Re: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce
Well, in the UK and Ireland our right alt key is given the alt-gr, or control + alt keys put together in one, functionality, which often forms the basis for accented letters. The left alt key by itself is then absolutely necessary. - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 1:17 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce Flor, I think you had a missing key there :). Indeed I've checked both of those previously ;). Brad On 11/21/2011 06:34 PM Flor Lynch said... What country keyboard layout? Press alt+shift (presumably the right alt key) to cycle between the different keyboard layouts on your computer. you could test the left alt key on a different keyboard layout should you have one. - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce That was the first thing I checked. It is set to Desktop :). I'm in no hurry to reinstall. I did try a different keyboard as well but it does same. I found out today however, that left alt key does work with the ctrl alt page up/down to change speech rate on the fly. I don't have any other adaptable software running other than Qwitter which I unloded thinking some strange key assignment came into play. I don't have any alternative scripts other than Skype scripts, but I had those on an older machine with no issue/conflict. Brad On 11/21/2011 02:21 PM Negoslav Sabev said... Really strange. So the next question is what keyboard layout is chosen in jaws basic options. Don't hurry reinstalling. Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce Regions and Language settings for the keyboard shows US English but good thought. What is strange is, the left ALT key works in every other situation I've tried, plus this: if you go into help mode with insert 1, and press Insert + rightAlt key + down arrow, Jaws help tells you it will read in an alternative voice. If however, you press insert + leftAlt + down arrow, it says nothing. Conversely, if you press insert, + either right or left alt key, + s key for instance, the result is the same, gives you the voice profile box, or help if in help mode. So it appears it is a Jaws issue specific to that hot key combination somehow rather than a keyboard or settings issue. I'd not found it an issue anywhere else. I can live with it, but yes maybe down the road if I get some time, I'll save my settings somewhere and un-, re-install Jaws and see if that helps. Appreciate your taking some idea swings at it though. Brad On 11/20/2011 07:20 AM Negoslav Sabev said... Both alt keys are working here. Maybe the keyboard language layout is messing here. What input language do you use - US? If yes, wich variant - just US, international. The same logic - UK or somethin else? Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce Ok mystery solved but still weird. I've always used the left alt key for this combination, I'd be curious what you use. Jaws is not recognizing the left alt key in these key combos. The alt key works by itself and with other non-Jaws key combination hot keys I've set up for apps and such, but it will not work for this or other Jaws features. It does work with the right alt key. Additionally I do not have differentiate between left and right paired keys set in the settings manager so it ought not make a difference. brad On 11/19/2011 01:26 PM Negoslav Sabev said... First, the settings are in jaws/options.voices/voice adjustment. Second, if you adjust the speech synthesizer (alt+l) and choose sapi5, it will work by pressing insert+down arrow. If you set it to default it works by pressing alt+insert+down arrow. I can't comment if windows7 voice is the problem - probably not. I use sapi5 voice and it's ok. I think you just need to press alt+down arrow with your settings. Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alternate vioce OK well then I must not have something set correct. But where it is, is the issue. I can find no place to set the synthesizer for Say All as the help described in the Settings Manager. Are we talkking in the Jaws menus/Options/Voices area? Or the voice profile area with Insert Ctrl S, which is kind of one in same? I hsow Elequnce
Re: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce
Thanks yes that would work. I can stil use the Insert+RightALT +DownArrow key combo for the alternative voice as I need it, it isn't so much a user inconvenience issue though I'd prefer the LeftAlt key to work, it is more trying to find out why the alt key isn't working in that situation. I may run into other issues if there's a bad install or the like. It is interesting after the ctrl+f to find specific keystroke in the directions you noted, if I try typing LeftAlt+Insert+DownArrow there, it will say nothing for the first few tries, then after a few tries will say Alt Down Arrow with it now missing the Insert Key. Very strange. The RightAlt+Insert+DownArrow shows up fine as would be expected. It's acting like a keyboard issue, yet outside of Jaws there doesn't seem to be an issue. At this point I'll use the RightAlt key for alternative voice reading and just keep watch of any other strange non-working key combo situations. I'm soon to purchase a mechanical keyboard, perhaps, though I doubt it, that willl help :). Brad On 11/22/2011 12:23 AM Negoslav Sabev said... Then try changing the keystroke in keyboard manager. 1. press insert+8 from keyboard row. Keyboard manager will open. 2. press ctrl+shift+d to open the default file. 3. press tab to go in the list of keystrokes. 4. press ctrl+f to find specific keystroke. 5. Press the keystroke that works for you to read with alternate voice and press enter. 6. When it finds it press ctrl+a to change it. 7. Press the keystroke you want from now on and press enter. Hope this helps. Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce That was the first thing I checked. It is set to Desktop :). I'm in no hurry to reinstall. I did try a different keyboard as well but it does same. I found out today however, that left alt key does work with the ctrl alt page up/down to change speech rate on the fly. I don't have any other adaptable software running other than Qwitter which I unloded thinking some strange key assignment came into play. I don't have any alternative scripts other than Skype scripts, but I had those on an older machine with no issue/conflict. Brad On 11/21/2011 02:21 PM Negoslav Sabev said... Really strange. So the next question is what keyboard layout is chosen in jaws basic options. Don't hurry reinstalling. Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce Regions and Language settings for the keyboard shows US English but good thought. What is strange is, the left ALT key works in every other situation I've tried, plus this: if you go into help mode with insert 1, and press Insert + rightAlt key + down arrow, Jaws help tells you it will read in an alternative voice. If however, you press insert + leftAlt + down arrow, it says nothing. Conversely, if you press insert, + either right or left alt key, + s key for instance, the result is the same, gives you the voice profile box, or help if in help mode. So it appears it is a Jaws issue specific to that hot key combination somehow rather than a keyboard or settings issue. I'd not found it an issue anywhere else. I can live with it, but yes maybe down the road if I get some time, I'll save my settings somewhere and un-, re-install Jaws and see if that helps. Appreciate your taking some idea swings at it though. Brad On 11/20/2011 07:20 AM Negoslav Sabev said... Both alt keys are working here. Maybe the keyboard language layout is messing here. What input language do you use - US? If yes, wich variant - just US, international. The same logic - UK or somethin else? Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce Ok mystery solved but still weird. I've always used the left alt key for this combination, I'd be curious what you use. Jaws is not recognizing the left alt key in these key combos. The alt key works by itself and with other non-Jaws key combination hot keys I've set up for apps and such, but it will not work for this or other Jaws features. It does work with the right alt key. Additionally I do not have differentiate between left and right paired keys set in the settings manager so it ought not make a difference. brad On 11/19/2011 01:26 PM Negoslav Sabev said... First, the settings are in jaws/options.voices/voice adjustment. Second, if you adjust the speech synthesizer (alt+l) and choose sapi5, it will work by pressing insert+down arrow. If you set it to default it works by pressing alt+insert+down arrow. I
Re: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce
Ah OK. Not sure what an alt-gr is :), but such alt-ctrl combinations on either side of the spacebar are used with other keys. Thanks for the suggestion, I did diddle with them in case something was awry with the US English keyboard setting in control panel. ;) Brad On 11/22/2011 06:25 AM Flor Lynch said... Well, in the UK and Ireland our right alt key is given the alt-gr, or control + alt keys put together in one, functionality, which often forms the basis for accented letters. The left alt key by itself is then absolutely necessary. - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 1:17 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce Flor, I think you had a missing key there :). Indeed I've checked both of those previously ;). Brad On 11/21/2011 06:34 PM Flor Lynch said... What country keyboard layout? Press alt+shift (presumably the right alt key) to cycle between the different keyboard layouts on your computer. you could test the left alt key on a different keyboard layout should you have one. - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce That was the first thing I checked. It is set to Desktop :). I'm in no hurry to reinstall. I did try a different keyboard as well but it does same. I found out today however, that left alt key does work with the ctrl alt page up/down to change speech rate on the fly. I don't have any other adaptable software running other than Qwitter which I unloded thinking some strange key assignment came into play. I don't have any alternative scripts other than Skype scripts, but I had those on an older machine with no issue/conflict. Brad On 11/21/2011 02:21 PM Negoslav Sabev said... Really strange. So the next question is what keyboard layout is chosen in jaws basic options. Don't hurry reinstalling. Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce Regions and Language settings for the keyboard shows US English but good thought. What is strange is, the left ALT key works in every other situation I've tried, plus this: if you go into help mode with insert 1, and press Insert + rightAlt key + down arrow, Jaws help tells you it will read in an alternative voice. If however, you press insert + leftAlt + down arrow, it says nothing. Conversely, if you press insert, + either right or left alt key, + s key for instance, the result is the same, gives you the voice profile box, or help if in help mode. So it appears it is a Jaws issue specific to that hot key combination somehow rather than a keyboard or settings issue. I'd not found it an issue anywhere else. I can live with it, but yes maybe down the road if I get some time, I'll save my settings somewhere and un-, re-install Jaws and see if that helps. Appreciate your taking some idea swings at it though. Brad On 11/20/2011 07:20 AM Negoslav Sabev said... Both alt keys are working here. Maybe the keyboard language layout is messing here. What input language do you use - US? If yes, wich variant - just US, international. The same logic - UK or somethin else? Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce Ok mystery solved but still weird. I've always used the left alt key for this combination, I'd be curious what you use. Jaws is not recognizing the left alt key in these key combos. The alt key works by itself and with other non-Jaws key combination hot keys I've set up for apps and such, but it will not work for this or other Jaws features. It does work with the right alt key. Additionally I do not have differentiate between left and right paired keys set in the settings manager so it ought not make a difference. brad On 11/19/2011 01:26 PM Negoslav Sabev said... First, the settings are in jaws/options.voices/voice adjustment. Second, if you adjust the speech synthesizer (alt+l) and choose sapi5, it will work by pressing insert+down arrow. If you set it to default it works by pressing alt+insert+down arrow. I can't comment if windows7 voice is the problem - probably not. I use sapi5 voice and it's ok. I think you just need to press alt+down arrow with your settings. Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alternate vioce OK well then I must not have something set
Re: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce
Really strange. So the next question is what keyboard layout is chosen in jaws basic options. Don't hurry reinstalling. Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce Regions and Language settings for the keyboard shows US English but good thought. What is strange is, the left ALT key works in every other situation I've tried, plus this: if you go into help mode with insert 1, and press Insert + rightAlt key + down arrow, Jaws help tells you it will read in an alternative voice. If however, you press insert + leftAlt + down arrow, it says nothing. Conversely, if you press insert, + either right or left alt key, + s key for instance, the result is the same, gives you the voice profile box, or help if in help mode. So it appears it is a Jaws issue specific to that hot key combination somehow rather than a keyboard or settings issue. I'd not found it an issue anywhere else. I can live with it, but yes maybe down the road if I get some time, I'll save my settings somewhere and un-, re-install Jaws and see if that helps. Appreciate your taking some idea swings at it though. Brad On 11/20/2011 07:20 AM Negoslav Sabev said... Both alt keys are working here. Maybe the keyboard language layout is messing here. What input language do you use - US? If yes, wich variant - just US, international. The same logic - UK or somethin else? Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce Ok mystery solved but still weird. I've always used the left alt key for this combination, I'd be curious what you use. Jaws is not recognizing the left alt key in these key combos. The alt key works by itself and with other non-Jaws key combination hot keys I've set up for apps and such, but it will not work for this or other Jaws features. It does work with the right alt key. Additionally I do not have differentiate between left and right paired keys set in the settings manager so it ought not make a difference. brad On 11/19/2011 01:26 PM Negoslav Sabev said... First, the settings are in jaws/options.voices/voice adjustment. Second, if you adjust the speech synthesizer (alt+l) and choose sapi5, it will work by pressing insert+down arrow. If you set it to default it works by pressing alt+insert+down arrow. I can't comment if windows7 voice is the problem - probably not. I use sapi5 voice and it's ok. I think you just need to press alt+down arrow with your settings. Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alternate vioce OK well then I must not have something set correct. But where it is, is the issue. I can find no place to set the synthesizer for Say All as the help described in the Settings Manager. Are we talkking in the Jaws menus/Options/Voices area? Or the voice profile area with Insert Ctrl S, which is kind of one in same? I hsow Elequnce and one of the SAPI voices in the latter. But my choice is to set either one of those as defaultin the first combo box and then the second combo box is for default for the particular application I launch the voice profile from. . Currently Elequence is for both so it ought be switching to the Sapi voice with ALT Insert Down arrow, but it doesn't. Unless I'm missing it, it would be helpful to have synthesizer/voice options in the settings manager, as some of the settings are scattered about making it unsure where to find some of them. Brad On 11/19/2011 10:43 AM Negoslav Sabev said... The option is still alive and kicking. Right from the jfw 13 help Voice Adjustment Say All Group Box JAWS can immediately switch from one synthesizer, for example, Eloquence Software, to another, such as SAPI 5 or RealSpeak Solo Direct, when using the Say All command (INSERT+DOWN ARROW). While the default Eloquence voice may be useful for reading and navigating short text such as prior or next line, sentence, or paragraph, it may not be the preferred voice for longer passages of text. The SAPI 5 or RealSpeak Solo Direct voice chosen remains active during the Say All even as you fast forward, rewind, speed up, or slow down. However, when you stop the Say All, the Eloquence voice returns. Use the following controls in the Say All group to set preferences for how the Say All command works. Speech Synthesizer Use this combo box to select the synthesizer used for Say All. Select either Default, SAPI 5, or RealSpeak Solo Direct. When using Default, all other controls in the Say All group are unavailable. Also, note that RealSpeak Solo Direct is only available if you have downloaded
Re: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce
That was the first thing I checked. It is set to Desktop :). I'm in no hurry to reinstall. I did try a different keyboard as well but it does same. I found out today however, that left alt key does work with the ctrl alt page up/down to change speech rate on the fly. I don't have any other adaptable software running other than Qwitter which I unloded thinking some strange key assignment came into play. I don't have any alternative scripts other than Skype scripts, but I had those on an older machine with no issue/conflict. Brad On 11/21/2011 02:21 PM Negoslav Sabev said... Really strange. So the next question is what keyboard layout is chosen in jaws basic options. Don't hurry reinstalling. Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce Regions and Language settings for the keyboard shows US English but good thought. What is strange is, the left ALT key works in every other situation I've tried, plus this: if you go into help mode with insert 1, and press Insert + rightAlt key + down arrow, Jaws help tells you it will read in an alternative voice. If however, you press insert + leftAlt + down arrow, it says nothing. Conversely, if you press insert, + either right or left alt key, + s key for instance, the result is the same, gives you the voice profile box, or help if in help mode. So it appears it is a Jaws issue specific to that hot key combination somehow rather than a keyboard or settings issue. I'd not found it an issue anywhere else. I can live with it, but yes maybe down the road if I get some time, I'll save my settings somewhere and un-, re-install Jaws and see if that helps. Appreciate your taking some idea swings at it though. Brad On 11/20/2011 07:20 AM Negoslav Sabev said... Both alt keys are working here. Maybe the keyboard language layout is messing here. What input language do you use - US? If yes, wich variant - just US, international. The same logic - UK or somethin else? Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce Ok mystery solved but still weird. I've always used the left alt key for this combination, I'd be curious what you use. Jaws is not recognizing the left alt key in these key combos. The alt key works by itself and with other non-Jaws key combination hot keys I've set up for apps and such, but it will not work for this or other Jaws features. It does work with the right alt key. Additionally I do not have differentiate between left and right paired keys set in the settings manager so it ought not make a difference. brad On 11/19/2011 01:26 PM Negoslav Sabev said... First, the settings are in jaws/options.voices/voice adjustment. Second, if you adjust the speech synthesizer (alt+l) and choose sapi5, it will work by pressing insert+down arrow. If you set it to default it works by pressing alt+insert+down arrow. I can't comment if windows7 voice is the problem - probably not. I use sapi5 voice and it's ok. I think you just need to press alt+down arrow with your settings. Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alternate vioce OK well then I must not have something set correct. But where it is, is the issue. I can find no place to set the synthesizer for Say All as the help described in the Settings Manager. Are we talkking in the Jaws menus/Options/Voices area? Or the voice profile area with Insert Ctrl S, which is kind of one in same? I hsow Elequnce and one of the SAPI voices in the latter. But my choice is to set either one of those as defaultin the first combo box and then the second combo box is for default for the particular application I launch the voice profile from. . Currently Elequence is for both so it ought be switching to the Sapi voice with ALT Insert Down arrow, but it doesn't. Unless I'm missing it, it would be helpful to have synthesizer/voice options in the settings manager, as some of the settings are scattered about making it unsure where to find some of them. Brad On 11/19/2011 10:43 AM Negoslav Sabev said... The option is still alive and kicking. Right from the jfw 13 help Voice Adjustment Say All Group Box JAWS can immediately switch from one synthesizer, for example, Eloquence Software, to another, such as SAPI 5 or RealSpeak Solo Direct, when using the Say All command (INSERT+DOWN ARROW). While the default Eloquence voice may be useful for reading and navigating short text such as prior or next line, sentence, or paragraph, it may not be the preferred voice for longer passages of text. The SAPI 5
Re: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce
What country keyboard layout? Press alt+shift (presumably the right alt key) to cycle between the different keyboard layouts on your computer. you could test the left alt key on a different keyboard layout should you have one. - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce That was the first thing I checked. It is set to Desktop :). I'm in no hurry to reinstall. I did try a different keyboard as well but it does same. I found out today however, that left alt key does work with the ctrl alt page up/down to change speech rate on the fly. I don't have any other adaptable software running other than Qwitter which I unloded thinking some strange key assignment came into play. I don't have any alternative scripts other than Skype scripts, but I had those on an older machine with no issue/conflict. Brad On 11/21/2011 02:21 PM Negoslav Sabev said... Really strange. So the next question is what keyboard layout is chosen in jaws basic options. Don't hurry reinstalling. Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce Regions and Language settings for the keyboard shows US English but good thought. What is strange is, the left ALT key works in every other situation I've tried, plus this: if you go into help mode with insert 1, and press Insert + rightAlt key + down arrow, Jaws help tells you it will read in an alternative voice. If however, you press insert + leftAlt + down arrow, it says nothing. Conversely, if you press insert, + either right or left alt key, + s key for instance, the result is the same, gives you the voice profile box, or help if in help mode. So it appears it is a Jaws issue specific to that hot key combination somehow rather than a keyboard or settings issue. I'd not found it an issue anywhere else. I can live with it, but yes maybe down the road if I get some time, I'll save my settings somewhere and un-, re-install Jaws and see if that helps. Appreciate your taking some idea swings at it though. Brad On 11/20/2011 07:20 AM Negoslav Sabev said... Both alt keys are working here. Maybe the keyboard language layout is messing here. What input language do you use - US? If yes, wich variant - just US, international. The same logic - UK or somethin else? Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce Ok mystery solved but still weird. I've always used the left alt key for this combination, I'd be curious what you use. Jaws is not recognizing the left alt key in these key combos. The alt key works by itself and with other non-Jaws key combination hot keys I've set up for apps and such, but it will not work for this or other Jaws features. It does work with the right alt key. Additionally I do not have differentiate between left and right paired keys set in the settings manager so it ought not make a difference. brad On 11/19/2011 01:26 PM Negoslav Sabev said... First, the settings are in jaws/options.voices/voice adjustment. Second, if you adjust the speech synthesizer (alt+l) and choose sapi5, it will work by pressing insert+down arrow. If you set it to default it works by pressing alt+insert+down arrow. I can't comment if windows7 voice is the problem - probably not. I use sapi5 voice and it's ok. I think you just need to press alt+down arrow with your settings. Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alternate vioce OK well then I must not have something set correct. But where it is, is the issue. I can find no place to set the synthesizer for Say All as the help described in the Settings Manager. Are we talkking in the Jaws menus/Options/Voices area? Or the voice profile area with Insert Ctrl S, which is kind of one in same? I hsow Elequnce and one of the SAPI voices in the latter. But my choice is to set either one of those as defaultin the first combo box and then the second combo box is for default for the particular application I launch the voice profile from. . Currently Elequence is for both so it ought be switching to the Sapi voice with ALT Insert Down arrow, but it doesn't. Unless I'm missing it, it would be helpful to have synthesizer/voice options in the settings manager, as some of the settings are scattered about making it unsure where to find some of them. Brad On 11/19/2011 10:43 AM Negoslav Sabev said... The option
Re: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce
Flor, I think you had a missing key there :). Indeed I've checked both of those previously ;). Brad On 11/21/2011 06:34 PM Flor Lynch said... What country keyboard layout? Press alt+shift (presumably the right alt key) to cycle between the different keyboard layouts on your computer. you could test the left alt key on a different keyboard layout should you have one. - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce That was the first thing I checked. It is set to Desktop :). I'm in no hurry to reinstall. I did try a different keyboard as well but it does same. I found out today however, that left alt key does work with the ctrl alt page up/down to change speech rate on the fly. I don't have any other adaptable software running other than Qwitter which I unloded thinking some strange key assignment came into play. I don't have any alternative scripts other than Skype scripts, but I had those on an older machine with no issue/conflict. Brad On 11/21/2011 02:21 PM Negoslav Sabev said... Really strange. So the next question is what keyboard layout is chosen in jaws basic options. Don't hurry reinstalling. Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce Regions and Language settings for the keyboard shows US English but good thought. What is strange is, the left ALT key works in every other situation I've tried, plus this: if you go into help mode with insert 1, and press Insert + rightAlt key + down arrow, Jaws help tells you it will read in an alternative voice. If however, you press insert + leftAlt + down arrow, it says nothing. Conversely, if you press insert, + either right or left alt key, + s key for instance, the result is the same, gives you the voice profile box, or help if in help mode. So it appears it is a Jaws issue specific to that hot key combination somehow rather than a keyboard or settings issue. I'd not found it an issue anywhere else. I can live with it, but yes maybe down the road if I get some time, I'll save my settings somewhere and un-, re-install Jaws and see if that helps. Appreciate your taking some idea swings at it though. Brad On 11/20/2011 07:20 AM Negoslav Sabev said... Both alt keys are working here. Maybe the keyboard language layout is messing here. What input language do you use - US? If yes, wich variant - just US, international. The same logic - UK or somethin else? Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce Ok mystery solved but still weird. I've always used the left alt key for this combination, I'd be curious what you use. Jaws is not recognizing the left alt key in these key combos. The alt key works by itself and with other non-Jaws key combination hot keys I've set up for apps and such, but it will not work for this or other Jaws features. It does work with the right alt key. Additionally I do not have differentiate between left and right paired keys set in the settings manager so it ought not make a difference. brad On 11/19/2011 01:26 PM Negoslav Sabev said... First, the settings are in jaws/options.voices/voice adjustment. Second, if you adjust the speech synthesizer (alt+l) and choose sapi5, it will work by pressing insert+down arrow. If you set it to default it works by pressing alt+insert+down arrow. I can't comment if windows7 voice is the problem - probably not. I use sapi5 voice and it's ok. I think you just need to press alt+down arrow with your settings. Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alternate vioce OK well then I must not have something set correct. But where it is, is the issue. I can find no place to set the synthesizer for Say All as the help described in the Settings Manager. Are we talkking in the Jaws menus/Options/Voices area? Or the voice profile area with Insert Ctrl S, which is kind of one in same? I hsow Elequnce and one of the SAPI voices in the latter. But my choice is to set either one of those as defaultin the first combo box and then the second combo box is for default for the particular application I launch the voice profile from. . Currently Elequence is for both so it ought be switching to the Sapi voice with ALT Insert Down arrow, but it doesn't. Unless I'm missing it, it would be helpful to have synthesizer/voice options in the settings manager, as some of the settings are scattered about making
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Then try changing the keystroke in keyboard manager. 1. press insert+8 from keyboard row. Keyboard manager will open. 2. press ctrl+shift+d to open the default file. 3. press tab to go in the list of keystrokes. 4. press ctrl+f to find specific keystroke. 5. Press the keystroke that works for you to read with alternate voice and press enter. 6. When it finds it press ctrl+a to change it. 7. Press the keystroke you want from now on and press enter. Hope this helps. Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce That was the first thing I checked. It is set to Desktop :). I'm in no hurry to reinstall. I did try a different keyboard as well but it does same. I found out today however, that left alt key does work with the ctrl alt page up/down to change speech rate on the fly. I don't have any other adaptable software running other than Qwitter which I unloded thinking some strange key assignment came into play. I don't have any alternative scripts other than Skype scripts, but I had those on an older machine with no issue/conflict. Brad On 11/21/2011 02:21 PM Negoslav Sabev said... Really strange. So the next question is what keyboard layout is chosen in jaws basic options. Don't hurry reinstalling. Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce Regions and Language settings for the keyboard shows US English but good thought. What is strange is, the left ALT key works in every other situation I've tried, plus this: if you go into help mode with insert 1, and press Insert + rightAlt key + down arrow, Jaws help tells you it will read in an alternative voice. If however, you press insert + leftAlt + down arrow, it says nothing. Conversely, if you press insert, + either right or left alt key, + s key for instance, the result is the same, gives you the voice profile box, or help if in help mode. So it appears it is a Jaws issue specific to that hot key combination somehow rather than a keyboard or settings issue. I'd not found it an issue anywhere else. I can live with it, but yes maybe down the road if I get some time, I'll save my settings somewhere and un-, re-install Jaws and see if that helps. Appreciate your taking some idea swings at it though. Brad On 11/20/2011 07:20 AM Negoslav Sabev said... Both alt keys are working here. Maybe the keyboard language layout is messing here. What input language do you use - US? If yes, wich variant - just US, international. The same logic - UK or somethin else? Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce Ok mystery solved but still weird. I've always used the left alt key for this combination, I'd be curious what you use. Jaws is not recognizing the left alt key in these key combos. The alt key works by itself and with other non-Jaws key combination hot keys I've set up for apps and such, but it will not work for this or other Jaws features. It does work with the right alt key. Additionally I do not have differentiate between left and right paired keys set in the settings manager so it ought not make a difference. brad On 11/19/2011 01:26 PM Negoslav Sabev said... First, the settings are in jaws/options.voices/voice adjustment. Second, if you adjust the speech synthesizer (alt+l) and choose sapi5, it will work by pressing insert+down arrow. If you set it to default it works by pressing alt+insert+down arrow. I can't comment if windows7 voice is the problem - probably not. I use sapi5 voice and it's ok. I think you just need to press alt+down arrow with your settings. Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alternate vioce OK well then I must not have something set correct. But where it is, is the issue. I can find no place to set the synthesizer for Say All as the help described in the Settings Manager. Are we talkking in the Jaws menus/Options/Voices area? Or the voice profile area with Insert Ctrl S, which is kind of one in same? I hsow Elequnce and one of the SAPI voices in the latter. But my choice is to set either one of those as defaultin the first combo box and then the second combo box is for default for the particular application I launch the voice profile from. . Currently Elequence is for both so it ought be switching to the Sapi voice with ALT Insert Down arrow, but it doesn't. Unless I'm missing
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Both alt keys are working here. Maybe the keyboard language layout is messing here. What input language do you use - US? If yes, wich variant - just US, international. The same logic - UK or somethin else? Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce Ok mystery solved but still weird. I've always used the left alt key for this combination, I'd be curious what you use. Jaws is not recognizing the left alt key in these key combos. The alt key works by itself and with other non-Jaws key combination hot keys I've set up for apps and such, but it will not work for this or other Jaws features. It does work with the right alt key. Additionally I do not have differentiate between left and right paired keys set in the settings manager so it ought not make a difference. brad On 11/19/2011 01:26 PM Negoslav Sabev said... First, the settings are in jaws/options.voices/voice adjustment. Second, if you adjust the speech synthesizer (alt+l) and choose sapi5, it will work by pressing insert+down arrow. If you set it to default it works by pressing alt+insert+down arrow. I can't comment if windows7 voice is the problem - probably not. I use sapi5 voice and it's ok. I think you just need to press alt+down arrow with your settings. Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alternate vioce OK well then I must not have something set correct. But where it is, is the issue. I can find no place to set the synthesizer for Say All as the help described in the Settings Manager. Are we talkking in the Jaws menus/Options/Voices area? Or the voice profile area with Insert Ctrl S, which is kind of one in same? I hsow Elequnce and one of the SAPI voices in the latter. But my choice is to set either one of those as defaultin the first combo box and then the second combo box is for default for the particular application I launch the voice profile from. . Currently Elequence is for both so it ought be switching to the Sapi voice with ALT Insert Down arrow, but it doesn't. Unless I'm missing it, it would be helpful to have synthesizer/voice options in the settings manager, as some of the settings are scattered about making it unsure where to find some of them. Brad On 11/19/2011 10:43 AM Negoslav Sabev said... The option is still alive and kicking. Right from the jfw 13 help Voice Adjustment Say All Group Box JAWS can immediately switch from one synthesizer, for example, Eloquence Software, to another, such as SAPI 5 or RealSpeak Solo Direct, when using the Say All command (INSERT+DOWN ARROW). While the default Eloquence voice may be useful for reading and navigating short text such as prior or next line, sentence, or paragraph, it may not be the preferred voice for longer passages of text. The SAPI 5 or RealSpeak Solo Direct voice chosen remains active during the Say All even as you fast forward, rewind, speed up, or slow down. However, when you stop the Say All, the Eloquence voice returns. Use the following controls in the Say All group to set preferences for how the Say All command works. Speech Synthesizer Use this combo box to select the synthesizer used for Say All. Select either Default, SAPI 5, or RealSpeak Solo Direct. When using Default, all other controls in the Say All group are unavailable. Also, note that RealSpeak Solo Direct is only available if you have downloaded and installed a RealSpeak Solo Direct voice. If the Say All synthesizer is Default, then either SAPI 5 or RealSpeak Solo Direct will be used for an Alternate Say All (ALT+INSERT+DOWN ARROW). If either SAPI 5 or RealSpeak Solo Direct is selected, the Default synthesizer is used for Alternate Say All. Rate Use this slider to select a comfortable speech rate for the Say All voice. PAGE DOWN and PAGE UP change the rate of speech by larger increments, while the UP ARROW and DOWN ARROW keys make more gradual changes. Punctuation Use this list to set the punctuation level used by JAWS when the Say All voice speaks. Use the UP or DOWN ARROW keys to select a punctuation level. The options available are None, Some, Most, which is the default, and All. Person The Person combo box lets you to select which SAPI 5 or RealSpeak Solo Direct synthesizer voice to use for Say All. Pitch The Pitch slider allows you to adjust the pitch for the currently selected voice. Note that some SAPI5 and RealSpeak Solo Direct synthesizers do not support pitch change like Eloquence and some other hardware and software synthesizers. Volume Use the slider to increase or decrease the Say All speech volume. The DOWN ARROW , LEFT ARROW, and PAGE DOWN keys decrease volume
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Regions and Language settings for the keyboard shows US English but good thought. What is strange is, the left ALT key works in every other situation I've tried, plus this: if you go into help mode with insert 1, and press Insert + rightAlt key + down arrow, Jaws help tells you it will read in an alternative voice. If however, you press insert + leftAlt + down arrow, it says nothing. Conversely, if you press insert, + either right or left alt key, + s key for instance, the result is the same, gives you the voice profile box, or help if in help mode. So it appears it is a Jaws issue specific to that hot key combination somehow rather than a keyboard or settings issue. I'd not found it an issue anywhere else. I can live with it, but yes maybe down the road if I get some time, I'll save my settings somewhere and un-, re-install Jaws and see if that helps. Appreciate your taking some idea swings at it though. Brad On 11/20/2011 07:20 AM Negoslav Sabev said... Both alt keys are working here. Maybe the keyboard language layout is messing here. What input language do you use - US? If yes, wich variant - just US, international. The same logic - UK or somethin else? Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce Ok mystery solved but still weird. I've always used the left alt key for this combination, I'd be curious what you use. Jaws is not recognizing the left alt key in these key combos. The alt key works by itself and with other non-Jaws key combination hot keys I've set up for apps and such, but it will not work for this or other Jaws features. It does work with the right alt key. Additionally I do not have differentiate between left and right paired keys set in the settings manager so it ought not make a difference. brad On 11/19/2011 01:26 PM Negoslav Sabev said... First, the settings are in jaws/options.voices/voice adjustment. Second, if you adjust the speech synthesizer (alt+l) and choose sapi5, it will work by pressing insert+down arrow. If you set it to default it works by pressing alt+insert+down arrow. I can't comment if windows7 voice is the problem - probably not. I use sapi5 voice and it's ok. I think you just need to press alt+down arrow with your settings. Negoslav - Original Message - From: Brad Dunse' li...@braddunsemusic.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Alternate vioce OK well then I must not have something set correct. But where it is, is the issue. I can find no place to set the synthesizer for Say All as the help described in the Settings Manager. Are we talkking in the Jaws menus/Options/Voices area? Or the voice profile area with Insert Ctrl S, which is kind of one in same? I hsow Elequnce and one of the SAPI voices in the latter. But my choice is to set either one of those as defaultin the first combo box and then the second combo box is for default for the particular application I launch the voice profile from. . Currently Elequence is for both so it ought be switching to the Sapi voice with ALT Insert Down arrow, but it doesn't. Unless I'm missing it, it would be helpful to have synthesizer/voice options in the settings manager, as some of the settings are scattered about making it unsure where to find some of them. Brad On 11/19/2011 10:43 AM Negoslav Sabev said... The option is still alive and kicking. Right from the jfw 13 help Voice Adjustment Say All Group Box JAWS can immediately switch from one synthesizer, for example, Eloquence Software, to another, such as SAPI 5 or RealSpeak Solo Direct, when using the Say All command (INSERT+DOWN ARROW). While the default Eloquence voice may be useful for reading and navigating short text such as prior or next line, sentence, or paragraph, it may not be the preferred voice for longer passages of text. The SAPI 5 or RealSpeak Solo Direct voice chosen remains active during the Say All even as you fast forward, rewind, speed up, or slow down. However, when you stop the Say All, the Eloquence voice returns. Use the following controls in the Say All group to set preferences for how the Say All command works. Speech Synthesizer Use this combo box to select the synthesizer used for Say All. Select either Default, SAPI 5, or RealSpeak Solo Direct. When using Default, all other controls in the Say All group are unavailable. Also, note that RealSpeak Solo Direct is only available if you have downloaded and installed a RealSpeak Solo Direct voice. If the Say All synthesizer is Default, then either SAPI 5 or RealSpeak Solo Direct will be used for an Alternate Say All (ALT+INSERT+DOWN ARROW). If either SAPI 5 or RealSpeak Solo Direct is selected, the Default synthesizer is used for Alternate
