Re: [JAWS-Users] FSCast 58 Discusses JAWS 13
As a criticism to the way of the FS podcasts, İ can add that they do their show ups on highly sterilized applications or documents somehow fitting the standards of the industry, such as Eric did in introducing the new table layer feature on research page. But the problem is here that research pages already conform to the accessibility standards of table creation. İn my opinion, we could observe as blind users the power of a screen reader on non-standard applications, documents or websites blatantly. So the examples should be chosen accordingly. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] JFW 13 OCR
I am not sure if Jaws should process the entire document and read back to us, this is beyond the range or the definition of a screen reader. Yet on the other hand, İ need to add that my mind is unclear about it. Perhaps the time of the screen reading software by its clasical definition is over, and the industry leaders both theoretically and practically need to discuss and rethink what and how a screen reader must be? what should it include and what should it not for the blinds? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] JFW 13 OCR
I thought exactly the same, the Jaws cursor voice pitch specified for the OCR reading is quite bothering and not that understandable particularly for the people whose mother tongue is not English. For the flexibility of editing or working on a document or an application, V cursor is a great need. İ asked the same question to myself, if İ could click a control on Jaws cursor in the OCR mode on a graphically interfaced application, could İ not teach this info to Jaws through ways/tools like labeling and so forth to use the same programme for next time without a need of an OCR processing twice? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Arrow keys not reading pages in Firefox
The version of Firefox is 5 . something and my Jaws is the latest of 11. If I need to, where would I get that version 3 that you recommended? Arianna - Original Message - From: Doris and Chris chipmu...@gmx.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Arrow keys not reading pages in Firefox Which version of firefox are you using? Make sure that your version of jaws 11 is the very latest build available from fs's website . If your problems persist, you might want to go back or stick with Firefox 3.6 which is still actively maintained at the moment. hth Doris At 06:47 PM 9/13/2011, you wrote: I'm using a Dell laptop with XP and Jaws 11. I can't get the arrow keys to read anything on pages on the net. Links work fine. How can I correct this? Arianna For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Arrow keys not reading pages in Firefox
www.oldapps.com hth Doris At 08:53 AM 9/14/2011, you wrote: The version of Firefox is 5 . something and my Jaws is the latest of 11. If I need to, where would I get that version 3 that you recommended? Arianna - Original Message - From: Doris and Chris chipmu...@gmx.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Arrow keys not reading pages in Firefox Which version of firefox are you using? Make sure that your version of jaws 11 is the very latest build available from fs's website . If your problems persist, you might want to go back or stick with Firefox 3.6 which is still actively maintained at the moment. hth Doris At 06:47 PM 9/13/2011, you wrote: I'm using a Dell laptop with XP and Jaws 11. I can't get the arrow keys to read anything on pages on the net. Links work fine. How can I correct this? Arianna For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] RE2: OCR on graphical text using OneNote
Hi Brian, can you do much else with one note? I tried using one note 2003 but couldn't use it workably nor could I find any one that was able to use it. Regards Tom Bisset -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lee Sent: September 13, 2011 7:30 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] RE2: OCR on graphical text using OneNote Hello Prateek, I have only used single-paged PDF files. JAWS doesn't recognize the text at all and just says alert, empty document. For those image files, I have simply used copy and paste between Adobe Reader and OneNote. However, in the edit menu of Adobe Reader 10.1 there is a choice to copy the file. If you copy the file instead of choosing the regular copy command, you can paste it in OneNote and then copy the text from the image. Copying the file should work for multi-paged documents. Results will vary according to the quality of the input. Take care. Brian Lee brianl...@charter.net -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Dujari, Prateek Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 10:06 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] RE2: OCR on graphical text using onenote Hello. so if I have a PDF file, one of those which is all text but where the text is pasted as a graphic such that OCR software like Nuance's PDF converter professional and others are in effective: then can I open the inaccessible PDF file in Adobe, then hit CTRL A to presumably select all pages in the open Pdf file, then CTRL C to copy and then paste it using CTRL V in onenote and follow the couple of steps in onenote as described below to make all that graphical text readable by the PC cursor of JAWS? Really? Prateek -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lee Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:19 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] FSCast 58 Discusses JAWS 13 Hello, I have not yet heard the podcast from Freedom Scientific, but I want to point out to people using Office 2010 with OneNote in the suite that you can do OCR on image files using that program. You can extract text from .tif, .jpg, .pdf, etc. If you open a .TIF file that contains text (in Windows Photo viewer for example), simply copy the text to the clipboard. Open OneNote using Windows key with N. Paste the contents of the clipboard. If you get a pop up menu choose to open the file as a print out so you can add notes. When the image is pasted arrow up or down to the line that says something like machine generated text and use application key. Arrow down to the menu choice for copying text from image and press enter key. You can then open Word and paste the text. It does a pretty good job. Take care. Brian Lee brianl...@charter.net -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Adi Kushnir Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:06 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] FSCast 58 Discusses JAWS 13 Hi, I agree with you about the OCR. In Israel, I use ABBYY FineReader 11 professional edition because the OCR is much better and I don't think that omnipage has Hebrew support. So, JAWS 13 will not have Hebrew OCR but Baum uses FineReader and has Hebrew. But, because I don't like Baum and I love FS, I will be stuck for this feature! Adi. Regards, Adi. -Original Message- From: Hamit Campos Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 5:00 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] FSCast 58 Discusses JAWS 13 The OCR thing is way cool. Especially when Errick read the DVD main menu with it. Think about it. If JFW 13 when it does work with Win 8 doesn't hook like NVDA and System Access do, it'll be So much easyer still to watch a DVD on your own. Pluss you'll be using WMP which is already easy to use some what as it is. This will only make it all the more easier. Assuming JAWS works with out hooking to the Video that is. See because since it does that WMP thinks JAWS wants to coppy the disk so that's why one gets that diolauge about not being able to run the analogue coppy protection thing. In short, If JAWS doesn't hook to the video in Win 8, and if the OCR can scan DVD menus like it did for Erick, watching movies will be golden on the PC. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of soner Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 6:03 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] FSCast 58 Discusses JAWS 13 OCR feature is indeed an old yet a failed idea trying to be implemented by Baum of Germany before in its screen reading product called
Re: [JAWS-Users] JFW 13 OCR
So you always know the PDF you download is accessible and free from security? You never know that unless you know who made it and that is very little. At 05:35 PM 9/13/2011, you wrote: Well I feel the convenient OCr, as he called it, is not that cool really. First it purportedly just OCr's the stuff that fits on the window on the PC screen within the open Adobe PDF file and totally ignores the rest of the multi page Pdf file. Which means if I need to access the whole doc which is almost always the case with anyone, u still need to get another expensive PDF converter/OCR software. And honestly in my case at least, and I'd assume in most blind people's cases, we already know the topic of any PDF document we download with an intention and or need to access all of it. I'd challenge that most blind people don't just download a PDF file not knowing at all what the heck it contains. In al such cases the JFW 13 OCr feature doesn't make any diff really. Now of course the situation is quite diff if u take a pic of a print document u have no idea what it is using a camera and save then upload it to your PC as an image file and then use JFW 13's OCR feature. IN this case yes its valuable. IN summary this feature is of any value only and only if you have no clue what the soft PDF or image file contains. Prateek -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Gena Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 2:17 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] FSCast 58 Discusses JAWS 13 Well said. I agree whole heartedly. If everything works as he showed in the podcast, I think this will be the greatest version yet. I am very excited. Cheers, Gena -Original Message- From: Hamit Campos Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 10:00 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] FSCast 58 Discusses JAWS 13 The OCR thing is way cool. Especially when Errick read the DVD main menu with it. Think about it. If JFW 13 when it does work with Win 8 doesn't hook like NVDA and System Access do, it'll be So much easyer still to watch a DVD on your own. Pluss you'll be using WMP which is already easy to use some what as it is. This will only make it all the more easier. Assuming JAWS works with out hooking to the Video that is. See because since it does that WMP thinks JAWS wants to coppy the disk so that's why one gets that diolauge about not being able to run the analogue coppy protection thing. In short, If JAWS doesn't hook to the video in Win 8, and if the OCR can scan DVD menus like it did for Erick, watching movies will be golden on the PC. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of soner Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 6:03 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] FSCast 58 Discusses JAWS 13 OCR feature is indeed an old yet a failed idea trying to be implemented by Baum of Germany before in its screen reading product called Cobra. Should Baum sue Freedom then? :) Let the joke aside, this is really a great move and as Mr. Mosen puts it well, a game changer in screen reading technology. yet Ý wanna pose a big but about the choice of Freedom's Omnipage as its OCR engine that it is not the best in the market, as FS guys also may know very well that most of the blinds over the world having non-FreedomScientific options, use ABBYY Fine reader which is the pinnacle of the OCR products in the market as of today. So, a perfect idea with a wrong choice of engin... P.S: independent reviews juxtaposing the two engins mentioned above can easily be found with a simple Google search. Regards For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] JAWS 13 Public Beta will be live at 2 PM Eastern
All, You will find a link to the entire write up including the download links from the Freedom Scientific Home page. Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 13 Public Beta will be live at 2 PM Eastern
Good stuff, can't wait to play with JFW 13. Thanks for the heads-up. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Eric Damery Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:56 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 13 Public Beta will be live at 2 PM Eastern All, You will find a link to the entire write up including the download links from the Freedom Scientific Home page. Eric For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] JAWS 13 Public Beta Download
It's official. You can now download the public beta of JAWS 13. Have a good time! http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-public-beta.asp Gerald For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 13 Public Beta Download
Thanks for the heads up Gerald. Rick Justice - Original Message - From: Gerald Levy bwaylimi...@verizon.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:11 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 13 Public Beta Download It's official. You can now download the public beta of JAWS 13. Have a good time! http://www.freedomscientific.com/downloads/jaws/JAWS-public-beta.asp Gerald For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] JAWS 13 Impressions
Convenient OCR I was a little skeptical about how useful the convenient OCR feature would be for me, but ten minutes with JAWS 13 made me realize that it will be a fantastic addition to my screen reading toolbox! One place I found it to be of tremendous use was in Windows Media Center. I do use my computer as my primary means for accessing TV channels, but while Windows Media Center works well when you’re changing channels, exploring the guide, or scheduling and reviewing recordings, in general, informational messages displayed on the screen are not accessible. For example, in all the setup wizards, you can view the choices such as yes or no, but not the information on what exactly it’s asking. That means before now, if you wanted to get an accurate idea of which settings you were changing in Media Center, or access any advanced features, you needed to have sighted help. I am pleased to say that the Convenient OCR feature did a great job in this respect. There were a few clerical errors in the results, as is common for most text recognition engines, but it made every single screen in Media Center accessible to me. I’ll now be able to use it, as well as many other formerly inaccessible applications, independently. Many people have stated that Convenient OCR won't perform very well when you want to recognize large passages of text; unfortunately, I think that is a completely accurate criticism. Where Convenient OCR shines, in my view, is the ability to interact dynamically with the OCR results. For example, suppose you took a screenshot of your DVD's menu and performed OCR on it within openbook or Kurzweil 1000. You might get accurate results, but it would be hard to do anything with them. With Convenient OCR you'll be able to mouse-click on specific portions of the text as though you were clicking on part of the menu. This is where Convenient OCR excels. I must say I find the default OCR voice to be a little bit silly, though of course that is easily changed from within Settings Center. In my case I simply deleted then re-created the voice alias, so that it would use my current voice and not alter it. JAWS Cursor support in Internet Explorer 9 I was pleased to learn that JAWS 13 includes full support for the use of the JAWS Cursor in Internet Explorer 9, but I’m sad to say that this still doesn’t work for me. Attempting to use the JAWS cursor on any website within IE9 results in a blank message being spoken, or the computer hanging for several seconds. I have reported this issue to Freedom Scientific. JAWS Quick Settings Of course JAWS quick settings isn’t a true “feature” – it’s merely a reorganization of something that was always present in JAWS. That said, I do find the new Quick Settings to be a more consolidated and logical approach than the three separate dialogs (adjust JAWS options, braille settings, and personalized web settings) that used to exist in prior versions of JAWS. Results Viewer This increased flexibility for reading certain virtual screens within JAWS is certainly welcome—though given that it only supports a few designated screens (research it, skim reading, and custom summary—none of which I really need full HTML support for) it’s hard to get too excited about the feature. I’m hopeful that script developers will find some interesting and creative uses for the feature, though to be honest I’d be surprised if the average user experienced any incredible increase in efficiency because of the feature. JAWS Find with context-specific history Again, I see this more as an “enhancement” than a feature, but it’ll be nice to have a more relevant display of search history items. For example, on a frequently-visited forums website I have a couple different search strings that I utilize to navigate to specific parts of the forums, but of course those aren’t relevant when I’m reading Email or another website. Now I’ll be able to access only search history items that are relevant at a given moment. It may well be a good idea, with this increased organization of search history, to increase the list of saved searches well past twenty-five. Table layer keystrokes It seems to me that Freedom Scientific could simply introduce a feature where users could add or modify the behavior of layered keystrokes, rather than doing so in each JAWS version and selling it as a feature. Mute speech (layer + S) and these table navigation commands could have all been added by an intermediate JAWS user himself if the option was available in the keyboard manager. Microsoft Word improvements While I haven’t done anything to test this empirically, it really does seem to me that I experience a snappier and more accurate experience as I navigate Word – good job! Other thoughts When I was reading the full list of new features, my first thought was “that’s it?” Given the history of pretty radical upgrades to JAWS with dozens of new features, I found this version to be a bit underwhelming in that regard. In
Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 13 Impressions
I am so pleased to hear your comments on the OCR addition to the program. I will be excited to try it out soon. Thanks for your review of the new JAWS 12 and for taking the time to share it. Cheers, Gena -Original Message- From: Grant Hardy Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 7:06 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 13 Impressions Convenient OCR I was a little skeptical about how useful the convenient OCR feature would be for me, but ten minutes with JAWS 13 made me realize that it will be a fantastic addition to my screen reading toolbox! One place I found it to be of tremendous use was in Windows Media Center. I do use my computer as my primary means for accessing TV channels, but while Windows Media Center works well when you’re changing channels, exploring the guide, or scheduling and reviewing recordings, in general, informational messages displayed on the screen are not accessible. For example, in all the setup wizards, you can view the choices such as yes or no, but not the information on what exactly it’s asking. That means before now, if you wanted to get an accurate idea of which settings you were changing in Media Center, or access any advanced features, you needed to have sighted help. I am pleased to say that the Convenient OCR feature did a great job in this respect. There were a few clerical errors in the results, as is common for most text recognition engines, but it made every single screen in Media Center accessible to me. I’ll now be able to use it, as well as many other formerly inaccessible applications, independently. Many people have stated that Convenient OCR won't perform very well when you want to recognize large passages of text; unfortunately, I think that is a completely accurate criticism. Where Convenient OCR shines, in my view, is the ability to interact dynamically with the OCR results. For example, suppose you took a screenshot of your DVD's menu and performed OCR on it within openbook or Kurzweil 1000. You might get accurate results, but it would be hard to do anything with them. With Convenient OCR you'll be able to mouse-click on specific portions of the text as though you were clicking on part of the menu. This is where Convenient OCR excels. I must say I find the default OCR voice to be a little bit silly, though of course that is easily changed from within Settings Center. In my case I simply deleted then re-created the voice alias, so that it would use my current voice and not alter it. JAWS Cursor support in Internet Explorer 9 I was pleased to learn that JAWS 13 includes full support for the use of the JAWS Cursor in Internet Explorer 9, but I’m sad to say that this still doesn’t work for me. Attempting to use the JAWS cursor on any website within IE9 results in a blank message being spoken, or the computer hanging for several seconds. I have reported this issue to Freedom Scientific. JAWS Quick Settings Of course JAWS quick settings isn’t a true “feature” – it’s merely a reorganization of something that was always present in JAWS. That said, I do find the new Quick Settings to be a more consolidated and logical approach than the three separate dialogs (adjust JAWS options, braille settings, and personalized web settings) that used to exist in prior versions of JAWS. Results Viewer This increased flexibility for reading certain virtual screens within JAWS is certainly welcome—though given that it only supports a few designated screens (research it, skim reading, and custom summary—none of which I really need full HTML support for) it’s hard to get too excited about the feature. I’m hopeful that script developers will find some interesting and creative uses for the feature, though to be honest I’d be surprised if the average user experienced any incredible increase in efficiency because of the feature. JAWS Find with context-specific history Again, I see this more as an “enhancement” than a feature, but it’ll be nice to have a more relevant display of search history items. For example, on a frequently-visited forums website I have a couple different search strings that I utilize to navigate to specific parts of the forums, but of course those aren’t relevant when I’m reading Email or another website. Now I’ll be able to access only search history items that are relevant at a given moment. It may well be a good idea, with this increased organization of search history, to increase the list of saved searches well past twenty-five. Table layer keystrokes It seems to me that Freedom Scientific could simply introduce a feature where users could add or modify the behavior of layered keystrokes, rather than doing so in each JAWS version and selling it as a feature. Mute speech (layer + S) and these table navigation commands could have all been added by an intermediate JAWS user himself if the option was available in the keyboard manager. Microsoft Word improvements While I haven’t done anything to test this
[JAWS-Users] Merge utility in Jaws 13
Hello Listers, It appears that the merge utility is not available in Jaws 13 at this time. Do any of you have some idea about this situation. Roger For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Merge utility in Jaws 13
I just did it manually since the automated feature is not available. David Ferrin Most people don't know what they're doing and a lot of them are really good at it. - Original Message - From: Roger Levine rlstat...@earthlink.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 7:57 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Merge utility in Jaws 13 Hello Listers, It appears that the merge utility is not available in Jaws 13 at this time. Do any of you have some idea about this situation. Roger For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Merge utility in Jaws 13
Because of the rewrite of our Word interface, it is not clear that Merge will continue to be supported. If you have 3 party scripts which we do not provide scripts for already, you can copy those from the user folder in earlier versions to the new JAWS 13 user folder. I request that you avoid coping any modified default, IE, or Office scripts however. Regards, Eric Damery From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com on behalf of Roger Levine Sent: Wed 9/14/2011 7:57 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Merge utility in Jaws 13 Hello Listers, It appears that the merge utility is not available in Jaws 13 at this time. Do any of you have some idea about this situation. Roger For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 13 Impressions
Well, when I opened quick settings in Outlook 2010 I expected to be where I could check to read all messages, instead I was in some word settings, finally I found what I wanted which is to have Jaws read messages when I open an e-mail, in my humble opinion this should be the default and the speed should never be at 15%. Waiting for it to get to the point where I can change it to 40% makes me a little crazy. Unfortunately, I have only been home from work for a bit so I have not tried more than Outlook 2010 so far. Still using Jaws 9 at work due to some scripting that we don't think would transition well, so the convenient OCR which I would love to have at work where they think taking a picture is great and where I have no OCR at all won't be of as much use to me where I need it the most. Any way I could move that into 9? I am only wishing, I really do not expect an answer. Rose Combs roseco...@q.com -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:07 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 13 Impressions Convenient OCR I was a little skeptical about how useful the convenient OCR feature would be for me, but ten minutes with JAWS 13 made me realize that it will be a fantastic addition to my screen reading toolbox! One place I found it to be of tremendous use was in Windows Media Center. I do use my computer as my primary means for accessing TV channels, but while Windows Media Center works well when you're changing channels, exploring the guide, or scheduling and reviewing recordings, in general, informational messages displayed on the screen are not accessible. For example, in all the setup wizards, you can view the choices such as yes or no, but not the information on what exactly it's asking. That means before now, if you wanted to get an accurate idea of which settings you were changing in Media Center, or access any advanced features, you needed to have sighted help. I am pleased to say that the Convenient OCR feature did a great job in this respect. There were a few clerical errors in the results, as is common for most text recognition engines, but it made every single screen in Media Center accessible to me. I'll now be able to use it, as well as many other formerly inaccessible applications, independently. Many people have stated that Convenient OCR won't perform very well when you want to recognize large passages of text; unfortunately, I think that is a completely accurate criticism. Where Convenient OCR shines, in my view, is the ability to interact dynamically with the OCR results. For example, suppose you took a screenshot of your DVD's menu and performed OCR on it within openbook or Kurzweil 1000. You might get accurate results, but it would be hard to do anything with them. With Convenient OCR you'll be able to mouse-click on specific portions of the text as though you were clicking on part of the menu. This is where Convenient OCR excels. I must say I find the default OCR voice to be a little bit silly, though of course that is easily changed from within Settings Center. In my case I simply deleted then re-created the voice alias, so that it would use my current voice and not alter it. JAWS Cursor support in Internet Explorer 9 I was pleased to learn that JAWS 13 includes full support for the use of the JAWS Cursor in Internet Explorer 9, but I'm sad to say that this still doesn't work for me. Attempting to use the JAWS cursor on any website within IE9 results in a blank message being spoken, or the computer hanging for several seconds. I have reported this issue to Freedom Scientific. JAWS Quick Settings Of course JAWS quick settings isn't a true feature - it's merely a reorganization of something that was always present in JAWS. That said, I do find the new Quick Settings to be a more consolidated and logical approach than the three separate dialogs (adjust JAWS options, braille settings, and personalized web settings) that used to exist in prior versions of JAWS. Results Viewer This increased flexibility for reading certain virtual screens within JAWS is certainly welcome-though given that it only supports a few designated screens (research it, skim reading, and custom summary-none of which I really need full HTML support for) it's hard to get too excited about the feature. I'm hopeful that script developers will find some interesting and creative uses for the feature, though to be honest I'd be surprised if the average user experienced any incredible increase in efficiency because of the feature. JAWS Find with context-specific history Again, I see this more as an enhancement than a feature, but it'll be nice to have a more relevant display of search history items. For example, on a frequently-visited forums website I have a couple different search strings that I utilize to navigate to specific parts of the
Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 13 Impressions
See, I new it. I told you all that the OCR would make using things like Media Center easyer. Some of the other things were kind of under welming for me too though. But yeah, I'm using JFW 13 right now as a matter of fact, so far so good. -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 7:07 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS 13 Impressions Convenient OCR I was a little skeptical about how useful the convenient OCR feature would be for me, but ten minutes with JAWS 13 made me realize that it will be a fantastic addition to my screen reading toolbox! One place I found it to be of tremendous use was in Windows Media Center. I do use my computer as my primary means for accessing TV channels, but while Windows Media Center works well when you're changing channels, exploring the guide, or scheduling and reviewing recordings, in general, informational messages displayed on the screen are not accessible. For example, in all the setup wizards, you can view the choices such as yes or no, but not the information on what exactly it's asking. That means before now, if you wanted to get an accurate idea of which settings you were changing in Media Center, or access any advanced features, you needed to have sighted help. I am pleased to say that the Convenient OCR feature did a great job in this respect. There were a few clerical errors in the results, as is common for most text recognition engines, but it made every single screen in Media Center accessible to me. I'll now be able to use it, as well as many other formerly inaccessible applications, independently. Many people have stated that Convenient OCR won't perform very well when you want to recognize large passages of text; unfortunately, I think that is a completely accurate criticism. Where Convenient OCR shines, in my view, is the ability to interact dynamically with the OCR results. For example, suppose you took a screenshot of your DVD's menu and performed OCR on it within openbook or Kurzweil 1000. You might get accurate results, but it would be hard to do anything with them. With Convenient OCR you'll be able to mouse-click on specific portions of the text as though you were clicking on part of the menu. This is where Convenient OCR excels. I must say I find the default OCR voice to be a little bit silly, though of course that is easily changed from within Settings Center. In my case I simply deleted then re-created the voice alias, so that it would use my current voice and not alter it. JAWS Cursor support in Internet Explorer 9 I was pleased to learn that JAWS 13 includes full support for the use of the JAWS Cursor in Internet Explorer 9, but I'm sad to say that this still doesn't work for me. Attempting to use the JAWS cursor on any website within IE9 results in a blank message being spoken, or the computer hanging for several seconds. I have reported this issue to Freedom Scientific. JAWS Quick Settings Of course JAWS quick settings isn't a true feature - it's merely a reorganization of something that was always present in JAWS. That said, I do find the new Quick Settings to be a more consolidated and logical approach than the three separate dialogs (adjust JAWS options, braille settings, and personalized web settings) that used to exist in prior versions of JAWS. Results Viewer This increased flexibility for reading certain virtual screens within JAWS is certainly welcome-though given that it only supports a few designated screens (research it, skim reading, and custom summary-none of which I really need full HTML support for) it's hard to get too excited about the feature. I'm hopeful that script developers will find some interesting and creative uses for the feature, though to be honest I'd be surprised if the average user experienced any incredible increase in efficiency because of the feature. JAWS Find with context-specific history Again, I see this more as an enhancement than a feature, but it'll be nice to have a more relevant display of search history items. For example, on a frequently-visited forums website I have a couple different search strings that I utilize to navigate to specific parts of the forums, but of course those aren't relevant when I'm reading Email or another website. Now I'll be able to access only search history items that are relevant at a given moment. It may well be a good idea, with this increased organization of search history, to increase the list of saved searches well past twenty-five. Table layer keystrokes It seems to me that Freedom Scientific could simply introduce a feature where users could add or modify the behavior of layered keystrokes, rather than doing so in each JAWS version and selling it as a feature. Mute speech (layer + S) and these table navigation commands could have all been added by an intermediate JAWS user himself if the
[JAWS-Users] Can't install beta
Hi all, I am unable to install the beater. I start the installation process and it gets far as extracting Reader and goes no further. I have tried re downloading the program from FS again,. I have turned off the firewall and AV program all with no luck. Anybody got any ideas? Thanks for any help. Max. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Merge utility in Jaws 13
I was wondering why the Merge wasn't available. I also have a question about IE. When I hit JAWS + A, it only says Address Bar. It used to say the web address. How do I get it to say the address? -Original Message- From: Eric Damery Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:02 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Merge utility in Jaws 13 Because of the rewrite of our Word interface, it is not clear that Merge will continue to be supported. If you have 3 party scripts which we do not provide scripts for already, you can copy those from the user folder in earlier versions to the new JAWS 13 user folder. I request that you avoid coping any modified default, IE, or Office scripts however. Regards, Eric Damery From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com on behalf of Roger Levine Sent: Wed 9/14/2011 7:57 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Merge utility in Jaws 13 Hello Listers, It appears that the merge utility is not available in Jaws 13 at this time. Do any of you have some idea about this situation. Roger For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Merge utility in Jaws 13
try alt d or f4 Keep Smiling, Janie Degenshein Happiness isn't having what you want, but wanting what you already have Access Tech Consultant Facilitator of ECHO (Eyes Closed Hearts Open) Co-host of OTBS On The Bright Side www.thruoureyes.org/brightside.html jdege...@comcast.net -Original Message- From: rd...@ptd.net Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:23 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Merge utility in Jaws 13 I was wondering why the Merge wasn't available. I also have a question about IE. When I hit JAWS + A, it only says Address Bar. It used to say the web address. How do I get it to say the address? -Original Message- From: Eric Damery Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 8:02 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Merge utility in Jaws 13 Because of the rewrite of our Word interface, it is not clear that Merge will continue to be supported. If you have 3 party scripts which we do not provide scripts for already, you can copy those from the user folder in earlier versions to the new JAWS 13 user folder. I request that you avoid coping any modified default, IE, or Office scripts however. Regards, Eric Damery From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com on behalf of Roger Levine Sent: Wed 9/14/2011 7:57 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Merge utility in Jaws 13 Hello Listers, It appears that the merge utility is not available in Jaws 13 at this time. Do any of you have some idea about this situation. Roger For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
