Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Humberto Rodriguez]

Yes Steve, I hear both of those work well too, I am happy now with
Googlegroups, have no bounces other than appropriate ones and have gotten
used to  directly adding or deleting subscribers without great difficulty.

It is a shame that current email practices, convoluted configurations and
unfair blacklists prevent us from using Mailman to manage lists on our own
domains, a solution both elegant and easy for us.

Regards,

Humberto


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 9:56 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

Umberto,

Right, I used to be on GoogleGroups.  The group I was referring to was on a 
mailman server though, and GoogleMail kept dropping users on an 
almost-weekly basis.

But, I got tired of having to use the Jaws cursor to click certain things in

the Googlegroups setup a few years ago and have since moved all my groups 
either to Freelists or Groups.io.


- Original Message - 
From: "Humberto Rodriguez" <s...@hrfinancial.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group


> Steve,
>
> That no longer happens with googlegroups.com and my experience is good 
> since
> I change to it over a year ago.  I run a fair size list and I had it as 
> you
> do, in my domain eiberoamerica.com using Mailman, a tool easy for us Jaws
> users to manage, but the number and frequency of bounces from Gmail and
> other providers finally made me try Googlegroups.  It is a little harder 
> to
> manage, but after you become familiar with it, it isn't too bad.  It lets
> you direct-add subscribers in chunks of 10, it used to have a captcha, but
> now it is only a question that you must check saying "I am not a robot" 
> and
> it also lets you easily invite people, in addition to the normal 
> procedures
> to subscribe and unsubscribe by email.  One difference is the use of the
> plus sign instead of slash, for instance, to subscribe to my list (which 
> is
> in Spanish, thus not recommended for those that do not read the language),
> is:
>
> radgen+subscr...@googlegroups.com
>
> Regards,
>
> Humberto
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
> Behalf Of Steve
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 4:52 PM
> To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group
>
> Miriam,
>
> I am one of the co-owners of the group that moved.  You are incorrect 
> about
> it not having problems with Gmail; that's the main reason Buddy and I 
> moved
> it.  It kept bouncing and disabling about eighty gmail users at a time;
> about three times in the final thirty days that the group existed using a
> mailman server.
>
> Steve
> ----- Original Message - 
> From: "Miriam Vieni" <miriamvi...@optonline.net>
> To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group
>
>
>>I just wanted to mention that the email list that Tom mentioned, which had
>>difficulties for a prolonged period of time, did not have problems with
>>people who had Gmail accounts. However, it, too, had its own server and
>>there were several providers, including mine, who blocked its messages as
>>spam. The problem was solved by moving the list to io Groups.
>>
>> Miriam
>>
>>
>>
>> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
>> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>>
>
>
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> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Steve]

Umberto,

Right, I used to be on GoogleGroups.  The group I was referring to was on a 
mailman server though, and GoogleMail kept dropping users on an 
almost-weekly basis.


But, I got tired of having to use the Jaws cursor to click certain things in 
the Googlegroups setup a few years ago and have since moved all my groups 
either to Freelists or Groups.io.



- Original Message - 
From: "Humberto Rodriguez" <s...@hrfinancial.com>

To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group



Steve,

That no longer happens with googlegroups.com and my experience is good 
since
I change to it over a year ago.  I run a fair size list and I had it as 
you

do, in my domain eiberoamerica.com using Mailman, a tool easy for us Jaws
users to manage, but the number and frequency of bounces from Gmail and
other providers finally made me try Googlegroups.  It is a little harder 
to

manage, but after you become familiar with it, it isn't too bad.  It lets
you direct-add subscribers in chunks of 10, it used to have a captcha, but
now it is only a question that you must check saying "I am not a robot" 
and
it also lets you easily invite people, in addition to the normal 
procedures

to subscribe and unsubscribe by email.  One difference is the use of the
plus sign instead of slash, for instance, to subscribe to my list (which 
is

in Spanish, thus not recommended for those that do not read the language),
is:

radgen+subscr...@googlegroups.com

Regards,

Humberto

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 4:52 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

Miriam,

I am one of the co-owners of the group that moved.  You are incorrect 
about
it not having problems with Gmail; that's the main reason Buddy and I 
moved

it.  It kept bouncing and disabling about eighty gmail users at a time;
about three times in the final thirty days that the group existed using a
mailman server.

Steve
- Original Message - 
From: "Miriam Vieni" <miriamvi...@optonline.net>

To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group



I just wanted to mention that the email list that Tom mentioned, which had
difficulties for a prolonged period of time, did not have problems with
people who had Gmail accounts. However, it, too, had its own server and
there were several providers, including mine, who blocked its messages as
spam. The problem was solved by moving the list to io Groups.

Miriam



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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Humberto Rodriguez]

Steve,

That no longer happens with googlegroups.com and my experience is good since
I change to it over a year ago.  I run a fair size list and I had it as you
do, in my domain eiberoamerica.com using Mailman, a tool easy for us Jaws
users to manage, but the number and frequency of bounces from Gmail and
other providers finally made me try Googlegroups.  It is a little harder to
manage, but after you become familiar with it, it isn't too bad.  It lets
you direct-add subscribers in chunks of 10, it used to have a captcha, but
now it is only a question that you must check saying "I am not a robot" and
it also lets you easily invite people, in addition to the normal procedures
to subscribe and unsubscribe by email.  One difference is the use of the
plus sign instead of slash, for instance, to subscribe to my list (which is
in Spanish, thus not recommended for those that do not read the language),
is:

radgen+subscr...@googlegroups.com

Regards,

Humberto

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 4:52 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

Miriam,

I am one of the co-owners of the group that moved.  You are incorrect about 
it not having problems with Gmail; that's the main reason Buddy and I moved 
it.  It kept bouncing and disabling about eighty gmail users at a time; 
about three times in the final thirty days that the group existed using a 
mailman server.

Steve
- Original Message - 
From: "Miriam Vieni" <miriamvi...@optonline.net>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group


>I just wanted to mention that the email list that Tom mentioned, which had 
>difficulties for a prolonged period of time, did not have problems with 
>people who had Gmail accounts. However, it, too, had its own server and 
>there were several providers, including mine, who blocked its messages as 
>spam. The problem was solved by moving the list to io Groups.
>
> Miriam
>
>
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
> 


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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Sherri]

I think I was one of those people, but things seem to be working well now. 
thanks for all you guys do.
Sherri
- Original Message - 
From: "David Ferrin" <ow...@jaws-users.com>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group


Thank you for the appreciative comments. It does help to give us a reason to
leave the check box not checked. What I mean is it is quite complicated to
configure such a mailing list it only takes a single check box to disable
the thing. Worry not, I still have this domain until January 2020 at this
point.

-Original Message- 
From: Michele Thredgold
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 7:44 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

Hi David. I'm sorry this has happened and perhaps this explains why I had
that incident a couple of weeks ago with this list's emails bouncing back,
since I am a gmail user. This time, however, I was lucky. I'm still hanging
in there; and if I was eject, I'd just re-subscribe. This list is indeed far
too valuable for me not to.

Cheers!

Michele

- Original Message -
From: David Ferrin  <ow...@jaws-users.com>
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Date: Friday, 21 July 2017 8:24 am
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

>
>
> We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from
> this domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162
> members today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them
> were using GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.
>
> We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it
> this morning.
>
> If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask
> them to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their
> white list or whatever they happen to call it.
>
> A few more days like this and there won't be much of a point in going on.
>
> I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can't fight city hall. In
> this case you can't fight being black listed.
> David Ferrin
> Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[David Ferrin]

Thank you for the appreciative comments. It does help to give us a reason to 
leave the check box not checked. What I mean is it is quite complicated to 
configure such a mailing list it only takes a single check box to disable 
the thing. Worry not, I still have this domain until January 2020 at this 
point.


-Original Message- 
From: Michele Thredgold

Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 7:44 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

Hi David. I'm sorry this has happened and perhaps this explains why I had 
that incident a couple of weeks ago with this list's emails bouncing back, 
since I am a gmail user. This time, however, I was lucky. I'm still hanging 
in there; and if I was eject, I'd just re-subscribe. This list is indeed far 
too valuable for me not to.


Cheers!

Michele

- Original Message -
From: David Ferrin  <ow...@jaws-users.com>
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Date: Friday, 21 July 2017 8:24 am
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group




We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from 
this domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 
members today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them 
were using GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.


We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it 
this morning.


If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask 
them to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their 
white list or whatever they happen to call it.


A few more days like this and there won't be much of a point in going on.

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can't fight city hall. In 
this case you can't fight being black listed.

David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Michele Thredgold]

Hi David. I'm sorry this has happened and perhaps this explains why I had that 
incident a couple of weeks ago with this list's emails bouncing back, since I 
am a gmail user. This time, however, I was lucky. I'm still hanging in there; 
and if I was eject, I'd just re-subscribe. This list is indeed far too valuable 
for me not to.

Cheers!

Michele 

- Original Message -
From: David Ferrin  
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Date: Friday, 21 July 2017 8:24 am
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

>
>
> We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
> domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members 
> today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using 
> GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure. 
> 
> We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it 
> this morning. 
> 
> If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them 
> to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white 
> list or whatever they happen to call it. 
> 
> A few more days like this and there won't be much of a point in going on. 
> 
> I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can't fight city hall. In this 
> case you can't fight being black listed. 
> David Ferrin
> Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Matthew Dyer]

Your message came through.

Matthew



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 5:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group


Testing someone respond. I get mail but I am not sure other are getting me.
-Original Message-
From: Steve
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 3:52 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

Miriam,

I am one of the co-owners of the group that moved.  You are incorrect about
it not having problems with Gmail; that's the main reason Buddy and I moved
it.  It kept bouncing and disabling about eighty gmail users at a time;
about three times in the final thirty days that the group existed using a
mailman server.

Steve
- Original Message -
From: "Miriam Vieni" <miriamvi...@optonline.net>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group


>I just wanted to mention that the email list that Tom mentioned, which had 
>difficulties for a prolonged period of time, did not have problems with 
>people who had Gmail accounts. However, it, too, had its own server and 
>there were several providers, including mine, who blocked its messages as 
>spam. The problem was solved by moving the list to io Groups.
>
> Miriam
>
>
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>


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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[REGilman]

Got you.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 5:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group


Testing someone respond. I get mail but I am not sure other are getting me.
-Original Message-
From: Steve
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 3:52 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

Miriam,

I am one of the co-owners of the group that moved.  You are incorrect about
it not having problems with Gmail; that's the main reason Buddy and I moved
it.  It kept bouncing and disabling about eighty gmail users at a time;
about three times in the final thirty days that the group existed using a
mailman server.

Steve
- Original Message -
From: "Miriam Vieni" <miriamvi...@optonline.net>
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group


>I just wanted to mention that the email list that Tom mentioned, which had 
>difficulties for a prolonged period of time, did not have problems with 
>people who had Gmail accounts. However, it, too, had its own server and 
>there were several providers, including mine, who blocked its messages as 
>spam. The problem was solved by moving the list to io Groups.
>
> Miriam
>
>
>
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
>


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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Holger Fiallo]

Testing someone respond. I get mail but I am not sure other are getting me.
-Original Message- 
From: Steve

Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 3:52 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

Miriam,

I am one of the co-owners of the group that moved.  You are incorrect about
it not having problems with Gmail; that's the main reason Buddy and I moved
it.  It kept bouncing and disabling about eighty gmail users at a time;
about three times in the final thirty days that the group existed using a
mailman server.

Steve
- Original Message - 
From: "Miriam Vieni" <miriamvi...@optonline.net>

To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group


I just wanted to mention that the email list that Tom mentioned, which had 
difficulties for a prolonged period of time, did not have problems with 
people who had Gmail accounts. However, it, too, had its own server and 
there were several providers, including mine, who blocked its messages as 
spam. The problem was solved by moving the list to io Groups.


Miriam



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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Steve]

Miriam,

I am one of the co-owners of the group that moved.  You are incorrect about 
it not having problems with Gmail; that's the main reason Buddy and I moved 
it.  It kept bouncing and disabling about eighty gmail users at a time; 
about three times in the final thirty days that the group existed using a 
mailman server.


Steve
- Original Message - 
From: "Miriam Vieni" <miriamvi...@optonline.net>

To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group


I just wanted to mention that the email list that Tom mentioned, which had 
difficulties for a prolonged period of time, did not have problems with 
people who had Gmail accounts. However, it, too, had its own server and 
there were several providers, including mine, who blocked its messages as 
spam. The problem was solved by moving the list to io Groups.


Miriam



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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Judy Jones]

I am with Gmail, and other than that single bounce, have had no problems.

Judy


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of David Ferrin
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members today 
just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using GMail 
with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure. 

We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it this 
morning. 

If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them to 
contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white list or 
whatever they happen to call it. 

A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on. 

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
case you can’t fight being black listed. 
David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[andy]

I am also using gmail, through outlook or outlook express, I can never keep 
them straight, windows eight and jaws 16... I am still getting messeges... 


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of AndrewDS
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 12:48 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group


I second that emotion or third it, Robin & Vict.. oops I mean Scorpio..
Andrew
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Robin Frost
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 8:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

Hi,
I'm reporting in to say I'm here too and read you loud and clear good buddy. 
sorry couldn’t resist. Here's hoping it lasts (smile).
Robin


-Original Message-
From: Scorpio
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

David, was this with all G-mail users, or just some of them.

I'm using G-mail for the Jaws Users list, but I still received your message, 
which leads me to assume that I'm still on the list.

Can you confirm?

Scorpio

-Original Message-
From: David Ferrin
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members today 
just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using GMail 
with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.

We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it this 
morning.

If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them to 
contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white list or 
whatever they happen to call it.

A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
case you can’t fight being black listed.
David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[David Ferrin]

Thank you, good to know that folks are doing what needs to be done.

-Original Message- 
From: Christine Murphy

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:15 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

I was bounced from the list last night but I reinstated myself today without 
a problem.  I use Gmail.


Chris Murphy



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members 
today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using 
GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.


We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it 
this morning.


If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them 
to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white 
list or whatever they happen to call it.


A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
case you can’t fight being black listed.

David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


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http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


David Ferrin
You don't have to be crazy to run a list like this, but it does help. 



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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Rebecca Ilniski]

I've seen a lot of lists move over to groups.io. It's free and 
reliable very easy to use.


Rebecca Ilniski and Guide Dog Zeb
email: rilni...@gmail.com
Twitter: applegirl1994
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On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 10:46 PM -0400, "Miriam Vieni" 
 wrote:










I just wanted to mention that the email list that Tom mentioned, which had 
difficulties for a prolonged period of time, did not have problems with people 
who had Gmail accounts. However, it, too, had its own server and there were 
several providers, including mine, who blocked its messages as spam. The 
problem was solved by moving the list to io Groups.

Miriam 



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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Rebecca Ilniski]

I got the bounce notification sometime last week but just 
reactivated my account.


Rebecca Ilniski and Guide Dog Zeb
email: rilni...@gmail.com
Twitter: applegirl1994
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On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 10:25 PM -0400, "Christine Murphy"  
wrote:










I was bounced from the list last night but I reinstated myself today without a 
problem.  I use Gmail.  

Chris Murphy



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of David Ferrin
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members today 
just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using GMail 
with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure. 

We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it this 
morning. 

If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them to 
contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white list or 
whatever they happen to call it. 

A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on. 

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
case you can’t fight being black listed. 
David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


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http://www.jaws-users.com/help/




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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[AndrewDS]

I second that emotion or third it, Robin & Vict.. oops I mean Scorpio..
Andrew
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Robin Frost
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 8:18 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

Hi,
I'm reporting in to say I'm here too and read you loud and clear good buddy. 
sorry couldn’t resist. Here's hoping it lasts (smile).
Robin


-Original Message-
From: Scorpio
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

David, was this with all G-mail users, or just some of them.

I'm using G-mail for the Jaws Users list, but I still received your message, 
which leads me to assume that I'm still on the list.

Can you confirm?

Scorpio

-Original Message-
From: David Ferrin
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members today 
just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using GMail 
with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.

We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it this 
morning.

If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them to 
contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white list or 
whatever they happen to call it.

A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
case you can’t fight being black listed.
David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
I'm reporting in to say I'm here too and read you loud and clear good buddy. 
sorry couldn’t resist. Here's hoping it lasts (smile).

Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Scorpio

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

David, was this with all G-mail users, or just some of them.

I'm using G-mail for the Jaws Users list, but I still received your message,
which leads me to assume that I'm still on the list.

Can you confirm?

Scorpio

-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members
today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using
GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.

We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it
this morning.

If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them
to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white
list or whatever they happen to call it.

A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this
case you can’t fight being black listed.
David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[ratshtron]

hmmm, no problem here with my gmail.com account. receiving list mail just fine.


Legend has it that on Thursday 7/20/2017 05:54 PM, David Ferrin said:

We have been hit in the past by email providers 
bouncing messages from this domain, but today 
ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 
members today just under 25% of our total 
subscribers. Almost all of them were using GMail 
with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good 
measure. We have never had a problem with GMail 
before but they sure made up for it this 
morning. If anybody has contact with one of the 
people who have been removed ask them to contact 
GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed 
on their white list or whatever they happen to 
call it. A few more days like this and there 
won’t be much of a point in going on. I 
remember as a little boy my dad saying you 
can’t fight city hall. In this case you 
can’t fight being black listed. David Ferrin 
Life is what happens after you have already made 
other plans. For answers to frequently asked 
questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
 



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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Miriam Vieni]

I just wanted to mention that the email list that Tom mentioned, which had 
difficulties for a prolonged period of time, did not have problems with people 
who had Gmail accounts. However, it, too, had its own server and there were 
several providers, including mine, who blocked its messages as spam. The 
problem was solved by moving the list to io Groups.

Miriam 



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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[David Ferrin]

Over the years we started out on Yahoo, then moved to Google groups. Then 
went to Mailman and once or twice I don't even remember any more moved it 
again to other Mailman servers. The last time almost 9 years ago.


Those last take some serious time to configure before making the change. 
We'll stick it out on the current server for the present time as I have a 
good deal going.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Behler

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 8:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

David:

For what it's worth, I have a g-mail address, and I continue to be good on 
the list, at least as far as I can tell.


However, I was a member of another e-mail list that had this exact problem, 
and the list ended up moving to the groups.io server.


Let's hope things settle down again.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members 
today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using 
GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.


We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it 
this morning.


If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them 
to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white 
list or whatever they happen to call it.


A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
case you can’t fight being black listed.

David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


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http://www.jaws-users.com/help/



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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Christine Murphy]

I was bounced from the list last night but I reinstated myself today without a 
problem.  I use Gmail.  

Chris Murphy



-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of David Ferrin
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 3:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members today 
just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using GMail 
with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure. 

We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it this 
morning. 

If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them to 
contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white list or 
whatever they happen to call it. 

A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on. 

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
case you can’t fight being black listed. 
David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[net bat66]

if you log on directly to your gmail (web mail) when the messages go into the 
spam folder and click on not spam then maybe it won't bounce any more because 
when you do this the list will be put in the gmail whight list.

***
one reason gmail is marked as spam is when you put a email address in the cc or 
bcc field. with me it will go into the spam folder every time.


-Original Message- 
From: Maria Campbell

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:17 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

Just earlier this week I had to reconfirm my membership on this list
from bouncing.  I don't know how to add the domain to my gmail, so I
hope someone else does.


lucky1i...@gmail.com
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 7/20/2017 6:54 PM, David Ferrin wrote:
We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members 
today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using 
GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.


We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it 
this morning.


If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them 
to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white 
list or whatever they happen to call it.


A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
case you can’t fight being black listed.

David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/



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http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ 



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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[jyandt.martin]

David: I was bounced via WLM, last week. Resubscribed and so far, no 
problems. Take heart, good fellow. Better days are on the rise. Jerry (and 
please forgive the feeble attempts to poetry ... I never studied ShakeSpeare 
lol).


-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:03 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

Not all GMail subscribers but a large chunk of them.

There are 4 reasons I am aware of for an email account to start bouncing.

1 a simple transmission error which some times happens.
2 An ISP blocks out a domain because it generates so much email traffic it
lands on somebody's' Spam list: for example

http://www.jaws-users.com

3 A person closes out their email address for any number of reasons and
forgets to un-subscribe from mailing lists.
4 A person gets a large amount of emails in their inbox for example and then
doesn't check for a period of time. So long in fact their mail box gets
filled up and can't accept any more messages.

In the past year Microsoft based email addresses were effected and we have
never totally recovered from that particular loss.

So we're down under 550 now where yesterday we were over 700 if you can
believe it.

This is my continued effort to keep you out there informed as to what is
going on behind the seen. Believe me it is not all that exciting most of the
time.

-Original Message- 
From: Scorpio

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

David, was this with all G-mail users, or just some of them.

I'm using G-mail for the Jaws Users list, but I still received your message,
which leads me to assume that I'm still on the list.

Can you confirm?

Scorpio

-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members
today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using
GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.

We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it
this morning.

If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them
to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white
list or whatever they happen to call it.

A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this
case you can’t fight being black listed.
David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Ted Sparks]

I got bounced last week and replied to the message and was reinstated.
You're coming through loud and clear. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of David Ferrin
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members today 
just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using GMail 
with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure. 

We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it this 
morning. 

If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them to 
contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white list or 
whatever they happen to call it. 

A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on. 

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
case you can’t fight being black listed. 
David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Tom Behler]

David:

For what it's worth, I have a g-mail address, and I continue to be good on the 
list, at least as far as I can tell.

However, I was a member of another e-mail list that had this exact problem, and 
the list ended up moving to the groups.io server.

Let's hope things settle down again.

Tom Behler


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of David Ferrin
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members today 
just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using GMail 
with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure. 

We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it this 
morning. 

If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them to 
contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white list or 
whatever they happen to call it. 

A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on. 

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
case you can’t fight being black listed. 
David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Holger Fiallo]

Testing.
-Original Message- 
From: Michael Amaro

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:11 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

you came threw loud and cleaar here

--
From: "Scorpio" <scorpio...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:07 PM
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group


David, was this with all G-mail users, or just some of them.

I'm using G-mail for the Jaws Users list, but I still received your
message, which leads me to assume that I'm still on the list.

Can you confirm?

Scorpio

-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from
this domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162
members today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them
were using GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.

We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it
this morning.

If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask
them to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their
white list or whatever they happen to call it.

A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In
this case you can’t fight being black listed.
David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/



For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[David Ferrin]

Not all GMail subscribers but a large chunk of them.

There are 4 reasons I am aware of for an email account to start bouncing.

1 a simple transmission error which some times happens.
2 An ISP blocks out a domain because it generates so much email traffic it 
lands on somebody's' Spam list: for example


http://www.jaws-users.com

3 A person closes out their email address for any number of reasons and 
forgets to un-subscribe from mailing lists.
4 A person gets a large amount of emails in their inbox for example and then 
doesn't check for a period of time. So long in fact their mail box gets 
filled up and can't accept any more messages.


In the past year Microsoft based email addresses were effected and we have 
never totally recovered from that particular loss.


So we're down under 550 now where yesterday we were over 700 if you can 
believe it.


This is my continued effort to keep you out there informed as to what is 
going on behind the seen. Believe me it is not all that exciting most of the 
time.


-Original Message- 
From: Scorpio

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:07 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

David, was this with all G-mail users, or just some of them.

I'm using G-mail for the Jaws Users list, but I still received your message,
which leads me to assume that I'm still on the list.

Can you confirm?

Scorpio

-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members
today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using
GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.

We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it
this morning.

If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them
to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white
list or whatever they happen to call it.

A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this
case you can’t fight being black listed.
David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/



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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Melissa Hambleton]

I think it was last week or so I was bounced from the list. However, I don't 
use Gmail I use AOL though.

Melissa

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Gary Ray
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:20 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

Gary Ray here.

I got bounced last week, I think it was, and had to sign up again.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:17 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

Just earlier this week I had to reconfirm my membership on this list from 
bouncing.  I don't know how to add the domain to my gmail, so I hope someone 
else does.


lucky1i...@gmail.com
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 7/20/2017 6:54 PM, David Ferrin wrote:
> We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
> domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members 
> today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using 
> GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.
>
> We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it 
> this morning.
>
> If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them 
> to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white 
> list or whatever they happen to call it.
>
> A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.
>
> I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
> case you can’t fight being black listed.
> David Ferrin
> Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Michael Amaro]

you came threw loud and cleaar here

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From: "Scorpio" <scorpio...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:07 PM
To: <jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com>
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group


David, was this with all G-mail users, or just some of them.

I'm using G-mail for the Jaws Users list, but I still received your 
message, which leads me to assume that I'm still on the list.


Can you confirm?

Scorpio

-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from 
this domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 
members today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them 
were using GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.


We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it 
this morning.


If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask 
them to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their 
white list or whatever they happen to call it.


A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In 
this case you can’t fight being black listed.

David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ 



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Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Holger Fiallo]

Is not only gmail. I got message that mail was doing what you said. I am not 
using gmail.
-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 5:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members 
today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using 
GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.


We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it 
this morning.


If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them 
to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white 
list or whatever they happen to call it.


A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
case you can’t fight being black listed.

David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ 



For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Jason White]

Do you have SPF, DKIM and DMARC configured for the domain? They're all 
interrelated measures that together help to establish the authenticity of 
outbound messages. They're also used by the better e-mail providers and ISPs to 
distinguish legitimate senders from spammers.
I took the time to configure them for my domain, and I haven't since had 
legitimate mail rejected by mail providers as far as I know. On the other hand, 
I'm not responsible for any high-traffic mailing lists.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of David Ferrin
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members today 
just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using GMail 
with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure. 

We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it this 
morning. 

If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them to 
contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white list or 
whatever they happen to call it. 

A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on. 

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
case you can’t fight being black listed. 
David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Gary Ray]

Gary Ray here.

I got bounced last week, I think it was, and had to sign up again.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 7:17 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

Just earlier this week I had to reconfirm my membership on this list from 
bouncing.  I don't know how to add the domain to my gmail, so I hope someone 
else does.


lucky1i...@gmail.com
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 7/20/2017 6:54 PM, David Ferrin wrote:
> We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
> domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members 
> today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using 
> GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.
>
> We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it 
> this morning.
>
> If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them 
> to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white 
> list or whatever they happen to call it.
>
> A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.
>
> I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
> case you can’t fight being black listed.
> David Ferrin
> Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
> For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
> http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/


For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Maria Campbell]

Just earlier this week I had to reconfirm my membership on this list 
from bouncing.  I don't know how to add the domain to my gmail, so I 
hope someone else does.



lucky1i...@gmail.com
"Preach the Gospel, and when necessary use words!"
--St. Francis

On 7/20/2017 6:54 PM, David Ferrin wrote:

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members today 
just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using GMail 
with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.

We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it this 
morning.

If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them to 
contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white list or 
whatever they happen to call it.

A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
case you can’t fight being black listed.
David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/



For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/

Re: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

[Scorpio]

David, was this with all G-mail users, or just some of them.

I'm using G-mail for the Jaws Users list, but I still received your message, 
which leads me to assume that I'm still on the list.


Can you confirm?

Scorpio

-Original Message- 
From: David Ferrin

Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:54 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] memo for the group

We have been hit in the past by email providers bouncing messages from this 
domain, but today ranks as the worst in our history. We lost 162 members 
today just under 25% of our total subscribers. Almost all of them were using 
GMail with a couple of other ISPs thrown in for good measure.


We have never had a problem with GMail before but they sure made up for it 
this morning.


If anybody has contact with one of the people who have been removed ask them 
to contact GMail if they can and ask this domain be placed on their white 
list or whatever they happen to call it.


A few more days like this and there won’t be much of a point in going on.

I remember as a little boy my dad saying you can’t fight city hall. In this 
case you can’t fight being black listed.

David Ferrin
Life is what happens after you have already made other plans.
For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ 



For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit:
http://www.jaws-users.com/help/