Re: java-plugin for linux/netscape 4.5
Michael Sinz worte: > Netscape 4.5 > has Java 1.1 built in and they have a JIT that is a bit better than TYA > in their JVM. (Even the Linux Netscape does on x86 - just like on > Windows x86 systems.) Which archive of Navigator 4.5 has a JIT? I couldn't find a Navigator 4.5 with JIT. The following archives I've examined seem not to include a JIT: - Navigator 4.5 for Linux 2.0/libc5/x86 ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/communicator/4.5/english/unix/supported/linux20_libc5/navigator_standalone/navigator-v45-export.x86-unknown-linux2.0.tar.gz - Navigator 4.5 for Linux 2.0/gblic2/x86 ftp://ftp.netscape.com/pub/communicator/4.5/english/unix/unsupported/linux20_glibc2/navigator_standalone/navigator-v45-export.x86-unknown-linux2.0glibc.tar.gz Kazuyuki SHUDO Happy Hacking! Muraoka Lab., Grad. School of Sci. & Eng., Waseda Univ.
Re: JavaLinux for servlets [off-topic]
Chris Huebsch wrote: > AFAIK unix doesn't support real threads. Are you sure you want to make such a generalization about Unix? I've got a couple of books that cover threads programming on Solaris. Is there something "unreal" about Solaris ( or UnixWare ) threads? -- wYRd.:|:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:|:.prohibitions void where offered de recta non tolerandum sunt
Solaris x86 and Linux
Sun ships Solaris x86 without fee except the shipping costs. Does anybody know what Sun's market positioning vision of that product is ? Where do they see Linux then ? Have they declared war to Linux ? And may this be the reason why the java support of Linux isn't what some people expect it to be ? Who knows more ? begin:vcard n:; tel;fax:+49 / (0)89 / 608 14 - 376 tel;work: +49 / (0)89 / 608 14 - 0 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.forcecomputers.com org:FORCE COMPUTERS GmbH;Technical Documentation adr:;;Prof.-Messerschmitt-Strasse 1;Neubiberg;;D-85579;Germany version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Technical Writer x-mozilla-cpt:none;-28600 fn:Armin Kurz end:vcard
Re: More evil from Microsoft [Off topic]
"Harold G. Andrews II" wrote: > When I looked at javalobby for the information regarding the JDK 1.2 Source > Release, I noticed another article about a new programming language > Microsoft is contemplating to get itself out from the litigation it's > currently in with Sun. Thought you might enjoy reading the story > yourselves. Enjoy > > http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/zd/zd6.htm > This their chance to commit suicide... Even windoze people won't use it, and it will pass in swee oblivion like minix... Dimtris
Making an Java Application "wait" to be called
Heya Hiya Ho! I want to make a database connection pool class that starts up, preconnects n jdbc connections, then waits to be called by various apps. How do I make Java wait without exiting and without putting it into a cycle sucking loop? I've checked the API docs and a few books (my due dilligence) but can't find an answer. It's got to be ez - I just can't find it. Also, is CORBA/RMI the only way to call the connections? Is this even possible? Suggestions? Chris Rowan This mail is CopyLeft
Re: Solaris x86 and Linux
Considering Sun was born to create "Open Computing" I hope they aren't condemning Linux! That would be TOO hypocritical! I seem to remember an article somewhere saying that from 1.2 they would be "wholeheartedly" supporting Linux... I am new on this list and don't know about the 1.2 Java for Linux scandal. Could it be that Sun is taking over the project from blackdown and it just hasn't been announced and everyone is sworn to secrecy... Ok... doubtful... Armin kurz wrote: > > Sun ships Solaris x86 without fee except the shipping costs. > > Does anybody know what Sun's market > positioning vision of that product is ? > > Where do they see Linux then ? Have they declared war to Linux ? > > And may this be the reason why the java support of Linux isn't > what some people expect it to be ? > > Who knows more ? This E-mail is CopyLefted
Re: More evil from Microsoft [Off topic]
What was wrong with minix? Seemed like a better direction than DOS or Windows... Dimitris Vyzovitis wrote: > > "Harold G. Andrews II" wrote: > > > When I looked at javalobby for the information regarding the JDK 1.2 Source > > Release, I noticed another article about a new programming language > > Microsoft is contemplating to get itself out from the litigation it's > > currently in with Sun. [snip] > This their chance to commit suicide... Even windoze people won't use it, and > it will pass in swee oblivion like minix... > > Dimtris
Re: More evil from Microsoft [Off topic]
hello, > What was wrong with minix? Seemed like a better direction than DOS or > > This their chance to commit suicide... Even windoze people won't use it, and > > it will pass in swee oblivion like minix... Minix is an early comer in free software world. Most important it was not written for commercial use: but for educational use. Andrew S.Tannenbaum wants to keep it simple so that students can understand it easily and he is 100% successful..most of the guys in operating system world have started their journey by understanding minix.our linux people are also among them...it's our root. sachin
Re: More evil from Microsoft [Off topic]
Oops, I thought he was referring to something else. Didn't Microsoft have a Unix-like OS with a name similar to Minix? Sachin Goyal wrote: > > hello, > > > What was wrong with minix? Seemed like a better direction than DOS or > > > > This their chance to commit suicide... Even windoze people won't use it, and > > > it will pass in swee oblivion like minix... > > Minix is an early comer in free software world. Most important it was not > written for commercial use: but for educational use. Andrew S.Tannenbaum > wants to keep it simple so that students can understand it easily and he > is 100% successful..most of the guys in operating system world have > started their journey by understanding minix.our linux people are also > among them...it's our root. > > sachin
Re: More evil from Microsoft [Off topic]
Christopher Rowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Oops, I thought he was referring to something else. > > Didn't Microsoft have a Unix-like OS with a name similar to Minix? Xenix. Radio Shack was using this for their POS systems as recently as around 4 years ago. Brian -- |---|Software Engineer |Brian Jones|[EMAIL PROTECTED] |[EMAIL PROTECTED]|http://www.nortel.net |http://www.classpath.org/ |---
Re: More evil from Microsoft [Off topic]
On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, Christopher Rowan wrote: > Oops, I thought he was referring to something else. > > Didn't Microsoft have a Unix-like OS with a name similar to Minix? Xenix, now known as SCO Unix. Brett W. McCoy http://www.lan2wan.com/~bmccoy/ --- Cheap things are of no value, valuable things are not cheap. -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GAT dpu s:-- a C UL$ P+ L+++ E W++ N+ o K- w--- O@ M@ !V PS+++ PE Y+ PGP- t++ 5- X+ R+@ tv b+++ DI+++ D+ G++ e>++ h+(---) r++ y --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
Mailing list trouble
You may want to be on the alert for a message like this. Apparently either the administrator of java.blackdown.org or a very poorly-written bounce catcher is seriously misconfigured. If you note, it claims to have removed me due to bounces my mail account caused, but in reality, it was [EMAIL PROTECTED] My mail server was up the entire time, and my mail logs confirm that. I've received no response from any blackdown admin regarding this or the other issues I raised the other day. - Forwarded message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 01:54:21 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: You have been removed from the list Your mail address [EMAIL PROTECTED] has been removed from the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailinglist. It generated an excessive amount of bounced mails. Before sending in a subscription request to [EMAIL PROTECTED] again, please ensure that this problem has been resolved. When in doubt, ask your system administrator or send mail to "postmaster". The last one of those bounced mails has been quoted below: >From MAILER-DAEMON Thu Feb 18 01:54:01 1999 >Received: from mail.cabi.net (ikea.cabi.net [208.24.141.88]) by shell.ncm.com >(8.8.5/8.7.5) with ESMTP id BAA26115 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 18 >Feb 1999 01:54:00 -0500 >Received: from mail.megsinet.net (mail.megsinet.net [208.133.72.253]) > by mail.cabi.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP > id BAA16323 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 >01:40:16 -0500 >Received: from mail.megsinet.net by mail.megsinet.net > (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) > id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:43:03 -0600 (CST) >Received: from mail.megsinet.net > (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) > id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:39:03 -0600 (CST) >Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:39:03 -0600 (CST) >From: Internet Mail Delivery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Delivery Notification: Delivery has been delayed >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >MIME-version: 1.0 >Content-type: MULTIPART/REPORT; > BOUNDARY="Boundary_(ID_4uwT2qbNDRl0ro2j+O1haQ)"; REPORT-TYPE=DELIVERY-STATUS > > >--Boundary_(ID_4uwT2qbNDRl0ro2j+O1haQ) >Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >This report relates to a message you sent with the following header fields: > > Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:34:17 -0600 > From: John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Kevin Hester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: JavaLinux for servlets > >Your message has been enqueued and undeliverable for 1 day(s) >to the following recipients: > > Recipient address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Reason: unable to deliver this message after 1 day > >Delivery attempt history for your mail: > >Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:03:12 -0600 (CST) >Temporary error returned by SMTP partner. >smtp; 452 4.5.3 No more transactions allowed. > > >Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:15:12 -0600 (CST) >Temporary error returned by SMTP partner. >smtp; 452 4.5.3 No more transactions allowed. > > >Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:03:58 -0600 (CST) >Temporary error returned by SMTP partner. >smtp; 452 4.5.3 No more transactions allowed. > > >Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:06:43 -0600 (CST) >Temporary error returned by SMTP partner. >smtp; 452 4.5.3 No more transactions allowed. > > >Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:08:05 -0600 (CST) >Temporary error returned by SMTP partner. >smtp; 452 4.5.3 No more transactions allowed. > > >Wed, 17 Feb 1999 04:10:47 -0600 (CST) >Temporary error returned by SMTP partner. >smtp; 452 4.5.3 No more transactions allowed. > > >Wed, 17 Feb 1999 00:06:17 -0600 (CST) >Temporary error returned by SMTP partner. >smtp; 452 4.5.3 No more transactions allowed. > > >Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:30:12 -0600 (CST) >Temporary error returned by SMTP partner. >smtp; 452 4.5.3 No more transactions allowed. > > >Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:41:09 -0600 (CST) >Temporary error returned by SMTP partner. >smtp; 452 4.5.3 No more transactions allowed. > > >The mail system will continue to try to deliver your message >for an additional 6 day(s). > > >--Boundary_(ID_4uwT2qbNDRl0ro2j+O1haQ) >Content-type: message/DELIVERY-STATUS > >Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.megsinet.net > >Action: delayed >Status: 4.0.0 (unable to deliver this message after 1 day) >Original-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Final-recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >--Boundary_(ID_4uwT2qbNDRl0ro2j+O1haQ) >Content-type: text/plain > >Return-path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Received: from mail.megsinet.net by mail.megsinet.net > (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.11.13.11.10) > id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:39:03 -0600 (CST) >Received: from shell.ncm.com by mail.megsinet.net > (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1998.09.21.23.34) > with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:40:13 -0600 (CST) >Received: (from listadm@localhost) by shell.ncm.com (8.8.5/8.7.5) > id TAA30116; Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:46:30 -0500 >Resent-date: Tue, 16 Fe
Re: Mailing list trouble
On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, John Goerzen wrote: > You may want to be on the alert for a message like this. Apparently either > the administrator of java.blackdown.org or a very poorly-written bounce > catcher is seriously misconfigured. If you note, it claims to have removed > me due to bounces my mail account caused, but in reality, it was > [EMAIL PROTECTED] My mail server was up the entire time, and my > mail logs confirm that. Every message I've posted to the list this week has resulted in a bounced message from a system where the username is no longer valid. Brett W. McCoy http://www.lan2wan.com/~bmccoy --- On-line, adj.: The idea that a human being should always be accessible to a computer. - BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK - Version: 3.12 GAT dpu s:-- a C UL$ P+ L+++ E W++ N- o K- w--- O@ M-@ !V PS+++ PE Y+ PGP- t++ 5- X+ R+@ tv b+++ DI+++ D+ e>++ h+ r++ y -- END GEEK CODE BLOCK --
RE: Solaris x86 and Linux
The Solaris X86 for free is a non-commercial license only. You can use linux for a business. also, you don't get Sun's C compiler with that (that's a seperate and expensive package) You can get gcc however for it. Take Care, Rob > -Original Message- > From: Armin kurz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 2:51 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Solaris x86 and Linux > > > Sun ships Solaris x86 without fee except the shipping costs. > > Does anybody know what Sun's market > positioning vision of that product is ? > > Where do they see Linux then ? Have they declared war to Linux ? > > And may this be the reason why the java support of Linux isn't > what some people expect it to be ? > > Who knows more ?
Re: Mailing list trouble
On Thu, Feb 18, 1999 at 12:20:38PM -0500, Brett W. McCoy wrote: > On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, John Goerzen wrote: > > Every message I've posted to the list this week has resulted in a > bounced message from a system where the username is no longer valid. Same here, and I've already complained to their postmaster several times. That's not something that the blackdown people can do much about, though -- there are other broken mailers out there.
TFS Delivery Failure: Re: Mailing list trouble (fwd)
This is the bounce message I am continually getting. Is anyone else getting this? Brett W. McCoy http://www.lan2wan.com/~bmccoy --- This is an unauthorized cybernetic announcement. - BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK - Version: 3.12 GAT dpu s:-- a C UL$ P+ L+++ E W++ N- o K- w--- O@ M-@ !V PS+++ PE Y+ PGP- t++ 5- X+ R+@ tv b+++ DI+++ D+ e>++ h+ r++ y -- END GEEK CODE BLOCK -- -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 14:50:39 + From: Mike Davies Mail Admin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: TFS Delivery Failure: Re: Mailing list trouble Your message to the following recipients was undeliverable: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailing list trouble
This mailing list has troubles, yes. The maintainer (Karl Asha) asked here about a month ago if someone else could host it, because he didn't have the time or resources to keep it going. Now might be a good opportunity for someone to contact him about rehosting the list. His email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please, if you do make this offer, be sure that you have the resources and commitment to see it through. We had a fiasco about 6 months ago trying to move the web pages to a site that dropped the ball. [EMAIL PROTECTED] . . . .. . . . http://www.media.mit.edu/~nelson/
java2?
Hi! Anybody working on porting java2 to linux? Plans or whatever? Greetings, Ben -- http://surf.to/anTiX
Re: JavaLinux for servlets (die die die)
John; Why are you arguing with Steve ? Isn't he one of the people porting 1.2 to linux ? Let it go, the last thing we need is to have the porters wasting time in this insipid thread. You made your points, let's just leave it at that !!! If you need to discuss your views even more, go to comp.lang.java.advocacy , and I'm sure you'll have fun arguing with people there. Steve, please don't waste time with these threads ... Thanks > > Perhaps you would realize that I did not start this thread? > > I was replying to a message that stated: > > > 4. Linux evangelists : Linux is the future. Java is a fad that will > >probably be overtaken by something else eventually. Think that Java > >does not have the best licensing model (it's not GPL). Java is slow > >because Perl kicks ass in CGI (have never heard of servlets). Can't > >understand why we don't just have a Java to native compiler, > > I do not understand why you are criticizing me for replying to that. If > that post was on-topic, which it seems to be, how can a topical reply not > be? > > Note that in my reply, I mentioned: > > A valid categorization, I believe. I clearly belong best to #4, but a > difference is that I believe that Linux will be overtaken by something else. > Hurd, for instance, when it gets more stable (but we're looking at years > here). > > Clearly Linux-related. Again, people ignore that part of my message. > > I then go on to talk about Java, how it relates to Unix (and Linux), and > then CGI. This was in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. > > > > I fail to see what's wrong with talking about Java's unique benefits and > > > problems in a Java list. > > > > Ok. Let me be REAL clear to you. Your thinking here is confused. You > > believe java-linux to be "*a* Java list"; i.e. you see is as equivalent to > > comp.lang.java. It is not. It is for discussing issues related to Java on > > I never said that. > > > Linux. If you want to engage in debates about larger issues which are really > > Linux independent, then this is NOT THE PLACE FOR YOU. I don't think that I've > > seen anything that you have written criticizing Java is specifically Linux Java > > related, and thus it constitutes a poor and inappropriate use of bandwidth to > > announce your generic opinions on java-linux. > > I was not announcing my generic opinions about Java. I was replying to > others. > > And if you think that Apache, CGI, web servers, and the like are not > Linux-related, well, please take a look at your neighborhood Linux > distribution and realize that they are. > > Note that we would not be talking about Apache or Perl for CGI if this was a > Windows platform, or even many Unices. > > > The comp.lang.java* news groups are a much better place to talk about the > > generic benefits and problems with the Java platform than java-linux. Please > > use them for expressing your generic Java views, ok? Thanks. > > I'm quite willing, and would be glad, to see this thread die. But the > rather brutal attack that I have suffered for merely pointing out that Java > is not always the best is not really justified. I did not start the thread. > I was agreeing with one particular option set forth by another person. It > started out Linux-related. My reply was Linux-related. When people started > replying to me, they chopped out parts of my messages. They did not reply > to the whole message. Several people in here even were thinking that I was > completely against Java, even after I recommended it for some types of > projects! (People never quoted that.) I use Java. I also use other > languages. What am I supposed to do here, refuse to answer because of > underhanded quoting techniques? > > This whole thread has illustrated something: there is a lot of delusion of > grandeur here. People must realize that no language is the best for > everything. As a Linux developer, I have a very high opinion of Linux, but > I do recognize that it has its weaknesses that could make it unsuitable for > some people. As someone that programs in Perl, I have a similar opinion. > Likewise for Java, (despite its poor licensing; the core is good.) > > John -- Augusto Sellhorn GE Harris Energy Control Systems
Re: Making an Java Application "wait" to be called
Check out the RMI docs. Especially the part about the Naming service. Should answer your question. If ya have JDK docs installed, check the RMI guide. Christopher Rowan wrote: > > Heya Hiya Ho! > > I want to make a database connection pool class that starts up, > preconnects n jdbc connections, then waits to be called by various apps. > > How do I make Java wait without exiting and without putting it into a > cycle sucking loop? > > I've checked the API docs and a few books (my due dilligence) but can't > find an answer. > > It's got to be ez - I just can't find it. > > Also, is CORBA/RMI the only way to call the connections? Is this even > possible? > > Suggestions? > > Chris Rowan > This mail is CopyLeft -- _ | "Come to me all you who are weary and burdened, and I | | will give you rest." | | | | -- Jesus Christ (Mt. 11:28) | |_| | Ernst de Haan | email [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Java programmer | web members.xoom.com/znerd/ | | Utrecht University| icq# 21871778 | |___|_|
Re: Making an Java Application "wait" to be called
If you need to make the same connection pool accessible from multiple
instances of the Java Virtual Machine, then yes, RMI is about the only
solution.
If, however, your connection pool can be unique for each launch of a VM, then
you could solve your problem quite easily with the good old fashioned
Singleton pattern combined with Java's static initializer. (If you are
unfamiliar with the Singleton pattern, buy, read, and memorize "Design
Patterns" by Gamma, et.al. or any other decent book on patterns.)
Something like this:
public class MyApp extends JFrame
{
private static ConnectionPool connectionPool = ConnectionPool.getPool();
.
}
public class ConnectionPool
{
private static ConnectionPool instance;
private ConnectionPool()
{
// Set up connections
}
public static ConnectionPool getPool()
{
if (instance == null) instance = new ConnectionPool();
return instance;
}
}
Trevor
P.S. In the future, please post questions like these to a JDBC or RMI mailing
list or one of the newsgroups. This list should be reserved for Linux-specific
Java questions.
Ernst de Haan wrote:
> Check out the RMI docs. Especially the part about the Naming service.
> Should answer your question.
>
> If ya have JDK docs installed, check the RMI guide.
>
> Christopher Rowan wrote:
> >
> > Heya Hiya Ho!
> >
> > I want to make a database connection pool class that starts up,
> > preconnects n jdbc connections, then waits to be called by various apps.
> >
> > How do I make Java wait without exiting and without putting it into a
> > cycle sucking loop?
> >
> > I've checked the API docs and a few books (my due dilligence) but can't
> > find an answer.
> >
> > It's got to be ez - I just can't find it.
> >
> > Also, is CORBA/RMI the only way to call the connections? Is this even
> > possible?
> >
> > Suggestions?
> >
> > Chris Rowan
> > This mail is CopyLeft
Re: TFS Delivery Failure: Re: Mailing list trouble (fwd)
Get it every single time -dave
Re: TFS Delivery Failure: Re: Mailing list trouble (fwd)
I'm about to ban the IP of that server from my sendmail. It's obviously not compliant with RFCs, and their admins never answer mail. Maybe if they get a 550 when trying to deliver a bounce, it will create a mail loop on their end, hehe :-) On Thu, Feb 18, 1999 at 01:17:55PM -0500, David Harvill wrote: > Get it every single time > > -dave >
Re: Making an Java Application "wait" to be called
I'm just going to give you a partial answer, since it's all I am capable of. I think that you probably want to make your application event driven so that requests come in the form of passed events, then the app just sits there waiting for events. Alternately, if it is a server, I think that you can leave it in ServerSocket.accept(), and it will just wait for connections without consuming cycles. I haven't quite figured out what keeps an app from exiting. It seems that if you don't put a return; at the end of the main() method, it will sit idly. Maybe someone else can give a definitive answer. Richard Hall Network Services University of Tennessee
Re: Making an Java Application "wait" to be called
Richard Hall wrote: > > I haven't quite figured out what keeps an app from exiting. It seems that > if you don't put a return; at the end of the main() method, it will sit > idly. Maybe someone else can give a definitive answer. > Actually, I think that a Java app will only exit if all of the threads finish. This means that if you start up GUI components that merely letting the main method run its course won't exit the program because the event handler thread is still running. You need to use something like System.exit(0); to force an exit in that case. -- B. Scott Boding | "Woah! Is my hair out?" FCI Communications | Hades, Lord of the Dead (408) 947-1014 | from Disney's Hercules
Re: More evil from Microsoft [Off topic]
The first impression I have is that it is a dumbed down version of C++ made to look like Java, but not be Java so as to avoid any further entanglements with Sun. I am waiting to see if Micro$oft is really arrogant enough to drop their J++ and replace it with this new toy. Bob McConnell N2SPP At 10:09 AM 2/18/99 +, Dimitris Vyzovitis wrote: >"Harold G. Andrews II" wrote: > >> When I looked at javalobby for the information regarding the JDK 1.2 Source >> Release, I noticed another article about a new programming language >> Microsoft is contemplating to get itself out from the litigation it's >> currently in with Sun. Thought you might enjoy reading the story >> yourselves. Enjoy >> >> http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/zd/zd6.htm >> > >This their chance to commit suicide... Even windoze people won't use it, and >it will pass in swee oblivion like minix... > >Dimtris > > > >
Re: More evil from Microsoft [Off topic]
"Brett W. McCoy" wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, Christopher Rowan wrote: > > > Oops, I thought he was referring to something else. > > > > Didn't Microsoft have a Unix-like OS with a name similar to Minix? > > Xenix, now known as SCO Unix. Not really, different source base. In fact, one of the gripes people had about SCO first release of Unix was that it was slower and more of a resource hog than Xenix. -- wYRd.:|:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:|:.prohibitions void where offered de recta non tolerandum sunt
Re: More evil from Microsoft [Off topic]
On Thu, 18 Feb 1999, Dimitris Vyzovitis wrote: > "Harold G. Andrews II" wrote: > > > I noticed another article about a new programming language > > Microsoft is contemplating to get itself out from the litigation it's > > currently in with Sun. Thought you might enjoy reading the story > > yourselves. Enjoy > > This their chance to commit suicide... Even windoze people won't use it, and > it will pass in sweet oblivion like minix... I don't think you are looking at the true history of what 'windoze people' willingly use. Look at "Frontpage Server Extensions", "VBScript", and the number of sites on the internet which have '.asp' as their primary document type. Microsoft can spend a few hundred million advertising the 'innovations', 'ease of use', and 'stability' of this product, and upper level management buys into it after only a couple of months. I recently had an employer ask me (completely seriously) why I didn't think that implementing an enterprise-wide database application using Microsoft Access was a good idea. After all, it IS the database engine supplied with Microsoft Office, which is the number one application for windows. Windoze people will buy anything microsoft sells them. --- If swimming is so good for your figure, how come whales look the way they do? --- Ted GarrettPGP Key ID: 0A04AE45 Network Systems Analyst for hire [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: JavaLinux for servlets, who to make templates?
Try Galileo Application Server, it works very well and it's free: http://www.esemplare.com/index.html It has all main features presented in Cold Fusion and uses JDBC instead of ODBC in Windoze version of Cold Fusion. Regards, Yuri Saveliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Marcel Ruff [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, 17 February 1999 19:45 > To: Robert Ritchy; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: JavaLinux for servlets, who to make templates? > > Hi > > you wrote about servlets and html-templates. > What possibilities are there to make html-templates > and where is there a good parser to build the final html file > from the template? > > thanks, Marcel > > > > > -- > Marcel Ruff > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.lake.de/home/lake/swand/ > >
Re: JavaLinux for servlets [off-topic]
>The comments regarding applets have nothing to do with C or JNI. Again I'm >trying to say that applets do not make sense in the context of HTML. It's >not Java's fault, it's just how things are. I don't see how this is true. HTTP is supposed to be a stateless, object- oriented protocol which simply uses HTML as one of its glue objects. Neither the protocol itself, nor the HTML spec state that the objects themselves must be stateless, nor does it attempt to define the objects. While I mistrust the embedded VM's in the browsers, and personally don't like applets, it is in no way the fault of HTML or HTTP. The browser VM's just typically suck. Used with a good VM, and in a secure/unrestricted area, applets can be a great tool. -- ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Non-sequiturs make me eat lampshades.
