Re: [IRCA] Yet another!!

[Rick Lewis]

Tried for it here in Clarkston WA just before 10, but no go. KKXA is
dominant, with other stations in the background.
--
Rick

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From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Volodya S
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 9:23 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America

Subject: Re: [IRCA] Yet another!!

Yes, coming in armchair copy into Victoria, as well, at 05:20 UTC with
Christian Russian music.  I can hear KKXA as well co-channel, but mostly
just barely.  Sure sounding like the full 50,000 watts, and not 15 kW.
 73,  Walt in Victoria, BC

On Thu, Jan 17, 2019 at 4:03 AM Guy Atkins  wrote:

> Hi Phil,
>
> On a whim I pulled out a CCradio 2E and was stunned to find near-LOCAL 
> quality Russian talk on 1520!
>
> The signal nulls for me in a NNE direction (est. 345-350 deg. bearing) 
> from Puyallup; that's actually *towards* Everett in general.
>
> I first heard Russian talk at 7:45pm PST, but now at 7:58 it's Russian 
> language music.
>
> OK, at the top of the hour I just heard "KQRR, Oregon City, Oregon" in 
> English, and then back into Russian with mentions of "Christiana" or 
> similar. I note this station is 15 kw nighttime.
>
> I wonder why they are coming in so strong? They are nearly pegging the 
> 2E's signal meter indoors.
>
> Guy Atkins
> Puyallup WA
>
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Phil Bytheway 
> To: "irca@hard-core-dx.com" 
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2019 03:06:11 + (UTC)
> Subject: Yet another!!
> I'm being haunted.
> So, for the 3rd time, I'm listening to what sounds like Russian on 
> 1520 with Everett nulled for like 20 minutes (1750-1810 PLT). 
> Music and a woman talking just after the hour.
>
> No break, no ID is it me or what??
>
> Phil Bytheway
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Re: [IRCA] KNX Los Angeles from N. Indiana

[Rick Lewis]

That's really great, Mark. When I lived on the West Coast, I can't remember
hearing WLS that late in the morning in early September.
--
Rick 

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From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Mark Pettifor
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 11:04 AM
To: IRCA List ; ABDX List 
Subject: [IRCA] KNX Los Angeles from N. Indiana

Heard KNX 1070 briefly in the car on my way to work this morning, with the
end of CBS news, and a short ID with call sign, @ 1104.

I kinda consider my first "fall" reception of KNX during the morning drive
as my own unofficial start of the AM DX season.

Mark Pettifor
KC9DOC
Goshen, IN
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Re: [IRCA] Tecsun S-8800 AM/LW/SW/FM Field Radio With Remote

[Rick Lewis]

This article certainly leads to many questions, which, due to the newness of 
the radio, probably no one here can answer, but that doesn’t stop me from 
posting them.
I have a Tecsun CR-1100 which has some quirks—some I love and some that I wish 
didn’t exist, and I’d love to know how the 8800 performs in these areas.
   Unlike many radios, the CR-1100 makes no attempt to filter out FM HD 
noise on adjacent channels. Although audible blocks of white noise don’t sound 
too appealing on the surface, they allow me to know when I have nulled an HD 
signal as much as possible. I love this about the 1100; I doubt that the 8800 
performs this way, but I’d love it if it did.
On the minus side, the 1100 has an annoying characteristic on 
FM:apparently as a battery conservation measure, if there’s a weak signal or 
white noise on a frequency, the unit shuts off after 5 minutes. I can think of 
many reasons why this feature is undesirable, and none that favor it. In fact, 
it does this with fully audible non-full-quieting signals, and if there’s a way 
to defeat it, I haven’t discovered it yet. I hope the 8800 doesn’t have this 
undesirable “feature.”
I’d love to know what the battery life is when the output or 
headphone jack is patched into another source and the speaker is deactivated.
 Being blind, I can’t see any pictures associated with this article. 
Thus, I wonder if direct frequencies can be entered on the radio itself or just 
on the remote. Radio is preferred. 
I’m glad there’s no soft muting or audio dropouts while tuning. But 
I’d love to know how the 8800’s FM reception compares to the two Sonys most 
commonly used by FM DXers, as well as the 1100.
This may have been answered by the article, but if so, I didn’t catch 
it. The Tecsun 1100 has memory scan on FM which can be triggered by pressing 
the tuning dial in. (Unfortunately, the memory scan times out after an hour.) I 
wonder if the 8800 has this memory scan, and if the annoying timeout exists on 
the 8800.

As you can see, FM is top priority for me. I have enough interference here that 
AM is generally something that I recall listening to, not something I enjoy 
much these days. However, good enough AM performance might get me more 
interested in going further afield where interference is less of a problem. But 
FM is the real ticket. I’m always looking for better FM than I have with the 
Sony XD-S3Hd and the Tecsun CR-1100.

--
Rick 


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From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Gibson
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2017 11:11 AM
To: Mailing List for the International Radio Club of America 

Subject: [IRCA] Tecsun S-8800 AM/LW/SW/FM Field Radio With Remote

https://radiojayallen.com/tecsun-s-8800-amlwswfm-field-radio-with-remote/

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Re: [IRCA] Policing the AM BCB

[Rick Lewis]

Paul,
Your post reminds me of something that happened to me. One winter, the
weekend afternoon jock forgot to change to our directional pattern, and the
six-to-midnight jock neglected to either check it or change it.
I wasn't on duty yet, but I answered the phone while a taped public-service
program was running, and it was a listener who was very glad to be receiving
our station at night for a change. I apologized for what I had to do, but
thanked him for calling, and immediately made the appropriate pattern
change.
You're right. As much fun as the DXing hobby is, broadcast violations can
have serious consequences.
In this instance, I thought that DXers had gotten a 7-hour chance to hear
the station, which was a bonus for them. And I'd have liked that if I'd
benefited from it. But once I knew about it, I would be complicit if I
didn't make sure it stopped right away.
Regarding station monitoring, I don't understand people who care so little
about stations they're involved with that they don't check on things.
I was always grateful for informative listeners, and if the information was
false, no harm done. At least the listener cared enough to call. And, often
unlike today, someone at the station cared enough to answer that call.
Good for you for giving a damn. Not enough people do.
--
Rick


-Original Message-
From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Paul B.
Walker, Jr.
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 3:24 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America

Subject: Re: [IRCA] Policing the AM BCB

Speaking as a DX'er and a broadcaster of 14 years...

I've had listeners call me and tell me one of my stations had a problem.
For instance, I answered the phone at WKBI/WDDH once and had a listener
tell me "The music on classy 1400 is playing under the news" I said
"thanks, let me run and look what happened" hung up and fixed it.

If I know a station is automated/unattended, I would check on it several
times a day while in the building, and at least once or twice at home,
usually right before bed. I also check over the weekend when not in the
office.

BUT, and this is a BIG BUTT.. that is just what *I* do. It is not meant to
be a reflection on other broadcasters, my OCD doesn't allow me not to deal
with things like this. I've NEVER EVER knowingly had a problem occur with a
station I was in charge of for more then 6 hours. In most cases, it was
fixed in an hour or less.. if not mere minutes.

As a DX'er, I have regularly called up or emailed stations when something
has gone wonky.   When living in Connecticut,  the local AM was dead air
when it should've had talk programming going. I called up the sister
country station down the hall and said "Uhh, your AM across the hall is
dead air"  Jock: "Thanks, i'll go check" clickThat was said in the
hurried, let me go fix it fashion, not rudeness

I emailed a station just this week after noticing them on well past sunset
3 days in the last week. Owner replied and thanked me for alerting him to
the problem.

When a chief engineer friend of mine had his 10KW Day/3 tower, 1kw night/6
tower station get stuck on day power and pattern well after dark I called
him up right away to let him know, so he could log in from home and fix it.

What I do find ironic, or rather interesting.. is if a station is cheating
wether on purpose or on accident for a few days, many DX'ers are known to
look the other day if it's a much needed item in the log books. However,
once it becomes a pest, they want to burn that station at the stake

You can't have it both ways.

I am a broadcaster first and foremost, it pays my bills. My responsibility
is to protect the license and reputation of the stations I work for, and to
a much smaller extent, the licenses of the stations that some of my best
friends work for. You won't be able to convince me otherwise, rea;lly

Paul


On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 6:13 PM,  wrote:

> About a week ago I noticed that WCPT 820 had a horrible
> echo effect in their audio.  I don't know when it started
> as I don't check this frequency that often.  This echo
> went on for a few more days until I finally notified the
> station by e-mail.
>
> And, a day and a half later their audio problem is corrected.
>
> The question I have is;  Don't station owners, and staff,
> check their night signal every day?  All it would take is
> a few minutes to tune in and if everything is fine tune
> out.
>
> Why do they wait for some listener to complain before
> checking their own signal?
>
> Over the past 25 years, at least once a year, I have
> contacted a station somewhere in the mid-west about a
> problem with their signal.
>
> And I have gotten mixed feedback.  One local station,
> after a phone call (before e-mail existed), actually
> thanked me for calling.  Another station when called
> actually told me in so many words to mind my own business.
>  The guy said "Who the hell are you to tell me that WE
> 

Re: [IRCA] Many thanks from RCI's Ian McFarland

[Rick Lewis]

Colin,
I meant to submit my birthday wishes to Ian, but it got past me and it
shouldn't have. I'll never forget my surprise when I found that RCI's
recorded schedule for blind users was done by Ian McFarland himself. That
was a treasure from a man who certainly had plenty on his plate.
Ian has much to be proud of. To many listeners, he _was_ Canada.
--
Rick


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From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of R. Colin
Newell
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2017 12:09 PM
To: Hard-Core-DX ; Mailing list for the
International Radio Club of America 
Subject: [IRCA] Many thanks from RCI's Ian McFarland

"To all my SWL friends & colleagues,  I can't tell you how much I
enjoyed reading
all your birthday wishes & comments that Colin so kindly collected &
transcribed from all your e-mails.

For this old man it was a most enjoyable exercise in pure nostalgia.  Thank
you all so very much!

There were lots of familiar names on those messages, and of
course, to be truthful, lots of names that weren't familiar after so many
years.

Memory loss is, after all, one of the unfortunate drawbacks
of getting to the age that people refer to as "elderly"!  I find it hard to
believe that I retired from RCI over a quarter century ago now, mercifully,
some years before its impending virtual destruction over the
next few years.

I'm just grateful that I was at RCI during almost 25
years of RCI's heyday.

 I'm also grateful for all the opportunities I had to travel to Europe, the
U.S. and other parts of Canada to attend a
variety of SWL gatherings and have the opportunity to talk with so many of
my listeners.  I'm sure that over my years at RCI I met many times more
listeners than the rest of RCI staff and management combined.

Attending all those events, including the three ANARC conventions that were
hosted by RCI, gave me many useful insights into what our listeners
liked to hear about, and the determined efforts they made, especially in the
noisy interference ridden listening environment in Europe, to tune in to my
SWL Digest program.

I can't tell you how much that meant to
me.  Many thanks again for all your wonderful birthday wishes & comments.

Cheers for now & Good Listening everyone.  Kind regards. Ian.

"

-- 
Colin Newell - Editor and creator *of *Coffeecrew.com
 and DXer.ca  -
VA7WWV | Twitter @CoffeeCrew | Victoria - Canada
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Re: [IRCA] 1540 KASA Phoenix, AZ Spanish talk New here

[Rick Lewis]

You'd never get KASA on their puny night power. If it's still there, I'll
have to try for it.
--
Rick Lewis
Seattle

-Original Message-
From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Gibson
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 8:32 PM
To: Mailing List for the International Radio Club of America
<irca@hard-core-dx.com>
Subject: Re: [IRCA] 1540 KASA Phoenix, AZ Spanish talk New here

I think it was on day power after sunset today. Around the same time you
heard it there was a station underneath and sometimes almost as strong as
KMPC, which I have never heard before. I suspect it was KASA. The carriers
were on slightly different frequencies. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 2, 2017, at 6:22 PM, Dennis Vroom <vroom...@ymail.com> wrote:
> 
>  1540 KASA Phoenix, AZ with Spanish talk. Radio Casa and KASA ID at 6:01
P.M. PST. Weak signal mixing with KXPA Bellevue, WA. Wonder if they were on
daytime power? New here.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Dennis  Vroom, 
> Kalama, WA
> JRC NRD 545 bog SE 280'
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Re: [IRCA] 900 KBIF Fresno, CA New station here

[Rick Lewis]

I've never gotten KBIF here in Seattle, but received it frequently from The
Dalles, Oregon.
This time in October is likely a good time to look for it.
--
Rick

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From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Pete Taylor
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2016 4:17 PM
To: Dennis Vroom ; IRCA 
Subject: Re: [IRCA] 900 KBIF Fresno, CA New station here

KBIF is heard here frequently. It was heard two nights in a row with very
good levels around 8pm PDT while we were driving around South Lake Tahoe a
couple of weeks ago. 

Pete Taylor
Tacoma, WA
12225w 4719n
HQ180 & ICF2010
Kiwa aircore & Palomar loops
DX398, SRF-59 & M37V
Eton E100 + Tecsun PL-300/380






> On Oct 22, 2016, at 10:10 PM, Dennis Vroom via IRCA
 wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Dennis Vroom 
> Subject: 900 KBIF Fresno, CA New station here
> Date: October 22, 2016 at 10:10:16 PM PDT
> To: "irca@hard-core-dx.com" 
> Reply-To: Dennis Vroom 
> 
> 
> Good evening,
> 
> 900 KBIF CA Fresno, 10/23 9:53 PM PDT Good signal with about 10 straight
call letter IDs. New station here.
> 
>  Best regards,
> 
> Dennis  Vroom, 
> Kalama, WA
> JRC NRD 545 
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Re: [IRCA] File size limit

[Rick Lewis]

Chuck,
In the bad old days of mailing lists, even small files contained worms and
malware.
As a moderator, I remember getting nearly 300 rejected copies of one after
it inadvertently got on the list and low size limits were set so it would be
rejected.
Fortunately for us, antivirus programs and operating systems have gotten
smarter, and the bad guys are using different methods. 
It's not much work for a moderator to approve larger messages.
It's also worth remembering that one person's joy is another's annoyance,
and lots of people don't appreciate getting large files they didn't solicit.
--
Rick
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From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hutton
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 3:56 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America

Subject: Re: [IRCA] File size limit

I can't say I like the idea of requiring someone 24 x 7 x 365 to manually
make the same decision that the list software should do automatically.

Chuck

From: IRCA  on behalf of Bill Whitacre

Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 10:39 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] File size limit

I don't know Colin.  I'm on an awful lot of Mailman-hosted mail lists.  I
admin a few myself.  Under normal circumstances the admin gets an email
whenever a message is held up.  He/she can then go in and moderate it
through or take any number of actions.  Perhaps all that's needed is a more
active list admin who can use some judgement and moderate thru some oversize
messages?

May not be the total solution to what you're after but it's a start.

My 2 cents.

Bill Whitacre
Alexandria, VA

-

> On Sep 4, 2016, at 4:53 PM, coffee_canuck  wrote:
>
> The actual system this email system runs on has long passed its best
before date -- not even sure that there have been any updates in years.
>
> Being blunt: you are barking up the wrong tree if you expect any change to
happen anytime soon.
>
> I manage a list exactly like this at UVic with over 1000 readers. I am
replacing it with MailChimp as we speak. All these ListServ systems are on
highly borrowed time.
>
> Colin Newell - CoffeeCrew.com - VA7WWV - Victoria - BC
>
>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 1:45 PM, Walter Salmaniw  wrote:
>>
>> Phil, my beef is trying to send DXpedition results.   For me, they may be
>> over a week or more, when I'm at my DX heaven in Masset.  Invariably, 
>> I go over the 35 kb limit.  When typing, I have no idea when I get close.
>> That's what's so frustrating to me.  I feel like asking, "what's the 
>> point?".  Personally, I think a several MB limit makes sense, 
>> especially allowing for small audio clips, as well, without having to use
a host.
>> 73,...Walt
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Phil Bytheway via IRCA < 
>> irca@hard-core-dx.com> wrote:
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>>> Subject: File size limit
>>> So far, I have not received any form of proposal regarding the file 
>>> size limit.
>>> If I were to get one, with an appropriate "new" limit, I would 
>>> forward it to the IRCA Board of Directors for voting. Nor do I even 
>>> know of the folks hosting our eGroup would be willing to make a change
for us.
>>>
>>> I personally, have no idea what sort of limit to suggest, but I 
>>> would shy away from "unlimited".
>>> Please someone, put something together or it will never happen. Phil 
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Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Chuck,
More robust? I'll grant that. But in the demonstrations done here, I didn't
find the sound to be better. The same? Yes. Better, no.
Unless those tests weren't done in a way that would show the potential of
all-digital IBOC.
--
Rick

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From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hutton
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 5:34 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America

Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test
Results

It should be mentioned that all digital IBOC sounds better than hybrid IBOC
and is more robust. The question is whether it is good enough to spark more
interest and then more interest sparks more receivers. Or: the FCC does
something to force the issue, an unlikely possibility given their lack of
desire so far.

Chuck


From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Edmunds

Sent: Friday, April 29, 2016 10:45 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test
Results

Going to all digital might or might not solve interference issues but the
cost for stations to do so coupled with the lack of interest already and the
lack of receivers would indeed likely be the final nail in the coffin.

Russ Edmunds
15 mi NW Phila
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On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Patrick Martin  wrote:

> My take on this, is total suicide of AM Radio, if they move to All 
> digital. Few HD radios available if someone wanted to buy one and more  
> is moving to streaming.
>
> Patrick Martin
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> > From: wb6...@gmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:11:31 -0700
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> > Subject: [IRCA] Layer Announces All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test
> Results
> >
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Re: [IRCA] All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results Unveiled

[Rick Lewis]

Russ,
At least in the Seattle area all-HD tests, the interference was much
greater.
One would expect the opposite, since the hash would be in the center of the
main frequency, but the hash was maybe two or three times more intense than
in the hybrid mode.
Thus, 1360 in Tacoma was mixed with noticeable HD hash during the KRKO
tests, although none is heard normally.
The area's 1400 is a much weaker station, and it stood no chance against the
HD onslaught.
Incidentally, I'm not local to KRKO. It's a strong signal which can be heard
in HD during the day, but not a full-quieting local.
Same for 1520, which is in Snohomish County (I'm in King County.)
Based on the tests I've heard, the hash from a completely local HD station
would be so noisy in analog that it could persuade analog AM listeners to
turn it off rather than even look around for other stations on the dial.
If the AM band were a mix of HD-only and analog signals, it would be almost
like having a bunch of vacuum cleaners running, each taking up a total of
60kHz.
I think that's the most graphic way I can explain what it sounded like in
analog.
But even in an all-HD situation, power would likely need to drop
considerably to keep HD-only stations from interfering with each other. 
I can't see how all-HD signals would work compatibly in either a mixed or
total HD mode.
It was that bad.
--
Rick

-Original Message-
From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Russ Edmunds
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 1:51 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America

Subject: Re: [IRCA] All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results Unveiled

Bottom line, this is, after all, the NAB, and their mantra is "More, more
more stations". I would expect their rsults to understate the potential
issues.

That said, a straight up digital signal would occupy the center of the main
channel - where today's analog signal is. And the digital signal should
occupy less bandwidth by itself and a typical analog signal. The IBOC hybrid
mode has the analog signal at center and the two hybrid digital signals on
either side. Thus the combined IBOC signal occupies substantially more
bandwidth than a single digital signal. That's why Chuck said ( or one
reason why ) it wasn't comparable. But that also doesn't predict much else.

Russ Edmunds
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modified Sony ICF2010 w/whip


On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Nick Hall-Patch  wrote:

> It's quite easy to correlate Chuck.  Just add ignorance and stir.  I 
> don't believe they actually said anything much about the digital 
> signal, so assumption of all digital IBOC can reasonably be added to 
> that mix.  (other details about demodulation of the analog signal are 
> also missing)
>
> Audio examples would be nice, and might help to convince the doubters.
>
>
> http://www.radiomagonline.com/deep-dig/0005/broadcast-engineering-conf
> erence-radio-technology-forum-sessions/37600
> offers descriptions of the conference sessions, but I haven't been 
> able to quickly track down any more detailed results than what Dennis
linked to.
>
> http://diymedia.net/old/stuff/AM_IBOC_Test.pdf  has a nice graphic on 
> the first page which I assume is what Chuck is alluding to in terms of the
> difference  between present IBOC and all-digital IBOC.   Is that the case
> Chuck?  If so, perhaps you could suggest a listening test that could 
> be done with today's systems (thereby saving me the trouble of doing it
> incorrectly)?   Those secondary OFDM subcarriers already sound pretty
nasty
> on KRKO's signal this morning, and they would be stronger in the 
> digital only version.
>
> best wishes,
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 05:03 22-04-16, you wrote:
>
>> ...
>>
>> I don't see how you can correlate hybrid IBOC to all digital IBOC. 
>> What you hear with KRKO/KAST is different from what you will hear 
>> with all digital as the power spectrum and subcarrier levels are 
>> vastly different.
>>
>> Chuck
>> 
>> From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick 
>> Hall-Patch < n...@ieee.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 4:51 AM
>> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
>> Subject: Re: [IRCA] All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results 
>> Unveiled
>>
>> I presume "D/U" abbreviation in this piece refers to "desired / 
>> undesired"?
>>
>> I wonder if someone recorded audio from those tests, rather than just
>> tossing dB's around?   I have a recording of KAST-1370 from this
>> morning that says otherwise, with KRKO-1380 IBOC sidebands about 25dB 
>> down andwelll, KAST is readable, but I wouldn't say it's lacking
>> interference.   The noise becomes really dominant if KAST is less
>> than 

Re: [IRCA] All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results Unveiled

[Rick Lewis]

Chuck,
I'm convinced that any incomplete transition to digital would be so chaotic,
and the results so unacceptable for listeners, that it would be the last
nail in the coffin for AM.
First people would need a reason to convert to HD.
The audio sounds so artificial that it's fatiguing.
The hash is so overpowering that the interference levels would be far
greater than anything our electronic landscape creates.
Fortunately, it would take less of a signal for an HD station to lock, but
non-HD stations would suffer greater interference.
Unfortunately, neither KRKO nor the 1520 did their HD during the originally
scheduled nighttime hours, so I never found out if their weaker signals
locked into HD here. I would have been truly amazed if 1520's HD could have
overcome the interference from Oregon (the Saturday reschedule would have
been great, since Lake Oswego was weak, but equipment problems prevented the
night test.)
I suspect KRKO would have succeeded at night.
Incidentally, the promos talked about how clear the stereo was going to be,
etc., but the program sources for both stations was all mono, yes, even the
music on 1520.
And quite compressed, too.
--
Rick

-Original Message-
From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hutton
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 9:55 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America

Subject: Re: [IRCA] All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results Unveiled

You can bet on that, as it would be impossible for each and every station to
switch over at the same time. 
If the FCC mandates a switch to all digital, there would need to be a long
time period for that to occur to allow transmission equipment equipment to
be available, stations to buy the equipment as money is available, engineers
to install and test the system, all sorts of sonsumer receivers to become
available and for the public to buy receivers. 
If the FCC didn't mandate a switch and left it to market forces, expect the
transition to never be complete.

Chuck

From: IRCA  on behalf of Russ Edmunds

Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 10:44 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results Unveiled

If the intent were for all stations to go digital, then such a test would be
meaningless; this suggests therefore that there is contemplation of mixing
all digital with analog all within the AM band ??

Russ Edmunds
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On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 1:03 AM, Chuck Hutton  wrote:

> Yes, desired to undesired is often-used nomenclature in the 
> communications world.
>
> I don't see how you can correlate hybrid IBOC to all digital IBOC. 
> What you hear with KRKO/KAST is different from what you will hear with 
> all digital as the power spectrum and subcarrier levels are vastly 
> different.
>
> Chuck
> 
> From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick 
> Hall-Patch < n...@ieee.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 4:51 AM
> To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results 
> Unveiled
>
> I presume "D/U" abbreviation in this piece refers to "desired /
undesired"?
>
> I wonder if someone recorded audio from those tests, rather than just
> tossing dB's around?   I have a recording of KAST-1370 from this
> morning that says otherwise, with KRKO-1380 IBOC sidebands about 25dB 
> down andwelll, KAST is readable, but I wouldn't say it's lacking
> interference.   The noise becomes really dominant if KAST is less
> than ~15dB above the IBOC level.
>
> best wishes,
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
> At 21:05 21-04-16, you wrote:
> >
> http://www.radioworld.com/article/all-digital-am-co-channel-lab-test-r
> esults-unveiled/278670
> >
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Re: [IRCA] All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results Unveiled

[Rick Lewis]

Somewhere on an SD card I do have audio from the KRKO test. I'm in northeast
Seattle
I'll see if I can locate it and post it somewhere.
I can tell you, though, that there was enough HD hash on 1360 to make
listening unpleasant for the casual listener, and that doesn't normally
happen with KRKO's huybrid HD mode. It's possible that if I were nearer to
KRKO, the hash would have spread further.
And based on what I heard, I'd have to assume that 30-kHz between local
all-HD signals would be the minimum required, maybe 40.
 --
Rick

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From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Hutton
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2016 10:04 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America

Subject: Re: [IRCA] All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results Unveiled

Yes, desired to undesired is often-used nomenclature in the communications
world.

I don't see how you can correlate hybrid IBOC to all digital IBOC. What you
hear with KRKO/KAST is different from what you will hear with all digital as
the power spectrum and subcarrier levels are vastly different.

Chuck

From: IRCA  on behalf of Nick Hall-Patch

Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 4:51 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] All-Digital AM Co-Channel Lab Test Results Unveiled

I presume "D/U" abbreviation in this piece refers to "desired / undesired"?

I wonder if someone recorded audio from those tests, rather than just
tossing dB's around?   I have a recording of KAST-1370 from this
morning that says otherwise, with KRKO-1380 IBOC sidebands about 25dB down
andwelll, KAST is readable, but I wouldn't say it's lacking
interference.   The noise becomes really dominant if KAST is less
than ~15dB above the IBOC level.

best wishes,

Nick




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Re: [IRCA] AM Revitalization: From Hard Facts to Whimsical Fantasy

[Rick Lewis]

Colin, 
We stream mainly oldies, but a few other specialized shows, 24/7, and
usually it's trouble-free.
And as good as a local FM station would sound.
Been doing Internet radio for more than 12 years, and running my own station
for nearly eight of them.
Yes, problems can occur, (we had a five-week period when Comcast would get
choppy during nighttime hours), and sometimes there are other Internet
issues, but I'd say it works well more than 95 percent of the time.
As Chuck indicates, , your experience isn't typical. 
It might be partially due to instability of the stations you select, your
wireless network, or you could be trying to listen to AAC+ streams on a WiFi
radio that does mp3.
But your experience should be better.
I'd first try listening to streams that are specifically mp3.
(In this increasingly mobile world, many stations are using AAC+, which is
iPhone-friendly, but may not be compatible with your Internet device..)
--
Rick

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Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 12:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] AM Revitalization: From Hard Facts to Whimsical Fantasy

Come on, Colin. If streaming was really that bad, no one would do it.
Perhaps you have a local problem. While you fix it, I'll continue listening
to my streaming all day.

Chuck




> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 08:37:38 -0700
> From: coffeecan...@gmail.com
> To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
> Subject: Re: [IRCA] AM Revitalization: From Hard Facts to Whimsical 
> Fantasy
>
> I have a Wifi radio as well - never use it. I can find an interesting 
> stream and listen to it for 10 or 15 minutes then it either vanishes 
> or the radio needs to be re-booted
>
> Streaming is the same - it is sort of live and often delayed 10 to 15s 
> or more and it's pathway to you is exceedingly fragile.
>
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Re: [IRCA] Coast To Coast AM, George Noory, and Criticalhealthnews.com

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Les,
We all make our own decisions, but I do wonder if it's a bit extreme to 
penalize a radio company because it buys advertising on the same program as a 
product that you consider questionable.
Would you stop drinking coffee or wearing Levi's if they sponsored the same 
show? (Fill in one of your favorite things if these don't apply.)
Essentially, though, I agree with you. It's a shame that radio obtains revenue 
from such products.
I'd also count the nonpeak-hours paid programming on radio and TV, touting 
questionable cures and investment strategies.
True, border blasters hyped everything from goat gland remedies to pieces of 
prayer cloth purportedly worn by Jesus, but in my admittedly much younger days 
in radio, most U.S. stations took responsibility for what they aired.
Granted, they couldn't guarantee that their listeners would like drinking root 
beer, but they wouldn't run root beer ads if the manufacturers said it would 
cure cancer.
I'm not saying that no garbage was advertised in the past; that would be 
nonsense.
But I do think the standards were generally much higher.
As a side thought, it bothers me that competing ads are placed in the same set, 
as well as repeated ads for the same product.
That wouldn't have deliberately happened at the stations I worked for in the 
70s and most of the 80s.
In my view, this reflects laziness and lack of integrity, and it rips off 
advertisers.
On the other hand, radio isn't the go-to place for entertainment that it once 
was, and maybe the conditions that existed in the past wouldn't work in today's 
marketplace.
--
Rick

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Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 12:56 PM
To: IRCA Radio List - irca@hard-core-dx_com 
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Coast To Coast AM, George Noory, and Criticalhealthnews.com

Rick,

You’re quite right. I am old enough to remember the border blasters, and the 
miracle cures they hocked. 

What I do think is different is that even people like Wolfman Jack had trouble 
making a living back in those days as on on-air personality. But George Noory 
has a lucrative career on television, as a paid speaker at conferences, and 
even a stake in an on-line dating service. It’s hard to imagine that he’s 
having trouble paying the bills. 

Given that it was all built not on his own talents, but rather that of Art 
Bell, I don’t find him a sympathetic figure. He’s preying on the weakness of an 
older audience, who trust him. He should be deeply ashamed of his actions. 

I won’t be listening to the show, or buying products from it’s sponsors in the 
future. Sadly, this includes CC Crane Company, who I’ve bought a number of 
products from over the years. 


73,

Les Rayburn, N1LF
121 Mayfair Park
Maylene, AL 
EM63nf

Member WTFDA, IRCA, NRC. Former CPC Chairman for NRC & IRCA. 

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> On Mar 22, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Rick Dau  wrote:
> 
> To be quite honest, Les, this is nothing new.  Back when Art Bell hosted the 
> program, he used to do reads for a product called Dr. Duplisky's Super 
> Prostate Formula.  I would listen to one of these and think that it all 
> sounded like a lot of hooey.
> 
> Now, I'm too young to remember this (I'm 51 and didn't start DXing until 
> 1981), but I've heard stories about how, back in the 1950s and 1960s, the 
> border blasters like XERF would run ads for doctors that were only slightly 
> less shady than snake oil salesmen.  Supposedly they would hawk things like 
> goat gland operations that were designed to spice up your sex life, or some 
> such.   Makes me think that maybe all-night radio hasn't changed much through 
> the years, after all.
> 
> 73,
> Rick Dau
> South Omaha, Nebraska EN21af
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Re: [IRCA] first California xband stations

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Paul,
You're probably right, and it probably was 1650. Lots of years ago, a
different location, and no references to fall back on, just questionable
memory.
--
Rick

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Subject: Re: [IRCA] first California xband stations

Isn't what was Saul Levine's bander now KFOX 1650 Torrance/Los Angeles?

Paul

On Thursday, March 3, 2016, Rick Lewis <rick...@shellworld.net> wrote:

> Didn't Saul Levine, the owner of KGIL San Fernando have one on 1660?
> --
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> -Original Message-
> From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com <javascript:;>] On 
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> Subject: Re: [IRCA] first California xband stations
>
> I believe KXBT in the Bay Area was one of them, they switched back 
> between
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Re: [IRCA] first California xband stations

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Didn't Saul Levine, the owner of KGIL San Fernando have one on 1660?
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] first California xband stations

I believe KXBT in the Bay Area was one of them, they switched back between
1630 and 1640. Ms

Sent from my iPod

> On Mar 3, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Jim B  wrote:
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Re: [IRCA] [NRC-AM] Audacity editing problem

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Saul,

What you're describing sounds like a sampling incompatibility.

I use goldwave, and it has settings in Control Properties, Device, labeled
Playback Quality.

I have Audacity but haven't used it yet, but I'd go to the Edit menu,
Preferences, and Quality.

I'd try setting it at a sampling rate of 44100, and experiment with 16 bit,
then 24 bit, then 32 bit floating, and see if your results improve.

I suspect that another application may have changed your sound card
settings, and Audacity may need to be reset to match.

Just a guess, but worth trying.

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Re: [IRCA] KKDZ-1250 format change

[Rick Lewis]

Here in Seattle I have yet to hear a legal ID on 1250 during periodic
listening since the format change was first noted on Saturday.
But they call it Desi Radio (sounds like Daisy.)
I don't know what Desi means, but I've heard it used on other radio stations
with Indian-language formats.
 The station's website is http://www.desi1250am.com.
RadioInsight reports that its format is similar to that of KLOK-1170 in San
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Re: [IRCA] IBOC Hash AM vs FM OT question

[Rick Lewis]

Pat,
At least here in northern Seattle, KNHC is MUCH weaker than the other 
Seattle area stations. Even KBCS-91.3 in Bellevue is stronger now that 
they're transmitting from Cougar Mountain.

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On Tue, 19 May 2015, Patrick Martin wrote:

Thanks Scott. I kind of follow it. 88.1 is interesting here, as when I first tune to it on the Sony, I get analog KWAO Ocean Park WA, but within seconds, HD signal KQOC Gleneden Beach OR takes over the frequency and locks the HD, totally eliminating analog KWAO. Infact on any portable on non HD radio, all I get is KWAO. I was quite taken back when the Sony gave me KQOC!  The same is true with 96.5. When I first tune it in, I am getting analog KCYS Seaside, with within seconds again (depending of the signal), KJAQ Seattle locks the frequency. At that point hearing KCYS takes work and I have to turn the yagi to knock KJAQ down  to get local KCYS. It is odd sounding to me.  Also sometimes when I land on 96.5, I immediately get the KJAQ ID, before I get the station! So the audio is KCYS (also Country) and I am getting the ID RDS from KJAQ.  I guess that is what you have explained, but it is different to say the least! So the sub channels I am hearing, when they pop in at 1% of 

th

e analog signal. I thought I might get some HD from Seattle as I know that 
years ago when the powers were a lot less (60s/70s), some ran a couple KW or so 
from Cougar Mt and I got them in full FM Stereo. One I wanted was KNHC 89.5, 
but so far no luck. even in analog. I used to get it years ago off and on, but 
I did have a better yagi. I may stack two FM6's. I'll say one thing, HD FM is a 
different thing. It will be interesting with E Skip. I guess I could get the 
RDS ID without getting the audio from the station too, depending on how stable 
the signal is. Being away from FM DX for 25 years, the dial is sure a lot 
different than it was.

Patrick

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager


Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 14:19:15 -0400
From: sc...@fybush.com
To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Subject: Re: [IRCA] IBOC Hash AM vs FM OT question

For those who are interested in the technical reasons why Patrick
doesn't get the same kind of adjacent-channel hash that those of us in
urban areas do, read on. For those who don't...another thread will be
along shortly with convention news ;)

--

As far as propagation is concerned, there is nothing at all magical
about the digital signals that flank the analog FM signal to create HD
radio on FM. The ionosphere doesn't care whether it's analog or digital
modulation. If a signal is (a) strong enough to be received and (b)
doesn't have something stronger sitting over it, you'll get it. If
either of those factors doesn't exist, you won't.

So: it helps to think of the digital signal as something separate from
the analog. If you're getting KUOW in HD, for instance, you're really
getting:

--94.6 ---

KUOW lower digital carriers (on the same piece of spectrum used by an
analog 94.7 signal)

--94.8 ---

KUOW analog signal (centered at 94.9)

--95.0 ---

KUOW upper digital carriers (on the same spectrum used by an analog 95.1
signal)

--95.2 ---

Depending on the station's technical setup, the digital signal may
literally be completely separate from the analog. At WXXI-FM, for
instance, our digital signal uses a separate transmitter, separate
transmission line and separate antenna bays interleaved with our analog.
It is possible (albeit not currently legal) for us to completely turn
off our analog transmission chain and run only the digital carriers. If
you were listening on an analog radio, you'd hear nothing on 91.5 (or
maybe even be able to DX something else on that frequency), but an HD
radio would detect the digital carriers and still give you WXXI-FM when
tuned to 91.5.

The digital carriers operate at much lower power levels than the analog.
Initially, digital operated at just 1% of analog, or 20 dB below carrier
(-20 dBc). More recently, the FCC has started allowing stations to use
higher power levels of 4% (-14 dBc) or even 10% (-20 dBc) of analog.

So using KUOW as an example, let's say it's still -20 dBc. That's 100kW
in analog and 1 kW in digital. If you're in metro Seattle, that 1 kW
digital is plenty to still ride right over anything else that might be
coming on the adjacent channels of 94.7 and 95.1. If you're way down in
Seaside, though, those 1 kW digital signals are DX: point a good antenna
right at Seattle and you might get them strongly enough to decode, IF
there's nothing else in the way on those frequencies. Point the antenna
away from Seattle or disconnect it and you won't hear much of anything,
as would be the case with ANY signal of 1000 watts from 100+ miles away.

This leads to a bunch of interesting DX scenarios when you start to
break it all down:

For instance - let's say that you were a little closer to your
semi-local on 94.9, enough so for it to be an un-nullable pest. But
let's also say that your local 94.9 is analog-only. So you 

Re: [IRCA] IBOC Hash AM vs FM OT question

[Rick Lewis]

Pat, 
To me it sounds like you have the ideal FM situation.
The benefits of HD without the massive interference.
You'll get plenty of skip on those adjacents, too.
In the city itself, the HD hash is so strong that it wipes out most
adjacents, unless a way is found to null it somewhat. 
I calculated once that 42 channels (out of a total of 100 FM channels) are
significantly blocked for me in Seattle by HD hash.
At one time that would have meant just 21 local frequencies, but since all
HD signals effectively take up three frequencies, that means there are 63
frequencies blocked locally instead of the 21 there would have been without
the encroachment of HD.
As for smaller cities, with the exception of public stations that can get
grants to install HD, you're right, the economics don't favor it in many
cases.
The purchase of a new transmitter at over a hundred grand, plus licensing
fees for the technology, make it hard to justify, although some owners will
do it since it allows them to use a loophole that lets them apply for a
translator to retransmit the HD signal in analog.
I'll hold back regarding my opinions on _that_, since we've probably already
discussed this too much on an AM-related list.
--
Rick 

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From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Martin
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 10:33 PM
To: IRCA
Subject: Re: [IRCA] IBOC Hash AM vs FM OT question

Rick,

I am really amazed that I easily turn the Yagi to the NE, and I lose 94.9 
96.5 Seaside and get Seattle. In fact both for a time yesterday I got the
sub channels they offer. I may stack two of the FM6, if I can figure out how
to stack three antennas on one pole. I also have a UHF Yagi. But I think the
height would be an issue. The pole would have to be 18 feet rather than my
15 feet. I do not know if I could keep it up in our winds.

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

 From: rick...@shellworld.net
 To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
 Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 07:15:15 -0700
 Subject: Re: [IRCA] IBOC Hash AM vs FM OT question
 
 Patrick,
 You're also really benefiting from the gain your antenna is providing, 
 favoring the distant signals and somewhat nulling your locals.
 Most FM HD users won't have that benefit.
 --
 Rick
 -Original Message-
 From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Rick 
 Lewis
 Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 7:05 AM
 To: 'Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America'
 Subject: Re: [IRCA] IBOC Hash AM vs FM OT question
 
 Hi Patrick,
 Sounds to me like you're working with, and benefiting from, very 
 narrow filters on your FM.
 At least in my experience with the Sony X-drs3Hd and other radios at 
 their factory settings without extra filtering, if an HD decodes, 
 adjacents won't be heard.
 Granted, Seattle doesn't have trop the way the Northeast or southern 
 California does.
 The Sony filters out much of the HD noise, but adjacents are still 
 covered up.
 I also have a Tecsun portable CR-1100. Unusually, it doesn't filter 
 out the HD noise on adjacents.
 I'm sure most people find those huge blocks of noise objectionable, 
 but not me, because most of the time you can tell how well you're 
 nulling out the HD adjacent. Some HD signals are misleading, but in 
 many cases, even strong HD signals can be nulled out enough to that a 
 semistrong station can defeat them.
 I'm blind, so I can't say how well the Sonys indicate nulling visually 
 and whether this can be helpful.
 But with the CR-1100 it's easy to audibly determine when an HD 
 adjacent is being nulled.
 On the Sony it's not.
 --
 Rick
 
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 From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Mike 
 Hawkins
 Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 1:51 AM
 To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
 Subject: Re: [IRCA] IBOC Hash AM vs FM OT question
 
 I don't get hash on distant FM stations, but there really isn't hash at
all.
 Its a blanking of adjacents.  You have to remember too that they are 
 using lower power for the digital components.  If they up the power, 
 you'll get the full force of the signal.
 
 They try to convince us that this is the future of radio, but the last 
 thing I want is to know whether Rush Limbaugh is wheezing.  AM is 
 sports or conservative talk.  FM is I-Heart-Monopoly.  If it weren't 
 for skip, I would listen exclusively to the all-news station until I got
bored with it.
 Outside of the DX groups, I don't even know anyone who listens to 
 radio anymore.  I know nobody who even owns a HD radio.  They have had 
 years to get one, so where are they.  I think the only thing that HD 
 radio has really accomplished is to lose all of the non-locals and 
 semi-locals in the noise left behind by the artifacts.
 
 The fidelity doesn't matter if the choices are non-existent.  Elvis 
 left the building years ago.
 
 Mike
 
 On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 1:11 AM, Patrick Martin mwd...@webtv.net wrote:
 
  Thanks Mike. It sounds like

Re: [IRCA] IBOC Hash AM vs FM OT question

[Rick Lewis]

Patrick,
You're also really benefiting from the gain your antenna is providing,
favoring the distant signals and somewhat nulling your locals.
Most FM HD users won't have that benefit.
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From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lewis
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 7:05 AM
To: 'Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America'
Subject: Re: [IRCA] IBOC Hash AM vs FM OT question

Hi Patrick,
Sounds to me like you're working with, and benefiting from, very narrow
filters on your FM.
At least in my experience with the Sony X-drs3Hd and other radios at their
factory settings without extra filtering, if an HD decodes, adjacents won't
be heard.
Granted, Seattle doesn't have trop the way the Northeast or southern
California does.
The Sony filters out much of the HD noise, but adjacents are still covered
up. 
I also have a Tecsun portable CR-1100. Unusually, it doesn't filter out the
HD noise on adjacents.
I'm sure most people find those huge blocks of noise objectionable, but not
me, because most of the time you can tell how well you're nulling out the HD
adjacent. Some HD signals are misleading, but in many cases, even strong HD
signals can be nulled out enough to that a semistrong station can defeat
them.  
I'm blind, so I can't say how well the Sonys indicate nulling visually and
whether this can be helpful.
But with the CR-1100 it's easy to audibly determine when an HD adjacent is
being nulled.
On the Sony it's not.
--
Rick

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From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hawkins
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 1:51 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] IBOC Hash AM vs FM OT question

I don't get hash on distant FM stations, but there really isn't hash at all.
Its a blanking of adjacents.  You have to remember too that they are using
lower power for the digital components.  If they up the power, you'll get
the full force of the signal.

They try to convince us that this is the future of radio, but the last thing
I want is to know whether Rush Limbaugh is wheezing.  AM is sports or
conservative talk.  FM is I-Heart-Monopoly.  If it weren't for skip, I would
listen exclusively to the all-news station until I got bored with it.
Outside of the DX groups, I don't even know anyone who listens to radio
anymore.  I know nobody who even owns a HD radio.  They have had years to
get one, so where are they.  I think the only thing that HD radio has really
accomplished is to lose all of the non-locals and semi-locals in the noise
left behind by the artifacts.

The fidelity doesn't matter if the choices are non-existent.  Elvis left the
building years ago.

Mike

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 1:11 AM, Patrick Martin mwd...@webtv.net wrote:

 Thanks Mike. It sounds like, at least in your case, the FM IBOC noise 
 is an issue if on a local station. Do you get any IBOC FM Hash on 
 distant stations? As I mentioned, even the powerful 88.1 from Newport 
 down the coast, it is stable and I get both channels FM1  FM2, yet on 
 88.3 I hear a mix of Portland and some translator. I have compared a 
 non-IBOC near an IBOC, both distant signals and I do not notice 
 anything different. The hash must be wiped out at some distance then. I am
glad we have no IBOC locally.
 At least for now. Our stations for the most part have little money, so 
 I doubt we will get any soon. Two stations do run RDS though. KFMY 
 99.7 I never detected the RDS before I got the FM6 up. The other is 
 KOAC FM 89.7 and they are strong in RDS.

 Patrick Martin
 Seaside OR
 KGED QSL Manager

  Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 00:57:49 -0700
  From: michael.d.hawk...@gmail.com
  To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
  Subject: Re: [IRCA] IBOC Hash AM vs FM OT question
 
  To me, FM IBOC is like bacon sizzling as its cooking.  It not as
 obnoxious
  as it is on AM, but it has the same effect.  As an example, 97.3 in 
  San Francisco (xmtr 20 or so miles away) runs IBOC.  It does not 
  have obvious artifacts on adjacent channels.  If they turn it off 
  (as they sometimes do), I immediately have a strong signal from 
  Visalia CA (200 miles away) and a RDS readout.  I don't get RDS on 
  97.5, but I also get a strong
 signal
  from 97.5 in Merced about 130 miles away.  Its effect is as bad on 
  FM as
 it
  is on AM.  You just don't notice how bad it really is until you can 
  do an IBOC on/IBOC off comparison.
 
  I have a college station on 91.1 that uses HD 1 mile away from me.  
  I cannot get the Sacramento powerhouse on 90.9 until I am 15-20 
  miles away, and if I hear anything at all on 91.3, I know its skip.  
  The Stockton station on 91.3 NEVER comes in at all.
 
  Mike Hawkins
 
  On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 12:33 AM, Patrick Martin mwd...@webtv.net
 wrote:
 
   This is a bit off tropic, but I know some of you DX FM at times. I 
   just got an FM6 yagi up and I am very impressed with the Sony XFR
radio.
 Between
   the filters

Re: [IRCA] IBOC Hash AM vs FM OT question

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Patrick,
Sounds to me like you're working with, and benefiting from, very narrow
filters on your FM.
At least in my experience with the Sony X-drs3Hd and other radios at their
factory settings without extra filtering, if an HD decodes, adjacents won't
be heard.
Granted, Seattle doesn't have trop the way the Northeast or southern
California does.
The Sony filters out much of the HD noise, but adjacents are still covered
up. 
I also have a Tecsun portable CR-1100. Unusually, it doesn't filter out the
HD noise on adjacents.
I'm sure most people find those huge blocks of noise objectionable, but not
me, because most of the time you can tell how well you're nulling out the HD
adjacent. Some HD signals are misleading, but in many cases, even strong HD
signals can be nulled out enough to that a semistrong station can defeat
them.  
I'm blind, so I can't say how well the Sonys indicate nulling visually and
whether this can be helpful.
But with the CR-1100 it's easy to audibly determine when an HD adjacent is
being nulled.
On the Sony it's not.
--
Rick

-Original Message-
From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hawkins
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 1:51 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] IBOC Hash AM vs FM OT question

I don't get hash on distant FM stations, but there really isn't hash at all.
Its a blanking of adjacents.  You have to remember too that they are using
lower power for the digital components.  If they up the power, you'll get
the full force of the signal.

They try to convince us that this is the future of radio, but the last thing
I want is to know whether Rush Limbaugh is wheezing.  AM is sports or
conservative talk.  FM is I-Heart-Monopoly.  If it weren't for skip, I would
listen exclusively to the all-news station until I got bored with it.
Outside of the DX groups, I don't even know anyone who listens to radio
anymore.  I know nobody who even owns a HD radio.  They have had years to
get one, so where are they.  I think the only thing that HD radio has really
accomplished is to lose all of the non-locals and semi-locals in the noise
left behind by the artifacts.

The fidelity doesn't matter if the choices are non-existent.  Elvis left the
building years ago.

Mike

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 1:11 AM, Patrick Martin mwd...@webtv.net wrote:

 Thanks Mike. It sounds like, at least in your case, the FM IBOC noise 
 is an issue if on a local station. Do you get any IBOC FM Hash on 
 distant stations? As I mentioned, even the powerful 88.1 from Newport 
 down the coast, it is stable and I get both channels FM1  FM2, yet on 
 88.3 I hear a mix of Portland and some translator. I have compared a 
 non-IBOC near an IBOC, both distant signals and I do not notice 
 anything different. The hash must be wiped out at some distance then. I am
glad we have no IBOC locally.
 At least for now. Our stations for the most part have little money, so 
 I doubt we will get any soon. Two stations do run RDS though. KFMY 
 99.7 I never detected the RDS before I got the FM6 up. The other is 
 KOAC FM 89.7 and they are strong in RDS.

 Patrick Martin
 Seaside OR
 KGED QSL Manager

  Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 00:57:49 -0700
  From: michael.d.hawk...@gmail.com
  To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
  Subject: Re: [IRCA] IBOC Hash AM vs FM OT question
 
  To me, FM IBOC is like bacon sizzling as its cooking.  It not as
 obnoxious
  as it is on AM, but it has the same effect.  As an example, 97.3 in 
  San Francisco (xmtr 20 or so miles away) runs IBOC.  It does not 
  have obvious artifacts on adjacent channels.  If they turn it off 
  (as they sometimes do), I immediately have a strong signal from 
  Visalia CA (200 miles away) and a RDS readout.  I don't get RDS on 
  97.5, but I also get a strong
 signal
  from 97.5 in Merced about 130 miles away.  Its effect is as bad on 
  FM as
 it
  is on AM.  You just don't notice how bad it really is until you can 
  do an IBOC on/IBOC off comparison.
 
  I have a college station on 91.1 that uses HD 1 mile away from me.  
  I cannot get the Sacramento powerhouse on 90.9 until I am 15-20 
  miles away, and if I hear anything at all on 91.3, I know its skip.  
  The Stockton station on 91.3 NEVER comes in at all.
 
  Mike Hawkins
 
  On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 12:33 AM, Patrick Martin mwd...@webtv.net
 wrote:
 
   This is a bit off tropic, but I know some of you DX FM at times. I 
   just got an FM6 yagi up and I am very impressed with the Sony XFR
radio.
 Between
   the filters and sensitivity, it leaves my old Pioneer TX9100 in 
   the
 dust
   (1970s). Anyway, out here on the Northern Oregon Coast we have no 
   AM
 or FM
   HD stations. The nearest are Newport (100 miles), Portland (75 
   miles),
 or
   Seattle (130 miles). I have received several FM stations in HD. A 
   few
 stay
   locked and others come and go. But so far I have not detected any 
   hash
 on
   adjacent frequencies. None. The tuner is very 

Re: [IRCA] IBOC Hash AM vs FM OT question

[Rick Lewis]

Apologies, last post on this.
Thinking further, there's probably a middle level of local HD signal that's
strong enough to decode but weak enough to allow adjacents to be heard as
well.
In my case, the only station that might be in this category only has one HD
channel, and it decodes properly.
I can get skip signals on the adjacents, and could probably barely decode an
HD-2 if it existed.
I'm done. Sorry about the multiple messages.
--
Rick


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From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lewis
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 7:15 AM
To: 'Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America'
Subject: Re: [IRCA] IBOC Hash AM vs FM OT question

Patrick,
You're also really benefiting from the gain your antenna is providing,
favoring the distant signals and somewhat nulling your locals.
Most FM HD users won't have that benefit.
--
Rick
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From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Rick Lewis
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 7:05 AM
To: 'Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America'
Subject: Re: [IRCA] IBOC Hash AM vs FM OT question

Hi Patrick,
Sounds to me like you're working with, and benefiting from, very narrow
filters on your FM.
At least in my experience with the Sony X-drs3Hd and other radios at their
factory settings without extra filtering, if an HD decodes, adjacents won't
be heard.
Granted, Seattle doesn't have trop the way the Northeast or southern
California does.
The Sony filters out much of the HD noise, but adjacents are still covered
up. 
I also have a Tecsun portable CR-1100. Unusually, it doesn't filter out the
HD noise on adjacents.
I'm sure most people find those huge blocks of noise objectionable, but not
me, because most of the time you can tell how well you're nulling out the HD
adjacent. Some HD signals are misleading, but in many cases, even strong HD
signals can be nulled out enough to that a semistrong station can defeat
them.  
I'm blind, so I can't say how well the Sonys indicate nulling visually and
whether this can be helpful.
But with the CR-1100 it's easy to audibly determine when an HD adjacent is
being nulled.
On the Sony it's not.
--
Rick

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From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hawkins
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 1:51 AM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] IBOC Hash AM vs FM OT question

I don't get hash on distant FM stations, but there really isn't hash at all.
Its a blanking of adjacents.  You have to remember too that they are using
lower power for the digital components.  If they up the power, you'll get
the full force of the signal.

They try to convince us that this is the future of radio, but the last thing
I want is to know whether Rush Limbaugh is wheezing.  AM is sports or
conservative talk.  FM is I-Heart-Monopoly.  If it weren't for skip, I would
listen exclusively to the all-news station until I got bored with it.
Outside of the DX groups, I don't even know anyone who listens to radio
anymore.  I know nobody who even owns a HD radio.  They have had years to
get one, so where are they.  I think the only thing that HD radio has really
accomplished is to lose all of the non-locals and semi-locals in the noise
left behind by the artifacts.

The fidelity doesn't matter if the choices are non-existent.  Elvis left the
building years ago.

Mike

On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 1:11 AM, Patrick Martin mwd...@webtv.net wrote:

 Thanks Mike. It sounds like, at least in your case, the FM IBOC noise 
 is an issue if on a local station. Do you get any IBOC FM Hash on 
 distant stations? As I mentioned, even the powerful 88.1 from Newport 
 down the coast, it is stable and I get both channels FM1  FM2, yet on 
 88.3 I hear a mix of Portland and some translator. I have compared a 
 non-IBOC near an IBOC, both distant signals and I do not notice 
 anything different. The hash must be wiped out at some distance then. I am
glad we have no IBOC locally.
 At least for now. Our stations for the most part have little money, so 
 I doubt we will get any soon. Two stations do run RDS though. KFMY 
 99.7 I never detected the RDS before I got the FM6 up. The other is 
 KOAC FM 89.7 and they are strong in RDS.

 Patrick Martin
 Seaside OR
 KGED QSL Manager

  Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 00:57:49 -0700
  From: michael.d.hawk...@gmail.com
  To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
  Subject: Re: [IRCA] IBOC Hash AM vs FM OT question
 
  To me, FM IBOC is like bacon sizzling as its cooking.  It not as
 obnoxious
  as it is on AM, but it has the same effect.  As an example, 97.3 in 
  San Francisco (xmtr 20 or so miles away) runs IBOC.  It does not 
  have obvious artifacts on adjacent channels.  If they turn it off 
  (as they sometimes do), I immediately have a strong signal from 
  Visalia CA (200 miles away) and a RDS readout.  I don't get RDS on 
  97.5, but I also get a strong
 signal
  from 97.5 in Merced about 130

Re: [IRCA] TWR Bonaire Power Up Project

[Rick Lewis]

Patrick,
About eight years ago I'd read that XEROK's radials were in very poor 
shape and that their effective power was something like 18,000 watts.
And that situation was continuing to deteriorate, so that figure may be 
far lower now.

--
Rick

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Re: [IRCA] WA stations turned off

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Patrick,
I can verify the following:
1. No trace of KBRO-1490, and they have a reasonable signal here. Not
pleasure listening for most people, but fully readable; or at least they
were!
2. The 1460 in Kirkland is back on, sort-of. 
I can't tell you when they returned, because they're so weak that they're
below the noise in the room where I normaly check.
At night they'd be swamped by Yakima and everything else on the frequency. I
wonder if they're even listenable in Kirkland, day or night.
But I'm sure that officially they're no longer silent ... but who would
know?
Bob Dylan said You gotta serve somebody. Well, if you're Family Radio in
Kirkland, maybe not.
Or at least not yet.
Incidentally, a low-quality ID was heard around 1 o'clock over the currently
running Family Radio program.
--
Rick
-Original Message-
From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Martin
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:30 PM
To: IRCA; B Wien
Subject: [IRCA] WA stations turned off

According to the NW Broadcasters site, several more smaller WA stations have
gone silent. They are KLDY-1280, KNTB-1480, and KBRO-1490. I have not
checked to see if they are off as yet, but 1280 is probably the only one I
could check for sure during the day. Anyone in the Puget Sound verify this?

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager  
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Re: [IRCA] 1560 Saturday

[Rick Lewis]

Marc, 
I'm presuming that you're using some sort of graphic method for sending your
email?
I'm blind and use a screen reading program.
Lately all of your messages show as being empty.
--
Rick


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DeLorenzo via IRCA
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 5:06 AM
To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Subject: [IRCA] 1560 Saturday

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Re: [IRCA] [mwdx] 1560 NYC off

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Dennis,
I think KNZR was a clear channel allotment when it came on the air in the 1930s 
as KPMC. (1932, I think.)
I don't know when the 1560 in NYC came on the air.
--
Rick
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From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Gibson
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 4:46 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] [mwdx] 1560 NYC off

Quite a few stations west of WQEW are daytimers with critical hours authority. 

A little trivia. WQEW is authorized to use its daytime facilities until sunset 
at KNZR in Bakersfield, CA; three extra hours. I don't know why. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:27 PM, Sylvain Naud sylvainnau...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Le 2015-02-17 18:59, Saul Chernos a écrit :
 As of 1850 est
 --
 
 Thanks for the tip. I've just heard the WKDO ID, 15-60 AM, WKDO
 
 Sylvain Naud
 Portneuf, QC
 Perseus + 350ft Beverage NE-SW
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Re: [IRCA] 1560 NYC off

[Rick Lewis]

Dennis,
I don't rrecall exactly when, (I think it was after I left Bakersfield), but I 
think the 25Kw day power for KPMC/KNZR began in the late 1980s.
I remember them as 10Kw day and night. 
They mainly signed off at midnight till the early 70s, then ran till 1 AM or 
later.
They had so many local sports commitments that a few Saturday nights they'd run 
live Bakersfield College sports, and then they'd run tape-delayed sports 
events, sometimes until nearly 5:45 AM sign-on.
--
Rick

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From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Gibson
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 8:47 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] 1560 NYC off

I don't know but asked someone who might. 

As for the WQEW/KNZR situation the only unusual thing I could find is that KNZR 
is a grandfathered Class A; 25 kW daytime and 10 kW nighttime. Most Class A 
stations are 50 kW full time. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:34 PM, Rick Dau drummer196...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 And according to Earl Higgins, KCJJ in Iowa City (which was on 1560 with 1 kw 
 back in the day) was required to SIGN OFF COMPLETELY at Iowa City sunset to 
 protect KPMC and then allowed to sign back on at Bakersfield sunset!  Is that 
 true?  I asked KCJJ's current owner (someone who wasn't even involved with 
 the station until 1994) about that, and he says that was never the case.  
 But, then again, his knowledge of station history is a bit foggy.  He keeps 
 denying that they signed off 1560 for good on October 13, 1998 with the 
 Beatles' The End, when I KNOW that they did, because I recorded the darn 
 thing.   73, Rick Dau  South Omaha, Nebraska
 From: wb6...@gmail.com
 Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:45:43 -0800
 To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
 Subject: Re: [IRCA] [mwdx] 1560 NYC off
 
 Quite a few stations west of WQEW are daytimers with critical hours 
 authority. 
 
 A little trivia. WQEW is authorized to use its daytime facilities until 
 sunset at KNZR in Bakersfield, CA; three extra hours. I don't know why. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Feb 17, 2015, at 4:27 PM, Sylvain Naud sylvainnau...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Le 2015-02-17 18:59, Saul Chernos a écrit :
 As of 1850 est
 --
 
 Thanks for the tip. I've just heard the WKDO ID, 15-60 AM, WKDO
 
 Sylvain Naud
 Portneuf, QC
 Perseus + 350ft Beverage NE-SW
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Re: [IRCA] KRKO KKXA DIGITAL

[Rick Lewis]

Too bad. Last night would have been perfect for KKXA. I couldn't even hear a
trace of KGDD.
KKXA seemed louder than mormal, but not as loud as KGDD often is.
I wonder if that's going to nix KKXA's daytime test as well.
--
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From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Paul B.
Walker, Jr.
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 10:20 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: Re: [IRCA] KRKO  KKXA DIGITAL

And they just posted on Facebook that the transmitter died..they're In
analog at 12kw.

Paul
On Oct 4, 2014 10:17 PM, Patrick Martin mwd...@webtv.net wrote:

 Sounds like KKXA may be having some issues.

 Patrick Martin
 Seaside OR
 KGED QSL Manager

  From: p...@comcast.net
  Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 21:21:52 -0700
  To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
  Subject: [IRCA] KRKO  KKXA DIGITAL
 
  I think they are a little loosy-goosey on the schedule. At 9 tonight
 (PDT) KKXA was running two songs simultaneously (Jolene plus one 
 other) but as of 9:17, after a one-minute promo heralding their all 
 digital status and offering gas card prizes if you tell them when the 
 station drops out, they are still analog. I will try it again later.
 
  Pete Taylor
  Tacoma, WA
  12225w 4719n
  HQ180  ICF2010
  Kiwa aircore  Palomar loops
  DX398, SRF-59  M37V
  Eton E100 + Tecsun PL-300/380
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [IRCA] KRKO KKXA DIGITAL

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Patrick,
I'm glad you got that bonus of hearing KRKO pre-sunset.
As I mentioned, I don't think the audio quality is that impressive, but I'm
glad we in the Northwest have had a chance to find out firsthand.
--
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Re: [IRCA] KRKO in digital mode

[Rick Lewis]

God love 'em for testing at a time not listed on their website, and when I
wasn't available to hear it.
I hope they test at all of the listed times.
--
Rick

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From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Portzer
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 11:22 PM
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
Subject: [IRCA] KRKO in digital mode

KRKO-1380 is running its digital test broadcast.  I don't know when it
started but I first noticed it a few minutes before 11 pm Pacific time.

The signal occupies exactly +/- 10 kHz bandwidth.  The +/- 5kHz portion is
about 15 dB stronger than the part that's 5-10kHz above and below 1380.

1370 is free of interference on the lower sideband, as is 1390 on the upper
sideband.

I don't have a compatible receiver, so I can't comment on how it sounds.

Bruce in Seattle
about 25 miles south of the KRKO transmitter

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Re: [IRCA] KRKO DIGITAL

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Pete and All,
1370 is covered in noise, and 1360 is more affected by the noise than in
hybrid HD mode.
I believe I'm about 30 miles from the transmitter.
In this test I don't know what they've done and what they haven't done.
No question about it; KRKO wasn't decoding before the test; they are now.
As expected, their HD coverage is better.
But the bit rate isn't better, so the audio is swishy and unpleasant. The
highs are artificial, and the audio is fatiguing.
On average, the Sony takes about four seconds to decode the signal versus
about eight seconds in hybrid mode.
HD proponents would undoubtedly consider this a success.
As a listener, even putting my DX preferences aside, I expected better. I
wouldn't listen to audio like this on a PC, and I certainly wouldn't do it
on a radio.
Standard AM sounds better. It may have fewer highs, (and I love hearing high
frequencies!), but it's easier on the ears.
--
Rick 

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From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Pete Taylor
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 10:11 AM
To: IRCA of America
Subject: [IRCA] KRKO DIGITAL

I tuned in to KRKO-1380 about 10:03 PDT this morning and it was operating in
normal analog. At 10:05, it switched to digital. All white noise which
extended over 1390. I couldn't tell what was happening on 1370 since the
KKMO-1360 transmitter is one mile away.

Pete Taylor
Tacoma, WA
12225w 4719n
HQ180  ICF2010
Kiwa aircore  Palomar loops
DX398, SRF-59  M37V
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Re: [IRCA] KKXA-1520 Still In Analog

[Rick Lewis]

Patrick,
I think I'm less than 30 miles from KKXA's site, and it's not very strong at
nnight.
Maybe the tightest pattern I've ever seen at such a short distance.
But KGDD is massive here. Since I'm blind, thus I don't drive, I've never
been able to ascertain the extent of KKXA's usable signal at night.
Even in their pattern, I'd expect it to be negligible.
Years ago when I worked at daytime-only KACI in The Dalles, there's no way
they could have gotten an effective night signal with KMPS in Seattle's
massive signal also on 1300.
Even so, after I left the area, KACI did get night authorization for a few
watts.
(And look what happened to Seattle's 1300, now KKOL, a shadow of their
former facility.)
But the KACI/KMPS situation of the 80s is similar to 1520, except that KGDD
is probably three times louder than KMPS was on 1300 in The Dalles.

--
Rick

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From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Patrick
Martin
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 12:20 AM
To: IRCA
Subject: Re: [IRCA] KKXA-1520 Still In Analog

Rick,

You are hearing KGDD up there in the shadow of KKXA? They must have one
tight pattern. How close are you from the two tx sites?

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

 From: rick...@shellworld.net
 To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 22:01:00 -0700
 Subject: Re: [IRCA] KKXA-1520 Still In Analog
 
 Hi Patrick,
 Their webpage now omits tonight's test on KKXA, but adds one on 
 Tuesday the 7th from 9 PM to 1 AM.
 Everything I previously read indicated a window of October 2-6, but 
 it's right there at:
 http://www.everettpost.com/pages/11648427.php
 KGDD is so loud tonight that it took me 3 minutes to verify that I was 
 hearing country on 1520.
 -
 Rick
 -Original Message-
 From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Patrick 
 Martin
 Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 9:40 PM
 To: IRCA
 Subject: Re: [IRCA] KKXA-1520 Still In Analog
 
 Rick,
 
 I just checked too and KKXA is in analog at 9:39 PM, but they are 
 weak, pretty much buried under KGDD here. CX are not the best.
 
 Patrick Martin
 Seaside OR
 KGED QSL Manager
 
  From: rick...@shellworld.net
  To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
  Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 21:35:06 -0700
  Subject: [IRCA] KKXA-1520 Still In Analog
  
  There's a discrepancy between their website and their on-air promo, 
  and it looks like the promo is correct.
  
  KKXA-1520 is still analog this evening. I'll leave a recorder 
  running in case they do something receivable during the later part 
  of the window, but they're promoting Saturday night, so I'll try again
then.
  
  --
  
  Rick Lewis
  
   
  
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[IRCA] Curious To See How Everett WA Am Stations Perform In Digital-Only Test

[Rick Lewis]

First of all, two stations, co-owned KRKO-1380 in Everett WA, and KKXA-1520
in the same county, will be testing in all-digital mode for several periods
between now and Tuesday morning.

Both stations will test for one seven-hour period during the day and two
four-hour periods during the night.

The first test will be on KKXA-1520 Thursday night from 9 PM to 1 AM. 

No test will begin on Friday.

The second test will be on KRKO-1380 on Saturday from 9:30 AM to 4:30 PM.

The following two tests wil be on KKXA-1520:

Saturday 9 PM-1 AM and Sunday 9:30 AM-4:30 PM.

And the final two will be nighttime tests on KRKO-1380: 

Sunday and Monday nights from 9 PM to 1 AM.

 

I have no doubt that the daytime tests for both stations will please station
owners and the IBOC proponents.

Both stations are currently well-received in Seattle via IBOC in the
daytime, with 50,000-watt signals coming from an adjacent county.

The night signals may be trickier.

Even though 1380 has other occupants, it may decode at night. It has a
better signal with less fading and interference.

KKXA-1520 has strong interference at night from a station in Lake Oswego,
Oregon near Portland.

I believe some areas of northern California get KKXA better than we do in
Seattle, but the interference from the pre-existing Oregon station is
formidable.

I'll be very surprised if KKXA consistently locks in Seattle at night, but
that's what tests are for.

The meaningful real-world test would be for all-digital on KKXA and the
Oregon station. 

Anyway, it _will_ be fascinating.

This is no WBT situation at night! I haven't received either station via
IBOC at night, although both are received well on day pattern. 

I hope to be recording at least some of each test in HD mode, using nothing
fancy--a Sony XDR S3HD radio with its supplied AM loop.

--

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[IRCA] Curious to See How Everett WA AM Stations Perform In Digital-Only Tests

[Rick Lewis]

First of all, two stations, co-owned KRKO-1380 in Everett WA, and KKXA-1520
in the same county, will be testing in all-digital mode for several periods
between now and Tuesday morning.

Both stations will test for one seven-hour period during the day and two
four-hour periods during the night.

The first test will be on KKXA-1520 Thursday night from 9 PM to 1 AM. 

No test will begin on Friday.

The second test will be on KRKO-1380 on Saturday from 9:30 AM to 4:30 PM.

The following two tests wil be on KKXA-1520:

Saturday 9 PM-1 AM and Sunday 9:30 AM-4:30 PM.

And the final two will be nighttime tests on KRKO-1380: 

Sunday and Monday nights from 9 PM to 1 AM.

 

I have no doubt that the daytime tests for both stations will please station
owners and the IBOC proponents.

Both stations are currently well-received in Seattle via IBOC in the
daytime, with 50,000-watt signals coming from an adjacent county.

The night signals may be trickier.

Even though 1380 has other occupants, it may decode at night. It has a
better signal with less fading and interference.

KKXA-1520 has strong interference at night from a station in Lake Oswego,
Oregon near Portland.

I believe some areas of northern California get KKXA better than we do in
Seattle, but the interference from the pre-existing Oregon station is
formidable.

I'll be very surprised if KKXA consistently locks in Seattle at night, but
that's what tests are for.

The meaningful real-world test would be for all-digital on KKXA and the
Oregon station. 

Anyway, it _will_ be fascinating.

This is no WBT situation at night! I haven't received either station via
IBOC at night, although both are received well on day pattern. 

I hope to be recording at least some of each test in HD mode, using nothing
fancy--a Sony XDR S3HD radio with its supplied AM loop.

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[IRCA] Apologies For Double Post Re AM digital Test

[Rick Lewis]

I waited several hours before posting the second time, and reposted via
another method, hoping the second one would succeed where the first had
failed.
Then you got them both. My apologies.
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[IRCA] Curious To See How Everett WA AM Stations Perform In Digital-Only Tests

[Rick Lewis]

First of all, two stations, co-owned KRKO-1380 in Everett WA, and 
KKXA-1520 in the same county, will be testing in all-digital mode for 
several periods between now and Tuesday morning.
Both stations will test for one seven-hour period during the day and two 
four-hour periods during the night.

The first test will be on KKXA-1520 Thursday night from 9 PM to 1 AM.
No test will begin on Friday.
The second test will be on KRKO-1380 on Saturday from 9:30 AM to 4:30 PM.
The following two tests wil be on KKXA-1520:
Saturday 9 PM-1 AM and Sunday 9:30 AM-4:30 PM.
And the final two will be nighttime tests on KRKO-1380:
Sunday and Monday nights from 9 PM to 1 AM.

I have no doubt that the daytime tests for both stations will please 
station owners and the IBOC proponents.
Both stations are currently well-received in Seattle via IBOC in the 
daytime, with 50,000-watt signals coming from an adjacent county.

The night signals may be trickier.
Even though 1380 has other occupants, it may decode at night. It has a 
better signal with less fading and interference.
KKXA-1520 has strong interference at night from a station in Lake Oswego, 
Oregon near Portland.
I believe some areas of northern California get KKXA better than we do in 
Seattle, but the interference from the pre-existing Oregon station is 
formidable.
 I'll be very surprised if KKXA consistently locks in Seattle at night, 
but that's what tests are for.
The meaningful real-world test would be for all-digital on KKXA and the 
Oregon station.

Anyway, it _will_ be fascinating.
This is no WBT situation at night! I haven't received either station via 
IBOC at night, although both are received well on day pattern.
I hope to be recording at least some of each test in HD mode, using 
nothing fancy--a Sony XDR S3HD radio with its supplied AM loop.

--
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Re: [IRCA] Apologies For Double Post Re AM digital Test

[Rick Lewis]

I'm hoping that there's no special menu item on the Sony that requires
changing for this test. (I think I read somewhere that some radios require
settings changes for all-digital broadcasts.)
If the defaults work fine, I'm wondering if a non-analog broadcast will get
a faster lock, for example.
--
Rick


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Martin
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:44 PM
To: IRCA
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Apologies For Double Post Re AM digital Test

Rick,

No problem. It is better to have it posted twice than not at all. I am glad
you posted this as I do have the Sony receiver and I plan to try for the
night tests at least. I doubt I could decode either in the day here. KRKO is
heard 24/7, but is weak here days. KKXA is buried under KGDD.

73,

Patrick

Patrick Martin
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KGED QSL Manager

 From: rick...@shellworld.net
 To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 08:39:14 -0700
 Subject: [IRCA] Apologies For Double Post Re AM digital Test
 
 I waited several hours before posting the second time, and reposted 
 via another method, hoping the second one would succeed where the 
 first had failed.
 Then you got them both. My apologies.
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[IRCA] KKXA-1520 Still In Analog

[Rick Lewis]

There's a discrepancy between their website and their on-air promo, and it
looks like the promo is correct.

KKXA-1520 is still analog this evening. I'll leave a recorder running in
case they do something receivable during the later part of the window, but
they're promoting Saturday night, so I'll try again then.

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Re: [IRCA] KKXA-1520 Still In Analog

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Patrick,
Their webpage now omits tonight's test on KKXA, but adds one on Tuesday the
7th from 9 PM to 1 AM.
Everything I previously read indicated a window of October 2-6, but it's
right there at:
http://www.everettpost.com/pages/11648427.php
KGDD is so loud tonight that it took me 3 minutes to verify that I was
hearing country on 1520.
-
Rick
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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 9:40 PM
To: IRCA
Subject: Re: [IRCA] KKXA-1520 Still In Analog

Rick,

I just checked too and KKXA is in analog at 9:39 PM, but they are weak,
pretty much buried under KGDD here. CX are not the best.

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

 From: rick...@shellworld.net
 To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 21:35:06 -0700
 Subject: [IRCA] KKXA-1520 Still In Analog
 
 There's a discrepancy between their website and their on-air promo, 
 and it looks like the promo is correct.
 
 KKXA-1520 is still analog this evening. I'll leave a recorder running 
 in case they do something receivable during the later part of the 
 window, but they're promoting Saturday night, so I'll try again then.
 
 --
 
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Re: [IRCA] Apologies For Double Post Re AM digital Test

[Rick Lewis]

I imagine they'll use their night power but 100 percent of it in digital.
Curious if they might run a small full-power test after midnight one of
those nights.
Not sure what they're authorized to do, but I'd think they'd be able to run
full power after midnight, at least briefly.
Hope there's less KGDD either Saturday or Tuesday.
--
Rick
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Martin
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 9:49 PM
To: IRCA
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Apologies For Double Post Re AM digital Test

Are KKXA and KRKO using full power in digital? If they are, the signal may
lock better. KRKO is probably the only shot I have, as KGDD is just too
strong on 1520 along with KOKC.

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

 From: rick...@shellworld.net
 To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 13:35:08 -0700
 Subject: Re: [IRCA] Apologies For Double Post Re AM digital Test
 
 I'm hoping that there's no special menu item on the Sony that requires 
 changing for this test. (I think I read somewhere that some radios 
 require settings changes for all-digital broadcasts.) If the defaults 
 work fine, I'm wondering if a non-analog broadcast will get a faster 
 lock, for example.
 --
 Rick
 
 
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 From: IRCA [mailto:irca-boun...@hard-core-dx.com] On Behalf Of Patrick 
 Martin
 Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:44 PM
 To: IRCA
 Subject: Re: [IRCA] Apologies For Double Post Re AM digital Test
 
 Rick,
 
 No problem. It is better to have it posted twice than not at all. I am 
 glad you posted this as I do have the Sony receiver and I plan to try 
 for the night tests at least. I doubt I could decode either in the day 
 here. KRKO is heard 24/7, but is weak here days. KKXA is buried under
KGDD.
 
 73,
 
 Patrick
 
 Patrick Martin
 Seaside OR
 KGED QSL Manager
 
  From: rick...@shellworld.net
  To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
  Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 08:39:14 -0700
  Subject: [IRCA] Apologies For Double Post Re AM digital Test
  
  I waited several hours before posting the second time, and reposted 
  via another method, hoping the second one would succeed where the 
  first had failed.
  Then you got them both. My apologies.
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Re: [IRCA] KRKO(AM), KKXA(AM) Will Test All-Digital HD Radio

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Patrick,
Nope, promos say Saturday nnight for KKXA, not Friday night.
No harm in checking, though!
--
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Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 9:53 PM
To: IRCA
Subject: Re: [IRCA] KRKO(AM), KKXA(AM) Will Test All-Digital HD Radio

Thanks Dennis. Then the coverage should be better. No sign of KKXA in HD
only tonight. According to Rick Lewis, their on the air promos speak on
Friday night now. Maybe they were not ready. I doubt I will hear KKXA in HD,
with the KGDD QRM, plus KOKC, but I do have a shot of KRKO, if it will lock
easier. 

Patrick Martin
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 From: wb6...@gmail.com
 Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 13:10:39 -0700
 To: a...@yahoogroups.com; irca@hard-core-dx.com
 Subject: [IRCA] KRKO(AM), KKXA(AM) Will Test All-Digital HD Radio
 
 I think this is a little different than the Radio World article.
  

http://radiomagonline.com/currents/krkoam_kkxaam_will_test_all-digital_hd_ra
dio_0930/
 
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Re: [IRCA] [mwdx] The AMFMTVDX list

[Rick Lewis]

The AMFMTVDX list is very much alive, and I didn't know Saul was having a 
list problem until now.
List ownership is becoming a challenge for anyone who does it.
I run an Internet radio station, and I can't even send the station URL to 
list members who have voluntarily joined that list because some antispam 
software is now blocking any messages that contain URLs.
Thus, I can't send my radio station's URL on its very own list.
Often, when people's messages bounce or any kind of delivery problem exists, 
their email providers don't let reports of these problems reach their users. 
They filter them out.
I doubt this situation will ever improve.
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Re: [IRCA] Sony XDRF1HD Radio

[Rick Lewis]

Patrick,
KFBK will definitely decode for you at times.
If KFI still had their old transmitter facility, it probably would, and may 
still from your location.
KEX probably will.
I'll be fascinated by what ends up decoding for you, even for just a few 
seconds.
As you know,it takes a pretty massive and steady signal to decode.
The only skywave signals I've decoded from Seattle are KEX and KFBK.
The 1640 has never been solid enough for long enough to decode, since the 
signal needs to maintain strength for nearly ten seconds.
You're in a much better location, and with those antennas, you'll have a fun 
time with this.
Incidentally, here in Seattle, all four area HD stations have decoded: KRKO 
1380 in Everett, 1520 in Snohomish County, KKDZ-1250 in Seattle and 
KFNQ-1090, also in Seattle.
KKDZ doesn't decode as well as their signal would indicate.
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Re: [IRCA] Sony XDRF1HD Radio

[Rick Lewis]

Thanks, Pat.
Due to very high noise levels here, I don't check AM as often as I should. 
Thanks for the updates.
Surprised about KEX; aren't they Clear Channel? I thought CC was pretty 
dedicated to keeping their IBOCs alive.
Less surprised about 1640. I've been expecting KKDZ to drop IBOC, especially 
since they don't run it from their nighttime site.
--
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Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Sony XDRF1HD Radio


Rick,

Thanks for the input. KEX is no longer IBOC. It hasn't used it for sometime. 
KKPZ 1330 I believe is the only AM Portland IBOCer now. As I cannot get any 
hash on 1630 from Radio Disney 1640.  They are strong enough to decode if 
using it. 1040 no longer uses it either. There are few IBOCers on AM left in 
OR. 1230 Medford was using it, but I don't know if they still are. WA has a 
lot more. Spokane 590 was using it, but I could not decode it last night. So 
far during the day only 1090 I could decode as well as 1330 Portland, but 
both pop in and out. Yes, KFI is weaker here than they used to. Maybe during 
a solar flare enhancing the South? But the Sony is an interested radio. I 
should try an FM Yagi to see what I get from Seattle or Portland. Even a 
small one should work.

Patrick

Patrick Martin
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KGED QSL Manager

 From: rick...@shellworld.net
 To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 10:48:02 -0700
 Subject: Re: [IRCA] Sony XDRF1HD Radio

 Patrick,
 KFBK will definitely decode for you at times.
 If KFI still had their old transmitter facility, it probably would, and 
 may
 still from your location.
 KEX probably will.
 I'll be fascinated by what ends up decoding for you, even for just a few
 seconds.
 As you know,it takes a pretty massive and steady signal to decode.
 The only skywave signals I've decoded from Seattle are KEX and KFBK.
 The 1640 has never been solid enough for long enough to decode, since the
 signal needs to maintain strength for nearly ten seconds.
 You're in a much better location, and with those antennas, you'll have a 
 fun
 time with this.
 Incidentally, here in Seattle, all four area HD stations have decoded: 
 KRKO
 1380 in Everett, 1520 in Snohomish County, KKDZ-1250 in Seattle and
 KFNQ-1090, also in Seattle.
 KKDZ doesn't decode as well as their signal would indicate.
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Re: [IRCA] Seattle's 1090 Now Using IBOC

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Patrick,
I'll check later today. But definitely IBOC on Monday morning and at around 
9 PM yesterday as well.
--
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Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Seattle's 1090 Now Using IBOC


Were they testing, or is it a Daytime thing? I just tried here on the 
Northern OR coast, 110 miles from KFNQ, and I get no IBOC hash. I get a bit 
on 1080, off the SW EWE, but I presume that from KNX, but nothing noted 
otherwise. KFNQ in quite strong here off the NE EWE too. No hash on 1100 
either. But at least no sign of any hash now. I will try tomorrow during the 
day. Strange that any new IBOCers on AM. Who is listening to IBOC on AM?

73,

Patrick

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
KGED QSL Manager

 From: rick...@shellworld.net
 To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 22:33:29 -0700
 Subject: [IRCA] Seattle's 1090 Now Using IBOC

 I may be late to this party, but noticed yesterday that KFNQ-1090 in 
 Seattle
 is now running IBOC. Not too surprising, since it's owned by CBS.
 Years ago I used to see them on IBOC lists but never heard the slightest
 hint of hash.
 Now 1080 and 1100 may be history here.
 Noted them with IBOC yesterday.
 I don't often visit that part of the dial, so don't know when they began
 using it, but it should easily decode on an HD radio here.
 --
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Re: [IRCA] Seattle's 1090 Now Using IBOC

[Rick Lewis]

Finally checked KFNQ out on the upstairs HD radio.
The HD decodes, but really, it sounds no better than their AM did before 
they introduced IBOC noise to it.
Granted, it sounds much quieter than it does on analog, but only because of 
the contrast from the hash now mixed with the analog signal.
How absurd!
--
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Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Seattle's 1090 Now Using IBOC


As Gomer Pyle would say Surprise..surprise..surprise. KFNQ is indeed IBOC. 
I can hear the sidebands as of this morning. No doubts about it! Not a big 
problem here, but it is there.

73,

Patrick

Patrick Martin
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KGED QSL Manager

 From: mwd...@webtv.net
 To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
 Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 01:25:42 -0700
 Subject: Re: [IRCA] Seattle's 1090 Now Using IBOC

 Were they testing, or is it a Daytime thing? I just tried here on the 
 Northern OR coast, 110 miles from KFNQ, and I get no IBOC hash. I get a 
 bit on 1080, off the SW EWE, but I presume that from KNX, but nothing 
 noted otherwise. KFNQ in quite strong here off the NE EWE too. No hash on 
 1100 either. But at least no sign of any hash now. I will try tomorrow 
 during the day. Strange that any new IBOCers on AM. Who is listening to 
 IBOC on AM?

 73,

 Patrick

 Patrick Martin
 Seaside OR
 KGED QSL Manager

  From: rick...@shellworld.net
  To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
  Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 22:33:29 -0700
  Subject: [IRCA] Seattle's 1090 Now Using IBOC
 
  I may be late to this party, but noticed yesterday that KFNQ-1090 in 
  Seattle
  is now running IBOC. Not too surprising, since it's owned by CBS.
  Years ago I used to see them on IBOC lists but never heard the slightest
  hint of hash.
  Now 1080 and 1100 may be history here.
  Noted them with IBOC yesterday.
  I don't often visit that part of the dial, so don't know when they began
  using it, but it should easily decode on an HD radio here.
  --
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Re: [IRCA] Seattle's 1090 Now Using IBOC

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Dennis,
Let me see if I can remember the model number
Sony Xdr S3-HD (could be SDR, I'm going from memory.)
It's similar to an unamplified unit (F1HD), which many FM DXers use.
I use it mainly for FM DXing. I don't think it's been available since 2010 
or 2011.
I agree about HD, both in its AM IBOC form and on FM, where, like AM, it 
takes up two adjacent frequencies.
However, HD radios need to be selective on FM, and the Sony is both quite 
selective and sensitive, which is why I bought it.
The downside to the Sony is that it stores digital FM frequencies, so if 
an HD is off, it takes several seconds for it to register no HD on a 
previously active HD sideband.
The only ways I know of to defeat this, at least for a nontechnical guy like 
me, is to turn off the unit for two minutes or more, and then the memories 
and HD placemarkers are erased, along with the tone and stereo settings; or, 
disconnect antennas and patch cords, thus possibly weakening signals so they 
don't decode.
FM stations with only the main HD channel, as well as AM stations, aren't 
subject to this behavior.
Several other HD radios I've seen don't have this feature.
For the curious, picture a 93.1 with two additional HD channels. 93.1-1 is 
the main, but turning the dial once yields the space where 93.1-2 would be, 
and then the space for 93.1-3.
If you've listened to those extra channels instead of rapidly tuning past 
them, those empties are stored. Next time you want to check 93.3, there'll 
be two extra slots after 93.1.
Hope I clarified rather than confused.
--
Rick


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From: Dennis Gibson wb6...@yahoo.com
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Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Seattle's 1090 Now Using IBOC


Which AM HD radio do you have? I don't think there has ever been a portable 
AM HD. Those that I know of are component tuners that require amplification. 
There are car stereo radios with HD but I don't know if they receive AM HD.

I would like to see it die a very quick death.

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:09:11 -0700
From: Rick Lewis rick...@shellworld.net
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America
   irca@hard-core-dx.com
Subject: Re: [IRCA] Seattle's 1090 Now Using IBOC

Finally checked KFNQ out on the upstairs HD radio.
The HD decodes, but really, it sounds no better than their AM did before
they introduced IBOC noise to it.
Granted, it sounds much quieter than it does on analog, but only because of
the contrast from the hash now mixed with the analog signal.
How absurd!
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Re: [IRCA] WBT's Digital Test - Is There Hope For A Digital AM

[Rick Lewis]

Randy,
That's what I thought, too.
Swishy, very artificial-sounding. You know what I do with a web stream that 
sounds like that? I ignore it and go somewhere else.
And if that's what IBOC-only AM sounds like, that's exactly what I'd do.
Although I've heard very few, so far I haven't heard, live or recorded, any 
AM IBOC that's pleasing to my ears.
I don't like the audio artifacts. I like hearing more high frequencies, but 
if they come with artifacts, I'd rather not have the highs.
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Re: [IRCA] Frequency Swap in Phoenix AZ

[Rick Lewis]

Mike,
The standards format on KOY no longer exists.
Everything else is status quo.
The confusing thing is that they're referring to KOY as 1230 KFYI.
Sad to see KOY go that route.
- Original Me--
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Subject: [IRCA] Frequency Swap in Phoenix AZ


If this was told of previously, I must have missed it. According to Facebook 
KOY 1230 has become KFYI with all news. I need to research and see what has 
become of KOY --and what stations now occupy 550 and 1360. ---Mike Sanburn

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Re: [IRCA] NW Radio questions

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Patrick,
After seeing your post, I checked KZIZ later yesterday afternoon here in 
northeast Seattle and their signal was weak as usual. Wish I'd been able to 
look when you sent your note.

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Subject: Re: [IRCA] NW Radio questions


Thanks Walt. I guess KUOW 1340 has shut off the IBOC for at least. KZIZ
1560 was sure strong. Maybe they did some tx work?

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] NW Radio questions

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Patrick,
Or something else (I'm not making any accusations here.)
For exampel, I remember one summer day in 1968 when 500- or 1,000-watt 
KLAN-1320 in Lemoore,
CA sounded every bit as strong as 5,000-watt KCOK in Tulare from my 
Bakersfield CA QTH.
Normally they had 25 percent of KCOK's signal strength.
I presumed that they were unintentionally exceeding their authorized power. 
I never heard them that strong again, unfortunately; I enjoyed the station, 
so it was a pleasure hearing such a good signal that day.
I was hoping they'd had a power increase, but it only occurred for a few 
hours.
--
Rick

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Subject: Re: [IRCA] NW Radio questions


Rick,

After seeing your post, I checked KZIZ later yesterday afternoon here
in northeast Seattle and their signal was weak as usual. Wish I'd been
able to look when you sent your note.

I checked this morning and KZIZ is back in the mud. I wonder if it was
just a freak in conditions? They were a powerhouse totally dominating
1560 like they were 50 miles away or less. This morning, I noticed the
usual Burbank WA off the Eastern Beverage and a weak KZIZ off the NE
EWE.

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] OT Veteran Rock DJ Pat O'Day, KJR Seattle

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Hi Pat,
KIRO-FM in Seattle will have a one-hour show hosted by Pat O'Day during the 
Seafair weekend.
so he'll still be linked to the hydro races in some way.
This was arranged after the announcement that he would no longer be part of 
the TV team.
--
Rick
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Subject: [IRCA] OT Veteran Rock DJ Pat O'Day, KJR Seattle


I just heard that Veteran DJ Pat ODay will not be announcing the Hydro
races this year. He has done them for the past 46 years. I was surprised
to hear the news, but he was born in 1934. The years go by. He claims to
be in good health though. It has been years since I have seen him. I
think the last time was at KYYX 96.5 in the 80s, after the station
changed from KYAC FM.

73

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] Joyce Meyers on 1360

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Todd,
There's a Salem Broadcasting religious station in Glendale AZ on 1360, but I 
don't know if they carry Joyce Myer.
Can't remember their call--KPXQ?
If they were testing with their 50K, maybe it could be heard in your area.
--
Rick
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Subject: [IRCA] Joyce Meyers on 1360


Who would carry them at 0530 central?  WMOB?

Todd Skaine
Woodbury, MN
2010, PL 310 or
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Re: [IRCA] KLYC 1260 signs off Air March 22, 2013 at 1:00 PM

[Rick Lewis]

A big problem for these stations is the way stations are counted for ratings 
and for disbursing ad dollars.
The ad agencies don't think of Salem as Salem, or McMinnville as 
McMinnville, etc.
They're considered part of the Portland ADI Area Of Dominant Influence, 
which is true in a way, but for ratings and ad buys, they're lumped in with 
the Portland stations as if they're part of Portland. But of course Portland 
residents don't listen to McMinnville stations as much as they listen to 
Portland stations, so that methodology stacks the deck against the little 
guys.
They could have _never_ competed on that level, even in their heyday.
That change signed their death warrant, and it's amazing how long they've 
been able to survive under the circumstances.
It should have never happened that way.
--
Rick
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Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [IRCA] KLYC 1260 signs off Air March 22, 2013 at 1:00 PM


I remember one thing the CE told me at KBAM Longview back in the 70s the
stations in the shadow of Portland, they always have to compete harder.
McMinnville is in that metro Portland area. But with all of AM  FM
stations on the air, it is hard for many of them to get enough ad money
to stay afloat. Back when it was mainly AM, and there weren't as many
stations, it was much easier. Plus the economy was much stronger too.
In today's world, I wonder how many people listen to these suburban AM
stations?

Patrick

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[IRCA] Tom Ray Leaving WOR

[Rick Lewis]

All Access reports that Tom Ray is leaving WOR, where he's been chief 
engineer for more than 15 years.
He'll be running a consulting business.
I suppose the writing was on the wall after Clear Channel purchased the 
station.
He was certainly a staunch IBOC defender in its early days, although he's 
seemed less optimistic about its viability in recent years.
--
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Re: [IRCA] Passing of Jimmy O'Neill (1940-2013)

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Hi Rick,
Sad news indeed. He also did a stint at KOB Albuquerque in 1969. -  
Original Message - 
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Rick


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Subject: [IRCA] Passing of Jimmy O'Neill (1940-2013)



Dunno how my local paper, the Omaha World-Herald, missed this, but they 
somehow did. Legendary DJ and TV host of Shindig!, Jimmy O'Neill, passed 
away on January 11, just three days after his 73rd birthday. During his 
early years in radio, O'Neill worked at KQV in Pittsburgh, and at KRLA and 
KFWB in Los Angeles. It was while he was at KFWB that he got his biggest 
career break, hosting Shindig!, a musical variety show that aired on ABC 
for almost a year and a half starting in Sept. 1964. I recall hearing him in 
the mid-1970s on WOW-590 in Omaha.

73,
Rick Dau
South Omaha, Nebraska
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Re: [IRCA] 1030 KDUN Oregon heard in Michigan during SSS tonight

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That's impressive, Tim. Congratulations.
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Subject: [IRCA] 1030 KDUN Oregon heard in Michigan during SSS tonight


Long sought after 1030 KDUN was finally heard tonight during SSS at 0100
UTC while live DXing with the SDR.  When eliminating WBZ I usually have
trouble here with WQSE.  Tonight the pest was XEQR which finally faded
just before TOH leaving the frequency relatively open for KDUN's TOH ID
to bubble up just at the right moment: The most powerful voice on the
Oregon coast, this is K-D-U-N, Reedsport. and then into possible FOX
News and soon gone again.  I think I caught them just before their
scheduled pattern change.  Oregon #1 and state #47!

1180 KOFI Montana was also logged here tonight for the first time at
0006 UTC, mixing with dominant WJNT.

73,
Tim Tromp
West Michigan
Perseus SDR + Phased BOGs

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Re: [IRCA] KFNX 1100 AZ logged in IL tonight

[Rick Lewis]

I don't know what their track record is these days, although they're under 
the same ownership.
But when I was in Phoenix till late summer 2006, KFNX often didn't cut 
power.
Signal level was noticeably down atnight when they changed properly.
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Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 9:27 PM
Subject: [IRCA] KFNX 1100 AZ logged in IL tonight


When playing back my 2200 CDT Perseus recordings tonight, I noticed a very 
deep null/fade from WTAM..ie this super pest was gone for a while. Usually 
this would mean that any English is from WZFG once Grand Junction and Vegas 
switch to night rigs, but not this time !! as your listening to Independant 
Talk...KFNX Cave Creek-Phoenix. Could they have been on day power? 
Regardless, their pattern puts little signal to their ENE towards me.

CX to AZ seem good as Disney is often owning 1580 with a nice AM and AM-HD 
(puke) ID at 2158 CDT.

73 KAZ Barrington IL.. Perseus and Double KAZ antenna 21 ft x 113 ft aimed 
west.
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Re: [IRCA] 1130 ( under CKWX Van BC) with an EE Religious program

[Rick Lewis]

KRDU was also my first thought, and I can't think of any other 
possibilities.
I've never verified them here in Seattle, but like you, I've gotten the 
signal and format and suspected it was KRDU.
I'd like to hear an ID just to be sure.
--
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Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:53 AM
Subject: [IRCA] 1130 ( under CKWX Van BC) with an EE Religious program


04/18/12--01:00 PDT--Victoria BC
Tuning in on 1130 a signal carrying an English language religious program by 
female voice is destabalizing
a 40 mile ground wave from CKWX Van BC to an almost equal mix but News 
1130's rapid fire reporting is making it difficult to make out any clues as 
to where or who is butting in with slow and long cycles of mixing with the 
Van ground wave. My two year old log tells me it could be KRDU Dinuba ( 
Fresno ) CA. running on 6200 night watts which is 1200 more than their day 
power. It is the only one listed with an EE Rel format. Does anyone out 
there have more up to date info . This is the first time a late night 
secondary signal has come up this strong to throw Van off.
Bill in BC
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Re: [IRCA] KPTQ 1280 Spokane Wa

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Bill,
I think Spokane's 1280 has been country for 3 or 4 weeks.
One of their longtime FM country stations, (96.1?), changed format at about 
the same time.
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Re: [IRCA] 830 at 8:00

[Rick Lewis]

Bill,
Unfortunately I can't help you with your question. But ...
Glad you got an ID. As I was reading your note I was thinking, This is 
easy. You got KFLT, Tucson. Wrong!
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Re: [IRCA] Does KNX break format?

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Glenn,
Yes. If you want news from KNX between 1230 and 1300 UTC (during DST), 
you're out of luck.
During that half-hour they carry the weekly broadcast of the Mormon 
Tabernacle Choir.
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Re: [IRCA] R KTRB 860's Signal

[Rick Lewis]

Bill,
I found KPAM dominant here in Seattle at around 10 PM last night.
I'll keep trying, as I'd like to log KTRB.
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- Original Message - 
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Subject: [IRCA] R KTRB 860's Signal


I guess that KPAM's night power of 5Kw can't compete with the 50K that KTRB 
puts out at night and so is drowned out at a shorter distance from Portland 
until they switch to their 50 K day power at local sunrise.KTRB was in 
strong and steady after midnight last night here in Victoria.Bill in BC
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Re: [IRCA] KKXA

[Rick Lewis]

Yes, Stephen,
You're talking about 1240 KPPC in Pasadena, CA, owned by the Pasadena 
Presbyterian Church, which ran 100 watts.
Both 1230 KGFJ in Los Angeles and 1260 KGIL in San Fernando ran reduced 
power on Wednesday nights and Sundays when KPPC was on.
I don't know what year this arrangement began, but I believe it ended in the 
1970s.
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] KKXA


Wasn't there a 1230 vs 1240 situation in the L.A. / I.E. area? From what I 
understand, there was a little 1240 in Pasadena that I think was only on the 
air Sundays and Wednesday evenings, running 100 watts. When it was on, 1230 
in Los Angeles and 1240 in San Bernardino had to cut back to 100 watts as 
well. Anyone know more info about those?

From: Donald K. Kaskey kaskeyfam...@yahoo.com
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] KKXA

Pete,
WJJD-1160-Chicago comes quickly to mind. They could stay on uintil KSL
sunset. Also I think KXL-750-Portland OR could broadcast only when WSB
was off the air. Which wasn't that uncommon back in the 50s...My
favorite was the 2 Los Angeles stations on 1150, KRKD  KFSG who would
alternate time. Of course, in Chicago 3 stations shared 1240 for a long
time.

Don K.




Pete Taylor wrote:
 No doubt, someone with nostalgic leanings came up with the calls since 
 some of us can remember the old KXA-770 Seattle. (This market is heavy 
 with these what with KKOL and KKMO).

 Speaking of that, goodness gracious, here's another exciting thread: How 
 many of the old L (limited) stations can you come up with? These had to 
 sign off at local sunset but could come back at 9pm local. I recall:
 KFAX-1100
 KFVD/KPOP-1020
 KXA-770

 There are a few other idiosyncratic licenses as well:
 KKDZ-1250 goes to night pattern at local sunset but goes to non-DA at 
 midnight local
 WHEB-750 could stay on until Atlanta sunset
 WCKY stays on day pattern until KFBK sunset
 KMMJ works around Atlanta sunset

 Not too many of these left. What did I miss?

 Meanwhile, has anyone heard an actual KKXA ID?

 Pete Taylor
 Tacoma, WA
 12225w 4719n
 HQ180  ICF2010
 Kiwa aircore  Palomar loops
 DX398, SRF-59  M37V
 Eton E100 + Tecsun PL-300/380
 ==
 Scott Fybush wrote:


 Just a friendly reminder that the correct calls of the new 1520 are K K X 
 A, not K X X A...


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[IRCA] What's the fastest way to get a station to sign on?

[Rick Lewis]

Post that it's off. KBLE has returned, just two minutes after I sent my 
note. I'd been monitoring for over a half hour before I decided someone else 
might want to know.
Sorry about that.
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[IRCA] 1050 Seattle Off

[Rick Lewis]

No Catholic station on 1050 tonight here in Seattle. Spokane on top, but 
others in.
I don't recall whether it was Sunday orMonday night that I only heard open 
carrier on Seattle's 1050, but it's not on now.
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Re: [IRCA] KKXA 1520 Details

[Rick Lewis]

KKXA dropped carrier at around 9:15 PM, which I guess is about right for 
July.
But before they did, their IBOC was really trashing KGA and KFBK.
Who was it that cleverly said IBOC stands for It Bothers Other Channels? 
Certainly applies here!
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Re: [IRCA] KKXA

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Pete,
Behind on email, so didn't see Pat's tipoff yesterday.
But I must say ... KKXA is weak, weak, weak!
Granted, I'm not in Snohomish county, but they're much weaker in northeast 
Seattle than KRKO was before their upgrade.
At 5:25 PM, Vancouver's 1550 was significantly stronger.
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Re: [IRCA] KTKR and KVLI

[Rick Lewis]

I believe that call was used in the early 90s.
I don't know if the ownership had officially changed but at least its 
management had.
It seemed to be a last-ditch effort for both that station and those 
particular broadcasters, who were doing live DJ shows, something  seldom 
seen in that station's history after 1959.
A handful of people tried their hand at that, probably buying the time, 
but for the most part, it was a small-town station without much identity.

I'm surprised it survived as long as it did.
Incidentally, in the 1970s or maybe early 80s, the owner's son turned on 
the transmitter after sunset and did some rock-and-roll boogie. I don't 
know whether his parents ever knew about it, but from 40 miles away, I 
did.

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Re: [IRCA] KTKR and KVLI

[Rick Lewis]

Patrick, Scott and All,
That call was the same as their 103.9 FM, which began as KTLM and had 
changed to KMYx later. I'd forgotten about that.
Wonder if the ownership remained the same or if it changed around '89 or 
'90 as I suspect.

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Re: [IRCA] KTKR and KVLI

[Rick Lewis]

The now-defunct KTKR in Taft, CA was an interesting operation.
Gerald Mann and his mother Louise ran it out of their home from 1959 or so 
till the late 80s.
They also got the license for 103.9 FM, which probably netted them some 
serious bucks when the stations were sold.
It wasn't unusual to find them tracking an album to the end, followed by 
several minutes of dead air before someone remembered that the station 
needed attention.
It was a daytimer, but apparently it was always winter on Sundays, because 
signoff was 4:45 even in summer.
Despite what the maps may say, KVLI didn't put much of a signal into 
Bakersfield. I'm not surprised about its absence from DXers' logs.
Only a DXer would listen to it; your casual listener probably was totally 
unaware of its sign-on in around 1978-79. (going by memory here.)
Long before sunset, Las Vegas and Sacramento dominated 1140 in 
Bakersfield.

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Re: [IRCA] Re; Dx Tip ( XE s )

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Patrick,
You may have heard Wolfman Jack on XERF in 1964, but he wasn't on XERB 
until 1966, (possibly very late 1965 but I don't think so.)
In early '66, XERB aired Wolfman Jack nightly from midnight to 3 AM but 
otherwise ran 
paid religious programs and filled with country music in the daytime, 
occasionally inserting infomercials on guitar lessons, etc.
That all changed in July 1966, when Bob Smith relocated to L.A. along with 
two other associates from KUXL.
Incidentally, I can't recall what XERB aired in the wee hours before the 
Wolfman arrived, but probably religious programs and infomercials.

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Re: [IRCA] Re; Dx Tip ( XE s )

[Rick Lewis]

Wolfman Jack didn't appear on XETRA (or its predecessor XEAK) in the early 
days. I've seen that claim many times, but I think it'sjust someone's 
misunderstanding that's been propagated on the Internet over the years.
Wolfman Jack (Bob Smith) started airing on XERB in early '66 (possibly late 
'65), and became the station's manager that year, converting its 
non-religious/Spanish hours to a soul format, eventually almost a Wolfman 
Jack format.
As for 690, it aired some rock programming in 1956 and went top 40 (except 
for an evening religious block and some other specialty shows in English 
andSpanish in non-prime time) in either 1956 or '57.
It changed to an all-news format on May 6, 1961, and went Beautiful Music on 
April 2, 1968.
They stayed with that format until September 26, 1980, when they went CHR, 
changing to oldies around 1984.
It was in their oldies/talk hybrid format where they aired Wolfman Jack for 
a while.
They had brief stints as a news station and with a talk format until 
settling into sports Talk, I believe around 1990.
(When he went national, they were one of the first Rush Limbaugh affiliates; 
their promos called him Limbo.)
I was outside the area then, but I think they briefly adopted an Adult 
Standards format in their final days as an English-language station, after 
XEPRS-1090 (the former XERB) took on the sports talk from John Lynch, who 
was the man originally behind XETRA's sports-talk flip.
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Re: [IRCA] Another history question

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Kenneth,
I'm pretty certain that KRVN moved to 880 in 1972.
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Subject: [IRCA] Another history question


Thanks to everyone for the history on moves to 650 Khz. I have another 
history question. When did the following stations move to 880; KRVN  WMEQ 
KJJR and CHQT?
I originally started DXing in the early 70's. My dad used to listen to 
distant broadcasts like the Grand Ole Opry and that's how I got started. He 
used a Zenith transoceanic Royal 1000. He bought me a $20 Playmate made in 
Japan radio after he got tired of me wearing out the batteries in his radio. 
In spite of being a cheap radio without an RF amplifier like the Zenith has; 
it actually performed quite well. I frequently received and listened to 
stations like WBZ, WCBS, WWL, and WSB not to mention others. WCBS was my 
favorite. I guess it had something to do with New York City. After the radio 
died in the late 70's I dropped the hobby entirely. I came back to it in 
January 1991 when I found a GE Superadio II while browsing the electronics 
section in the Canadian Tire store in Brandon. The words Long Range and 
High Selectivity on the picture of the dial on the box caught my attention. 
The big list of specs like 4 tuned IF stages on AM, 8 ferrite rod antenna 
and tuned RF o!
 n AM sold me on it and I bought it right there. I unpacked it as soon as I 
got home, turned it on at 4:45PM that afternoon and was astounded at the 
sensitivity and selectivity. I have never owned or tried a radio that even 
came close to the performance of this unit. 5 minutes later I stumbled on 
WBZ loud and clear and was amazed at the catch considering how cluttered the 
AM band now was. I always thought that it would be totally impossible to 
improve the sensitivity of the unit any further, However a few years later I 
discovered the IRCA and joined. I purchased some literature from the club 
and Ralph Sanserino's loop was just too tempting not to build and try. I 
expected it to be a flop, but how wrong I was. It really blew me away as it 
pulled in stations loud and clear that were totally absent on the Superadio 
without it even with the volume wide open. It more than doubled the number 
of station I could pick up during the daytime.
   Kenneth Nawalkowski
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Re: [IRCA] OT: I'm On The Air Tonight!

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Paul,
Streaming is a wonderful thing. You sounded like you were having a good 
time.
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Re: [IRCA] KMZT 1260

[Rick Lewis]

One thing to remember about KMZT owner Saul Levine: there's nothing as 
constant as change.
He's in his seventies, and he marches to the beat of his own drummer.
He changes format when he wants to, to the format he wants to. And he'll 
change it again. And again. And again. ...
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Re: [IRCA] KXXA-1520 WA

[Rick Lewis]

Stephen,
I'm wondering if you're hearing the 1520 in Port Hueneme, CA, near Ventura, 
which also has a news-talk format.
Incidentally, _unless they changed back and I missed it), a few years ago 
KOMA changed calls to KOKC.
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] KXXA-1520 WA


That's interesting, Patrick.

I'm near the west coast, too - well actually something like 15-18 miles 
inland (not sure how to exactly calculate it due in part to curvature of the 
coastline and especially a bay (San Diego) west of me with a peninsula just 
beyond it. I tuned to, and recorded 1520 earlier this morning, and I 
definitely heard a station pretty much owning the channel, but I never heard 
them ID as KOMA.
Is it reasonably possible our distance separation on the west coast (me 
being just east of San Diego, you being some distance west of Portland) 
could have something to do with you and me hearing different stations on 
1520? (I can detect another station under the one i'm hearing, but only by a 
sub-audible heterodyne, or occasional hints of modulation.)
What format does this KOMA you're referring to carry? The station I hear 
seems to be a news/talk station. Also I get a not found error when I try to 
visit the KOMA-AM page on radio-locator (the FCC AM Query site is down right 
now).
I generally aim my antenna east (maybe slightly north to get a better null 
from 1530 KFBK's IBOC) to hear 1520. Do I need to aim maybe northeast to 
hear KOMA, or maybe west and listen in the early morning for a station from 
Korea bearing those calls? ;)

73,

Stephen


--- On Fri, 4/1/11, Patrick Martin mwd...@webtv.net wrote:

From: Patrick Martin mwd...@webtv.net
Subject: Re: [IRCA] KXXA-1520 WA
To: Mailing list for the International Radio Club of America 
irca@hard-core-dx.com
Date: Friday, April 1, 2011, 11:29 PM

Hi Nick,

Not excited about another 50 KW powerhouse in the NW. I think that will
be about number ten in the 50 KW Dept for the Puget Sound with 710, 770,
820, 880, 950, 1000, 1090, 1300, 1380, and now 1520. Then add in the
10KW or more (850, 1150, 1210, 1620, and 1680). That is a lot of
powerhouse stations in one market. I guess KKXA will be directional
North and co-located with KRKO. It looks like about 30% of their signal
will head to the SW. I wonder what it will do to KGDD here? KOMA
dominates here at night generally anyway. But it may create a real
jumble here. I hope they don't adopt IBOC. That is a possibility with
KRKO running it.

73,

Patrick

Patrick Martin
Seaside OR
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Re: [IRCA] Rock formats on AM

[Rick Lewis]

Minor correction, Don. KFRC went top 40 in 1966, and stayed in that format 
for 20 years.
They became Magic 61 playing big bands and standards for a few years, then 
switched to oldies.
Family Radio made a trade with Infinity and changed 610 to the religious 
format they previously aired on KEAR. That was sometime around 2005, 
possibly a year earlier.
--
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- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] Rock formats on AM


KFRC was Oldies format when the 'oldies' first came on the air
(60s)..They retained that format until 5-6 years ago when they sold the
station, which then became religious.  KFRC is now operating the 1550
station here in S.F. with 'oldies' once again.  Actually, they've been
there a year or so (maybe more)

Don K.
S.F. CA




Rick Dau wrote:
 The old WTAK-1000 in Huntsville was a classic rock station back in the 
 day.
 They went to that format in 1987, and at first, they were NOT simulcasting 
 their
 FM sister, which is extremely rare for an AM station with a rock format to
 do.  I think they've been WJDL (with varying formats) since about '94 or 
 so.

 73,
 Rick Dau
 South Omaha, NE


 
 From: texas4...@core.com texas4...@core.com
 To: IRCA irca@hard-core-dx.com; AMFMTVDX amfmt...@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Mon, March 14, 2011 10:15:53 PM
 Subject: [IRCA] WVVB-960

 Well another good station bit the dust. WERC-960 is gone replaced by the 
 worse
 rock stuff. Has anyone reported this? I must have missed any reports. I 
 miss
 WERC.

 960  WVVB  AL  BIRMINGHAM000515/03/11
 ID - Rock 103.1 THE VULCAN [WM-TN]

 Heard this the other night but never got a ID till now. Really never 
 thought
 anyone would put heavy rock on AM.

 DXer: Willis
 QTH: Old Fort, TN
 ANTENNA: 149' long wire that is [at present]on the ground.
 RCVR: Drake R-4C
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Re: [IRCA] KEX's IBOC is off

[Rick Lewis]

I've noticed that, too, Patrick, and additionally, KFBK's IBOC is stronger 
than I've ever heard it on 1520.
--
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- Original Message - 
From: Patrick Martin mwd...@webtv.net
To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 10:55 AM
Subject: [IRCA] KEX's IBOC is off


I have noticed the past several days that KEX's IBOC is off. A technical
issue, or is it gone? It is nice to hear KLAY-1180  and CJRJ-1200 noise
free. Plus KEX's analog signal sounds chrisper without the HD.

73,

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] Belize 834

[Rick Lewis]

No, not a pest. Belize was nice to hear on 834 in California, bringing Top 
Of The Pops from the BBC on Saturday nights in the 1960s.
I can only imagine what a huge signal it must have had in the southeastern 
U.S.
I was in Miami in 1979 but don't recal hearing it.
--
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Subject: Re: [IRCA] Belize 834



 .  Show of hands, how many folks remember when Radio Belize was a huge 
 pest on 834?

Have an audio recording and QSL from 1976.

Do not believe I have ever heard Ecuador on MW - that would be a catch now.


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Re: [IRCA] DXer.ca internet radio - testing now...

[Rick Lewis]

Colin,
Either the link you posted is invalid, or you didn't stream for very long 
after you sent your message.
Incidentally, many stream links are like;
http://00.00.00.00:/listen.pls
although one can certainly have an m3u link with any title referencing the 
stream URL.
Hope this info helps.
--
Rick

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Subject: [IRCA] DXer.ca internet radio - testing now...



Running some streaming internet radio tests at
http://24.69.74.182:8000/listen.m3u

Currently playing CD Series 3 'Yesterday and Today' with Ian McFarland and 
friends...




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Re: [IRCA] World's longest delayed QSL?

[Rick Lewis]

It's pretty amazing that you got one, Bruce. Was it signed by the chief 
engineer or possibly the owner, nationally known baseball announcer Monte 
Moore (if it was late enough in the 70s?)
I don't recall when he sold KTIP, but it was fascinating to hear such a 
smooth, professional announcer doing play-by-play for Little League and 
high school baseball.

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Re: [IRCA] 1550 with oldies

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Bill,
It's KFRC, the old call which used to be on 610 in San Francisco.
CBS is using the KFRC call on 1550 these days, and they're running Scott 
Shannon's True Oldies format.
--
Rick

- Original Message - 
From: bill kral jwk...@yahoo.ca
To: irca@hard-core-dx.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 8:50 PM
Subject: [IRCA] 1550 with oldies


At 7PM PST I heard a station doing what sounded like a national oldies 
program with a call ID inserted sounding like KSRC but can't find anything 
logged with that call and I haven't heard Van,Wa. doing a show with straight 
60s RR .I wonder who that was.Bill in BC


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Re: [IRCA] Re;KWDB 1110

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Patrick and All,
I didn't realize that the KBIS call letters were in Washington State these 
days; last I knew, wasn't that call in Little rock?

KBIS was a station in Bakersfield from 1950 to 1977. 970 kHz.
I worked there briefly in 1975.
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Re: [IRCA] CFUN 1410 call change?

[Rick Lewis]

Exactly. I think they were CKVN for two or three years, much of that time as an 
album rock station, before re-using the CFUN call letters.
--I thought the switch to CKVN was in 1970 or '71, but a friend claims it was 
earlier than that.
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  Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 11:53 AM
  Subject: [IRCA] CFUN 1410 call change?


  according to Northwest Broadcasters

  *As recently rumored, CKCL-FM 104.9
  http://www.1049greatesthits.com/Vancouver (Chilliwack/Abbotsford)
  has been assigned the call letters CFUN-FM
  by Industry Canada.   CKCL started identifying as Fun-FM on November 12, but
  was still using its old call letters last night during its official on-hour
  IDs.  Team CFUN AM 1410 http://www.teamradio.ca/, which changed from talk
  to sports on November 5, has been assigned the new call CFTE.  The historic
  CFUN calls have been in use by 1410 since February 14, 1955 when it changed
  from CKMO.  The CKMO calls are currently used by Victoria's Camosun
  Collegehttp://camosun.ca/station Village
  900 http://www.village900.com/.*

  http://members.shaw.ca/nwbroadcasters/recentnews.htm

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  If I recall correctly, the CFUN calls did leave Vancouver for a while in the
  1970s and went to a station somewhere in NS, no?  Were they CKVN in the
  interim before getting CFUN back (on 1410)?
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Re: [IRCA] Powerline noise

[Rick Lewis]

Patrick,
I'm glad they found it. I remember battling power line noise for five months 
in 1972, and I'm not sure anyone found' it, it ultimately went away, but if 
the power folks had persisted, maybe it could have been a few weeks instead 
of a few months.

--
Rick


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Subject: Re: [IRCA] Powerline noise



Would you believe it turned out to be an electric fence? That's right! A
bare down wire against the downspout. Apparently an always on AC unit,
that transferred noise. I would have never guessed that! I have seen
electric fencing arc, but nothing like a sold S9+10 DB hash which even
the power guys thought it was classic powerline noise. They found it. I
am so pleased with PPL. They do great work!

73,

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] [NRC-AM] KRKO TOWERS FALL

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Hi Pete and All,
No IBOC on KRKO. I can't verify it, but sounds like their facility before 
the power increase/IBOC.

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Re: [IRCA] 1710

[Rick Lewis]

Steve,
I just checked at 1935 local and heard nothing on 1710 here in northeast 
Seattle.
I didn't use a BFO to check for a carrier, but if I had to go that far, 
it'd be pretty weak.

--
Rick

On Thu, 21 May 2009, Steve Ratzlaff wrote:

Very poor reception here, 7:30p.m., still daylight. Can't tell much other 
than someone is talking. Must be fairly good power to be heard here at all, 
if in the Puget Sound area.

Steve
NE Oregon

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Subject: Re: [IRCA] 1710



 Walt,

 I was wondering about a Puget Sound pirate. Interesting. It would not be
 FE Russia at this time. You are right with that. hi.  Well, if NE US has
 pirates, why not anywhere else? No FCC around generally.
   I just checked and the pop music sounds like what I heard last night,
 except weaker as it is still daylight as 0155 UTC now.  It must be a
 pirate, probably Puget Sound per the directivity of the NE EWE.

 73,
 Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] [NRC-AM] KOMO 1000 not 24h

[Rick Lewis]

Glenn,
On Monday night KOMO announced several timesthat they would be signing off 
at around 1 a.m., to return about three hours later.
That apparently didn't happen, though. I woke up several 
times during this period, and they were on each time.
However, Tuesday and Wednesday nights they were off for an extended 
period during the night.

 I don't know if any more downtime is planned.
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Re: [IRCA] KOMO PATTERN CHANGE PROBLEMS

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Pete,
I wonder if they were taking field measurements or something.
I caught the same thing at around 8:30.
--
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On Wed, 8 Apr 2009, Pete Taylor wrote:

I was driving home this morning at 9:15PDT when KOMO-1000 popped on and off 
in what appeared to be a very late pattern change. The same thing happened 
again at 9:32 and 9:33. Being this close, I couldn't tell whether they were 
coming from or going to non-DA or whether it was just stuck.


Pete Taylor
Tacoma, WA
12225w 4719n
HQ180 + Kiwa air core loop
ICF2010 +
DX398; Palomar loop
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Re: [IRCA] And now for something completely different - OT

[Rick Lewis]

Colin,
The past is wonderful, and the future is amazing.
I run an Internet radio station, and its audio is better than any radio 
station I ever worked for.

And it's as good in Australia as it is in my home.
I wouldn't have believed it 15 years ago.
Unfortunately, radio jobs aren't what they used to be, so in that light, 
the past looks better.

But the world is full of wonder.
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Re: [IRCA] KCBS/San Francisco web site

[Rick Lewis]

Ah, yes. Dolly Holiday with an all-night program on 50KW stations, for the 
Holiday Inn, I think.
I don't think there was much in the way of content, just beautiful music 
and some commercials.

It endedat the end of 1971.
KOA replaced Dolly Holiday with an excelent all-night oldies show hosted 
by Joe Douglas, later known as Joe Donovan on WHAS, Louisville.
I was glad when Dolly left, but even happier to hear one of the best and 
most knowledgeable oldies show hosts ever.

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Re: [IRCA] KCBS/San Francisco web site

[Rick Lewis]

Incidentally, I don't think KCBS every aired Dolly Holiday, instead airing 
the long-running Music Till Dawn, which the CBS O and O's carried.

KOA aired Holiday, and I believe KOB in Albuquerque did, too.
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On Mon, 16 Feb 2009, Mike Hardester wrote:

  Oh PLEAZE, No Dolly Holiday - my ears can't take any more!! Speaking of 
which, how many remember Dolly?


Mike

Mike Hawkins wrote:

 If anyone is interested, KCBS is loading up a lot of content on their web
 site for their 100-year anniversary.  Its worth a look.

 http://www.kcbs.com

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Re: [IRCA] KRKO-1380 IBOC?

[Rick Lewis]

What amazes me is just how strong their IBOC was compared to their 
modulation on 1380.


At times I could hear the carrier, but had trouble hearing what was being 
said, due to low modulation and other signals on the frequency.

Yet the IBOC was pounding away loudly especially on 1370.
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Re: [IRCA] KRKO-1380 IBOC?

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Patrick, 
I'm in northeast Seattle, and I certainly hear the IBOC hash, but KRKO's 
modulation is very low.
Carrier sounds stronger than usual, though, and I know they were planning 
on using IBOC.
Their signal isn't sensational here, but I can't imagine who else would be 
doing IBOC on 1380.

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On Tue, 3 Feb 2009, Patrick Martin wrote:


Off the NE EWE, there is a Very strong carrier at S9+45-50 DB on 1380
and horrible IBOC hash on 1390. Cannot tell on 1370 as I have a local,
KAST. Anyone in the Puget Sound can check? Thanks.

73,

Patrick

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Re: [IRCA] What's your closest unheard AM station?

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Dennis,
I think there's supposed to be a 930 in Bellingham, but I've never heard 
it from northeast Seattle.

The 850 in Tacoma is amazingly weak here, but I _can_ hear it.
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Re: [IRCA] KFI

[Rick Lewis]

Don't know, Dennis, but last night they were quite a bit stronger than the 
first couple days at the new tower site. I'm in Seattle.


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Re: [IRCA] IBOC sidebands in Australia?

[Rick Lewis]

Hi Bob,
Years ago from Phoenix, I received digihash from WOR, New York's tests, even 
though its on-air analog signal was covered up by other stations.
This leads me to believe that the Australian reception is indeed possible.
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Subject: [IRCA] IBOC sidebands in Australia?



Probably a stupid question but is it possible to get hets or any AM radio 
activity on the West coast from Australia and vice versa? The reason I ask 
this is because in one of the forums I belong to a man in Australia's IBOC 
radio's HD light flickers once in a while and he was wondering if it was 
false triggering or if it was possible that it was from IBOC stations from 
the US. I didn't think it was possible especially considering the nature of 
IBOC although the sidebands seem to go a lot farther than the audio, but one 
of the engineers seemed to think it may be possible. This guy did not live 
near the coast either somewhere in central Australia I think,

Bob Young
Millbury, MA
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Re: [IRCA] KJR 950 Seattle HD

[Rick Lewis]

Kevin,
Just checked to verify this, and KJR is not being broadcast on KUBE's HD.
Didn't tink it was. KUBE is on HD1, and Xtreme Hip-Hop is on HD2.
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I think (and hope!) Dave may be right: 950-KJR is already an HD
sub-channel of its sister station (KUBE-FM), just as 880-KIXI shares HD
space with 107.9 FM.

Haven't heard back from KIXI yet as to their AM-IBOC plans - keep your
antennae crossed...

73 - Kevin S.
Bainbridge Island, WA


 Dave,

 Thanks. Hope you are right. I am not looking forward of another strong
 IBOCer in the NW.

 73,

 Patrick

 Patrick Martin
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