Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Chad Emrys ad...@codeangel.org wrote: I just know the bigger culture of those who use PHP, and some of them are quite annoyed by the dismissive nature of the maintainers who are quite at odds to what the majority of the community want or needs. As one of those people who use PHP, after the first time googling it, I haven't needed it. It's one of those things about the language that's interesting. If you're going to complain about how someone has to learn something about another culture, why not take a step back and consider those throughout the world whose native language is something other than English have to try to translate what it does. Also, as one who also answers other's questions (although not IRC, because its my experience most people asking questions on there are dbags), I find that complaints regarding PHP's ambiguity in naming conventions and variable order (which is slowly being fixed, and is greatly appreciated) far, far outnumber the complaints regarding T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM. Actually, I never hear complaints about T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM, just questions about what it is by people who'd rather be told than find out for themselves. And, when they find out, the answer is usually something like Oh, neat. And, what sort of cooperation do you expect to get when your first line is WTF is T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM?. That's akin to finding multiple languages on your tax forms and exclaiming WTF is this doing here!? -- Jack Timmons @_Codeacula Trollfree: 8503290326 -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Chad Emrys ad...@codeangel.org wrote: I'm not arguing about learning another culture. The argument is that an error message that should be straight forward, isn't. You misunderstand my point. It isn't straightforward for -you- because that isn't your native language. Thus the cultural point. But if switched to T_DOUBLE_COLON, then others who don't know English could then argue it isn't straight forward. It's an entirely pedantic point to argue, I agree, but thus far you entire complain was because it isn't in English, and you want it changed so you don't have to hear about it constantly. The fact is, it says double colon in a different language, so aside from translation there's nothing wrong with it at all. Magic would be internationalizing the error messages, but then there will be someone whose language doesn't have a version. -- Jack Timmons @_Codeacula Trollfree: 8503290326 -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
Re: [PHP-DEV] Dots and spaces in variable names are converted to underscores.
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Alexey Zakhlestin indey...@gmail.com wrote: -1 from me. I don't think we need to keep backward compatibility for this. PHP-6 is a major release, after all. It would be absolutely enough to add optional var-name conversion to extract() Agreed. -- -Jack Timmons http://www.trotlc.com Twitter: @codeacula -- PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
