Re: [JAWS-Users] MLB and gameday audio

[richard kurlander]

you ill be taken there find the broadcast you want and log in call 
the accessibilitynumber and they will give you the correct link I 
have it set as a favorite. it will not work with ie unless you 
windows 8 or 10 if you are using windows you must use google chrome. 
At 06:59 PM 3/10/2018, you wrote:
I'm can not seem to locate I think it's called profiled logon or 
something like that on the MLB.com website. I'm trying to listen to 
the 2018 pre-season games. I keep getting redirected to MLB.TV it seems.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

[Dave...Oregonian]

Agree. Again well spoken.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 19:10
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs


Hi,
 I see. I did say, "part of this may have to do with ...", which leaves open
the possibility that it might not be apps at all, but rather JAWS alone.
Given one evidence here, I'd say let's gather more evidence before we
conclude for sure that it is JAWS. If folks running JAWS 16 and 17 on other
computers can replicate this, then we can move forward and say that
bisecting the code might be the next step (from VFO's side, as core code in
JAWS is closed source).
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
Dave...Oregonian
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 6:47 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

Joseph,

I must respectfully disagree with your point. Earlier versions of JAWS on
the same machine do not exhibit the same symptoms. It is clear to me that it
is the new design of JAWS from version 17 onward that is the root cause of
the freezing, hesitation, and slowdown. To wit -- why would VFO put an auto
restart routine into JAWS so that it can quietly crash and restart, when
things bog down? Why not simply fix the disease, and not the symptom?'

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph Lee" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 17:38
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs


Hi,
I think it is a bit early to blame assistive tech alone in this saga; part
of this may have to do with Windows and apps, as well as resource overload
and such.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
JOHN RIEHL
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 11:30 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

As Jaws users we shouldn't "have to  put up with it". I also experience this
freezing, both when switching between programs and when doing things in
Outlook. If the fact that Jaws uses a lot of Ram, particularly when
switching programs, I would hope that Jaws programmers and developers are
addressing this, particularly since there is only one other competitor to
Jaws on the market.
We should not have to put up with issues that affect our productivity,
particularly if the issues are caused by the assistive  technology we're
using to be productive!
  John   to
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of john_just...@verizon.net
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

Hello Mike,
John Justice, here.
I work for the state and use configurations which are similar to the ones
you describe.

In the interest of correcting the problem, I brought it to the attention of
our upper level Access group.  Their explanation doesn't solve any issues
but it might give you food for thought.

 1. THE ISSUE AT HAND:  apparently, what we are experiencing is the
assignment of RAM.  Current versions of Jaws tend to utilize a considerable
amount of RAM, especially when changing from one software environment to
another.  The result is that the system has to {wait} for enough RAM  to
perform the function.
2. PROGRAM PRIORITY ASSIGNMENT:  It is possible to assign certain programs
on a PC so that they have a priority when RAM is distributed. This is way
beyond my pay grade Mike but apparently, within reason, certain programs can
be allowed to operate at the expense of others, at least temporarily. There
are exceptions to this rule and certain pieces of software are assigned a
permanent top priority.  I imagine that the Windows operating system might
have that kind of assignment.
3.  According to our A. T. department, reassignment involves the division of
RAM  into smaller compartments which then handle this function.  The entire
process scares the heck out of me.  It isn't something I'd want to attempt.
There might be someone on our list with more technological knowledge than I
have.
4.  A WORKING SOLUTION:  I am now operating two computers simultaneously.
One is dedicated to some of the functions I need while the second unit
handles primary functions.  For example, I use the secondary unit to load
and display Excel spreadsheets.  But even with that arrangement, certain
pieces of software will temporarily shut down Jaws until they are fully
loaded.  The down time has been measured  and it is usually approximately32
seconds.
5.  CREATING HOTKEYS FOR RELOADING JAWS:  

Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

[joseph.lee22590]

Hi,
 I see. I did say, "part of this may have to do with ...", which leaves open
the possibility that it might not be apps at all, but rather JAWS alone.
Given one evidence here, I'd say let's gather more evidence before we
conclude for sure that it is JAWS. If folks running JAWS 16 and 17 on other
computers can replicate this, then we can move forward and say that
bisecting the code might be the next step (from VFO's side, as core code in
JAWS is closed source).
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
Dave...Oregonian
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 6:47 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

Joseph,

I must respectfully disagree with your point. Earlier versions of JAWS on
the same machine do not exhibit the same symptoms. It is clear to me that it
is the new design of JAWS from version 17 onward that is the root cause of
the freezing, hesitation, and slowdown. To wit -- why would VFO put an auto
restart routine into JAWS so that it can quietly crash and restart, when
things bog down? Why not simply fix the disease, and not the symptom?'

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph Lee" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 17:38
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs


Hi,
I think it is a bit early to blame assistive tech alone in this saga; part
of this may have to do with Windows and apps, as well as resource overload
and such.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
JOHN RIEHL
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 11:30 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

As Jaws users we shouldn't "have to  put up with it". I also experience this
freezing, both when switching between programs and when doing things in
Outlook. If the fact that Jaws uses a lot of Ram, particularly when
switching programs, I would hope that Jaws programmers and developers are
addressing this, particularly since there is only one other competitor to
Jaws on the market.
We should not have to put up with issues that affect our productivity,
particularly if the issues are caused by the assistive  technology we're
using to be productive!
  John   to
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of john_just...@verizon.net
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

Hello Mike,
John Justice, here.
I work for the state and use configurations which are similar to the ones
you describe.

In the interest of correcting the problem, I brought it to the attention of
our upper level Access group.  Their explanation doesn't solve any issues
but it might give you food for thought.

 1. THE ISSUE AT HAND:  apparently, what we are experiencing is the
assignment of RAM.  Current versions of Jaws tend to utilize a considerable
amount of RAM, especially when changing from one software environment to
another.  The result is that the system has to {wait} for enough RAM  to
perform the function.
2. PROGRAM PRIORITY ASSIGNMENT:  It is possible to assign certain programs
on a PC so that they have a priority when RAM is distributed. This is way
beyond my pay grade Mike but apparently, within reason, certain programs can
be allowed to operate at the expense of others, at least temporarily. There
are exceptions to this rule and certain pieces of software are assigned a
permanent top priority.  I imagine that the Windows operating system might
have that kind of assignment.
3.  According to our A. T. department, reassignment involves the division of
RAM  into smaller compartments which then handle this function.  The entire
process scares the heck out of me.  It isn't something I'd want to attempt.
There might be someone on our list with more technological knowledge than I
have.
4.  A WORKING SOLUTION:  I am now operating two computers simultaneously.
One is dedicated to some of the functions I need while the second unit
handles primary functions.  For example, I use the secondary unit to load
and display Excel spreadsheets.  But even with that arrangement, certain
pieces of software will temporarily shut down Jaws until they are fully
loaded.  The down time has been measured  and it is usually approximately32
seconds.
5.  CREATING HOTKEYS FOR RELOADING JAWS:  Finally, we have established
hotkeys which can be used to encourage Jaws to restart.  Occasionally,
though rarely, Jaws wil not restart after one of these incidents.  We use
three key combinations which are dedicated to reactivating Jaws.

The entire thing is frustrating to say the least, Mike.  But it's 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

[Dave...Oregonian]

Joseph,

I must respectfully disagree with your point. Earlier versions of JAWS on 
the same machine do not exhibit the same symptoms. It is clear to me that it 
is the new design of JAWS from version 17 onward that is the root cause of 
the freezing, hesitation, and slowdown. To wit -- why would VFO put an auto 
restart routine into JAWS so that it can quietly crash and restart, when 
things bog down? Why not simply fix the disease, and not the symptom?'

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph Lee" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 17:38
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs


Hi,
I think it is a bit early to blame assistive tech alone in this saga; part
of this may have to do with Windows and apps, as well as resource overload
and such.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
JOHN RIEHL
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 11:30 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

As Jaws users we shouldn't "have to  put up with it". I also experience this
freezing, both when switching between programs and when doing things in
Outlook. If the fact that Jaws uses a lot of Ram, particularly when
switching programs, I would hope that Jaws programmers and developers are
addressing this, particularly since there is only one other competitor to
Jaws on the market.
We should not have to put up with issues that affect our productivity,
particularly if the issues are caused by the assistive  technology we're
using to be productive!
  John   to
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of john_just...@verizon.net
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

Hello Mike,
John Justice, here.
I work for the state and use configurations which are similar to the ones
you describe.

In the interest of correcting the problem, I brought it to the attention of
our upper level Access group.  Their explanation doesn't solve any issues
but it might give you food for thought.

 1. THE ISSUE AT HAND:  apparently, what we are experiencing is the
assignment of RAM.  Current versions of Jaws tend to utilize a considerable
amount of RAM, especially when changing from one software environment to
another.  The result is that the system has to {wait} for enough RAM  to
perform the function.
2. PROGRAM PRIORITY ASSIGNMENT:  It is possible to assign certain programs
on a PC so that they have a priority when RAM is distributed. This is way
beyond my pay grade Mike but apparently, within reason, certain programs can
be allowed to operate at the expense of others, at least temporarily. There
are exceptions to this rule and certain pieces of software are assigned a
permanent top priority.  I imagine that the Windows operating system might
have that kind of assignment.
3.  According to our A. T. department, reassignment involves the division of
RAM  into smaller compartments which then handle this function.  The entire
process scares the heck out of me.  It isn't something I'd want to attempt.
There might be someone on our list with more technological knowledge than I
have.
4.  A WORKING SOLUTION:  I am now operating two computers simultaneously.
One is dedicated to some of the functions I need while the second unit
handles primary functions.  For example, I use the secondary unit to load
and display Excel spreadsheets.  But even with that arrangement, certain
pieces of software will temporarily shut down Jaws until they are fully
loaded.  The down time has been measured  and it is usually approximately32
seconds.
5.  CREATING HOTKEYS FOR RELOADING JAWS:  Finally, we have established
hotkeys which can be used to encourage Jaws to restart.  Occasionally,
though rarely, Jaws wil not restart after one of these incidents.  We use
three key combinations which are dedicated to reactivating Jaws.

The entire thing is frustrating to say the least, Mike.  But it's something
we just put up with since jaws performs so well in most other respects.


JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE
WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE
PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
Mike Mote
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 11:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

Good morning all!  I'm trying to help with one of our employees here at work
on an issue where JAWS freezes unexpectedly when switching from one window
to another using the Alt Tab key.  The issue is difficult to resolve because
it doesn't happen every time he switches windows.  It does happen two to

Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS and audible.com

[Jim Pursley]

Just hit the library link.  Ignore the pass through key.


On 3/10/2018 1:40 PM, Arianna Calesso wrote:

Is anyone having trouble using the audible.com site?  I just signed up to use 
audible but am having a problem accessing library.  I'm told to use pass key 
through but still can't get into the library.

Can anyone help?

Arianna
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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

[Joseph Lee]

Hi,
I think it is a bit early to blame assistive tech alone in this saga; part
of this may have to do with Windows and apps, as well as resource overload
and such.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
JOHN RIEHL
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 11:30 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

As Jaws users we shouldn't "have to  put up with it". I also experience this
freezing, both when switching between programs and when doing things in
Outlook. If the fact that Jaws uses a lot of Ram, particularly when
switching programs, I would hope that Jaws programmers and developers are
addressing this, particularly since there is only one other competitor to
Jaws on the market. 
We should not have to put up with issues that affect our productivity,
particularly if the issues are caused by the assistive  technology we're
using to be productive!
  John   to 
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of john_just...@verizon.net
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

Hello Mike,
John Justice, here.
I work for the state and use configurations which are similar to the ones
you describe.

In the interest of correcting the problem, I brought it to the attention of
our upper level Access group.  Their explanation doesn't solve any issues
but it might give you food for thought.

 1. THE ISSUE AT HAND:  apparently, what we are experiencing is the
assignment of RAM.  Current versions of Jaws tend to utilize a considerable
amount of RAM, especially when changing from one software environment to
another.  The result is that the system has to {wait} for enough RAM  to
perform the function.
2. PROGRAM PRIORITY ASSIGNMENT:  It is possible to assign certain programs
on a PC so that they have a priority when RAM is distributed. This is way
beyond my pay grade Mike but apparently, within reason, certain programs can
be allowed to operate at the expense of others, at least temporarily. There
are exceptions to this rule and certain pieces of software are assigned a
permanent top priority.  I imagine that the Windows operating system might
have that kind of assignment.
3.  According to our A. T. department, reassignment involves the division of
RAM  into smaller compartments which then handle this function.  The entire
process scares the heck out of me.  It isn't something I'd want to attempt.
There might be someone on our list with more technological knowledge than I
have.  
4.  A WORKING SOLUTION:  I am now operating two computers simultaneously.
One is dedicated to some of the functions I need while the second unit
handles primary functions.  For example, I use the secondary unit to load
and display Excel spreadsheets.  But even with that arrangement, certain
pieces of software will temporarily shut down Jaws until they are fully
loaded.  The down time has been measured  and it is usually approximately32
seconds.
5.  CREATING HOTKEYS FOR RELOADING JAWS:  Finally, we have established
hotkeys which can be used to encourage Jaws to restart.  Occasionally,
though rarely, Jaws wil not restart after one of these incidents.  We use
three key combinations which are dedicated to reactivating Jaws.  

The entire thing is frustrating to say the least, Mike.  But it's something
we just put up with since jaws performs so well in most other respects.
 

JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE
WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE
PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
Mike Mote
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 11:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

Good morning all!  I'm trying to help with one of our employees here at work
on an issue where JAWS freezes unexpectedly when switching from one window
to another using the Alt Tab key.  The issue is difficult to resolve because
it doesn't happen every time he switches windows.  It does happen two to
three times a day on average, and is hindering his efforts to perform his
job.  I have offered several solutions, but nothing has worked yet.  When
JAWS freezes, he has to wait some 30 seconds before speech comes back.  

I wanted to reach out to the list to see if any of you had any ideas as to
how I could minimize this behavior.  I would appreciate any feedback.
Thanks very much!

 

 

 

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Manager of Accessibility and Workforce Development, Human Resources

IFB Solutions

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

[JOHN RIEHL]

As Jaws users we shouldn't "have to  put up with it". I also experience this
freezing, both when switching between programs and when doing things in
Outlook. If the fact that Jaws uses a lot of Ram, particularly when
switching programs, I would hope that Jaws programmers and developers are
addressing this, particularly since there is only one other competitor to
Jaws on the market. 
We should not have to put up with issues that affect our productivity,
particularly if the issues are caused by the assistive  technology we're
using to be productive!
  John   to 
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of john_just...@verizon.net
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

Hello Mike,
John Justice, here.
I work for the state and use configurations which are similar to the ones
you describe.

In the interest of correcting the problem, I brought it to the attention of
our upper level Access group.  Their explanation doesn't solve any issues
but it might give you food for thought.

 1. THE ISSUE AT HAND:  apparently, what we are experiencing is the
assignment of RAM.  Current versions of Jaws tend to utilize a considerable
amount of RAM, especially when changing from one software environment to
another.  The result is that the system has to {wait} for enough RAM  to
perform the function.
2. PROGRAM PRIORITY ASSIGNMENT:  It is possible to assign certain programs
on a PC so that they have a priority when RAM is distributed. This is way
beyond my pay grade Mike but apparently, within reason, certain programs can
be allowed to operate at the expense of others, at least temporarily. There
are exceptions to this rule and certain pieces of software are assigned a
permanent top priority.  I imagine that the Windows operating system might
have that kind of assignment.
3.  According to our A. T. department, reassignment involves the division of
RAM  into smaller compartments which then handle this function.  The entire
process scares the heck out of me.  It isn't something I'd want to attempt.
There might be someone on our list with more technological knowledge than I
have.  
4.  A WORKING SOLUTION:  I am now operating two computers simultaneously.
One is dedicated to some of the functions I need while the second unit
handles primary functions.  For example, I use the secondary unit to load
and display Excel spreadsheets.  But even with that arrangement, certain
pieces of software will temporarily shut down Jaws until they are fully
loaded.  The down time has been measured  and it is usually approximately32
seconds.
5.  CREATING HOTKEYS FOR RELOADING JAWS:  Finally, we have established
hotkeys which can be used to encourage Jaws to restart.  Occasionally,
though rarely, Jaws wil not restart after one of these incidents.  We use
three key combinations which are dedicated to reactivating Jaws.  

The entire thing is frustrating to say the least, Mike.  But it's something
we just put up with since jaws performs so well in most other respects.
 

JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE
WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE
PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
Mike Mote
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 11:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

Good morning all!  I'm trying to help with one of our employees here at work
on an issue where JAWS freezes unexpectedly when switching from one window
to another using the Alt Tab key.  The issue is difficult to resolve because
it doesn't happen every time he switches windows.  It does happen two to
three times a day on average, and is hindering his efforts to perform his
job.  I have offered several solutions, but nothing has worked yet.  When
JAWS freezes, he has to wait some 30 seconds before speech comes back.  

I wanted to reach out to the list to see if any of you had any ideas as to
how I could minimize this behavior.  I would appreciate any feedback.
Thanks very much!

 

 

 

Mike Mote 

Manager of Accessibility and Workforce Development, Human Resources

IFB Solutions

Our Vision is Working - see more at  
www.ifbsolutions.org 

Email   mm...@ifbsolutions.org

Work Phone (336) 245-5650

Mobile Phone (336) 793-6006

Shipping:  7730 North Point Dr

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[JAWS-Users] MLB and gameday audio

[leonard morris]

I'm can not seem to locate I think it's called profiled logon or 
something like that on the MLB.com website. I'm trying to listen to the 
2018 pre-season games. I keep getting redirected to MLB.TV it seems.


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws and conversations

[Fernando Gregoire]

Hi Teresa,

Congratulations for your new job.
If your only concern is other people listening your JAWS via Skype or other 
VoIP programs, nobody via these programs will hear your JAWS if you are hearing 
it from the headsets.
If your particular headsets are recognized in Windows as another sound cards 
which is not set as the default one, you can send JAWS output to the headsets 
by going to the JAWS menu or window (INSERT+J), Utilities, Sound Cards and 
there selecting the item corresponding to the headsets.

Hope it helps!

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of 
Teresa Arroyo Llosa
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 4:40 PM
To: Jaws Users List 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws and conversations

Hello all,

Windows 8.1 Jaws 16.

I am starting a niew job were I have to talk with others though skype or other 
means. My questions is, while I am having a conversation using a headset, what 
can I do so that the other person doesn’t listen to jaws< only myself. Can this 
be done?

I am starting work next monday.

Thank you in advance.

Best regards,

Teresa Arroyo Llosa

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws and conversations

[leonard morris]

 In the interim before you are able to get the new headset or have your 
I.T section division  reconfigure whatever needs to be done perhaps if 
all you're doing is talking back-and-forth couldn't you silence jaws 
with the keystroke insert spacebar S? Just a thought.
On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 4:42 AM Mike B. > wrote:


   Hi Teresa,

   Plantronics used to make a dual channel headset that you would hear Jaws
   through one ear, & the person you're talking to from the other ear. 
   You can
   call this place, Headset Direct at this phone#: 1-800-914-7996.  Or
   check
   out their website here:

   https://www.headsetsdirect.com/

   Or,

   https://www.headsetsdirect.com/hw261n-dc-supraplus-dual-channel.html

   I would talk to them, and explain to them exactly what you need, to
   insure
   you're purchasing the correct headset.

   Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
   Sennt from my iBarstool.
   Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement. 
   In the
   end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
   - Original Message -
   From: Teresa Arroyo Llosa
   To: Jaws Users List
   Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 11:39 AM
   Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws and conversations


   Hello all,

   Windows 8.1 Jaws 16.

   I am starting a niew job were I have to talk with others though skype or
   other means. My questions is, while I am having a conversation using a
   headset, what can I do so that the other person doesn’t listen to
   jaws< only
   myself. Can this be done?

   I am starting work next monday.

   Thank you in advance.

   Best regards,

   Teresa Arroyo Llosa

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

[JOHN RIEHL]

That's certainly the case for me at work, where this problem also occurs.
Both my home and work computers are using Windows-7, 64-bit machines. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 3:40 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

I've noticed this issue of JFW becoming more sluggish after a period of
time, too. Specifically, sometimes I will leave my PC on over-night. When I
come back to it in the morning, even using something like file explorer
seems like a chore for the computer/JAWS. I restart, and it's as good as
new, so to speak. I feel that I shouldn't have to do this. I may not be one
of them but there are people and organisations who have to keep their
systems running for long stretches of time as a matter of course.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave...Oregonian
Sent: March 10, 2018 3:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

Steve,

Might be, but as you say, 4 G of RAM is pretty massive. I agree that coding
is more likely the issue, since the real slowdown problems happened after
JAWS 16, when they changed "under the hood" operation. I still think JAWS is
subject to memory crowding either because of itself, or because it is using
memory areas that it did not use in the past. Most of my complaint have been
due to JAWS getting less responsive the longer it runs. After a clean
restart, it seems to get more responsive again, until it starts to slow
later.

I'll let folks know if I am more satisfied with jfw.exe set to high
priority.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Steve" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 12:00
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs


Dave,

One of your issues might be 32-bit OS.  That limits you as to your memory
usage which I think tops out at only 4Gigs in a 32-bit system.

- Original Message -
From: "Dave...Oregonian" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs


> John,
>
> Interesting...One thing I can do (and have just done) is to increase the
> priority of the JFW process. I'm going to try running my system this way
> for
> a while to see if anything improves.
>
> My system is a Dell laptop with Windows 7 Pro 32-bit, dual core processor.
> I'm running the latest build of JAWS 2018.
>
> What I did was to launch the Windows Task Manager  (Ctrl+Shift+Escape) and
> Ctrl+Tab to the processes list. I arrowed down to jfw.exe and opened the
> context menu. From there I selected the "set priority" menu and
> right-arrow
> to open. JFW was set to run as normal, and I've changed it to high, waited
> a
> bit, and then selected the set priority button after the cautionary
> warning.
> Close Windows Task Manager with Escape.
>
> Now let's see if JAWS behaves better with this setting. If it does, I'd
> sure
> like to know how to have it permanently set to high priority, as I suspect
> it will default to normal after a restart.
>
> Dave
> Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 07:16
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs
>
>
> Hello Mike,
> John Justice, here.
> I work for the state and use configurations which are similar to the ones
> you describe.
>
> In the interest of correcting the problem, I brought it to the attention
> of
> our upper level Access group.  Their explanation doesn't solve any issues
> but it might give you food for thought.
>
> 1. THE ISSUE AT HAND:  apparently, what we are experiencing is the
> assignment of RAM.  Current versions of Jaws tend to utilize a
> considerable
> amount of RAM, especially when changing from one software environment to
> another.  The result is that the system has to {wait} for enough RAM  to
> perform the function.
> 2. PROGRAM PRIORITY ASSIGNMENT:  It is possible to assign certain programs
> on a PC so that they have a priority when RAM is distributed. This is way
> beyond my pay grade Mike but apparently, within reason, certain programs
> can
> be allowed to operate at the expense of others, at least temporarily.
> There
> are exceptions to this rule and certain pieces of software are assigned a
> permanent top priority.  I imagine that the Windows operating system might
> have that kind of assignment.
> 3.  According to our A. T. department, reassignment involves the division
> of
> RAM  into smaller compartments which then 

Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

[Dave...Oregonian]

Joseph,

You wrote:

"As for JAWS becoming less responsive as time goes on: there might be
numerous contributing factors. One possible factor is possible memory leak
or lax resource accountability in one or more threads. If JAWS keeps eating
something but fails to release things it no longer needs, it may lead to
slower responsiveness. One way to look at it is memory usage for jfw.exe -
if you use JAWS for hours and it appears memory usage by the screen reader
process keeps increasing, chances are that there's a more serious resource
management problem in screen reader code, especially in one or more modules
responsible for keeping track of various info such as accessibility state,
display handling and what not. "

A very elegant description of what I have been suspecting for a long time, 
and what I simply called a memory leak. Appreciate your detailed 
description. All we can hope is that VFO pays attention to these concerns 
and adjusts their code appropriately.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph Lee" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 14:21
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs


Hi,
Thread priority has to do with letting processors run a specific thread for
a while despite requests from other threads to run. A good analogy is
priority boarding at airports where those booked the first class cabin are
boarded before others.
In operating system design and architecture, a process may contain multiple
threads. Here, a process refers to a container of program code, data needed
by a program, resources being used, as well as other state information an
operating system uses to keep track of things such as if the process is
ready to run, ready to die, and other information. One of the information
tracked by operating systems (more specifically, operating system kernels)
is how many threads are inside a given process and what priority levels they
are assigned to, and each process requires at least one thread to run. On
Windows (more specifically, Windows NT), a process may contain more than one
thread, especially if they are GUI applications such as JAWS (jfw.exe), with
each thread responsible for running either the main code, hold a window
ready for user interaction, spawn by other threads and what not.
As for increasing thread priority and resulting responsiveness, I doubt that
would solve the overall problem. Although it'll let Windows allocate more
running time to threads inside JAWS process, it is a partial solution. In
order for a screen reader to stay responsive, it must make sure it gets
whatever it needs from apps on time, otherwise it'll get stuck trying to
obtain useful data for you. This is more so if there are many threads
competing for processor resources (because processor time is a precious
resource when looking inside silicon), hence possibly contributing to slower
responsiveness, not the other way around as an idealist would say. And no,
it isn't just JAWS that gets stuck - the program you are using may appear to
slow down, as well as other actors such as accessibility API bridge
libraries, other tasks and what not, hence my thinking that increasing
thread priority for JAWS isn't a good solution that'll work in the long
term.
As for JAWS becoming less responsive as time goes on: there might be
numerous contributing factors. One possible factor is possible memory leak
or lax resource accountability in one or more threads. If JAWS keeps eating
something but fails to release things it no longer needs, it may lead to
slower responsiveness. One way to look at it is memory usage for jfw.exe -
if you use JAWS for hours and it appears memory usage by the screen reader
process keeps increasing, chances are that there's a more serious resource
management problem in screen reader code, especially in one or more modules
responsible for keeping track of various info such as accessibility state,
display handling and what not. Also, when it comes to accessibility API
handling, not all API's offer ways to make screen readers (or clients) stay
responsive - one good example is UIA and resource starvation problem
observed not only by JAWS users on Windows 10, but also by users of another
screen reader, usually caused by one thread trying to handle a flood of
accessibility events or the API bridge (in this case, UIAutomationCore.dll)
getting stuck somehow.
So what is a solution to this problem? We don't know yet, as it may involve
collaborative effort between Microsoft, VFO, app vendors and users.
If anyone is curious about how UIA internally works or have questions about
UIA and resource starvation problem, or want more explanation regarding
accessibility API's (complete with source code), write to me offlist.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
JM Casey
Sent: 

Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

[Joseph Lee]

Hi,
Thread priority has to do with letting processors run a specific thread for
a while despite requests from other threads to run. A good analogy is
priority boarding at airports where those booked the first class cabin are
boarded before others.
In operating system design and architecture, a process may contain multiple
threads. Here, a process refers to a container of program code, data needed
by a program, resources being used, as well as other state information an
operating system uses to keep track of things such as if the process is
ready to run, ready to die, and other information. One of the information
tracked by operating systems (more specifically, operating system kernels)
is how many threads are inside a given process and what priority levels they
are assigned to, and each process requires at least one thread to run. On
Windows (more specifically, Windows NT), a process may contain more than one
thread, especially if they are GUI applications such as JAWS (jfw.exe), with
each thread responsible for running either the main code, hold a window
ready for user interaction, spawn by other threads and what not.
As for increasing thread priority and resulting responsiveness, I doubt that
would solve the overall problem. Although it'll let Windows allocate more
running time to threads inside JAWS process, it is a partial solution. In
order for a screen reader to stay responsive, it must make sure it gets
whatever it needs from apps on time, otherwise it'll get stuck trying to
obtain useful data for you. This is more so if there are many threads
competing for processor resources (because processor time is a precious
resource when looking inside silicon), hence possibly contributing to slower
responsiveness, not the other way around as an idealist would say. And no,
it isn't just JAWS that gets stuck - the program you are using may appear to
slow down, as well as other actors such as accessibility API bridge
libraries, other tasks and what not, hence my thinking that increasing
thread priority for JAWS isn't a good solution that'll work in the long
term.
As for JAWS becoming less responsive as time goes on: there might be
numerous contributing factors. One possible factor is possible memory leak
or lax resource accountability in one or more threads. If JAWS keeps eating
something but fails to release things it no longer needs, it may lead to
slower responsiveness. One way to look at it is memory usage for jfw.exe -
if you use JAWS for hours and it appears memory usage by the screen reader
process keeps increasing, chances are that there's a more serious resource
management problem in screen reader code, especially in one or more modules
responsible for keeping track of various info such as accessibility state,
display handling and what not. Also, when it comes to accessibility API
handling, not all API's offer ways to make screen readers (or clients) stay
responsive - one good example is UIA and resource starvation problem
observed not only by JAWS users on Windows 10, but also by users of another
screen reader, usually caused by one thread trying to handle a flood of
accessibility events or the API bridge (in this case, UIAutomationCore.dll)
getting stuck somehow.
So what is a solution to this problem? We don't know yet, as it may involve
collaborative effort between Microsoft, VFO, app vendors and users.
If anyone is curious about how UIA internally works or have questions about
UIA and resource starvation problem, or want more explanation regarding
accessibility API's (complete with source code), write to me offlist.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 12:24 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

That's most interesting, and mostly makes sense.

No. 3 is automated by the oS and not generally something anyone has to worry
about. It should be possible to give JAWS a higher priority in the system
merely through task manager or process explorer. I want to read up on this
more though as I'm not 100% sure exactly what thread priority assignment
does.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of john_just...@verizon.net
Sent: March 10, 2018 10:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

Hello Mike,
John Justice, here.
I work for the state and use configurations which are similar to the ones
you describe.

In the interest of correcting the problem, I brought it to the attention of
our upper level Access group.  Their explanation doesn't solve any issues
but it might give you food for thought.

 1. THE ISSUE AT HAND:  apparently, what we are experiencing is the
assignment of RAM.  Current versions of Jaws tend to utilize a considerable
amount of RAM, especially when changing from 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws and conversations

[Mike B.]

Hi Teresa,

Plantronics used to make a dual channel headset that you would hear Jaws 
through one ear, & the person you're talking to from the other ear.  You can 
call this place, Headset Direct at this phone#: 1-800-914-7996.  Or check 
out their website here:

https://www.headsetsdirect.com/

Or,

https://www.headsetsdirect.com/hw261n-dc-supraplus-dual-channel.html

I would talk to them, and explain to them exactly what you need, to insure 
you're purchasing the correct headset.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message - 
From: Teresa Arroyo Llosa
To: Jaws Users List
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 11:39 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws and conversations


Hello all,

Windows 8.1 Jaws 16.

I am starting a niew job were I have to talk with others though skype or 
other means. My questions is, while I am having a conversation using a 
headset, what can I do so that the other person doesn’t listen to jaws< only 
myself. Can this be done?

I am starting work next monday.

Thank you in advance.

Best regards,

Teresa Arroyo Llosa

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Fusion Question about resolution

[Brian Lee]

Hello Loy,

The recommendation in the Fusion help is to always set a monitor at its
native resolution.  When you go into the display settings for your system
the recommended resolution is given.  I am pasting the information shown in
the Fusion help below.  You can get to your Windows display settings through
the control panel.  In Windows 10 you can press Windows key I for settings,
choose System and then choose Display.  One of the resolution settings will
show as being recommended.  Although the following info is for when using
multiple monitors, the Help information states that the same applies to when
a person is using a single monitor.   

"Display resolutions
For the clearest magnified views, we recommend always setting the screen
resolution for each monitor to its native resolution. Running monitors in
non-native resolutions degrades the image quality that appears in a normal
view, which is further degraded when magnified. Note: This recommendation
also applies when only using one monitor".  

Take care.

Brian Lee
brianl...@charter.net

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Loy Green
Sent: March 10, 2018 10:23 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Fusion Question about resolution

Each time I start Fusion or ZT.  The system profiler says System not set to
recommended resolution. I have looked in help to see what the recommended
resolution is, but haven't been able to find it. Anyone know what the
recommended resolution is?
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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

[JM Casey]

I've noticed this issue of JFW becoming more sluggish after a period of
time, too. Specifically, sometimes I will leave my PC on over-night. When I
come back to it in the morning, even using something like file explorer
seems like a chore for the computer/JAWS. I restart, and it's as good as
new, so to speak. I feel that I shouldn't have to do this. I may not be one
of them but there are people and organisations who have to keep their
systems running for long stretches of time as a matter of course.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave...Oregonian
Sent: March 10, 2018 3:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

Steve,

Might be, but as you say, 4 G of RAM is pretty massive. I agree that coding
is more likely the issue, since the real slowdown problems happened after
JAWS 16, when they changed "under the hood" operation. I still think JAWS is
subject to memory crowding either because of itself, or because it is using
memory areas that it did not use in the past. Most of my complaint have been
due to JAWS getting less responsive the longer it runs. After a clean
restart, it seems to get more responsive again, until it starts to slow
later.

I'll let folks know if I am more satisfied with jfw.exe set to high
priority.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: "Steve" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 12:00
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs


Dave,

One of your issues might be 32-bit OS.  That limits you as to your memory
usage which I think tops out at only 4Gigs in a 32-bit system.

- Original Message - 
From: "Dave...Oregonian" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs


> John,
>
> Interesting...One thing I can do (and have just done) is to increase the
> priority of the JFW process. I'm going to try running my system this way
> for
> a while to see if anything improves.
>
> My system is a Dell laptop with Windows 7 Pro 32-bit, dual core processor.
> I'm running the latest build of JAWS 2018.
>
> What I did was to launch the Windows Task Manager  (Ctrl+Shift+Escape) and
> Ctrl+Tab to the processes list. I arrowed down to jfw.exe and opened the
> context menu. From there I selected the "set priority" menu and
> right-arrow
> to open. JFW was set to run as normal, and I've changed it to high, waited
> a
> bit, and then selected the set priority button after the cautionary
> warning.
> Close Windows Task Manager with Escape.
>
> Now let's see if JAWS behaves better with this setting. If it does, I'd
> sure
> like to know how to have it permanently set to high priority, as I suspect
> it will default to normal after a restart.
>
> Dave
> Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 07:16
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs
>
>
> Hello Mike,
> John Justice, here.
> I work for the state and use configurations which are similar to the ones
> you describe.
>
> In the interest of correcting the problem, I brought it to the attention
> of
> our upper level Access group.  Their explanation doesn't solve any issues
> but it might give you food for thought.
>
> 1. THE ISSUE AT HAND:  apparently, what we are experiencing is the
> assignment of RAM.  Current versions of Jaws tend to utilize a
> considerable
> amount of RAM, especially when changing from one software environment to
> another.  The result is that the system has to {wait} for enough RAM  to
> perform the function.
> 2. PROGRAM PRIORITY ASSIGNMENT:  It is possible to assign certain programs
> on a PC so that they have a priority when RAM is distributed. This is way
> beyond my pay grade Mike but apparently, within reason, certain programs
> can
> be allowed to operate at the expense of others, at least temporarily.
> There
> are exceptions to this rule and certain pieces of software are assigned a
> permanent top priority.  I imagine that the Windows operating system might
> have that kind of assignment.
> 3.  According to our A. T. department, reassignment involves the division
> of
> RAM  into smaller compartments which then handle this function.  The
> entire
> process scares the heck out of me.  It isn't something I'd want to
> attempt.
> There might be someone on our list with more technological knowledge than
> I
> have.
> 4.  A WORKING SOLUTION:  I am now operating two computers simultaneously.
> One is dedicated to some of the functions I need while the second unit
> handles primary functions.  For example, I use the 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws and conversations

[Mike B.]

Hi Teresa,

Plantronics used to make a dual channel headset that you would hear Jaws 
through one ear, & the person you're talking to from the other ear.  You can 
call this place, Headset Direct at this phone#: 1-800-914-7996.  Or check 
out their website here:

https://www.headsetsdirect.com/

Or,

https://www.headsetsdirect.com/hw261n-dc-supraplus-dual-channel.html

I would talk to them, and explain to them exactly what you need, to insure 
you're purchasing the correct headset.


- Original Message - 
From: Teresa Arroyo
To: Jaws users list
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws and conversations


Thank you for your response .

Does this. Mean that i would have to buy another sound card?
Teresa arroyo llosa

On 10 Mar 2018 3:56 pm, "Steve"  wrote:

First, good luck, particularly now since the newer versions of Skype aren't
as accessible.

To answer your question, you will probably need to run Jaws on a separate
soundcard or USB soundcard and Skype off the other soundcard, using
headphones with a splitter cable so you can put one channel on Skype and
the other channel on the Jaws screen-reader.

Steve
Lansing, Mi

- Original Message - From: "Teresa Arroyo Llosa" <
tarroyoll...@gmail.com>
To: "Jaws Users List" 
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 2:39 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws and conversations


Hello all,
>
> Windows 8.1 Jaws 16.
>
> I am starting a niew job were I have to talk with others though skype or
> other means. My questions is, while I am having a conversation using a
> headset, what can I do so that the other person doesn’t listen to jaws<
> only myself. Can this be done?
>
> I am starting work next monday.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Teresa Arroyo Llosa
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

[George Martinez Sr.]

Mike & all,
I am using a 64bit system with 8gb.
Back in the good old days there was such a thing as "RAM managers" and in
some applications they did help, especially in clearing RAM of programs that
had shut down.
Is there still such an animal that might help with this JAWS & other issues?

George A. Martinez, CPA
O-602.368.8854
F-206.666.2589
C-602.368.5424
"I've learnedThat everyone wants to live on top of the mountain, but all
the happiness and growth occurs while you're climbing it." attributed to
Andy Rooney

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
Dave...Oregonian
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 1:06 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

Steve,

Might be, but as you say, 4 G of RAM is pretty massive. I agree that coding 
is more likely the issue, since the real slowdown problems happened after 
JAWS 16, when they changed "under the hood" operation. I still think JAWS is

subject to memory crowding either because of itself, or because it is using 
memory areas that it did not use in the past. Most of my complaint have been

due to JAWS getting less responsive the longer it runs. After a clean 
restart, it seems to get more responsive again, until it starts to slow 
later.

I'll let folks know if I am more satisfied with jfw.exe set to high 
priority.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "Steve" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 12:00
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs


Dave,

One of your issues might be 32-bit OS.  That limits you as to your memory
usage which I think tops out at only 4Gigs in a 32-bit system.

- Original Message - 
From: "Dave...Oregonian" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs


> John,
>
> Interesting...One thing I can do (and have just done) is to increase the
> priority of the JFW process. I'm going to try running my system this way
> for
> a while to see if anything improves.
>
> My system is a Dell laptop with Windows 7 Pro 32-bit, dual core processor.
> I'm running the latest build of JAWS 2018.
>
> What I did was to launch the Windows Task Manager  (Ctrl+Shift+Escape) and
> Ctrl+Tab to the processes list. I arrowed down to jfw.exe and opened the
> context menu. From there I selected the "set priority" menu and
> right-arrow
> to open. JFW was set to run as normal, and I've changed it to high, waited
> a
> bit, and then selected the set priority button after the cautionary
> warning.
> Close Windows Task Manager with Escape.
>
> Now let's see if JAWS behaves better with this setting. If it does, I'd
> sure
> like to know how to have it permanently set to high priority, as I suspect
> it will default to normal after a restart.
>
> Dave
> Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 07:16
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs
>
>
> Hello Mike,
> John Justice, here.
> I work for the state and use configurations which are similar to the ones
> you describe.
>
> In the interest of correcting the problem, I brought it to the attention
> of
> our upper level Access group.  Their explanation doesn't solve any issues
> but it might give you food for thought.
>
> 1. THE ISSUE AT HAND:  apparently, what we are experiencing is the
> assignment of RAM.  Current versions of Jaws tend to utilize a
> considerable
> amount of RAM, especially when changing from one software environment to
> another.  The result is that the system has to {wait} for enough RAM  to
> perform the function.
> 2. PROGRAM PRIORITY ASSIGNMENT:  It is possible to assign certain programs
> on a PC so that they have a priority when RAM is distributed. This is way
> beyond my pay grade Mike but apparently, within reason, certain programs
> can
> be allowed to operate at the expense of others, at least temporarily.
> There
> are exceptions to this rule and certain pieces of software are assigned a
> permanent top priority.  I imagine that the Windows operating system might
> have that kind of assignment.
> 3.  According to our A. T. department, reassignment involves the division
> of
> RAM  into smaller compartments which then handle this function.  The
> entire
> process scares the heck out of me.  It isn't something I'd want to
> attempt.
> There might be someone on our list with more technological knowledge than
> I
> have.
> 4.  A WORKING SOLUTION:  I am now operating two computers simultaneously.
> One is dedicated to some of the functions I need while the second unit
> handles primary functions.  For 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws and conversations

[Teresa Arroyo]

Thank you for your response .

Does this. Mean that i would have to buy another sound card?
Teresa arroyo llosa

On 10 Mar 2018 3:56 pm, "Steve"  wrote:

First, good luck, particularly now since the newer versions of Skype aren't
as accessible.

To answer your question, you will probably need to run Jaws on a separate
soundcard or USB soundcard and Skype off the other soundcard, using
headphones with a splitter cable so you can put one channel on Skype and
the other channel on the Jaws screen-reader.

Steve
Lansing, Mi

- Original Message - From: "Teresa Arroyo Llosa" <
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To: "Jaws Users List" 
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 2:39 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws and conversations


Hello all,
>
> Windows 8.1 Jaws 16.
>
> I am starting a niew job were I have to talk with others though skype or
> other means. My questions is, while I am having a conversation using a
> headset, what can I do so that the other person doesn’t listen to jaws<
> only myself. Can this be done?
>
> I am starting work next monday.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Teresa Arroyo Llosa
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

[JM Casey]

That's most interesting, and mostly makes sense.

No. 3 is automated by the oS and not generally something anyone has to worry
about. It should be possible to give JAWS a higher priority in the system
merely through task manager or process explorer. I want to read up on this
more though as I'm not 100% sure exactly what thread priority assignment
does.



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of john_just...@verizon.net
Sent: March 10, 2018 10:17 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

Hello Mike,
John Justice, here.
I work for the state and use configurations which are similar to the ones
you describe.

In the interest of correcting the problem, I brought it to the attention of
our upper level Access group.  Their explanation doesn't solve any issues
but it might give you food for thought.

 1. THE ISSUE AT HAND:  apparently, what we are experiencing is the
assignment of RAM.  Current versions of Jaws tend to utilize a considerable
amount of RAM, especially when changing from one software environment to
another.  The result is that the system has to {wait} for enough RAM  to
perform the function.
2. PROGRAM PRIORITY ASSIGNMENT:  It is possible to assign certain programs
on a PC so that they have a priority when RAM is distributed. This is way
beyond my pay grade Mike but apparently, within reason, certain programs can
be allowed to operate at the expense of others, at least temporarily. There
are exceptions to this rule and certain pieces of software are assigned a
permanent top priority.  I imagine that the Windows operating system might
have that kind of assignment.
3.  According to our A. T. department, reassignment involves the division of
RAM  into smaller compartments which then handle this function.  The entire
process scares the heck out of me.  It isn't something I'd want to attempt.
There might be someone on our list with more technological knowledge than I
have.  
4.  A WORKING SOLUTION:  I am now operating two computers simultaneously.
One is dedicated to some of the functions I need while the second unit
handles primary functions.  For example, I use the secondary unit to load
and display Excel spreadsheets.  But even with that arrangement, certain
pieces of software will temporarily shut down Jaws until they are fully
loaded.  The down time has been measured  and it is usually approximately32
seconds.
5.  CREATING HOTKEYS FOR RELOADING JAWS:  Finally, we have established
hotkeys which can be used to encourage Jaws to restart.  Occasionally,
though rarely, Jaws wil not restart after one of these incidents.  We use
three key combinations which are dedicated to reactivating Jaws.  

The entire thing is frustrating to say the least, Mike.  But it's something
we just put up with since jaws performs so well in most other respects.
 

JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE
WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE
PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
Mike Mote
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 11:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

Good morning all!  I'm trying to help with one of our employees here at work
on an issue where JAWS freezes unexpectedly when switching from one window
to another using the Alt Tab key.  The issue is difficult to resolve because
it doesn't happen every time he switches windows.  It does happen two to
three times a day on average, and is hindering his efforts to perform his
job.  I have offered several solutions, but nothing has worked yet.  When
JAWS freezes, he has to wait some 30 seconds before speech comes back.  

I wanted to reach out to the list to see if any of you had any ideas as to
how I could minimize this behavior.  I would appreciate any feedback.
Thanks very much!

 

 

 

Mike Mote 

Manager of Accessibility and Workforce Development, Human Resources

IFB Solutions

Our Vision is Working - see more at  
www.ifbsolutions.org 

Email   mm...@ifbsolutions.org

Work Phone (336) 245-5650

Mobile Phone (336) 793-6006

Shipping:  7730 North Point Dr

Winston-Salem, NC 27106

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS and audible.com

[JOHN RIEHL]

I don't know if this will help, but I've noticed that now, after you select
library, you have to choose between my books" and "wish list" (or "my
orders; I can't forget). If you press enter on My Books that should bring up
the list of books in your library. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Arianna Calesso
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 11:41 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS and audible.com

Is anyone having trouble using the audible.com site?  I just signed up to
use audible but am having a problem accessing library.  I'm told to use pass
key through but still can't get into the library.  

Can anyone help?

Arianna
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Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018?

[JM Casey]

I have JAWS 18. I have no more upgrades available on my ILM. So, it's either 
fork out, too, or stick with what Iv'e got, which is mostly working well on my 
Windows 10/64 machine. When it doesn't, I use NVDA, which is very stable and 
good; just doesn't always work as well with certain things.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Kevin Lee
Sent: March 10, 2018 10:41 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018?

You’d be better if you sticked to 18.  There isn’t much difference.  The only 
reason I’m using 2018 is because I didn’t pay for an SMA for 2018, I’m a client 
of the Equipments department of Washington state and they payed for my SMA.

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

From: john_just...@verizon.net
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 7:25 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018?

Hi group,

I am now using Jaws 18 in its latest configuration.  I just priced out the 
upgrade to Jaws 2018 and it will cost me $400 including the SMA.  Before I make 
that kind of investment, I'd appreciate it if someone would tell me
whether Jaws 2018 is worth the investment.  I'm happy with jaws 18.   I
would have no objection to upgrading if someone can give me good reasons for 
that change.  I have been studying the messages on our list and to tell you the 
truth, what I'm hearing is somewhat discouraging.  Many people are having 
issues with 2018.  However, I'd be willing to bet that the same thing happened 
when Jaws 18 was introduced.  There is always a time where people
have to adjust to new technology or software.   

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

[Dave...Oregonian]

Steve,

Might be, but as you say, 4 G of RAM is pretty massive. I agree that coding 
is more likely the issue, since the real slowdown problems happened after 
JAWS 16, when they changed "under the hood" operation. I still think JAWS is 
subject to memory crowding either because of itself, or because it is using 
memory areas that it did not use in the past. Most of my complaint have been 
due to JAWS getting less responsive the longer it runs. After a clean 
restart, it seems to get more responsive again, until it starts to slow 
later.

I'll let folks know if I am more satisfied with jfw.exe set to high 
priority.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: "Steve" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 12:00
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs


Dave,

One of your issues might be 32-bit OS.  That limits you as to your memory
usage which I think tops out at only 4Gigs in a 32-bit system.

- Original Message - 
From: "Dave...Oregonian" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs


> John,
>
> Interesting...One thing I can do (and have just done) is to increase the
> priority of the JFW process. I'm going to try running my system this way
> for
> a while to see if anything improves.
>
> My system is a Dell laptop with Windows 7 Pro 32-bit, dual core processor.
> I'm running the latest build of JAWS 2018.
>
> What I did was to launch the Windows Task Manager  (Ctrl+Shift+Escape) and
> Ctrl+Tab to the processes list. I arrowed down to jfw.exe and opened the
> context menu. From there I selected the "set priority" menu and
> right-arrow
> to open. JFW was set to run as normal, and I've changed it to high, waited
> a
> bit, and then selected the set priority button after the cautionary
> warning.
> Close Windows Task Manager with Escape.
>
> Now let's see if JAWS behaves better with this setting. If it does, I'd
> sure
> like to know how to have it permanently set to high priority, as I suspect
> it will default to normal after a restart.
>
> Dave
> Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 07:16
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs
>
>
> Hello Mike,
> John Justice, here.
> I work for the state and use configurations which are similar to the ones
> you describe.
>
> In the interest of correcting the problem, I brought it to the attention
> of
> our upper level Access group.  Their explanation doesn't solve any issues
> but it might give you food for thought.
>
> 1. THE ISSUE AT HAND:  apparently, what we are experiencing is the
> assignment of RAM.  Current versions of Jaws tend to utilize a
> considerable
> amount of RAM, especially when changing from one software environment to
> another.  The result is that the system has to {wait} for enough RAM  to
> perform the function.
> 2. PROGRAM PRIORITY ASSIGNMENT:  It is possible to assign certain programs
> on a PC so that they have a priority when RAM is distributed. This is way
> beyond my pay grade Mike but apparently, within reason, certain programs
> can
> be allowed to operate at the expense of others, at least temporarily.
> There
> are exceptions to this rule and certain pieces of software are assigned a
> permanent top priority.  I imagine that the Windows operating system might
> have that kind of assignment.
> 3.  According to our A. T. department, reassignment involves the division
> of
> RAM  into smaller compartments which then handle this function.  The
> entire
> process scares the heck out of me.  It isn't something I'd want to
> attempt.
> There might be someone on our list with more technological knowledge than
> I
> have.
> 4.  A WORKING SOLUTION:  I am now operating two computers simultaneously.
> One is dedicated to some of the functions I need while the second unit
> handles primary functions.  For example, I use the secondary unit to load
> and display Excel spreadsheets.  But even with that arrangement, certain
> pieces of software will temporarily shut down Jaws until they are fully
> loaded.  The down time has been measured  and it is usually
> approximately32
> seconds.
> 5.  CREATING HOTKEYS FOR RELOADING JAWS:  Finally, we have established
> hotkeys which can be used to encourage Jaws to restart.  Occasionally,
> though rarely, Jaws wil not restart after one of these incidents.  We use
> three key combinations which are dedicated to reactivating Jaws.
>
> The entire thing is frustrating to say the least, Mike.  But it's
> something
> we just put up with since jaws performs so well in most other respects.
>
>
> JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE
> WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND 

Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

[Steve]

Dave,

One of your issues might be 32-bit OS.  That limits you as to your memory 
usage which I think tops out at only 4Gigs in a 32-bit system.


- Original Message - 
From: "Dave...Oregonian" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs



John,

Interesting...One thing I can do (and have just done) is to increase the
priority of the JFW process. I'm going to try running my system this way 
for

a while to see if anything improves.

My system is a Dell laptop with Windows 7 Pro 32-bit, dual core processor.
I'm running the latest build of JAWS 2018.

What I did was to launch the Windows Task Manager  (Ctrl+Shift+Escape) and
Ctrl+Tab to the processes list. I arrowed down to jfw.exe and opened the
context menu. From there I selected the "set priority" menu and 
right-arrow
to open. JFW was set to run as normal, and I've changed it to high, waited 
a
bit, and then selected the set priority button after the cautionary 
warning.

Close Windows Task Manager with Escape.

Now let's see if JAWS behaves better with this setting. If it does, I'd 
sure

like to know how to have it permanently set to high priority, as I suspect
it will default to normal after a restart.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 07:16
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs


Hello Mike,
John Justice, here.
I work for the state and use configurations which are similar to the ones
you describe.

In the interest of correcting the problem, I brought it to the attention 
of

our upper level Access group.  Their explanation doesn't solve any issues
but it might give you food for thought.

1. THE ISSUE AT HAND:  apparently, what we are experiencing is the
assignment of RAM.  Current versions of Jaws tend to utilize a 
considerable

amount of RAM, especially when changing from one software environment to
another.  The result is that the system has to {wait} for enough RAM  to
perform the function.
2. PROGRAM PRIORITY ASSIGNMENT:  It is possible to assign certain programs
on a PC so that they have a priority when RAM is distributed. This is way
beyond my pay grade Mike but apparently, within reason, certain programs 
can
be allowed to operate at the expense of others, at least temporarily. 
There

are exceptions to this rule and certain pieces of software are assigned a
permanent top priority.  I imagine that the Windows operating system might
have that kind of assignment.
3.  According to our A. T. department, reassignment involves the division 
of
RAM  into smaller compartments which then handle this function.  The 
entire
process scares the heck out of me.  It isn't something I'd want to 
attempt.
There might be someone on our list with more technological knowledge than 
I

have.
4.  A WORKING SOLUTION:  I am now operating two computers simultaneously.
One is dedicated to some of the functions I need while the second unit
handles primary functions.  For example, I use the secondary unit to load
and display Excel spreadsheets.  But even with that arrangement, certain
pieces of software will temporarily shut down Jaws until they are fully
loaded.  The down time has been measured  and it is usually 
approximately32

seconds.
5.  CREATING HOTKEYS FOR RELOADING JAWS:  Finally, we have established
hotkeys which can be used to encourage Jaws to restart.  Occasionally,
though rarely, Jaws wil not restart after one of these incidents.  We use
three key combinations which are dedicated to reactivating Jaws.

The entire thing is frustrating to say the least, Mike.  But it's 
something

we just put up with since jaws performs so well in most other respects.


JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE
WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE
PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf 
Of

Mike Mote
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 11:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

Good morning all!  I'm trying to help with one of our employees here at 
work

on an issue where JAWS freezes unexpectedly when switching from one window
to another using the Alt Tab key.  The issue is difficult to resolve 
because

it doesn't happen every time he switches windows.  It does happen two to
three times a day on average, and is hindering his efforts to perform his
job.  I have offered several solutions, but nothing has worked yet.  When
JAWS freezes, he has to wait some 30 seconds before speech comes back.

I wanted to reach out to the list to see if any of you had any ideas as to
how I could minimize this behavior.  I would appreciate any feedback.
Thanks very much!







Mike Mote

Manager of Accessibility 

Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

[Steve]

On most modern computers, I'd be surprised if Ram itself is the issue, 
unless you have 4GB or less.


That might be asimplified explanation.

But, I think the way Jaws is coded is a major part of the problem in the way 
it has to address the hooks in Windows itself.
It doesn't seem to appear with other screen-readers the way it does with 
Jaws.


- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs



Hello Mike,
John Justice, here.
I work for the state and use configurations which are similar to the ones
you describe.

In the interest of correcting the problem, I brought it to the attention 
of

our upper level Access group.  Their explanation doesn't solve any issues
but it might give you food for thought.

1. THE ISSUE AT HAND:  apparently, what we are experiencing is the
assignment of RAM.  Current versions of Jaws tend to utilize a 
considerable

amount of RAM, especially when changing from one software environment to
another.  The result is that the system has to {wait} for enough RAM  to
perform the function.
2. PROGRAM PRIORITY ASSIGNMENT:  It is possible to assign certain programs
on a PC so that they have a priority when RAM is distributed. This is way
beyond my pay grade Mike but apparently, within reason, certain programs 
can
be allowed to operate at the expense of others, at least temporarily. 
There

are exceptions to this rule and certain pieces of software are assigned a
permanent top priority.  I imagine that the Windows operating system might
have that kind of assignment.
3.  According to our A. T. department, reassignment involves the division 
of
RAM  into smaller compartments which then handle this function.  The 
entire
process scares the heck out of me.  It isn't something I'd want to 
attempt.
There might be someone on our list with more technological knowledge than 
I

have.
4.  A WORKING SOLUTION:  I am now operating two computers simultaneously.
One is dedicated to some of the functions I need while the second unit
handles primary functions.  For example, I use the secondary unit to load
and display Excel spreadsheets.  But even with that arrangement, certain
pieces of software will temporarily shut down Jaws until they are fully
loaded.  The down time has been measured  and it is usually 
approximately32

seconds.
5.  CREATING HOTKEYS FOR RELOADING JAWS:  Finally, we have established
hotkeys which can be used to encourage Jaws to restart.  Occasionally,
though rarely, Jaws wil not restart after one of these incidents.  We use
three key combinations which are dedicated to reactivating Jaws.

The entire thing is frustrating to say the least, Mike.  But it's 
something

we just put up with since jaws performs so well in most other respects.


JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE
WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE
PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf 
Of

Mike Mote
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 11:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

Good morning all!  I'm trying to help with one of our employees here at 
work

on an issue where JAWS freezes unexpectedly when switching from one window
to another using the Alt Tab key.  The issue is difficult to resolve 
because

it doesn't happen every time he switches windows.  It does happen two to
three times a day on average, and is hindering his efforts to perform his
job.  I have offered several solutions, but nothing has worked yet.  When
JAWS freezes, he has to wait some 30 seconds before speech comes back.

I wanted to reach out to the list to see if any of you had any ideas as to
how I could minimize this behavior.  I would appreciate any feedback.
Thanks very much!







Mike Mote

Manager of Accessibility and Workforce Development, Human Resources

IFB Solutions

Our Vision is Working - see more at  
www.ifbsolutions.org

Email   mm...@ifbsolutions.org

Work Phone (336) 245-5650

Mobile Phone (336) 793-6006

Shipping:  7730 North Point Dr

Winston-Salem, NC 27106



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Re: [JAWS-Users] Jaws and conversations

[Steve]

First, good luck, particularly now since the newer versions of Skype aren't 
as accessible.


To answer your question, you will probably need to run Jaws on a separate 
soundcard or USB soundcard and Skype off the other soundcard, using 
headphones with a splitter cable so you can put one channel on Skype and the 
other channel on the Jaws screen-reader.


Steve
Lansing, Mi

- Original Message - 
From: "Teresa Arroyo Llosa" 

To: "Jaws Users List" 
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 2:39 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Jaws and conversations



Hello all,

Windows 8.1 Jaws 16.

I am starting a niew job were I have to talk with others though skype or 
other means. My questions is, while I am having a conversation using a 
headset, what can I do so that the other person doesn’t listen to jaws< 
only myself. Can this be done?


I am starting work next monday.

Thank you in advance.

Best regards,

Teresa Arroyo Llosa

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[JAWS-Users] Jaws and conversations

[Teresa Arroyo Llosa]

Hello all,

Windows 8.1 Jaws 16.

I am starting a niew job were I have to talk with others though skype or other 
means. My questions is, while I am having a conversation using a headset, what 
can I do so that the other person doesn’t listen to jaws< only myself. Can this 
be done?

I am starting work next monday.

Thank you in advance.

Best regards,

Teresa Arroyo Llosa

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

[JM Casey]

Yes, do let us know how this goes. I can do this in Windows 10 with Process
Explorer (the native windows task manager is intolerably slow with JAWS and
almost unusable for practical purposes).

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Dave...Oregonian
Sent: March 10, 2018 12:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

John,

Interesting...One thing I can do (and have just done) is to increase the
priority of the JFW process. I'm going to try running my system this way for
a while to see if anything improves.

My system is a Dell laptop with Windows 7 Pro 32-bit, dual core processor. 
I'm running the latest build of JAWS 2018.

What I did was to launch the Windows Task Manager  (Ctrl+Shift+Escape) and 
Ctrl+Tab to the processes list. I arrowed down to jfw.exe and opened the
context menu. From there I selected the "set priority" menu and right-arrow
to open. JFW was set to run as normal, and I've changed it to high, waited a
bit, and then selected the set priority button after the cautionary warning.
Close Windows Task Manager with Escape.

Now let's see if JAWS behaves better with this setting. If it does, I'd sure
like to know how to have it permanently set to high priority, as I suspect
it will default to normal after a restart.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 07:16
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs


Hello Mike,
John Justice, here.
I work for the state and use configurations which are similar to the ones
you describe.

In the interest of correcting the problem, I brought it to the attention of
our upper level Access group.  Their explanation doesn't solve any issues
but it might give you food for thought.

 1. THE ISSUE AT HAND:  apparently, what we are experiencing is the
assignment of RAM.  Current versions of Jaws tend to utilize a considerable
amount of RAM, especially when changing from one software environment to
another.  The result is that the system has to {wait} for enough RAM  to
perform the function.
2. PROGRAM PRIORITY ASSIGNMENT:  It is possible to assign certain programs
on a PC so that they have a priority when RAM is distributed. This is way
beyond my pay grade Mike but apparently, within reason, certain programs can
be allowed to operate at the expense of others, at least temporarily. There
are exceptions to this rule and certain pieces of software are assigned a
permanent top priority.  I imagine that the Windows operating system might
have that kind of assignment.
3.  According to our A. T. department, reassignment involves the division of
RAM  into smaller compartments which then handle this function.  The entire
process scares the heck out of me.  It isn't something I'd want to attempt.
There might be someone on our list with more technological knowledge than I
have.
4.  A WORKING SOLUTION:  I am now operating two computers simultaneously.
One is dedicated to some of the functions I need while the second unit
handles primary functions.  For example, I use the secondary unit to load
and display Excel spreadsheets.  But even with that arrangement, certain
pieces of software will temporarily shut down Jaws until they are fully
loaded.  The down time has been measured  and it is usually approximately32
seconds.
5.  CREATING HOTKEYS FOR RELOADING JAWS:  Finally, we have established
hotkeys which can be used to encourage Jaws to restart.  Occasionally,
though rarely, Jaws wil not restart after one of these incidents.  We use
three key combinations which are dedicated to reactivating Jaws.

The entire thing is frustrating to say the least, Mike.  But it's something
we just put up with since jaws performs so well in most other respects.


JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE
WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE
PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
Mike Mote
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 11:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

Good morning all!  I'm trying to help with one of our employees here at work
on an issue where JAWS freezes unexpectedly when switching from one window
to another using the Alt Tab key.  The issue is difficult to resolve because
it doesn't happen every time he switches windows.  It does happen two to
three times a day on average, and is hindering his efforts to perform his
job.  I have offered several solutions, but nothing has worked yet.  When
JAWS freezes, he has to wait some 30 seconds before speech comes back.

I wanted to reach out to the list to see if any of you had any ideas as to
how I could minimize this behavior.  I would appreciate any feedback.
Thanks very 

Re: [JAWS-Users] Putting JAWS in Advanced User Mode

[Mike B.]

Hi Wayne,

I'm sure there is, but since I've never used Advanced mode I couldn't tell 
you what or how much.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the 
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message - 
From: wayne smith
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 6:23 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Putting JAWS in Advanced User Mode


Hey Mike,

Is there a risk of missing important stuff when using the advanced mode?

Wayne

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 7:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Putting JAWS in Advanced User Mode

Hi Kevin,

1. Open the Settings Center with, Insert / Jaws key + 6, on the number row,
then press, control, shift, + D, to open the Settings Center default all
applications.
2. Arrow down to, Speech Verboscity closed, right arrow to open.
3. Arrow down 1 time to, Verboscity Level... 1 of 3, tap the spacebar to
toggle through the 3 levels Beginner, Intermediate, & Advanced.
3. to change the settings of any of the 3 levels, arrow down to, Configure
Verbosity Levels closed, & right arrow to open.
4. Now arrow to the Level you want to work with, & press the spacebar to
open.  Do not press enter because if you do, pressing enter will close the
Settings Center & put you back on whatever you were on before.
5. If you make any changes tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, tab to, Okay,
& press enter to save & close.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Lee
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Putting JAWS in Advanced User Mode


How do you select the level of jaws you wish to run?

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

From: Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 4:59 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Putting JAWS in Advanced User Mode

Hi Sandy,

Jaws has 3 modes of operation.  Beginner, Intermediate, & Advanced.  The
higher the level you select to run, the less Jaws will speak as you use the
program, & this means all across the board.  So, if you're running Beginner
you will hear much more of Jaws as you do your work, email, web serfing,
etc...

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

- Original Message -
From: sandy
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Putting JAWS in Advanced User Mode


what is jaws advance users mode please?

-Original Message- 
From: Mike B.
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 8:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Putting JAWS in Advanced User Mode

Hi Matthew,

Open the Settings Center with, Insert / Jaws key + 6, then press, Control,
shift, + D.
Arrow down to, Speech Verboscity, right arrow to open.

Arrow down 1 time to, Verboscity Level ... 1 of 3, now press the spacebar to
toggle through youroptions, & stopping when you hear, Advanced.

Tab to, Okay, press enter to save & close.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree
- Original Message - 
From: Matthew Chao
To: JAWS-Users-List@jaws-users.com
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 4:41 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Putting JAWS in Advanced User Mode


Hi, Folks.  How do I put JAWS into Advanced User Mode?  It says to go to
Help to do this, but I couldn't find the place to make this happen.
Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao


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[JAWS-Users] Fusion Question about resolution

[Loy Green]

Each time I start Fusion or ZT.  The system profiler says System not set to 
recommended resolution. I have looked in help to see what the recommended 
resolution is, but haven't been able to find it. Anyone know what the 
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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS and audible.com

[Adrian Spratt]

Arianna, that "pass-through" verbalization is wrong. Simply press enter on that 
link and the library should appear.
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of 
Arianna Calesso
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 11:41 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS and audible.com

Is anyone having trouble using the audible.com site?  I just signed up to use 
audible but am having a problem accessing library.  I'm told to use pass key 
through but still can't get into the library.  

Can anyone help?

Arianna
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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

[Adrian Spratt]

Hi, Dave. Please report your findings. A clever and very possibly fruitful 
approach.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of 
Dave...Oregonian
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 12:32 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

John,

Interesting...One thing I can do (and have just done) is to increase the 
priority of the JFW process. I'm going to try running my system this way for a 
while to see if anything improves.

My system is a Dell laptop with Windows 7 Pro 32-bit, dual core processor. 
I'm running the latest build of JAWS 2018.

What I did was to launch the Windows Task Manager  (Ctrl+Shift+Escape) and 
Ctrl+Tab to the processes list. I arrowed down to jfw.exe and opened the
context menu. From there I selected the "set priority" menu and right-arrow to 
open. JFW was set to run as normal, and I've changed it to high, waited a bit, 
and then selected the set priority button after the cautionary warning.
Close Windows Task Manager with Escape.

Now let's see if JAWS behaves better with this setting. If it does, I'd sure 
like to know how to have it permanently set to high priority, as I suspect it 
will default to normal after a restart.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message -
From: 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 07:16
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs


Hello Mike,
John Justice, here.
I work for the state and use configurations which are similar to the ones
you describe.

In the interest of correcting the problem, I brought it to the attention of
our upper level Access group.  Their explanation doesn't solve any issues
but it might give you food for thought.

 1. THE ISSUE AT HAND:  apparently, what we are experiencing is the
assignment of RAM.  Current versions of Jaws tend to utilize a considerable
amount of RAM, especially when changing from one software environment to
another.  The result is that the system has to {wait} for enough RAM  to
perform the function.
2. PROGRAM PRIORITY ASSIGNMENT:  It is possible to assign certain programs
on a PC so that they have a priority when RAM is distributed. This is way
beyond my pay grade Mike but apparently, within reason, certain programs can
be allowed to operate at the expense of others, at least temporarily. There
are exceptions to this rule and certain pieces of software are assigned a
permanent top priority.  I imagine that the Windows operating system might
have that kind of assignment.
3.  According to our A. T. department, reassignment involves the division of
RAM  into smaller compartments which then handle this function.  The entire
process scares the heck out of me.  It isn't something I'd want to attempt.
There might be someone on our list with more technological knowledge than I
have.
4.  A WORKING SOLUTION:  I am now operating two computers simultaneously.
One is dedicated to some of the functions I need while the second unit
handles primary functions.  For example, I use the secondary unit to load
and display Excel spreadsheets.  But even with that arrangement, certain
pieces of software will temporarily shut down Jaws until they are fully
loaded.  The down time has been measured  and it is usually approximately32
seconds.
5.  CREATING HOTKEYS FOR RELOADING JAWS:  Finally, we have established
hotkeys which can be used to encourage Jaws to restart.  Occasionally,
though rarely, Jaws wil not restart after one of these incidents.  We use
three key combinations which are dedicated to reactivating Jaws.

The entire thing is frustrating to say the least, Mike.  But it's something
we just put up with since jaws performs so well in most other respects.


JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE
WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE
PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
Mike Mote
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 11:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

Good morning all!  I'm trying to help with one of our employees here at work
on an issue where JAWS freezes unexpectedly when switching from one window
to another using the Alt Tab key.  The issue is difficult to resolve because
it doesn't happen every time he switches windows.  It does happen two to
three times a day on average, and is hindering his efforts to perform his
job.  I have offered several solutions, but nothing has worked yet.  When
JAWS freezes, he has to wait some 30 seconds before speech comes back.

I wanted to reach out to the list to see if any of you had any ideas as to
how I could minimize this behavior.  I would appreciate any feedback.
Thanks very much!







Mike Mote

Manager of Accessibility and Workforce Development, Human Resources

IFB 

Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018?

[Rick Justice]

Hi John,
Keep in mind, the longer you are out of the loop with the current version,
the more it will cost when you decide to make the change.

HTH,
Rick Justice

"Tomorrow's another day, another way!"
"and if tomorrow never comes, problem solved!"

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:23 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018?


Hi group,

I am now using Jaws 18 in its latest configuration.  I just priced out the
upgrade to Jaws 2018 and it will cost me $400 including the SMA.  Before I
make that kind of investment, I'd appreciate it if someone would tell me
whether Jaws 2018 is worth the investment.  I'm happy with jaws 18.   I
would have no objection to upgrading if someone can give me good reasons for
that change.  I have been studying the messages on our list and to tell you
the truth, what I'm hearing is somewhat discouraging.  Many people are
having issues with 2018.  However, I'd be willing to bet that the same thing
happened when Jaws 18 was introduced.  There is always a time where people
have to adjust to new technology or software.



JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE

WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE

PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net



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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

[Dave...Oregonian]

John,

Interesting...One thing I can do (and have just done) is to increase the 
priority of the JFW process. I'm going to try running my system this way for 
a while to see if anything improves.

My system is a Dell laptop with Windows 7 Pro 32-bit, dual core processor. 
I'm running the latest build of JAWS 2018.

What I did was to launch the Windows Task Manager  (Ctrl+Shift+Escape) and 
Ctrl+Tab to the processes list. I arrowed down to jfw.exe and opened the 
context menu. From there I selected the "set priority" menu and right-arrow 
to open. JFW was set to run as normal, and I've changed it to high, waited a 
bit, and then selected the set priority button after the cautionary warning.
Close Windows Task Manager with Escape.

Now let's see if JAWS behaves better with this setting. If it does, I'd sure 
like to know how to have it permanently set to high priority, as I suspect 
it will default to normal after a restart.

Dave
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer


- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 07:16
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs


Hello Mike,
John Justice, here.
I work for the state and use configurations which are similar to the ones
you describe.

In the interest of correcting the problem, I brought it to the attention of
our upper level Access group.  Their explanation doesn't solve any issues
but it might give you food for thought.

 1. THE ISSUE AT HAND:  apparently, what we are experiencing is the
assignment of RAM.  Current versions of Jaws tend to utilize a considerable
amount of RAM, especially when changing from one software environment to
another.  The result is that the system has to {wait} for enough RAM  to
perform the function.
2. PROGRAM PRIORITY ASSIGNMENT:  It is possible to assign certain programs
on a PC so that they have a priority when RAM is distributed. This is way
beyond my pay grade Mike but apparently, within reason, certain programs can
be allowed to operate at the expense of others, at least temporarily. There
are exceptions to this rule and certain pieces of software are assigned a
permanent top priority.  I imagine that the Windows operating system might
have that kind of assignment.
3.  According to our A. T. department, reassignment involves the division of
RAM  into smaller compartments which then handle this function.  The entire
process scares the heck out of me.  It isn't something I'd want to attempt.
There might be someone on our list with more technological knowledge than I
have.
4.  A WORKING SOLUTION:  I am now operating two computers simultaneously.
One is dedicated to some of the functions I need while the second unit
handles primary functions.  For example, I use the secondary unit to load
and display Excel spreadsheets.  But even with that arrangement, certain
pieces of software will temporarily shut down Jaws until they are fully
loaded.  The down time has been measured  and it is usually approximately32
seconds.
5.  CREATING HOTKEYS FOR RELOADING JAWS:  Finally, we have established
hotkeys which can be used to encourage Jaws to restart.  Occasionally,
though rarely, Jaws wil not restart after one of these incidents.  We use
three key combinations which are dedicated to reactivating Jaws.

The entire thing is frustrating to say the least, Mike.  But it's something
we just put up with since jaws performs so well in most other respects.


JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE
WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE
PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
Mike Mote
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 11:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

Good morning all!  I'm trying to help with one of our employees here at work
on an issue where JAWS freezes unexpectedly when switching from one window
to another using the Alt Tab key.  The issue is difficult to resolve because
it doesn't happen every time he switches windows.  It does happen two to
three times a day on average, and is hindering his efforts to perform his
job.  I have offered several solutions, but nothing has worked yet.  When
JAWS freezes, he has to wait some 30 seconds before speech comes back.

I wanted to reach out to the list to see if any of you had any ideas as to
how I could minimize this behavior.  I would appreciate any feedback.
Thanks very much!







Mike Mote

Manager of Accessibility and Workforce Development, Human Resources

IFB Solutions

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www.ifbsolutions.org

Email   mm...@ifbsolutions.org

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Testing with no list traffic

[wayne smith]

David, I have you all back in my inbox! I don't know why but the result is
the same. A strange thing was that I got one email during my exile from
somebody calling itself, Steve, that was a message with a virus imbedded.
Maybe because I let Facebook have it after reading the WSJ article on their
secret plots.

Wayne

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Ferrin
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 8:36 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Testing with no list traffic

You may use the same email address to subscribe again if you at first
un-subscribe it obviously.

-Original Message-
From: wayne smith
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 9:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Testing with no list traffic

I am still not getting any traffic in my inbox from the list. All that I can
think to do is to unsubscribe from the list and then subscribe again.  If I
unsubscribe can I resubscribe using the same email address or will your
system identify the address and not let me use it? What can you guys do at
your end? Can you unsubscribe me and then resubscribe me or do I need to do
it?

I did get one email yesterday that was supposed to be from the list from
Steve, a name I had not seen before, but when I opened the message I got a
warning from my virus protection that it was an infected message. All of
this is really strange.

Wayne

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Moderator
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 5:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Testing with no list traffic

Hi Wayne,
Everything is working fine, there is just a lull in messages.

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To: 
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 5:30 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Testing with no list traffic


Is anybody out there?



Wayne

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Need to know a JAWS keystroke

[Mitch]

Hi,  you can find it by using the JAWS Key with space bar and J and type  key 
in the edit field and arrow down through the list of results for help.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Arianna Calesso
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 9:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Need to know a JAWS keystroke

What is the keystroke for pass keythrough?  I've never used it so don't know it.

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[JAWS-Users] JAWS and audible.com

[Arianna Calesso]

Is anyone having trouble using the audible.com site?  I just signed up to use 
audible but am having a problem accessing library.  I'm told to use pass key 
through but still can't get into the library.  

Can anyone help?

Arianna
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Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018?

[john_justice]

Thanks George.  Coming from a man who eats Excel documents for breakfast,
that is good advice.  I'll just wait a bit and see.
For now, Jaws 18 is just fine for me.



JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE
WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE
PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net

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From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
George Martinez Sr.
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:42 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018?

John,
If you use Excel a lot stay away from 2018 like the plague.  As you
mentioned, Freedom Scientific does catch up after a while with Microsoft
Office suite but that is still in the future.
I have both 2018 and JAWS18 and I am very happy with my JAWS18.

George A. Martinez, CPA
O-602.368.8854
F-206.666.2589
C-602.368.5424
"I've learnedThat everyone wants to live on top of the mountain, but all
the happiness and growth occurs while you're climbing it." attributed to
Andy Rooney

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john_just...@verizon.net
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 8:24 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018?

Hi group,

I am now using Jaws 18 in its latest configuration.  I just priced out the
upgrade to Jaws 2018 and it will cost me $400 including the SMA.  Before I
make that kind of investment, I'd appreciate it if someone would tell me
whether Jaws 2018 is worth the investment.  I'm happy with jaws 18.   I
would have no objection to upgrading if someone can give me good reasons for
that change.  I have been studying the messages on our list and to tell you
the truth, what I'm hearing is somewhat discouraging.  Many people are
having issues with 2018.  However, I'd be willing to bet that the same thing
happened when Jaws 18 was introduced.  There is always a time where people
have to adjust to new technology or software.   

 

JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE

WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE

PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Need to know a JAWS keystroke

[ratshtron]

numpad insert plus numrow 3.


Legend has it that on Saturday 3/10/2018 10:17 AM, Arianna Calesso said:

What is the keystroke for pass keythrough?  I've never used it so 
don't know it.


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[JAWS-Users] Need to know a JAWS keystroke

[Arianna Calesso]

What is the keystroke for pass keythrough?  I've never used it so don't know it.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018?

[George Martinez Sr.]

John,
If you use Excel a lot stay away from 2018 like the plague.  As you
mentioned, Freedom Scientific does catch up after a while with Microsoft
Office suite but that is still in the future.
I have both 2018 and JAWS18 and I am very happy with my JAWS18.

George A. Martinez, CPA
O-602.368.8854
F-206.666.2589
C-602.368.5424
"I've learnedThat everyone wants to live on top of the mountain, but all
the happiness and growth occurs while you're climbing it." attributed to
Andy Rooney

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
john_just...@verizon.net
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 8:24 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018?

Hi group,

I am now using Jaws 18 in its latest configuration.  I just priced out the
upgrade to Jaws 2018 and it will cost me $400 including the SMA.  Before I
make that kind of investment, I'd appreciate it if someone would tell me
whether Jaws 2018 is worth the investment.  I'm happy with jaws 18.   I
would have no objection to upgrading if someone can give me good reasons for
that change.  I have been studying the messages on our list and to tell you
the truth, what I'm hearing is somewhat discouraging.  Many people are
having issues with 2018.  However, I'd be willing to bet that the same thing
happened when Jaws 18 was introduced.  There is always a time where people
have to adjust to new technology or software.   

 

JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE

WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE

PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018?

[Kevin Lee]

You’d be better if you sticked to 18.  There isn’t much difference.  The only 
reason I’m using 2018 is because I didn’t pay for an SMA for 2018, I’m a client 
of the Equipments department of Washington state and they payed for my SMA.

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

From: john_just...@verizon.net
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 7:25 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018?

Hi group,

I am now using Jaws 18 in its latest configuration.  I just priced out the
upgrade to Jaws 2018 and it will cost me $400 including the SMA.  Before I
make that kind of investment, I'd appreciate it if someone would tell me
whether Jaws 2018 is worth the investment.  I'm happy with jaws 18.   I
would have no objection to upgrading if someone can give me good reasons for
that change.  I have been studying the messages on our list and to tell you
the truth, what I'm hearing is somewhat discouraging.  Many people are
having issues with 2018.  However, I'd be willing to bet that the same thing
happened when Jaws 18 was introduced.  There is always a time where people
have to adjust to new technology or software.   

 

JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE

WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE

PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net

 

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[JAWS-Users] WHY UPGRADE TO 2018?

[john_justice]

Hi group,

I am now using Jaws 18 in its latest configuration.  I just priced out the
upgrade to Jaws 2018 and it will cost me $400 including the SMA.  Before I
make that kind of investment, I'd appreciate it if someone would tell me
whether Jaws 2018 is worth the investment.  I'm happy with jaws 18.   I
would have no objection to upgrading if someone can give me good reasons for
that change.  I have been studying the messages on our list and to tell you
the truth, what I'm hearing is somewhat discouraging.  Many people are
having issues with 2018.  However, I'd be willing to bet that the same thing
happened when Jaws 18 was introduced.  There is always a time where people
have to adjust to new technology or software.   

 

JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE

WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE

PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

[john_justice]

Hello Mike,
John Justice, here.
I work for the state and use configurations which are similar to the ones
you describe.

In the interest of correcting the problem, I brought it to the attention of
our upper level Access group.  Their explanation doesn't solve any issues
but it might give you food for thought.

 1. THE ISSUE AT HAND:  apparently, what we are experiencing is the
assignment of RAM.  Current versions of Jaws tend to utilize a considerable
amount of RAM, especially when changing from one software environment to
another.  The result is that the system has to {wait} for enough RAM  to
perform the function.
2. PROGRAM PRIORITY ASSIGNMENT:  It is possible to assign certain programs
on a PC so that they have a priority when RAM is distributed. This is way
beyond my pay grade Mike but apparently, within reason, certain programs can
be allowed to operate at the expense of others, at least temporarily. There
are exceptions to this rule and certain pieces of software are assigned a
permanent top priority.  I imagine that the Windows operating system might
have that kind of assignment.
3.  According to our A. T. department, reassignment involves the division of
RAM  into smaller compartments which then handle this function.  The entire
process scares the heck out of me.  It isn't something I'd want to attempt.
There might be someone on our list with more technological knowledge than I
have.  
4.  A WORKING SOLUTION:  I am now operating two computers simultaneously.
One is dedicated to some of the functions I need while the second unit
handles primary functions.  For example, I use the secondary unit to load
and display Excel spreadsheets.  But even with that arrangement, certain
pieces of software will temporarily shut down Jaws until they are fully
loaded.  The down time has been measured  and it is usually approximately32
seconds.
5.  CREATING HOTKEYS FOR RELOADING JAWS:  Finally, we have established
hotkeys which can be used to encourage Jaws to restart.  Occasionally,
though rarely, Jaws wil not restart after one of these incidents.  We use
three key combinations which are dedicated to reactivating Jaws.  

The entire thing is frustrating to say the least, Mike.  But it's something
we just put up with since jaws performs so well in most other respects.
 

JOHN AND LINDA JUSTICE
WITH GUIDE DOGS EDWIN AND CALYPSOE
PERSONAL E-MAIL: john_just...@verizon.net

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List  On Behalf Of
Mike Mote
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 11:18 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS freezing when switching between programs

Good morning all!  I'm trying to help with one of our employees here at work
on an issue where JAWS freezes unexpectedly when switching from one window
to another using the Alt Tab key.  The issue is difficult to resolve because
it doesn't happen every time he switches windows.  It does happen two to
three times a day on average, and is hindering his efforts to perform his
job.  I have offered several solutions, but nothing has worked yet.  When
JAWS freezes, he has to wait some 30 seconds before speech comes back.  

I wanted to reach out to the list to see if any of you had any ideas as to
how I could minimize this behavior.  I would appreciate any feedback.
Thanks very much!

 

 

 

Mike Mote 

Manager of Accessibility and Workforce Development, Human Resources

IFB Solutions

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Email   mm...@ifbsolutions.org

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Testing with no list traffic

[David Ferrin]

You may use the same email address to subscribe again if you at first 
un-subscribe it obviously.


-Original Message- 
From: wayne smith

Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 9:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Testing with no list traffic

I am still not getting any traffic in my inbox from the list. All that I can
think to do is to unsubscribe from the list and then subscribe again.  If I
unsubscribe can I resubscribe using the same email address or will your
system identify the address and not let me use it? What can you guys do at
your end? Can you unsubscribe me and then resubscribe me or do I need to do
it?

I did get one email yesterday that was supposed to be from the list from
Steve, a name I had not seen before, but when I opened the message I got a
warning from my virus protection that it was an infected message. All of
this is really strange.

Wayne

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Moderator
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 5:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Testing with no list traffic

Hi Wayne,
Everything is working fine, there is just a lull in messages.

- Original Message - 
From: "wayne smith" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 5:30 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Testing with no list traffic


Is anybody out there?



Wayne

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Putting JAWS in Advanced User Mode

[wayne smith]

Hey Mike,

Is there a risk of missing important stuff when using the advanced mode?

Wayne

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 7:21 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Putting JAWS in Advanced User Mode

Hi Kevin,

1. Open the Settings Center with, Insert / Jaws key + 6, on the number row,
then press, control, shift, + D, to open the Settings Center default all
applications.
2. Arrow down to, Speech Verboscity closed, right arrow to open.
3. Arrow down 1 time to, Verboscity Level... 1 of 3, tap the spacebar to
toggle through the 3 levels Beginner, Intermediate, & Advanced.
3. to change the settings of any of the 3 levels, arrow down to, Configure
Verbosity Levels closed, & right arrow to open.
4. Now arrow to the Level you want to work with, & press the spacebar to
open.  Do not press enter because if you do, pressing enter will close the
Settings Center & put you back on whatever you were on before.
5. If you make any changes tab to, Apply, press the spacebar, tab to, Okay,
& press enter to save & close.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Lee
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Putting JAWS in Advanced User Mode


How do you select the level of jaws you wish to run?

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

From: Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2018 4:59 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Putting JAWS in Advanced User Mode

Hi Sandy,

Jaws has 3 modes of operation.  Beginner, Intermediate, & Advanced.  The
higher the level you select to run, the less Jaws will speak as you use the
program, & this means all across the board.  So, if you're running Beginner
you will hear much more of Jaws as you do your work, email, web serfing,
etc...

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.

- Original Message -
From: sandy
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 3:36 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Putting JAWS in Advanced User Mode


what is jaws advance users mode please?

-Original Message- 
From: Mike B.
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 8:38 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Putting JAWS in Advanced User Mode

Hi Matthew,

Open the Settings Center with, Insert / Jaws key + 6, then press, Control,
shift, + D.
Arrow down to, Speech Verboscity, right arrow to open.

Arrow down 1 time to, Verboscity Level ... 1 of 3, now press the spacebar to
toggle through youroptions, & stopping when you hear, Advanced.

Tab to, Okay, press enter to save & close.

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sennt from my iBarstool.
Arguing with a woman is like reading a software license agreement.  In the
end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree
- Original Message - 
From: Matthew Chao
To: JAWS-Users-List@jaws-users.com
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 4:41 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Putting JAWS in Advanced User Mode


Hi, Folks.  How do I put JAWS into Advanced User Mode?  It says to go to
Help to do this, but I couldn't find the place to make this happen.
Thanks in advance.--Matthew Chao


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Re: [JAWS-Users] Testing with no list traffic

[wayne smith]

I am still not getting any traffic in my inbox from the list. All that I can
think to do is to unsubscribe from the list and then subscribe again.  If I
unsubscribe can I resubscribe using the same email address or will your
system identify the address and not let me use it? What can you guys do at
your end? Can you unsubscribe me and then resubscribe me or do I need to do
it?

I did get one email yesterday that was supposed to be from the list from
Steve, a name I had not seen before, but when I opened the message I got a
warning from my virus protection that it was an infected message. All of
this is really strange.

Wayne

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Behalf Of Moderator
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 5:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Testing with no list traffic

Hi Wayne,
Everything is working fine, there is just a lull in messages.

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From: "wayne smith" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 5:30 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Testing with no list traffic


Is anybody out there?

 

Wayne

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Testing with no list traffic

[wayne smith]

I cant' think of a time when there has been no traffic on this list for
hours but if you say so...

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Moderator
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 5:31 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Testing with no list traffic

Hi Wayne,
Everything is working fine, there is just a lull in messages.

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From: "wayne smith" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 5:30 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Testing with no list traffic


Is anybody out there?

 

Wayne

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