[JAWS-Users] Please edit the subject field to be more descriptive. loving jaws and a few questions

[Tim Ford]

Hi All,

If this thread continues, it would be much appreciated if the next person 
could edit the subject line so we know what the thread is about without 
having to read the whole note.


Much thanks,
Tim Ford


-Original Message- 
From: Gene Warner

Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 5:53 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] loving jaws and a few questions

Hi Rebecca!

JAWS should already be set to read the entire message to you when you
open it. However, if you interrupt it or just want to have it read the
message again:

1. Press control+home to go to the beginning of the message.
2. Press the JAWS key + down arrow, in desktop layout this is
Insert+down arrow. This is the say all command and tells JAWS to read
from where ever the cursor is to the end.

hth

Cheers!




On 12/9/2016 5:32 PM, Rebecca Ilniski wrote:

Hi Gene and all.  Thank you for answering my questions.  I'm enjoying
reading the various responses and enjoying jaws so far.  I got my box
with all of the info and backup cd yesterday.  I got the email download
on Monday and got it installed appropriately. Another question I have is
about Jaws and Thunderbird.  Is there a keystroke that will read the
whole message after you open it? Otherwise I'm doing well with it and
really can't complain.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] loving jaws and a few questions

[Gene Warner]

Hi Rebecca!

JAWS should already be set to read the entire message to you when you 
open it. However, if you interrupt it or just want to have it read the 
message again:


1. Press control+home to go to the beginning of the message.
2. Press the JAWS key + down arrow, in desktop layout this is 
Insert+down arrow. This is the say all command and tells JAWS to read 
from where ever the cursor is to the end.


hth

Cheers!




On 12/9/2016 5:32 PM, Rebecca Ilniski wrote:

Hi Gene and all.  Thank you for answering my questions.  I'm enjoying
reading the various responses and enjoying jaws so far.  I got my box
with all of the info and backup cd yesterday.  I got the email download
on Monday and got it installed appropriately. Another question I have is
about Jaws and Thunderbird.  Is there a keystroke that will read the
whole message after you open it? Otherwise I'm doing well with it and
really can't complain.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] speaking of IE

[Mike B.]

Hi Bill,

If both computers are both Widows 10 computers, don't take my answer with 
100% surity since I don't run Widows 10, but in past Windows systems you 
could simply highlight /select the whole Favorites folder from the old 
computer, press, control + C, to copy it, & paste the whole Favorites folder 
to a flashdrive, then plug the flashdrive into the new computer, copy / cut 
the Favorites folder from the flashdrive, & paste it to the appropriate User 
folder
on the OS drive.

Take care.
Mike
Sent from my iBarstool.
- Original Message - 
From: Bill
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 4:12 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] speaking of IE


Hi Mike,
sorry about that, I'm speaking about windows 10 here, and while I've
found the folder for favorites using the previous message, I'm not
completely sure if I simply just go in to the folder and highlight all
and copy what's there, and then just put that in the other folder on
the laptop computer?
thanks,
bill

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Are there any recommended settings in file explorer in W10?

[TheHangMan]

Jim,
Try to run jaws from the system tray, instead than from the desktop (Jaws
option menu).

Waite, there was an update to windows 10 today and Tuesday there is going to
be another one.

Check your MSCONFIG on what is starting at start up, I admit is a little
more confusing and different than on wind 7.
It's very important to shut down the PC at night correctly, when you shut
down,
Because Windows 10 snaps an image of your system at the time that was
running, so when you start up it should be faster

I experience that here to sometimes, but as long as it comes on, I don't
worry...
Press windows key and tab across to the navigation  drop down list and Arrow
down to power-enter and arrow to shut down-enter, there are other options as
restart sleep.


Or,I would be calling the jaws voodoo doctor Mike B.
The doctor has a potion for every jaws sickness in his bag  of potions
(SMILE.)
Jorge






-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of jim rawls
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 6:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Are there any recommended settings in file
explorer in W10?

George, I have done that. jaws 17 is gone, and I have reinstalled 18 latest
update. My computer starts much slower than it did before I installed the
anniversary update. I don't know what the difference in the anniversary
update than what I had before frankly. I'm thinking about rolling back, but
thought I had better hold on, and see if I can get the slowness solved

. I have jaws 18 latest update on my computer and no other screen reader.
When I boot up the computer, it says windows sign on unavailable, then it
says sign on button, and then there is a long pause before jaws says, jaws
professional. Things are just moving slower at start up. Jim

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of TheHangMan
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 2:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Are there any recommended settings in file
explorer in W10?

Jim,
Whatever version of jaws you are using,
Download latest Jaws to your down load folder that you are using, Delete out
J 17 out of your pc, but keep the files only.
Start your narrator and go to your download folder and re-install Jaws
17again.
For some reason the anniversary and jaws works great, after this.
Then, reset jaws quick key command and reset the jaws option menu.
HTH,


Jorge
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 3:28 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Are there any recommended settings in file
explorer in W10?

I am not using Windows 10 but I've never heard that any settings in Windows
had to be changed to get the most out of JAWS. Is this a Windows
10 only thing or is it just something that some people have found by
experience?

Cheers!




On 12/9/2016 2:18 PM, jim rawls wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I just downloaded and installed the anniversary update for W10, and
> found out that I had to reset all my default stuff, and since jaws
> isn't acting quite right, thought I had better check to see if all
> settings under file explorer needed to be set a certain way. In the
> past, this was so. So, do I need to do anything in file explorer to
> help jaws run better. Early I posted that jaws wasn't saying the yes
> or no buttons in user account control when installing a program. When
> I called a support tech today, she said, oh yes, this happened to me
> several times too. now,, there's her solution to a problem, don't you
think? Smile. Any help here would be appreciated. Smile.
> Jim
>
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> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>

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[JAWS-Users] speaking of IE

[Bill]

Hi Shai,
this is exactly what I was wanting to do, so I'll hold on to this 
message until I get my new computer and will take care of it then.

Many thanks,
bill K.

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[JAWS-Users] speaking of IE

[Bill]

Hi Mike,
sorry about that, I'm speaking about windows 10 here, and while I've 
found the folder for favorites using the previous message, I'm not 
completely sure if I simply just go in to the folder and highlight all 
and copy what's there, and then just put that in the other folder on 
the laptop computer?

thanks,
bill

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Re: [JAWS-Users] loving jaws and a few questions

[Rebecca Ilniski]

Hi Gene and all.  Thank you for answering my questions.  I'm enjoying 
reading the various responses and enjoying jaws so far.  I got my box 
with all of the info and backup cd yesterday.  I got the email download 
on Monday and got it installed appropriately. Another question I have is 
about Jaws and Thunderbird.  Is there a keystroke that will read the 
whole message after you open it? Otherwise I'm doing well with it and 
really can't complain.

--
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Are there any recommended settings in file explorer in W10?

[jim rawls]

George, I have done that. jaws 17 is gone, and I have reinstalled 18 latest
update. My computer starts much slower than it did before I installed the
anniversary update. I don't know what the difference in the anniversary
update than what I had before frankly. I'm thinking about rolling back, but
thought I had better hold on, and see if I can get the slowness solved. I
have jaws 18 latest update on my computer and no other screen reader. When I
boot up the computer, it says windows sign on unavailable, then it says sign
on button, and then there is a long pause before jaws says, jaws
professional. Things are just moving slower at start up. Jim

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of TheHangMan
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 2:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Are there any recommended settings in file
explorer in W10?

Jim,
Whatever version of jaws you are using,
Download latest Jaws to your down load folder that you are using, Delete out
J 17 out of your pc, but keep the files only.
Start your narrator and go to your download folder and re-install Jaws
17again.
For some reason the anniversary and jaws works great, after this.
Then, reset jaws quick key command and reset the jaws option menu.
HTH,


Jorge
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 3:28 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Are there any recommended settings in file
explorer in W10?

I am not using Windows 10 but I've never heard that any settings in Windows
had to be changed to get the most out of JAWS. Is this a Windows
10 only thing or is it just something that some people have found by
experience?

Cheers!




On 12/9/2016 2:18 PM, jim rawls wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I just downloaded and installed the anniversary update for W10, and
> found out that I had to reset all my default stuff, and since jaws
> isn't acting quite right, thought I had better check to see if all
> settings under file explorer needed to be set a certain way. In the
> past, this was so. So, do I need to do anything in file explorer to
> help jaws run better. Early I posted that jaws wasn't saying the yes
> or no buttons in user account control when installing a program. When
> I called a support tech today, she said, oh yes, this happened to me
> several times too. now,, there's her solution to a problem, don't you
think? Smile. Any help here would be appreciated. Smile.
> Jim
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Are there any recommended settings in file explorer in W10?

[TheHangMan]

Jim,
Whatever version of jaws you are using,
Download latest Jaws to your down load folder that you are using, Delete out
J 17 out of your pc, but keep the files only.
Start your narrator and go to your download folder and re-install Jaws
17again.
For some reason the anniversary and jaws works great, after this.
Then, reset jaws quick key command and reset the jaws option menu.
HTH,


Jorge
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 3:28 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Are there any recommended settings in file
explorer in W10?

I am not using Windows 10 but I've never heard that any settings in Windows
had to be changed to get the most out of JAWS. Is this a Windows
10 only thing or is it just something that some people have found by
experience?

Cheers!




On 12/9/2016 2:18 PM, jim rawls wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I just downloaded and installed the anniversary update for W10, and
> found out that I had to reset all my default stuff, and since jaws
> isn't acting quite right, thought I had better check to see if all
> settings under file explorer needed to be set a certain way. In the
> past, this was so. So, do I need to do anything in file explorer to
> help jaws run better. Early I posted that jaws wasn't saying the yes
> or no buttons in user account control when installing a program. When
> I called a support tech today, she said, oh yes, this happened to me
> several times too. now,, there's her solution to a problem, don't you
think? Smile. Any help here would be appreciated. Smile.
> Jim
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Posting to this List

[Moderator]

I would also like to add, that including individual's names in the "To" 
field
will cause the message to be held for approval.

Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com

- Original Message - 
From: "Moderator" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 8:20 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Posting to this List


Recently we have encountered quite a few messages held for approval,
due to cross-posting.
If you are not seeing your messages post to the list, this may be the cause.
Please refer to the List Guidelines for the proper posting procedure.

Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Are there any recommended settings in file explorer in W10?

[Gene Warner]

I am not using Windows 10 but I've never heard that any settings in 
Windows had to be changed to get the most out of JAWS. Is this a Windows 
10 only thing or is it just something that some people have found by 
experience?


Cheers!




On 12/9/2016 2:18 PM, jim rawls wrote:

Hi all,

I just downloaded and installed the anniversary update for W10, and found
out that I had to reset all my default stuff, and since jaws isn't acting
quite right, thought I had better check to see if all settings under file
explorer needed to be set a certain way. In the past, this was so. So, do I
need to do anything in file explorer to help jaws run better. Early I posted
that jaws wasn't saying the yes or no buttons in user account control when
installing a program. When I called a support tech today, she said, oh yes,
this happened to me several times too. now,, there's her solution to a
problem, don't you think? Smile. Any help here would be appreciated. Smile.
Jim

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird Blind scripts

[Gene Warner]

Hi

Wow! Now there's a word from the past! My dad used and like Eudora until 
they went belly up, or open source. Then he switched to web mail with 
gmail as I did, until I lost my vision. I still use gmail, but with 
Thunderbird. Once I changed two settings in the advanced settings 
section where you have to promise to be careful, and installed the 
Select Inbox add in, I've found to be a very usable email client. It 
isn't perfect, but it is far better than anything else I've looked at.


Cheers!




On 12/9/2016 1:49 PM, Jim Pursley wrote:

Dunno, I don't use them either.  A few things need workarounds but for
the most part I find that Thunderbird is quite an acceptable successor to
Eudora.

On 12/9/2016 4:38 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

Hi everyone!

I asked this question on the Do It Blind forums, but after a month,
got no replies, so...

Is anyone using the Thunderbird Blind scripts? I've been using
Thunderbird for almost 18 months and can pretty much do anything I
need to in it without any scripts helping me, unless some scripts came
with JAWS. So what would using the Thunderbird Blind scripts get me?

Thanks!

Cheers!

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[JAWS-Users] Are there any recommended settings in file explorer in W10?

[jim rawls]

Hi all,

I just downloaded and installed the anniversary update for W10, and found
out that I had to reset all my default stuff, and since jaws isn't acting
quite right, thought I had better check to see if all settings under file
explorer needed to be set a certain way. In the past, this was so. So, do I
need to do anything in file explorer to help jaws run better. Early I posted
that jaws wasn't saying the yes or no buttons in user account control when
installing a program. When I called a support tech today, she said, oh yes,
this happened to me several times too. now,, there's her solution to a
problem, don't you think? Smile. Any help here would be appreciated. Smile.
Jim

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Thunderbird Blind scripts

[Jim Pursley]

Dunno, I don't use them either.  A few things need workarounds but for 
the most part I find that Thunderbird is quite an acceptable successor to

Eudora.

On 12/9/2016 4:38 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

Hi everyone!

I asked this question on the Do It Blind forums, but after a month, 
got no replies, so...


Is anyone using the Thunderbird Blind scripts? I've been using 
Thunderbird for almost 18 months and can pretty much do anything I 
need to in it without any scripts helping me, unless some scripts came 
with JAWS. So what would using the Thunderbird Blind scripts get me?


Thanks!

Cheers!

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Chief Investment Officer
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[JAWS-Users] Thunderbird Blind scripts

[Gene Warner]

Hi everyone!

I asked this question on the Do It Blind forums, but after a month, got 
no replies, so...


Is anyone using the Thunderbird Blind scripts? I've been using 
Thunderbird for almost 18 months and can pretty much do anything I need 
to in it without any scripts helping me, unless some scripts came with 
JAWS. So what would using the Thunderbird Blind scripts get me?


Thanks!

Cheers!

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Posting to this List

[David Ferrin]

Gene has already explained what cross posting is, and in your case who has 
never done such a thing don't worry about it. The rule of thumb is simply if 
you see your own messages make it to the list then you are not guilty.


-Original Message- 
From: Dave

Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 12:49 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Posting to this List

David and Rick,

Please help remind me, a non-moderator type of person, just what
cross-posting is? That might help if there are some on the list who actually
have no idea they are causing a problem.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "David Ferrin" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 08:19
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Posting to this List


I would also like to add on to what Rick has stated that this is becoming
very tiresome to me, so much so that the parties in question will be removed
if they continue their cross posting practices.

The fact is no matter who would try and cross post a message it would get
held for approval.

That means who ever of the three of us gets to it first has to open and read
the message from Mailman as to why the message is being moderated. Then the
next step is to approve or deny it. This takes some time especially when a
person sends out four or five messages all cross posted.

I read every message that comes across this list and some days that gets to
be quite a task, but it is important to make sure things are going as they
should. I don't mind that, it's just this extra work of always having to
kick messages is got to stop.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

-Original Message- 
From: Moderator

Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 8:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Posting to this List

Recently we have encountered quite a few messages held for approval,
due to cross-posting.
If you are not seeing your messages post to the list, this may be the cause.
Please refer to the List Guidelines for the proper posting procedure.

Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Posting to this List

[Dave]

Excellent description. I can see how some novice listers might do this 
without even knowing why it's not allowed.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "Gene Warner" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 10:08
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Posting to this List


Crossposting is sending a message to multiple lists at the same time. An
example would be if I sent this email to the jaws-users, jaws-scripting,
and screen-reader-users lists at the same time by putting all their
addresses in the to field, or putting two of the addresses in the cc field.

If you want to crosspost, fine, just do it by sending a separate email
to each list.

Note that some of the lists in my example are fictional.

hth

Cheers!



On 12/9/2016 12:49 PM, Dave wrote:
> David and Rick,
>
> Please help remind me, a non-moderator type of person, just what
> cross-posting is? That might help if there are some on the list who 
> actually
> have no idea they are causing a problem.
>
> Dave
> Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "David Ferrin" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 08:19
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Posting to this List
>
>
> I would also like to add on to what Rick has stated that this is becoming
> very tiresome to me, so much so that the parties in question will be 
> removed
> if they continue their cross posting practices.
>
> The fact is no matter who would try and cross post a message it would get
> held for approval.
>
> That means who ever of the three of us gets to it first has to open and 
> read
> the message from Mailman as to why the message is being moderated. Then 
> the
> next step is to approve or deny it. This takes some time especially when a
> person sends out four or five messages all cross posted.
>
> I read every message that comes across this list and some days that gets 
> to
> be quite a task, but it is important to make sure things are going as they
> should. I don't mind that, it's just this extra work of always having to
> kick messages is got to stop.
>
> We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Moderator
> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 8:20 AM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Posting to this List
>
> Recently we have encountered quite a few messages held for approval,
> due to cross-posting.
> If you are not seeing your messages post to the list, this may be the 
> cause.
> Please refer to the List Guidelines for the proper posting procedure.
>
> Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
> jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
>
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>
>
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Posting to this List

[Gene Warner]

Crossposting is sending a message to multiple lists at the same time. An 
example would be if I sent this email to the jaws-users, jaws-scripting, 
and screen-reader-users lists at the same time by putting all their 
addresses in the to field, or putting two of the addresses in the cc field.


If you want to crosspost, fine, just do it by sending a separate email 
to each list.


Note that some of the lists in my example are fictional.

hth

Cheers!



On 12/9/2016 12:49 PM, Dave wrote:

David and Rick,

Please help remind me, a non-moderator type of person, just what
cross-posting is? That might help if there are some on the list who actually
have no idea they are causing a problem.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "David Ferrin" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 08:19
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Posting to this List


I would also like to add on to what Rick has stated that this is becoming
very tiresome to me, so much so that the parties in question will be removed
if they continue their cross posting practices.

The fact is no matter who would try and cross post a message it would get
held for approval.

That means who ever of the three of us gets to it first has to open and read
the message from Mailman as to why the message is being moderated. Then the
next step is to approve or deny it. This takes some time especially when a
person sends out four or five messages all cross posted.

I read every message that comes across this list and some days that gets to
be quite a task, but it is important to make sure things are going as they
should. I don't mind that, it's just this extra work of always having to
kick messages is got to stop.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

-Original Message-
From: Moderator
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 8:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Posting to this List

Recently we have encountered quite a few messages held for approval,
due to cross-posting.
If you are not seeing your messages post to the list, this may be the cause.
Please refer to the List Guidelines for the proper posting procedure.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Posting to this List

[Dave]

David and Rick,

Please help remind me, a non-moderator type of person, just what 
cross-posting is? That might help if there are some on the list who actually 
have no idea they are causing a problem.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "David Ferrin" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 08:19
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Posting to this List


I would also like to add on to what Rick has stated that this is becoming
very tiresome to me, so much so that the parties in question will be removed
if they continue their cross posting practices.

The fact is no matter who would try and cross post a message it would get
held for approval.

That means who ever of the three of us gets to it first has to open and read
the message from Mailman as to why the message is being moderated. Then the
next step is to approve or deny it. This takes some time especially when a
person sends out four or five messages all cross posted.

I read every message that comes across this list and some days that gets to
be quite a task, but it is important to make sure things are going as they
should. I don't mind that, it's just this extra work of always having to
kick messages is got to stop.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

-Original Message- 
From: Moderator
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 8:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Posting to this List

Recently we have encountered quite a few messages held for approval,
due to cross-posting.
If you are not seeing your messages post to the list, this may be the cause.
Please refer to the List Guidelines for the proper posting procedure.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and internet explorer 11 problem

[Dave]

IMHO I go back to JAWS 16 whenever I remember to do so. I hate the poor 
performance when using IE 11.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "Gene Warner" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2016 06:10
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and internet explorer 11 problem


Hi

I too have JAWS 15 and later, as I lost my vision to glaucoma in 2012
and was declared legally blind in 2013, soon after that I bought JAWS 15
and have maintained an SMA ever since.

After reading your message about JAWS 15 and 16 versus JAWS 17 and 18, I
realized the problems I've been struggling with between JAWS and IE11
that Freedom Scientific doesn't appear to know how to solve, started
with JAWS 17. Since I can't think of any new features introduced in 17
and 18 that are must haves, I wonder if I might be better off just going
back to JAWS 16.

Any thoughts?

Cheers!



On 12/8/2016 11:14 PM, Dave wrote:
> But I disagree with you. I have JAWS 15, 16, 17, and 18. IE11 works just
> fine with JAWS 15 and 16 (no delay in the find function), and JAWS 17 and 
> 18
> are the bad boys. So it's definitely something with the JAWS architecture
> from 17 onward. They made a significant change to JAWS in that version, as
> we all recall, since we were no longer able to merge from JAWS 16 to JAWS 
> 17
> due to that new paradigm. So it's definitely something they did to break
> JAWS 17, and continue to not fix, in JAWS 18.
>
> Dave
> Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kimsan Song" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 13:04
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and internet explorer 11 problem
>
>
> I have yet to install 18. I made my reply to simply state it's happening
> here with jaws 17, so I don't think it's a jaws issue.
>
> I think IE 11 just sucks and is the problem.
> Let's all convert to chrome.
> Respectfully,
>
> Kimsan Song
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 12:23 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and internet explorer 11 problem
>
> Kimsan,
>
> ...and does it not happen with JAWS 18?
>
> Dave
> Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kimsan Song" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 09:15
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and internet explorer 11 problem
>
>
> That happens with me using jaws 17.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Kimsan Song
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Dave
> Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 3:21 AM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and internet explorer 11 problem
>
> Yes. It is actually not crashing, but it is closing down and reloading. I
> also notice it is often very slow when I execute a JAWS find.
>
> Dave
> Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Fanus" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 02:49
> Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and internet explorer 11 problem
>
>
> Hello list
> Since the latest upgrade of jaws 18 it crashes 9 out of ten times when I
> open ie11 on my windows10 pc. Then I must wait until it restarts. I find 
> it
> to be less responsive in firefox. Do other listers also encounter this?
> Regards
> Fanus
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> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>
>
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>
>
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>
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>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft edge and jaws 18

[Joseph Lee]

Hi,
Unfortunately, using touch cursor is the most effective way to navigate Edge 
and other universal apps for now.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Kevin
Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 4:43 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft edge and jaws 18

don't like the touch features!

-Original Message-
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 10:47 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft edge and jaws 18

Hi,
To use Edge with JAWS, use of touch cursor is essential.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Kevin
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 3:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] microsoft edge and jaws 18

the broser is still in no way accessible I press tab and nothing happens I 
press the alt key and nothing happens the insert plus f7 f6 or f5 doesn’t work.
someone on this list or the windows 10 list said it is accessible I ask how!
Email is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
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Re: [JAWS-Users] can blind people create logos?

[zoe fiogkos]

Thank you so much I'll check it out and report back.
Regards
Zoe


by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus
said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the
faith. So many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only
hope is that it won't be too late..  


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: December 9, 2016 11:09 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] can blind people create logos?

Hi Zoe!

You might want to take a look at this, it is a program called Brush Tone 
that's supposed to be an accessible paint program for the visually 
impaired. I myself have never used it so I can't comment on how 
effective it is, I ran across it on an internet forum I used to frequent 
and saved it for future reference.

Here's the link to it's web site:
https://sysop-delco.itch.io/brushtone

hth

Cheers!




On 12/9/2016 9:15 AM, zoe fiogkos wrote:
> Hi all can blind people create logos using jaws and windows? Is there
> anything accessible to us for creating such a thing. I fooled around a
> little with word and paint but I could not figure it out. I need to create
a
> personal logo for a small home based business, do I need to inlist the
> services of a professional or can I do this my self?
> Any feedback would be appreciated.
> Regards
> Zoe
>
>
> by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus
> said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the
> faith. So many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My
only
> hope is that it won't be too late..
>
>
>
>
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> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Posting to this List

[David Ferrin]

I would also like to add on to what Rick has stated that this is becoming 
very tiresome to me, so much so that the parties in question will be removed 
if they continue their cross posting practices.


The fact is no matter who would try and cross post a message it would get 
held for approval.


That means who ever of the three of us gets to it first has to open and read 
the message from Mailman as to why the message is being moderated. Then the 
next step is to approve or deny it. This takes some time especially when a 
person sends out four or five messages all cross posted.


I read every message that comes across this list and some days that gets to 
be quite a task, but it is important to make sure things are going as they 
should. I don't mind that, it's just this extra work of always having to 
kick messages is got to stop.


We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

-Original Message- 
From: Moderator

Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 8:20 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Posting to this List

Recently we have encountered quite a few messages held for approval,
due to cross-posting.
If you are not seeing your messages post to the list, this may be the cause.
Please refer to the List Guidelines for the proper posting procedure.

Richard Q. Justice-list moderator
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com


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Re: [JAWS-Users] can blind people create logos?

[Gene Warner]

Hi Zoe!

You might want to take a look at this, it is a program called Brush Tone 
that's supposed to be an accessible paint program for the visually 
impaired. I myself have never used it so I can't comment on how 
effective it is, I ran across it on an internet forum I used to frequent 
and saved it for future reference.


Here's the link to it's web site:
https://sysop-delco.itch.io/brushtone

hth

Cheers!




On 12/9/2016 9:15 AM, zoe fiogkos wrote:

Hi all can blind people create logos using jaws and windows? Is there
anything accessible to us for creating such a thing. I fooled around a
little with word and paint but I could not figure it out. I need to create a
personal logo for a small home based business, do I need to inlist the
services of a professional or can I do this my self?
Any feedback would be appreciated.
Regards
Zoe


by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus
said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the
faith. So many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only
hope is that it won't be too late..




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[JAWS-Users] can blind people create logos?

[zoe fiogkos]

Hi all can blind people create logos using jaws and windows? Is there
anything accessible to us for creating such a thing. I fooled around a
little with word and paint but I could not figure it out. I need to create a
personal logo for a small home based business, do I need to inlist the
services of a professional or can I do this my self?
Any feedback would be appreciated.
Regards
Zoe


by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus
said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the
faith. So many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only
hope is that it won't be too late..  




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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and internet explorer 11 problem

[Kurt Miller]

I whole hartedly agree with you Dave.

After blindness and a double organ transplant, you can say I am as resilient
as rubber, anything you throw at me I am going to bounce back from!

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 11:14 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and internet explorer 11 problem

But I disagree with you. I have JAWS 15, 16, 17, and 18. IE11 works just
fine with JAWS 15 and 16 (no delay in the find function), and JAWS 17 and 18
are the bad boys. So it's definitely something with the JAWS architecture
from 17 onward. They made a significant change to JAWS in that version, as
we all recall, since we were no longer able to merge from JAWS 16 to JAWS 17
due to that new paradigm. So it's definitely something they did to break
JAWS 17, and continue to not fix, in JAWS 18.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Kimsan Song" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 13:04
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and internet explorer 11 problem


I have yet to install 18. I made my reply to simply state it's happening 
here with jaws 17, so I don't think it's a jaws issue.

I think IE 11 just sucks and is the problem.
Let's all convert to chrome.
Respectfully,

Kimsan Song

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 12:23 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and internet explorer 11 problem

Kimsan,

...and does it not happen with JAWS 18?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "Kimsan Song" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 09:15
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and internet explorer 11 problem


That happens with me using jaws 17.

Respectfully,

Kimsan Song

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 3:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and internet explorer 11 problem

Yes. It is actually not crashing, but it is closing down and reloading. I
also notice it is often very slow when I execute a JAWS find.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Fanus" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 02:49
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and internet explorer 11 problem


Hello list
Since the latest upgrade of jaws 18 it crashes 9 out of ten times when I
open ie11 on my windows10 pc. Then I must wait until it restarts. I find it
to be less responsive in firefox. Do other listers also encounter this?
Regards
Fanus
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and internet explorer 11 problem

[Gene Warner]

Hi

I too have JAWS 15 and later, as I lost my vision to glaucoma in 2012 
and was declared legally blind in 2013, soon after that I bought JAWS 15 
and have maintained an SMA ever since.


After reading your message about JAWS 15 and 16 versus JAWS 17 and 18, I 
realized the problems I've been struggling with between JAWS and IE11 
that Freedom Scientific doesn't appear to know how to solve, started 
with JAWS 17. Since I can't think of any new features introduced in 17 
and 18 that are must haves, I wonder if I might be better off just going 
back to JAWS 16.


Any thoughts?

Cheers!



On 12/8/2016 11:14 PM, Dave wrote:

But I disagree with you. I have JAWS 15, 16, 17, and 18. IE11 works just
fine with JAWS 15 and 16 (no delay in the find function), and JAWS 17 and 18
are the bad boys. So it's definitely something with the JAWS architecture
from 17 onward. They made a significant change to JAWS in that version, as
we all recall, since we were no longer able to merge from JAWS 16 to JAWS 17
due to that new paradigm. So it's definitely something they did to break
JAWS 17, and continue to not fix, in JAWS 18.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Kimsan Song" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 13:04
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and internet explorer 11 problem


I have yet to install 18. I made my reply to simply state it's happening
here with jaws 17, so I don't think it's a jaws issue.

I think IE 11 just sucks and is the problem.
Let's all convert to chrome.
Respectfully,

Kimsan Song

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 12:23 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and internet explorer 11 problem

Kimsan,

...and does it not happen with JAWS 18?

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Kimsan Song" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 09:15
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and internet explorer 11 problem


That happens with me using jaws 17.

Respectfully,

Kimsan Song

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 3:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and internet explorer 11 problem

Yes. It is actually not crashing, but it is closing down and reloading. I
also notice it is often very slow when I execute a JAWS find.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Fanus" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 02:49
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws 18 and internet explorer 11 problem


Hello list
Since the latest upgrade of jaws 18 it crashes 9 out of ten times when I
open ie11 on my windows10 pc. Then I must wait until it restarts. I find it
to be less responsive in firefox. Do other listers also encounter this?
Regards
Fanus
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[JAWS-Users] Posting to this List

[Moderator]

Recently we have encountered quite a few messages held for approval,
due to cross-posting.
If you are not seeing your messages post to the list, this may be the cause.
Please refer to the List Guidelines for the proper posting procedure.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft edge and jaws 18

[Kevin]

don't like the touch features!

-Original Message- 
From: Joseph Lee

Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 10:47 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] microsoft edge and jaws 18

Hi,
To use Edge with JAWS, use of touch cursor is essential.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Kevin

Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 3:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] microsoft edge and jaws 18

the broser is still in no way accessible I press tab and nothing happens I 
press the alt key and nothing happens the insert plus f7 f6 or f5 doesn’t 
work.

someone on this list or the windows 10 list said it is accessible I ask how!
Email is golden!!!
Kevin Lee
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