Re: [JAWS-Users] Solved with question/ was Re: Alternate vioce

Tue, 22 Nov 2011 06:49:42 -0800

Ah OK. Not sure what an "alt-gr" is :), but such alt-ctrl combinations on either side of the spacebar are used with other keys. Thanks for the suggestion, I did diddle with them in case something was awry with the US English keyboard setting in control panel. ;) 

Brad



On 11/22/2011  06:25 AM Flor Lynch said...
Well, in the UK and Ireland our right alt key is given the alt-gr, or control + alt keys put together in one, functionality, which often forms the basis for accented letters. The left alt key by itself is then absolutely necessary. 

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Flor,
I think you had a missing key there :). Indeed I've checked both of those previously ;). 

Brad

On 11/21/2011  06:34 PM Flor Lynch said...
What country keyboard layout? Press alt+shift (presumably the right alt key) to cycle between the different keyboard layouts on your computer. you could test the left alt key on a different keyboard layout should you have one. 

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That was the first thing I checked. It is set to Desktop :). I'm in no hurry to reinstall. I did try a different keyboard as well but it does same. I found out today however, that left alt key does work with the ctrl alt page up/down to change speech rate on the fly. I don't have any other adaptable software running other than Qwitter which I unloded thinking some strange key assignment came into play. I don't have any alternative scripts other than Skype scripts, but I had those on an older machine with no issue/conflict. 

Brad

On 11/21/2011  02:21 PM Negoslav Sabev said...

Really strange. So the next question is what keyboard layout is chosen in
jaws
basic options.
Don't hurry reinstalling.
Negoslav
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Regions and Language settings for the keyboard shows US English but good
thought. What is strange is, the left ALT key works in every other
situation I've tried, plus this: if you go into help mode with insert 1, 
and press Insert + rightAlt key + down arrow, Jaws help tells you it will
read in an alternative voice. If however, you press insert + leftAlt +
down arrow, it says nothing. Conversely, if you press insert, + either
right or left alt key, + "s" key for instance, the result is the same,
gives you the voice profile box,  or help if in help mode. So it appears
it is a Jaws issue specific to that hot key combination somehow rather
than a keyboard or settings issue. I'd not found it an issue anywhere
else. I can live with it, but yes maybe down the road if I get some time, 
I'll save my settings somewhere and un-, re-install Jaws and see if that
helps. Appreciate your taking some idea swings at it though.

Brad


On 11/20/2011  07:20 AM Negoslav Sabev said...

Both alt keys are working here. Maybe the keyboard language layout is
messing here. What input language do you use - US? If yes, wich variant - 
just US, international. The same logic - UK or somethin else?

Negoslav

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Ok mystery solved but still weird. I've always used the left alt key for 
this combination, I'd be curious what you use. Jaws is not recognizing
the left alt key in these key combos. The alt key works by itself and
with other non-Jaws key combination hot keys I've set up for apps and
such, but it will not work for this or other Jaws features. It does work with the right alt key. Additionally I do not have "differentiate between left and right paired keys" set in the settings manager so it ought not 
make a difference.

brad

On 11/19/2011  01:26 PM Negoslav Sabev said...

First, the settings are in jaws/options.voices/voice adjustment.
Second, if you adjust the speech synthesizer (alt+l) and choose sapi5,
it will work by pressing insert+down arrow. If you set it  to default
it works by pressing alt+insert+down arrow.

I can't comment if windows7 voice is the problem - probably not. I use
sapi5 voice and it's ok. I think you just need to press alt+down arrow
with your settings.

Negoslav
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OK well then I must not have something set correct. But where it is, is 
the issue. I can find no place to set the synthesizer for Say All as
the help described in the Settings Manager. Are we talkking in the Jaws 
menus/Options/Voices area? Or the voice profile area with Insert Ctrl
S, which is kind of one in same? I hsow Elequnce and one of the SAPI 
voices in the latter. But  my choice is to set either one of those as
defaultin the first combo box and then the second combo box is for
default for the particular application I launch the voice profile from. . Currently Elequence is for both so it ought be switching to the Sapi 
voice with ALT Insert Down arrow, but it doesn't.
Unless I'm missing it, it would be helpful to have synthesizer/voice options in the settings manager, as some of the settings are scattered 
about making it unsure where to find some of them.

Brad

On 11/19/2011  10:43 AM Negoslav Sabev said...

The option is still alive and kicking.

Right from the jfw 13 help

Voice Adjustment
Say All Group Box
JAWS can immediately switch from one synthesizer, for example,
Eloquence Software, to another, such as SAPI 5 or RealSpeak Solo
Direct, when using the Say All command (INSERT+DOWN ARROW). While the default Eloquence voice may be useful for reading and navigating short text such as prior or next line, sentence, or paragraph, it may not be 
the preferred voice for longer passages of text. The SAPI 5 or
RealSpeak Solo Direct voice chosen remains active during the Say All
even as you fast forward, rewind, speed up, or slow down. However,
when you stop the Say All, the Eloquence voice returns.
Use the following controls in the Say All group to set preferences for 
how the Say All command works.

Speech Synthesizer
Use this combo box to select the synthesizer used for Say All. Select either Default, SAPI 5, or RealSpeak Solo Direct. When using Default, 
all other controls in the Say All group are unavailable. Also, note
that RealSpeak Solo Direct is only available if you have downloaded
and installed a RealSpeak Solo Direct voice.
If the Say All synthesizer is Default, then either SAPI 5 or RealSpeak 
Solo Direct will be used for an Alternate Say All (ALT+INSERT+DOWN
ARROW). If either SAPI 5 or RealSpeak Solo Direct is selected, the
Default synthesizer is used for Alternate Say All.

Rate
Use this slider to select a comfortable speech rate for the Say All
voice. PAGE DOWN and PAGE UP change the rate of speech by larger
increments, while the UP ARROW and DOWN ARROW keys make more gradual
changes.

Punctuation
Use this list to set the punctuation level used by JAWS when the Say
All voice speaks. Use the UP or DOWN ARROW keys to select a
punctuation level. The options available are None, Some, Most, which
is the default, and All.

Person
The Person combo box lets you to select which SAPI 5 or RealSpeak Solo 
Direct synthesizer voice to use for Say All.

Pitch
The Pitch slider allows you to adjust the pitch for the currently
selected voice. Note that some SAPI5 and RealSpeak Solo Direct
synthesizers do not support pitch change like Eloquence and some other 
hardware and software synthesizers.

Volume
Use the slider to increase or decrease the Say All speech volume. The 
DOWN ARROW , LEFT ARROW, and PAGE DOWN keys decrease volume, and the
UP ARROW, RIGHT ARROW, and PAGE UP keys increase volume.

OK
This button saves any changes made and then closes the Voice
Adjustment dialog box. This button is not available when changes are
made to any factory default voice profile template. You must use the
Save As button to save any changes made to a factory template.

Save As
Choose this button to save your current voice settings as part of a
voice profile. Type a name for your voice profile or select an
existing profile from the list. If you select an existing profile,
that profile's individual voice settings will be overwritten by the
new settings when you choose OK.

Apply
Use this button to apply and save any changes made to the voice
profile settings without exiting the Voice Adjustment dialog box.

Cancel
When you select this button, any changes you have made are discarded, 
and the Voice Adjustment dialog box closes.



Negoslav
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>>There use to be an option to press Alt Insert Down Arrow to >> >>read 
>>with an alternate voice such as SAPI instead of your >>default
>>Elequence, or vice versa. Did they change the hot key
or >>eliminate
>>the option all together? I'd not seen any reference to it >>in >>the >>settings unless I've missed it. It was nice to just quickly >> >>read 
>>using an alternate voice on some things without changing >>the
>>reading
>>profile. I'd not seen this option since V11 I think.
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