> To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
>
> Am 03.01.2017 um 22:00 schrieb brynn:
>
>
> Hi Vardenis,
>  I think I understand what you mean. You're thinking it would be
> better
> not to mix up video and text tutorials, in the gallery? Well, they already
> are
> mixed up in the gallery (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/).
> However,
> you can choose to look at only text or only videos. See on the right column,
> where it says "textual" and "video", black buttons with white text?
>  Although I'm not sure if that works, if the author did not put such a
> tag when they uploaded?? Yeah, if you click on video, it's blank, as if there
> were no videos. Is it possible to manually add those tags, to the video
> tutorials?
>
>
>
> - Yes, they can be tagged just like any other item in the gallery. The
> tags on the right are the 'official' ones, just like it works for the
> extensions.
>
> (I'm addressing this reply to the list, since I have this question.)
>
>
>  But Martin is talking about something else, I think. He's asking to
> have the videos embedded on the Video Tutorials page.
>
>
>
> - He was rather asking to post a link as a resource. The embedding will
> work automatically.
>
>
>
> I haven't ever done that
> before, or seen it. So I'm not sure what it will look like.
>  I'll try an example, using one of the heathenex vids, because I know
> they have a free license. Then we can both see what it's going to look like.
> I'll do it in just a few minutes.
>  But I still wonder about taking just any YT video and embedding it.
> Are
> all YT videos automatically public domain?
>
>
>
> - Nope, most are 'Standard Youtube Licence'.
>
> Regards,
> Maren
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> brynn
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Vardenis Pavardenis
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:11 PM
> To: brynn
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
>
>
> I'm thinking maybe better just add link's to article (Video Tutorials) and
> don't
> upload all this videos as resources in gallery, tutorials section (current
> video
> tutorials only link's), because in gallery, tutorials is more text based than
> videos, and I think if I would start uploading videos to tutorials category
> (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/), it would become a bit of a mess
> and "Video Tutorials" category in websites loss of sense. What do you thinks?
>
> Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks.
>
>
> 03.01.2017, 21:45, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:
>
>
> First I should say that I'm not a frequent YT user or video wa

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[brynn]

> Or even invite
them to upload them themselves, so they're linked to their own user
account at inkscape.org,

That's my long term plan, for all the tutorials I have listed on my site.  But 
I 
can't start on that now.  Vardenis wanted to put more current tutorials on the 
Video Tutorials page.  And I don't mind doing that right now, because it won't 
take very long.

But I remain confused about what Martin wants.

Thanks,
brynn

-Original Message- 
From: Maren Hachmann
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:49 PM
To: Vardenis Pavardenis ; Inkscape-Docs
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Vardenis, can you please reply to the list? Depending on your email
program, there are different ways to accomplish that, e.g. 'reply to
all' is available for me, but you may need to paste the list into the
address line yourself.

Embedding should be okay, though - but you can ask Nick and heathenx and
whoever you would like to include if they agree first. Or even invite
them to upload them themselves, so they're linked to their own user
account at inkscape.org, and can serve as some kind of 'entry point' for
publicity for them. It might be that they're not too happy, if we put
all their videos on the website, because it could be they generate
income via their youtube pages... Asking is always nicer, in any case.

Regards,
Maren

Am 03.01.2017 um 22:44 schrieb Vardenis Pavardenis:
> Yes, Maren I'm think explains what Martin thought. (my English... :-()
> Most of videos are in "Standard YouTube License" then it can't be
> uploaded as resource in gallery. (Nick Soporito, even heathenxyt using.).
>
>
> 03.01.2017, 23:38, "Maren Hachmann" <ma...@goos-habermann.de>:
>>
>> Am 03.01.2017 um 22:33 schrieb brynn:
>>
>>  Oh, hi Maren :-)
>>
>>  Did I do it right? Please look at text link
>>  "Inkscape-screencast2-Globe" which is the first under "with
>> narration"
>>  for Richard Querin.
>>
>>  Or did he mean to put it in the gallery, and I misunderstood?
>>
>>
>> - Yes :)
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  brynn
>>
>>  -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann
>>  Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:29 PM
>>  To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
>> <mailto:inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net>
>>  Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
>> website
>>
>>  Am 03.01.2017 um 20:45 schrieb brynn:
>>
>>  First I should say that I'm not a frequent YT user or video
>> watcher.
>>  Is there
>>  no copyright issue, to just grab a video and upload it?
>>
>>
>>  - Martin meant 'upload a link as a resource to the website' when he
>>  wrote 'upload'. Linking should be allowed in this case :) (standard
>>  youtube licence, I expect).
>>
>>  Regards,
>>  Maren
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  brynn
>>
>>  -Original Message- From: Martin Owens
>>  Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 9:49 PM
>>  To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis
>>  Cc: Inkscape-Docs
>>  Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section
>> in website
>>
>>  Don't forget to upload each of the videos into the website,
>> if you add
>>  the youtube video as the URL link it will embed the video and
>> you can
>>  add text and other important information like the license (if
>> there is
>>  one).
>>
>>  This way videos can be collected onto these tutorial pages
>> using the
>>  gallery widgets.
>>
>>  Martin,
>>
>>  On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 16:02 -0700, brynn wrote:
>>
>>  No need to create a page. But if you want to make a list of
>>  tutorials, with a
>>  link to each one, I'll be glad to add them to that page.
>>     That page
>>      needs some
>>      attention besides current videos, too. I'm not sure how
>> it got to be
>>  organized
>>  like it is, but I'm sure we could eliminate a lot of bullets.
>>
>>  Thanks for your help,
>>  brynn
>>
>>  -Original Message- From: Vardenis Pavardenis
>>  Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:40 PM
>>  To: brynn
>>  Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update &quo

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[Maren Hachmann]

Am 03.01.2017 um 22:49 schrieb brynn:
> I'm so confused!  We were talking about editing the Video Tutorials page.  
> But 
> now we are putting them in the gallery?

- I wouldn't mind if some day, someone would decommission that page
entirely... It's not a beautiful page, and the gallery can do it just as
well, only with search, tags, ordering by quality, pagination,
commenting ...

I think that would be an improvement, and also make it easier for new
videos to be added by their creators.

But maybe that would be going too far?

Regards,
 Maren

> -Original Message- 
> From: Vardenis Pavardenis
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:47 PM
> To: brynn
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
> 
> 
> https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/upload/ Resource Name, Descriptin, External 
> Link - In here YouTube Link as I understand.
> 
> 
> 03.01.2017, 23:45, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:
> 
> 
> I don't understand what this means:
> 
> 
> 
> - He was rather asking to post a link as a resource.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Maren Hachmann
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:32 PM
> To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
> 
> Am 03.01.2017 um 22:00 schrieb brynn:
> 
> 
> Hi Vardenis,
>  I think I understand what you mean. You're thinking it would be
> better
> not to mix up video and text tutorials, in the gallery? Well, they already
> are
> mixed up in the gallery (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/).
> However,
> you can choose to look at only text or only videos. See on the right column,
> where it says "textual" and "video", black buttons with white text?
>  Although I'm not sure if that works, if the author did not put such a
> tag when they uploaded?? Yeah, if you click on video, it's blank, as if there
> were no videos. Is it possible to manually add those tags, to the video
> tutorials?
> 
> 
> 
> - Yes, they can be tagged just like any other item in the gallery. The
> tags on the right are the 'official' ones, just like it works for the
> extensions.
> 
> (I'm addressing this reply to the list, since I have this question.)
> 
> 
>  But Martin is talking about something else, I think. He's asking to
> have the videos embedded on the Video Tutorials page.
> 
> 
> 
> - He was rather asking to post a link as a resource. The embedding will
> work automatically.
> 
> 
> 
> I haven't ever done that
> before, or seen it. So I'm not sure what it will look like.
>  I'll try an example, using one of the heathenex vids, because I know
> they have a free license. Then we can both see what it's going to look like.
> I'll do it in just a few minutes.
>  But I still wonder about taking just any YT video and embedding it.
> Are
> all YT videos automatically public domain?
> 
> 
> 
> - Nope, most are 'Standard Youtube Licence'.
> 
> Regards,
> Maren
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> brynn
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Vardenis Pavardenis
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:11 PM
> To: brynn
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
> 
> 
> I'm thinking maybe better just add link's to article (Video Tutorials) and
> don't
> upload all this videos as resources in gallery, tutorials section (current
> video
> tutorials only link's), because in gallery, tutorials is more text based than
> videos, and I think if I would start uploading videos to tutorials category
> (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/), it would become a bit of a mess
> and "Video Tutorials" category in websites loss of sense. What do you thinks?
> 
> Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks.
> 
> 
> 03.01.2017, 21:45, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:
> 
> 
> First I should say that I'm not a frequent YT user or video watcher. Is there
> no copyright issue, to just grab a video and upload it?
> 
> Thanks,
> brynn
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Martin Owens
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 9:49 PM
> To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis
> Cc: Inkscape-Docs
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
> 
> Don't forget to upload each of the videos into the website, if you add
> the youtube video as the URL link it will embed the video and you can
> add text and other important information like the license (if there is
> one).
> 
> This way videos can be collected onto these tutorial pages using the
> gallery widgets.
>

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[brynn]

I'm so confused!  We were talking about editing the Video Tutorials page.  But 
now we are putting them in the gallery?

-Original Message- 
From: Vardenis Pavardenis
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:47 PM
To: brynn
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website


https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/upload/ Resource Name, Descriptin, External 
Link - In here YouTube Link as I understand.


03.01.2017, 23:45, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:


I don't understand what this means:



- He was rather asking to post a link as a resource.



Thanks

-Original Message- 
From: Maren Hachmann
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:32 PM
To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Am 03.01.2017 um 22:00 schrieb brynn:


Hi Vardenis,
 I think I understand what you mean. You're thinking it would be
better
not to mix up video and text tutorials, in the gallery? Well, they already
are
mixed up in the gallery (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/).
However,
you can choose to look at only text or only videos. See on the right column,
where it says "textual" and "video", black buttons with white text?
 Although I'm not sure if that works, if the author did not put such a
tag when they uploaded?? Yeah, if you click on video, it's blank, as if there
were no videos. Is it possible to manually add those tags, to the video
tutorials?



- Yes, they can be tagged just like any other item in the gallery. The
tags on the right are the 'official' ones, just like it works for the
extensions.

(I'm addressing this reply to the list, since I have this question.)


 But Martin is talking about something else, I think. He's asking to
have the videos embedded on the Video Tutorials page.



- He was rather asking to post a link as a resource. The embedding will
work automatically.



I haven't ever done that
before, or seen it. So I'm not sure what it will look like.
 I'll try an example, using one of the heathenex vids, because I know
they have a free license. Then we can both see what it's going to look like.
I'll do it in just a few minutes.
 But I still wonder about taking just any YT video and embedding it.
Are
all YT videos automatically public domain?



- Nope, most are 'Standard Youtube Licence'.

Regards,
Maren




Thanks,
brynn

-Original Message- 
From: Vardenis Pavardenis
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:11 PM
To: brynn
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website


I'm thinking maybe better just add link's to article (Video Tutorials) and
don't
upload all this videos as resources in gallery, tutorials section (current
video
tutorials only link's), because in gallery, tutorials is more text based than
videos, and I think if I would start uploading videos to tutorials category
(https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/), it would become a bit of a mess
and "Video Tutorials" category in websites loss of sense. What do you thinks?

Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks.


03.01.2017, 21:45, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:


First I should say that I'm not a frequent YT user or video watcher. Is there
no copyright issue, to just grab a video and upload it?

Thanks,
brynn

-Original Message- 
From: Martin Owens
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 9:49 PM
To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis
Cc: Inkscape-Docs
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Don't forget to upload each of the videos into the website, if you add
the youtube video as the URL link it will embed the video and you can
add text and other important information like the license (if there is
one).

This way videos can be collected onto these tutorial pages using the
gallery widgets.

Martin,

On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 16:02 -0700, brynn wrote:


No need to create a page. But if you want to make a list of
tutorials, with a
link to each one, I'll be glad to add them to that page. That page
needs some
attention besides current videos, too. I'm not sure how it got to be
organized
like it is, but I'm sure we could eliminate a lot of bullets.

Thanks for your help,
brynn

-Original Message----- 
From: Vardenis Pavardenis
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:40 PM
To: brynn
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
website


No, no (I don't have permissions and maybe someone don't agree with
me). I'm not
editing, I'm only discuss for now about "Video Tutorials" section,
and I'm
thinking Nick Saporito, Chris Hildenbrand, Sids Art tutorials can be
more
helpful than now tutorials in Video Tutorial section.
I can try (In text editor) create page with format familiar to the
current with
new video tutorials from above authors and share here. :-)


02.01.2017, 21:26, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:


Hi Vardenis,

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[brynn]

I don't understand what this means:

> - He was rather asking to post a link as a resource.

Thanks

-Original Message- 
From: Maren Hachmann
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:32 PM
To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Am 03.01.2017 um 22:00 schrieb brynn:
> Hi Vardenis,
> I think I understand what you mean.  You're thinking it would be 
> better
> not to mix up video and text tutorials, in the gallery?  Well, they already 
> are
> mixed up in the gallery (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/). 
> However,
> you can choose to look at only text or only videos.  See on the right column,
> where it says "textual" and "video", black buttons with white text?
> Although I'm not sure if that works, if the author did not put such a
> tag when they uploaded??  Yeah, if you click on video, it's blank, as if there
> were no videos.  Is it possible to manually add those tags, to the video
> tutorials?

- Yes, they can be tagged just like any other item in the gallery. The
tags on the right are the 'official' ones, just like it works for the
extensions.

(I'm addressing this reply to the list, since I have this question.)
> But Martin is talking about something else, I think.  He's asking to
> have the videos embedded on the Video Tutorials page.

- He was rather asking to post a link as a resource. The embedding will
work automatically.

> I haven't ever done that
> before, or seen it.  So I'm not sure what it will look like.
> I'll try an example, using one of the heathenex vids, because I know
> they have a free license.  Then we can both see what it's going to look like.
> I'll do it in just a few minutes.
> But I still wonder about taking just any YT video and embedding it. 
> Are
> all YT videos automatically public domain?

- Nope, most are 'Standard Youtube Licence'.

Regards,
Maren

>
> Thanks,
> brynn
>
> -Original Message----- 
> From: Vardenis Pavardenis
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:11 PM
> To: brynn
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
>
>
> I'm thinking maybe better just add link's to article (Video Tutorials) and 
> don't
> upload all this videos as resources in gallery, tutorials section (current 
> video
> tutorials only link's), because in gallery, tutorials is more text based than
> videos, and I think if I would start uploading videos to tutorials category
> (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/), it would become a bit of a mess
> and "Video Tutorials" category in websites loss of sense. What do you thinks?
>
> Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks.
>
>
> 03.01.2017, 21:45, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:
>
>
> First I should say that I'm not a frequent YT user or video watcher. Is there
> no copyright issue, to just grab a video and upload it?
>
> Thanks,
> brynn
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Martin Owens
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 9:49 PM
> To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis
> Cc: Inkscape-Docs
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
>
> Don't forget to upload each of the videos into the website, if you add
> the youtube video as the URL link it will embed the video and you can
> add text and other important information like the license (if there is
> one).
>
> This way videos can be collected onto these tutorial pages using the
> gallery widgets.
>
> Martin,
>
> On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 16:02 -0700, brynn wrote:
>
>
> No need to create a page. But if you want to make a list of
> tutorials, with a
> link to each one, I'll be glad to add them to that page. That page
> needs some
> attention besides current videos, too. I'm not sure how it got to be
> organized
> like it is, but I'm sure we could eliminate a lot of bullets.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> brynn
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Vardenis Pavardenis
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:40 PM
> To: brynn
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
> website
>
>
> No, no (I don't have permissions and maybe someone don't agree with
> me). I'm not
> editing, I'm only discuss for now about "Video Tutorials" section,
> and I'm
> thinking Nick Saporito, Chris Hildenbrand, Sids Art tutorials can be
> more
> helpful than now tutorials in Video Tutorial section.
> I can try (In text editor) create page with format familiar to the
> current with
> new video tutorials from above authors and share here. :-)
>
>
> 02.01.2017, 21:26, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:
>

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[Maren Hachmann]

Am 03.01.2017 um 22:33 schrieb brynn:
> Oh, hi Maren  :-)
> 
> Did I do it right?  Please look at text link
> "Inkscape-screencast2-Globe" which is the first under "with narration"
> for Richard Querin.
> 
> Or did he mean to put it in the gallery, and I misunderstood?

- Yes :)

> Thanks,
> brynn
> 
> -Original Message- From: Maren Hachmann
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 2:29 PM
> To: inkscape-docs@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
> 
> Am 03.01.2017 um 20:45 schrieb brynn:
>> First I should say that I'm not a frequent YT user or video watcher. 
>> Is there
>> no copyright issue, to just grab a video and upload it?
> 
> - Martin meant 'upload a link as a resource to the website' when he
> wrote 'upload'. Linking should be allowed in this case :) (standard
> youtube licence, I expect).
> 
> Regards,
> Maren
> 
>> Thanks,
>> brynn
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Martin Owens
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 9:49 PM
>> To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis
>> Cc: Inkscape-Docs
>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
>>
>> Don't forget to upload each of the videos into the website, if you add
>> the youtube video as the URL link it will embed the video and you can
>> add text and other important information like the license (if there is
>> one).
>>
>> This way videos can be collected onto these tutorial pages using the
>> gallery widgets.
>>
>> Martin,
>>
>> On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 16:02 -0700, brynn wrote:
>>> No need to create a page.  But if you want to make a list of
>>> tutorials, with a
>>> link to each one, I'll be glad to add them to that page.  That page
>>> needs some
>>> attention besides current videos, too.  I'm not sure how it got to be
>>> organized
>>> like it is, but I'm sure we could eliminate a lot of bullets.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help,
>>> brynn
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Vardenis Pavardenis
>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:40 PM
>>> To: brynn
>>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
>>> website
>>>
>>>
>>> No, no (I don't have permissions and maybe someone don't agree with
>>> me). I'm not
>>> editing, I'm only discuss for now about "Video Tutorials" section,
>>> and I'm
>>> thinking Nick Saporito, Chris Hildenbrand, Sids Art tutorials can be
>>> more
>>> helpful than now tutorials in Video Tutorial section.
>>> I can try (In text editor) create page with format familiar to the
>>> current with
>>> new video tutorials from above authors and share here. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> 02.01.2017, 21:26, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Vardenis,
>>> Yes, Nick Saporito has very quickly compiled a huge amount of
>>> Inkscape
>>> tutorials! I think that now, they aren't quite as good as when he
>>> first
>>> started. Goes a little too fast now. And it drives me crazy that he
>>> ALWAYS
>>> calls the Selection tool, "the arrow tool". Even after I mentioned
>>> it, he still
>>> keeps saying it. But still, they are a free resource, and I think
>>> they are
>>> helpful for a LOT of Inkscape users.
>>> Chris Hildenbrand's tutorials are mostly text tutorials. I
>>> think only a
>>> few are videos. Unless recently he's started using videos? But yes,
>>> very good!
>>> I haven't heard of Sids Art. I'll follow your link and check
>>> it out.
>>> Yes, those would certainly help to make the Video Tutorials
>>> page more
>>> current. I didn't understand you though. Did you mean to say that you
>>> are
>>> going to edit that page? If you want to help with the Inkscape
>>> project, and
>>> edit that page, we can give you permissions to edit the website.
>>>
>>> All best,
>>> brynn
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Vardenis Pavardenis
>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 11:55 AM
>>> To: brynn
>>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
>>> website
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello, Brynn,
>>> Thanks for you website, it is amazing! And really try to help wit

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[Maren Hachmann]

Am 03.01.2017 um 22:25 schrieb brynn:
> Ok, Vardenis, click on the text link "Inkscape-screencast2-Globe", on the 
> Video 
> Tutorials page.  It's the first one under "with narration" for Richard Querin.
> 
> And Martin, is that what you meant?

- Is this something that requires translation? Or will we wait until
it's complete?

Maren

> Thanks,
> brynn
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Martin Owens
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 9:49 PM
> To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis
> Cc: Inkscape-Docs
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
> 
> Don't forget to upload each of the videos into the website, if you add
> the youtube video as the URL link it will embed the video and you can
> add text and other important information like the license (if there is
> one).
> 
> This way videos can be collected onto these tutorial pages using the
> gallery widgets.
> 
> Martin,
> 
> On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 16:02 -0700, brynn wrote:
>> No need to create a page.  But if you want to make a list of
>> tutorials, with a
>> link to each one, I'll be glad to add them to that page.  That page
>> needs some
>> attention besides current videos, too.  I'm not sure how it got to be
>> organized
>> like it is, but I'm sure we could eliminate a lot of bullets.
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>> brynn
>>
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Vardenis Pavardenis
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:40 PM
>> To: brynn
>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
>> website
>>
>>
>> No, no (I don't have permissions and maybe someone don't agree with
>> me). I'm not
>> editing, I'm only discuss for now about "Video Tutorials" section,
>> and I'm
>> thinking Nick Saporito, Chris Hildenbrand, Sids Art tutorials can be
>> more
>> helpful than now tutorials in Video Tutorial section.
>> I can try (In text editor) create page with format familiar to the
>> current with
>> new video tutorials from above authors and share here. :-)
>>
>>
>> 02.01.2017, 21:26, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:
>>
>>
>> Hi Vardenis,
>> Yes, Nick Saporito has very quickly compiled a huge amount of
>> Inkscape
>> tutorials! I think that now, they aren't quite as good as when he
>> first
>> started. Goes a little too fast now. And it drives me crazy that he
>> ALWAYS
>> calls the Selection tool, "the arrow tool". Even after I mentioned
>> it, he still
>> keeps saying it. But still, they are a free resource, and I think
>> they are
>> helpful for a LOT of Inkscape users.
>> Chris Hildenbrand's tutorials are mostly text tutorials. I
>> think only a
>> few are videos. Unless recently he's started using videos? But yes,
>> very good!
>> I haven't heard of Sids Art. I'll follow your link and check
>> it out.
>> Yes, those would certainly help to make the Video Tutorials
>> page more
>> current. I didn't understand you though. Did you mean to say that you
>> are
>> going to edit that page? If you want to help with the Inkscape
>> project, and
>> edit that page, we can give you permissions to edit the website.
>>
>> All best,
>> brynn
>>
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Vardenis Pavardenis
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 11:55 AM
>> To: brynn
>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
>> website
>>
>>
>> Hello, Brynn,
>> Thanks for you website, it is amazing! And really try to help with
>> your website
>> and outdated tutorials, I'm now trying with Video Tutorials section
>> in website,
>> Thanks for you help. ;-)
>> I'm thinking in "Video Tutorials" section tutorials from Nick
>> Saporito
>> (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEQXp_fcqwPcqrzNtWJ1w9w/playlists),
>> he have
>> playlist Inkscape explained(for very beginners), Inkscape Beginner
>> Tutorials,
>> Inkscape Intermediate/Advanced Tutorials, Inkscape Typeface
>> Tutorials, Inkscape
>> Logo tutorials, he explains from very beginning to advanced topics in
>> Inkscape,
>> too Chris Hildenbrand have awesome tutorials(
>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVMhFCCmrMisICIoyTIXsKw/playlists )
>> for game
>> art, Inkscape basics of game art creation, Inkscape seamless
>> patterns, too in
>> channel is tutorials about how to animate. Too Sids Art - Inkscape
>> And Drawing
>> have 

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[Maren Hachmann]

Am 03.01.2017 um 22:00 schrieb brynn:
> Hi Vardenis,
> I think I understand what you mean.  You're thinking it would be 
> better 
> not to mix up video and text tutorials, in the gallery?  Well, they already 
> are 
> mixed up in the gallery (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/).  
> However, 
> you can choose to look at only text or only videos.  See on the right column, 
> where it says "textual" and "video", black buttons with white text?
> Although I'm not sure if that works, if the author did not put such a 
> tag when they uploaded??  Yeah, if you click on video, it's blank, as if 
> there 
> were no videos.  Is it possible to manually add those tags, to the video 
> tutorials?  

- Yes, they can be tagged just like any other item in the gallery. The
tags on the right are the 'official' ones, just like it works for the
extensions.

(I'm addressing this reply to the list, since I have this question.)
> But Martin is talking about something else, I think.  He's asking to 
> have the videos embedded on the Video Tutorials page.  

- He was rather asking to post a link as a resource. The embedding will
work automatically.

> I haven't ever done that 
> before, or seen it.  So I'm not sure what it will look like.
> I'll try an example, using one of the heathenex vids, because I know 
> they have a free license.  Then we can both see what it's going to look like. 
> I'll do it in just a few minutes.
> But I still wonder about taking just any YT video and embedding it.  
> Are 
> all YT videos automatically public domain?

- Nope, most are 'Standard Youtube Licence'.

Regards,
 Maren

> 
> Thanks,
> brynn
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Vardenis Pavardenis
> Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:11 PM
> To: brynn
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
> 
> 
> I'm thinking maybe better just add link's to article (Video Tutorials) and 
> don't 
> upload all this videos as resources in gallery, tutorials section (current 
> video 
> tutorials only link's), because in gallery, tutorials is more text based than 
> videos, and I think if I would start uploading videos to tutorials category 
> (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/), it would become a bit of a mess 
> and "Video Tutorials" category in websites loss of sense. What do you thinks?
> 
> Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks.
> 
> 
> 03.01.2017, 21:45, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:
> 
> 
> First I should say that I'm not a frequent YT user or video watcher. Is there
> no copyright issue, to just grab a video and upload it?
> 
> Thanks,
> brynn
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Martin Owens
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 9:49 PM
> To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis
> Cc: Inkscape-Docs
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
> 
> Don't forget to upload each of the videos into the website, if you add
> the youtube video as the URL link it will embed the video and you can
> add text and other important information like the license (if there is
> one).
> 
> This way videos can be collected onto these tutorial pages using the
> gallery widgets.
> 
> Martin,
> 
> On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 16:02 -0700, brynn wrote:
> 
> 
> No need to create a page. But if you want to make a list of
> tutorials, with a
> link to each one, I'll be glad to add them to that page. That page
> needs some
> attention besides current videos, too. I'm not sure how it got to be
> organized
> like it is, but I'm sure we could eliminate a lot of bullets.
> 
> Thanks for your help,
> brynn
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Vardenis Pavardenis
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:40 PM
> To: brynn
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
> website
> 
> 
> No, no (I don't have permissions and maybe someone don't agree with
> me). I'm not
> editing, I'm only discuss for now about "Video Tutorials" section,
> and I'm
> thinking Nick Saporito, Chris Hildenbrand, Sids Art tutorials can be
> more
> helpful than now tutorials in Video Tutorial section.
> I can try (In text editor) create page with format familiar to the
> current with
> new video tutorials from above authors and share here. :-)
> 
> 
> 02.01.2017, 21:26, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:
> 
> 
> Hi Vardenis,
>  Yes, Nick Saporito has very quickly compiled a huge amount of
> Inkscape
> tutorials! I think that now, they aren't quite as good as when he
> first
> started. Goes a little too fast now. And it drives me crazy that he

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[Maren Hachmann]

Am 03.01.2017 um 20:45 schrieb brynn:
> First I should say that I'm not a frequent YT user or video watcher.  Is 
> there 
> no copyright issue, to just grab a video and upload it?

- Martin meant 'upload a link as a resource to the website' when he
wrote 'upload'. Linking should be allowed in this case :) (standard
youtube licence, I expect).

Regards,
 Maren

> Thanks,
> brynn
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Martin Owens
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 9:49 PM
> To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis
> Cc: Inkscape-Docs
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website
> 
> Don't forget to upload each of the videos into the website, if you add
> the youtube video as the URL link it will embed the video and you can
> add text and other important information like the license (if there is
> one).
> 
> This way videos can be collected onto these tutorial pages using the
> gallery widgets.
> 
> Martin,
> 
> On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 16:02 -0700, brynn wrote:
>> No need to create a page.  But if you want to make a list of
>> tutorials, with a
>> link to each one, I'll be glad to add them to that page.  That page
>> needs some
>> attention besides current videos, too.  I'm not sure how it got to be
>> organized
>> like it is, but I'm sure we could eliminate a lot of bullets.
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>> brynn
>>
>> -Original Message----- 
>> From: Vardenis Pavardenis
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:40 PM
>> To: brynn
>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
>> website
>>
>>
>> No, no (I don't have permissions and maybe someone don't agree with
>> me). I'm not
>> editing, I'm only discuss for now about "Video Tutorials" section,
>> and I'm
>> thinking Nick Saporito, Chris Hildenbrand, Sids Art tutorials can be
>> more
>> helpful than now tutorials in Video Tutorial section.
>> I can try (In text editor) create page with format familiar to the
>> current with
>> new video tutorials from above authors and share here. :-)
>>
>>
>> 02.01.2017, 21:26, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:
>>
>>
>> Hi Vardenis,
>> Yes, Nick Saporito has very quickly compiled a huge amount of
>> Inkscape
>> tutorials! I think that now, they aren't quite as good as when he
>> first
>> started. Goes a little too fast now. And it drives me crazy that he
>> ALWAYS
>> calls the Selection tool, "the arrow tool". Even after I mentioned
>> it, he still
>> keeps saying it. But still, they are a free resource, and I think
>> they are
>> helpful for a LOT of Inkscape users.
>> Chris Hildenbrand's tutorials are mostly text tutorials. I
>> think only a
>> few are videos. Unless recently he's started using videos? But yes,
>> very good!
>> I haven't heard of Sids Art. I'll follow your link and check
>> it out.
>> Yes, those would certainly help to make the Video Tutorials
>> page more
>> current. I didn't understand you though. Did you mean to say that you
>> are
>> going to edit that page? If you want to help with the Inkscape
>> project, and
>> edit that page, we can give you permissions to edit the website.
>>
>> All best,
>> brynn
>>
>> -Original Message- 
>> From: Vardenis Pavardenis
>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 11:55 AM
>> To: brynn
>> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
>> website
>>
>>
>> Hello, Brynn,
>> Thanks for you website, it is amazing! And really try to help with
>> your website
>> and outdated tutorials, I'm now trying with Video Tutorials section
>> in website,
>> Thanks for you help. ;-)
>> I'm thinking in "Video Tutorials" section tutorials from Nick
>> Saporito
>> (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEQXp_fcqwPcqrzNtWJ1w9w/playlists),
>> he have
>> playlist Inkscape explained(for very beginners), Inkscape Beginner
>> Tutorials,
>> Inkscape Intermediate/Advanced Tutorials, Inkscape Typeface
>> Tutorials, Inkscape
>> Logo tutorials, he explains from very beginning to advanced topics in
>> Inkscape,
>> too Chris Hildenbrand have awesome tutorials(
>> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVMhFCCmrMisICIoyTIXsKw/playlists )
>> for game
>> art, Inkscape basics of game art creation, Inkscape seamless
>> patterns, too in
>> channel is tutorials about how to animate. Too Sids Art - Inkscape
>> And Drawing
>> have 

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[brynn]

Ok, Vardenis, click on the text link "Inkscape-screencast2-Globe", on the Video 
Tutorials page.  It's the first one under "with narration" for Richard Querin.

And Martin, is that what you meant?

Thanks,
brynn

-Original Message- 
From: Martin Owens
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 9:49 PM
To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis
Cc: Inkscape-Docs
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Don't forget to upload each of the videos into the website, if you add
the youtube video as the URL link it will embed the video and you can
add text and other important information like the license (if there is
one).

This way videos can be collected onto these tutorial pages using the
gallery widgets.

Martin,

On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 16:02 -0700, brynn wrote:
> No need to create a page.  But if you want to make a list of
> tutorials, with a
> link to each one, I'll be glad to add them to that page.  That page
> needs some
> attention besides current videos, too.  I'm not sure how it got to be
> organized
> like it is, but I'm sure we could eliminate a lot of bullets.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> brynn
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Vardenis Pavardenis
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:40 PM
> To: brynn
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
> website
>
>
> No, no (I don't have permissions and maybe someone don't agree with
> me). I'm not
> editing, I'm only discuss for now about "Video Tutorials" section,
> and I'm
> thinking Nick Saporito, Chris Hildenbrand, Sids Art tutorials can be
> more
> helpful than now tutorials in Video Tutorial section.
> I can try (In text editor) create page with format familiar to the
> current with
> new video tutorials from above authors and share here. :-)
>
>
> 02.01.2017, 21:26, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:
>
>
> Hi Vardenis,
> Yes, Nick Saporito has very quickly compiled a huge amount of
> Inkscape
> tutorials! I think that now, they aren't quite as good as when he
> first
> started. Goes a little too fast now. And it drives me crazy that he
> ALWAYS
> calls the Selection tool, "the arrow tool". Even after I mentioned
> it, he still
> keeps saying it. But still, they are a free resource, and I think
> they are
> helpful for a LOT of Inkscape users.
> Chris Hildenbrand's tutorials are mostly text tutorials. I
> think only a
> few are videos. Unless recently he's started using videos? But yes,
> very good!
> I haven't heard of Sids Art. I'll follow your link and check
> it out.
> Yes, those would certainly help to make the Video Tutorials
> page more
> current. I didn't understand you though. Did you mean to say that you
> are
> going to edit that page? If you want to help with the Inkscape
> project, and
> edit that page, we can give you permissions to edit the website.
>
> All best,
> brynn
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Vardenis Pavardenis
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 11:55 AM
> To: brynn
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
> website
>
>
> Hello, Brynn,
> Thanks for you website, it is amazing! And really try to help with
> your website
> and outdated tutorials, I'm now trying with Video Tutorials section
> in website,
> Thanks for you help. ;-)
> I'm thinking in "Video Tutorials" section tutorials from Nick
> Saporito
> (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEQXp_fcqwPcqrzNtWJ1w9w/playlists),
> he have
> playlist Inkscape explained(for very beginners), Inkscape Beginner
> Tutorials,
> Inkscape Intermediate/Advanced Tutorials, Inkscape Typeface
> Tutorials, Inkscape
> Logo tutorials, he explains from very beginning to advanced topics in
> Inkscape,
> too Chris Hildenbrand have awesome tutorials(
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVMhFCCmrMisICIoyTIXsKw/playlists )
> for game
> art, Inkscape basics of game art creation, Inkscape seamless
> patterns, too in
> channel is tutorials about how to animate. Too Sids Art - Inkscape
> And Drawing
> have interesting tutorials
> (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLI43BLYCGCqrnxqHwDRTni9K3V-Y
> bkhs).
>
> I'm thinking this videos make Video Tutorials section more modern and
> more
> interest.
>
> What do you thinks about that?
>
> Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks. :-)
>
>
> 02.01.2017, 20:41, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:
>
>
> I have an interest in tutorials of all kinds, and keep a list of what
> I consider
> the best or most helpful tutorials (meaning that they don't contain
> any errors
> or outdated steps) on my website: https://forum.inkscap

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[brynn]

Hi Vardenis,
I think I understand what you mean.  You're thinking it would be better 
not to mix up video and text tutorials, in the gallery?  Well, they already are 
mixed up in the gallery (https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/).  However, 
you can choose to look at only text or only videos.  See on the right column, 
where it says "textual" and "video", black buttons with white text?
Although I'm not sure if that works, if the author did not put such a 
tag when they uploaded??  Yeah, if you click on video, it's blank, as if there 
were no videos.  Is it possible to manually add those tags, to the video 
tutorials?  (I'm addressing this reply to the list, since I have this question.)
But Martin is talking about something else, I think.  He's asking to 
have the videos embedded on the Video Tutorials page.  I haven't ever done that 
before, or seen it.  So I'm not sure what it will look like.
I'll try an example, using one of the heathenex vids, because I know 
they have a free license.  Then we can both see what it's going to look like. 
I'll do it in just a few minutes.
But I still wonder about taking just any YT video and embedding it.  
Are 
all YT videos automatically public domain?

Thanks,
brynn

-Original Message- 
From: Vardenis Pavardenis
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 1:11 PM
To: brynn
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website


I'm thinking maybe better just add link's to article (Video Tutorials) and 
don't 
upload all this videos as resources in gallery, tutorials section (current 
video 
tutorials only link's), because in gallery, tutorials is more text based than 
videos, and I think if I would start uploading videos to tutorials category 
(https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/), it would become a bit of a mess 
and "Video Tutorials" category in websites loss of sense. What do you thinks?

Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks.


03.01.2017, 21:45, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:


First I should say that I'm not a frequent YT user or video watcher. Is there
no copyright issue, to just grab a video and upload it?

Thanks,
brynn

-Original Message- 
From: Martin Owens
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 9:49 PM
To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis
Cc: Inkscape-Docs
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Don't forget to upload each of the videos into the website, if you add
the youtube video as the URL link it will embed the video and you can
add text and other important information like the license (if there is
one).

This way videos can be collected onto these tutorial pages using the
gallery widgets.

Martin,

On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 16:02 -0700, brynn wrote:


No need to create a page. But if you want to make a list of
tutorials, with a
link to each one, I'll be glad to add them to that page. That page
needs some
attention besides current videos, too. I'm not sure how it got to be
organized
like it is, but I'm sure we could eliminate a lot of bullets.

Thanks for your help,
brynn

-Original Message- 
From: Vardenis Pavardenis
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:40 PM
To: brynn
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
website


No, no (I don't have permissions and maybe someone don't agree with
me). I'm not
editing, I'm only discuss for now about "Video Tutorials" section,
and I'm
thinking Nick Saporito, Chris Hildenbrand, Sids Art tutorials can be
more
helpful than now tutorials in Video Tutorial section.
I can try (In text editor) create page with format familiar to the
current with
new video tutorials from above authors and share here. :-)


02.01.2017, 21:26, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:


Hi Vardenis,
 Yes, Nick Saporito has very quickly compiled a huge amount of
Inkscape
tutorials! I think that now, they aren't quite as good as when he
first
started. Goes a little too fast now. And it drives me crazy that he
ALWAYS
calls the Selection tool, "the arrow tool". Even after I mentioned
it, he still
keeps saying it. But still, they are a free resource, and I think
they are
helpful for a LOT of Inkscape users.
 Chris Hildenbrand's tutorials are mostly text tutorials. I
think only a
few are videos. Unless recently he's started using videos? But yes,
very good!
 I haven't heard of Sids Art. I'll follow your link and check
it out.
 Yes, those would certainly help to make the Video Tutorials
page more
current. I didn't understand you though. Did you mean to say that you
are
going to edit that page? If you want to help with the Inkscape
project, and
edit that page, we can give you permissions to edit the website.

All best,
brynn

-Original Message- 
From: Vardenis Pavardenis
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 11:55 AM
To: brynn
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" secti

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[brynn]

First I should say that I'm not a frequent YT user or video watcher.  Is there 
no copyright issue, to just grab a video and upload it?

Thanks,
brynn

-Original Message- 
From: Martin Owens
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 9:49 PM
To: brynn ; Vardenis Pavardenis
Cc: Inkscape-Docs
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

Don't forget to upload each of the videos into the website, if you add
the youtube video as the URL link it will embed the video and you can
add text and other important information like the license (if there is
one).

This way videos can be collected onto these tutorial pages using the
gallery widgets.

Martin,

On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 16:02 -0700, brynn wrote:
> No need to create a page.  But if you want to make a list of
> tutorials, with a
> link to each one, I'll be glad to add them to that page.  That page
> needs some
> attention besides current videos, too.  I'm not sure how it got to be
> organized
> like it is, but I'm sure we could eliminate a lot of bullets.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> brynn
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Vardenis Pavardenis
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:40 PM
> To: brynn
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
> website
>
>
> No, no (I don't have permissions and maybe someone don't agree with
> me). I'm not
> editing, I'm only discuss for now about "Video Tutorials" section,
> and I'm
> thinking Nick Saporito, Chris Hildenbrand, Sids Art tutorials can be
> more
> helpful than now tutorials in Video Tutorial section.
> I can try (In text editor) create page with format familiar to the
> current with
> new video tutorials from above authors and share here. :-)
>
>
> 02.01.2017, 21:26, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:
>
>
> Hi Vardenis,
> Yes, Nick Saporito has very quickly compiled a huge amount of
> Inkscape
> tutorials! I think that now, they aren't quite as good as when he
> first
> started. Goes a little too fast now. And it drives me crazy that he
> ALWAYS
> calls the Selection tool, "the arrow tool". Even after I mentioned
> it, he still
> keeps saying it. But still, they are a free resource, and I think
> they are
> helpful for a LOT of Inkscape users.
> Chris Hildenbrand's tutorials are mostly text tutorials. I
> think only a
> few are videos. Unless recently he's started using videos? But yes,
> very good!
> I haven't heard of Sids Art. I'll follow your link and check
> it out.
> Yes, those would certainly help to make the Video Tutorials
> page more
> current. I didn't understand you though. Did you mean to say that you
> are
> going to edit that page? If you want to help with the Inkscape
> project, and
> edit that page, we can give you permissions to edit the website.
>
> All best,
> brynn
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Vardenis Pavardenis
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 11:55 AM
> To: brynn
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
> website
>
>
> Hello, Brynn,
> Thanks for you website, it is amazing! And really try to help with
> your website
> and outdated tutorials, I'm now trying with Video Tutorials section
> in website,
> Thanks for you help. ;-)
> I'm thinking in "Video Tutorials" section tutorials from Nick
> Saporito
> (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEQXp_fcqwPcqrzNtWJ1w9w/playlists),
> he have
> playlist Inkscape explained(for very beginners), Inkscape Beginner
> Tutorials,
> Inkscape Intermediate/Advanced Tutorials, Inkscape Typeface
> Tutorials, Inkscape
> Logo tutorials, he explains from very beginning to advanced topics in
> Inkscape,
> too Chris Hildenbrand have awesome tutorials(
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVMhFCCmrMisICIoyTIXsKw/playlists )
> for game
> art, Inkscape basics of game art creation, Inkscape seamless
> patterns, too in
> channel is tutorials about how to animate. Too Sids Art - Inkscape
> And Drawing
> have interesting tutorials
> (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLI43BLYCGCqrnxqHwDRTni9K3V-Y
> bkhs).
>
> I'm thinking this videos make Video Tutorials section more modern and
> more
> interest.
>
> What do you thinks about that?
>
> Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks. :-)
>
>
> 02.01.2017, 20:41, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:
>
>
> I have an interest in tutorials of all kinds, and keep a list of what
> I consider
> the best or most helpful tutorials (meaning that they don't contain
> any errors
> or outdated steps) on my website: https://forum.inkscapecommunity.com
> /index.php
> It's probably about 6 months out of date, r

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[Martin Owens]

Don't forget to upload each of the videos into the website, if you add
the youtube video as the URL link it will embed the video and you can
add text and other important information like the license (if there is
one).

This way videos can be collected onto these tutorial pages using the
gallery widgets.

Martin,

On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 16:02 -0700, brynn wrote:
> No need to create a page.  But if you want to make a list of
> tutorials, with a 
> link to each one, I'll be glad to add them to that page.  That page
> needs some 
> attention besides current videos, too.  I'm not sure how it got to be
> organized 
> like it is, but I'm sure we could eliminate a lot of bullets.
> 
> Thanks for your help,
> brynn
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Vardenis Pavardenis
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:40 PM
> To: brynn
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
> website
> 
> 
> No, no (I don't have permissions and maybe someone don't agree with
> me). I'm not 
> editing, I'm only discuss for now about "Video Tutorials" section,
> and I'm 
> thinking Nick Saporito, Chris Hildenbrand, Sids Art tutorials can be
> more 
> helpful than now tutorials in Video Tutorial section.
> I can try (In text editor) create page with format familiar to the
> current with 
> new video tutorials from above authors and share here. :-)
> 
> 
> 02.01.2017, 21:26, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:
> 
> 
> Hi Vardenis,
> Yes, Nick Saporito has very quickly compiled a huge amount of
> Inkscape
> tutorials! I think that now, they aren't quite as good as when he
> first
> started. Goes a little too fast now. And it drives me crazy that he
> ALWAYS
> calls the Selection tool, "the arrow tool". Even after I mentioned
> it, he still
> keeps saying it. But still, they are a free resource, and I think
> they are
> helpful for a LOT of Inkscape users.
> Chris Hildenbrand's tutorials are mostly text tutorials. I
> think only a
> few are videos. Unless recently he's started using videos? But yes,
> very good!
> I haven't heard of Sids Art. I'll follow your link and check
> it out.
> Yes, those would certainly help to make the Video Tutorials
> page more
> current. I didn't understand you though. Did you mean to say that you
> are
> going to edit that page? If you want to help with the Inkscape
> project, and
> edit that page, we can give you permissions to edit the website.
> 
> All best,
> brynn
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Vardenis Pavardenis
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 11:55 AM
> To: brynn
> Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in
> website
> 
> 
> Hello, Brynn,
> Thanks for you website, it is amazing! And really try to help with
> your website
> and outdated tutorials, I'm now trying with Video Tutorials section
> in website,
> Thanks for you help. ;-)
> I'm thinking in "Video Tutorials" section tutorials from Nick
> Saporito
> (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEQXp_fcqwPcqrzNtWJ1w9w/playlists),
> he have
> playlist Inkscape explained(for very beginners), Inkscape Beginner
> Tutorials,
> Inkscape Intermediate/Advanced Tutorials, Inkscape Typeface
> Tutorials, Inkscape
> Logo tutorials, he explains from very beginning to advanced topics in
> Inkscape,
> too Chris Hildenbrand have awesome tutorials(
> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVMhFCCmrMisICIoyTIXsKw/playlists )
> for game
> art, Inkscape basics of game art creation, Inkscape seamless
> patterns, too in
> channel is tutorials about how to animate. Too Sids Art - Inkscape
> And Drawing
> have interesting tutorials
> (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLI43BLYCGCqrnxqHwDRTni9K3V-Y
> bkhs).
> 
> I'm thinking this videos make Video Tutorials section more modern and
> more
> interest.
> 
> What do you thinks about that?
> 
> Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks. :-)
> 
> 
> 02.01.2017, 20:41, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:
> 
> 
> I have an interest in tutorials of all kinds, and keep a list of what
> I consider
> the best or most helpful tutorials (meaning that they don't contain
> any errors
> or outdated steps) on my website: https://forum.inkscapecommunity.com
> /index.php
> It's probably about 6 months out of date, right now. But I'll make it
> current
> pretty soon.
> 
> I have a plan to bring them all over to the website, eventually, but
> can't start
> on it until I finish with other projects first. But I'd be glad to
> help you, if
> you wanted or needed it.
> 
> One thing which could probably be done right away, is to pu

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[brynn]

No need to create a page.  But if you want to make a list of tutorials, with a 
link to each one, I'll be glad to add them to that page.  That page needs some 
attention besides current videos, too.  I'm not sure how it got to be organized 
like it is, but I'm sure we could eliminate a lot of bullets.

Thanks for your help,
brynn

-Original Message- 
From: Vardenis Pavardenis
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 12:40 PM
To: brynn
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website


No, no (I don't have permissions and maybe someone don't agree with me). I'm 
not 
editing, I'm only discuss for now about "Video Tutorials" section, and I'm 
thinking Nick Saporito, Chris Hildenbrand, Sids Art tutorials can be more 
helpful than now tutorials in Video Tutorial section.
I can try (In text editor) create page with format familiar to the current with 
new video tutorials from above authors and share here. :-)


02.01.2017, 21:26, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:


Hi Vardenis,
Yes, Nick Saporito has very quickly compiled a huge amount of Inkscape
tutorials! I think that now, they aren't quite as good as when he first
started. Goes a little too fast now. And it drives me crazy that he ALWAYS
calls the Selection tool, "the arrow tool". Even after I mentioned it, he still
keeps saying it. But still, they are a free resource, and I think they are
helpful for a LOT of Inkscape users.
Chris Hildenbrand's tutorials are mostly text tutorials. I think only a
few are videos. Unless recently he's started using videos? But yes, very good!
I haven't heard of Sids Art. I'll follow your link and check it out.
Yes, those would certainly help to make the Video Tutorials page more
current. I didn't understand you though. Did you mean to say that you are
going to edit that page? If you want to help with the Inkscape project, and
edit that page, we can give you permissions to edit the website.

All best,
brynn

-Original Message- 
From: Vardenis Pavardenis
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 11:55 AM
To: brynn
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website


Hello, Brynn,
Thanks for you website, it is amazing! And really try to help with your website
and outdated tutorials, I'm now trying with Video Tutorials section in website,
Thanks for you help. ;-)
I'm thinking in "Video Tutorials" section tutorials from Nick Saporito
(https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEQXp_fcqwPcqrzNtWJ1w9w/playlists), he have
playlist Inkscape explained(for very beginners), Inkscape Beginner Tutorials,
Inkscape Intermediate/Advanced Tutorials, Inkscape Typeface Tutorials, Inkscape
Logo tutorials, he explains from very beginning to advanced topics in Inkscape,
too Chris Hildenbrand have awesome tutorials(
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVMhFCCmrMisICIoyTIXsKw/playlists ) for game
art, Inkscape basics of game art creation, Inkscape seamless patterns, too in
channel is tutorials about how to animate. Too Sids Art - Inkscape And Drawing
have interesting tutorials
(https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLI43BLYCGCqrnxqHwDRTni9K3V-Ybkhs).

I'm thinking this videos make Video Tutorials section more modern and more
interest.

What do you thinks about that?

Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks. :-)


02.01.2017, 20:41, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:


I have an interest in tutorials of all kinds, and keep a list of what I consider
the best or most helpful tutorials (meaning that they don't contain any errors
or outdated steps) on my website: https://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php
It's probably about 6 months out of date, right now. But I'll make it current
pretty soon.

I have a plan to bring them all over to the website, eventually, but can't start
on it until I finish with other projects first. But I'd be glad to help you, if
you wanted or needed it.

One thing which could probably be done right away, is to put a link on that
page, to this page https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/. They aren't all
video tutorials, but those that are, are certainly more current.

Maybe I'll add a note on that page, with the link, and also asking for
volunteers. (I wonder if Victor would be interested, too? I know he's looking
to help out.)

All best,
brynn

-Original Message- 
From: Martin Owens
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 10:01 AM
To: Vardenis Pavardenis ; inkscape-docs
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 18:30 +0200, Vardenis Pavardenis wrote:


Hello,
"Video Tutorials" section in website is very, very old. Videos in
this section is about from 2007 years. I don't say these tutorials is
bad, but maybe is better to replace these tutorials to newer (video
quality low, etc.) or redesign this section in website (Because is
hard to share all new tutorial's, and I'm think most people searching
in YouTube or something like 

Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[brynn]

Hi Vardenis,
Yes, Nick Saporito has very quickly compiled a huge amount of Inkscape 
tutorials!  I think that now, they aren't quite as good as when he first 
started.  Goes a little too fast now.  And it drives me crazy that he ALWAYS 
calls the Selection tool, "the arrow tool".  Even after I mentioned it, he 
still 
keeps saying it.  But still, they are a free resource, and I think they are 
helpful for a LOT of Inkscape users.
Chris Hildenbrand's tutorials are mostly text tutorials.  I think only 
a 
few are videos.  Unless recently he's started using videos?  But yes, very good!
I haven't heard of Sids Art.  I'll follow your link and check it out.
Yes, those would certainly help to make the Video Tutorials page more 
current.  I didn't understand you though.  Did you mean to say that you are 
going to edit that page?  If you want to help with the Inkscape project, and 
edit that page, we can give you permissions to edit the website.

All best,
brynn

-Original Message- 
From: Vardenis Pavardenis
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 11:55 AM
To: brynn
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website


Hello, Brynn,
Thanks for you website, it is amazing! And really try to help with your website 
and outdated tutorials, I'm now trying with Video Tutorials section in website, 
Thanks for you help. ;-)
I'm thinking in "Video Tutorials" section tutorials from Nick Saporito 
(https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEQXp_fcqwPcqrzNtWJ1w9w/playlists), he have 
playlist Inkscape explained(for very beginners), Inkscape Beginner Tutorials, 
Inkscape Intermediate/Advanced Tutorials, Inkscape Typeface Tutorials, Inkscape 
Logo tutorials, he explains from very beginning to advanced topics in Inkscape, 
too Chris Hildenbrand have awesome tutorials( 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVMhFCCmrMisICIoyTIXsKw/playlists ) for game 
art, Inkscape basics of game art creation, Inkscape seamless patterns, too in 
channel is tutorials about how to animate. Too Sids Art - Inkscape And Drawing 
have interesting tutorials 
(https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLI43BLYCGCqrnxqHwDRTni9K3V-Ybkhs).

I'm thinking this videos make Video Tutorials section more modern and more 
interest.

What do you thinks about that?

Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks. :-)


02.01.2017, 20:41, "brynn" <br...@frii.com>:


I have an interest in tutorials of all kinds, and keep a list of what I consider
the best or most helpful tutorials (meaning that they don't contain any errors
or outdated steps) on my website: https://forum.inkscapecommunity.com/index.php
It's probably about 6 months out of date, right now. But I'll make it current
pretty soon.

I have a plan to bring them all over to the website, eventually, but can't start
on it until I finish with other projects first. But I'd be glad to help you, if
you wanted or needed it.

One thing which could probably be done right away, is to put a link on that
page, to this page https://inkscape.org/en/gallery/=tutorial/. They aren't all
video tutorials, but those that are, are certainly more current.

Maybe I'll add a note on that page, with the link, and also asking for
volunteers. (I wonder if Victor would be interested, too? I know he's looking
to help out.)

All best,
brynn

-Original Message- 
From: Martin Owens
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 10:01 AM
To: Vardenis Pavardenis ; inkscape-docs
Subject: Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 18:30 +0200, Vardenis Pavardenis wrote:


Hello,
"Video Tutorials" section in website is very, very old. Videos in
this section is about from 2007 years. I don't say these tutorials is
bad, but maybe is better to replace these tutorials to newer (video
quality low, etc.) or redesign this section in website (Because is
hard to share all new tutorial's, and I'm think most people searching
in YouTube or something like Vimeo) ?
In YouTube and Vimeo there are many who create Inkscape video
tutorials.



I believe the job of Video Tutorial curator is available if you'd like
to have a go.

The first thing to do is to think about what's out there, maybe make a
list of all the really great stuff, then think about how you'd put it
together on a website.

Sound like fun?

Best Regards, Martin Owens
Website Administrator



Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks, I'm post this only for
discussion. :-)
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[Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[Vardenis Pavardenis]

Hello,"Video Tutorials" section in website is very, very old. Videos in this section is about from 2007 years. I don't say these tutorials is bad, but maybe is better to replace these tutorials to newer (video quality low, etc.) or redesign this section in website (Because is hard to share all new tutorial's, and I'm think most people searching in YouTube or something like Vimeo) ?In YouTube and Vimeo there are many who create Inkscape video tutorials.Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks, I'm post this only for discussion. :-)

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Re: [Inkscape-docs] Update "Video Tutorials" section in website

[Martin Owens]

On Mon, 2017-01-02 at 18:30 +0200, Vardenis Pavardenis wrote:
> Hello,
> "Video Tutorials" section in website is very, very old. Videos in
> this section is about from 2007 years. I don't say these tutorials is
> bad, but maybe is better to replace these tutorials to newer (video
> quality low, etc.) or redesign this section in website (Because is
> hard to share all new tutorial's, and I'm think most people searching
> in YouTube or something like Vimeo) ?
> In YouTube and Vimeo there are many who create Inkscape video
> tutorials.

I believe the job of Video Tutorial curator is available if you'd like
to have a go.

The first thing to do is to think about what's out there, maybe make a
list of all the really great stuff, then think about how you'd put it
together on a website.

Sound like fun?

Best Regards, Martin Owens
Website Administrator

> Sorry for my bad English language, Thanks, I'm post this only for
> discussion. :-)
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