Re: smart navigation?

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I certainly don't see what all the hoopla is all about.  It supposed to 
help job seekers dealing with web based applications.  However, even 
that has a long way to go before it is really helpful for that intended 
market.


On 11/28/2015 11:39 AM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:

I saw no point to smart navigation, except maybe ease in approaching tables. 
But this wrinkle puts an end to that idea. Thanks for posting.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Cristóbal via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 11:56 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Cristóbal
Subject: RE: smart navigation?

The one thing about it that bugs me is that when you're at the end of a
table and arrow down, instead of being placed at the end of that table on
the webpage, you're placed at the bottom of the webpage entirely. This is
especially annoying as you don't' know you're out of the table until you
arrow out of it. Maybe it's something I'm doing wrong on my end and simple
lack of familiarity  with the feature, but it has been a frustrating
experience on sites like Amazon.com product pages or banking account
activity pages. All in all though, I do find Smart Navigation to be a plus
but for this issue.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 8:42 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: smart navigation?

Ann,

Based on the Podcast from FS, it helps us more readily "see" the actual
layout of a web page by revealing it's layout. Also gives additional tools
to navigate these areas. I've not explored it much yet, but in time I'll
likely give it a shot.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

- Original Message -
From: "Ann Byrne via Jfw" 
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." 
Cc: "Ann Byrne" 
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2015 08:21 AM
Subject: smart navigation?


Cool script.  What is so great about smart navigation???


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Re: speakers

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Go to your system tray and enter on speakers, then enter on open volume 
mixer and you should see all you can turn up or down with arrows or page 
up and page down.

.

On 11/20/2015 12:34 PM, stintonjoe--- via Jfw wrote:

hi all

can any one tell me how to turn my speakers down in windows 7?
what i really want to do is turn jaws down but i cant recall how to do it.
i have windows 7 and jaws 12

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Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

	This method of saving an MP3 is only necessary to play it on the 
official NLS player.


On 11/16/2015 7:50 AM, Lisle, Ted  (CHFS DMS) via Jfw wrote:

I've never saved MP3's that way, but they generally work when I call them.  
What's so special about this one?

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy via 
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 2:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Gerald Levy
Subject: Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.


Because the tutorial is an MP3 file, you must save it in the Audio+Podcasts 
folder on your flash drive, just like any other MP3 file. If your flash drive 
does not already have a folder labled Audio+Podcasts, you need to create one.

Gerald



-Original Message-
From: Stan Holdeman via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 1:08 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Stan Holdeman
Subject: Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

How did you do that? I copied the tutorial to a drive where I have other NLS 
books, but my player did not find the tutorial file .

Stan


-Original Message-
From: Gerald Levy via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:52 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Gerald Levy
Subject: Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.


I had no problem downloading this tutorial and listening to it on my NLS
Digital Talking Book player.

Gerald



-Original Message-
From: Stan Holdeman via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:45 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Stan Holdeman
Subject: Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

When I try to run the tutorial Media Player gives me an error message and is
not able to run the tutorial.

Is this just me, or are others experiencing the problem?

Stan


-Original Message-
From: David Moore via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 5:34 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: David Moore
Subject: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

Hi all,
Here is the tutorial on Google Chrome Browser that I have promised you. It
is a Audio MP3 file that will play on about anything. I go over how to save
files, and use Surfs Up to demonstrate everything you need to know about
using different combo boxes and all you need to know when using a browser. I
hope you enjoy it. It is an hour long. The link below is a drop box link. I
fixed my drop box, so this link should work fine. Enter on the link and a
page will open up. Go to almost to the bottom of the page and enter on the
download link. You can save it to your computer. I hope you can get even
more out of Google Chrome. Here is the link below.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ni7ydojdlehiqsc/Tutorial%20for%20Google%20Chrome.mp3?dl=0
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Re: Amazon issues

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I just purchased an item with absolutely no issues at all.
Let's hope it stays that way?


On 11/13/2015 8:21 AM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:

For the record, I've found Amazon to be extremely responsive when I and others 
raise accessibility issues. One of my calls a few years ago led to website 
changes the very next day. Generally, soon after I've read complaints on this 
list, those problems have been fixed.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan 
Morison via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 8:33 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Annabelle Susan Morison
Subject: RE: Amazon issues

He sounds just like my Grandma Pat. That's one thing the world doesn't need,
control freaks. The world needs more people with understanding of our visual
impairment, who won't treat us as though we're nothing more than objects of
pity.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 3:45 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Gerald Levy
Subject: Re: Amazon issues


I just signed into my Amazon.com account using my email address and password

to track an order that has been shipped, and did not encounter any image
captcha.  But when I originally placed this order on Tuesday, I noticed that

there were no longer a series of radio buttons on the shipping options page
to choose the desired shipping method, which, of course, would be free
shipping, which is not usually checked by default.  Even though there was no

obvious means of selecting one of the four listed shipping options, I hit
Enter on the first option anyway, free shipping, and this apparently worked,

because free shipping is what I got.  But it is also possible that this
option was already selected by default.  Amazon is constantly tinkering with

its web site, much to the detriment of us blind consumers.  But it is almost

impossible to challenge them because Jeff Bezos, recently ranked as the
fifth wealthiest person in the US, is an absolute control freak who always
gets his way.

Gerald



-Original Message-
From: Annabelle Susan Morison via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 11:33 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Annabelle Susan Morison
Subject: RE: Amazon issues

One thing I'm concerned about is their accessibility page
http://www.amazon.com/access, which doesn't seem to work on Firefox or
Internet Explorer, in other words, there are no edit fields, combo boxes, or
buttons for the search feature on the homepage. What's up with that?

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:11 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: Amazon issues

I just opened Amazon on my web browser and opened my account with no need to
enter a Captcha. Not sure why, but grateful that it does not.

IE 11
JAWS 16

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

- Original Message -
From: "dennis via Jfw" 
To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." 
Cc: "dennis" 
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 07:24 PM
Subject: Re: Amazon issues


i just went and signed in with no problem. just so we are all clear i am
using jaws 16 win 7 64bit. i went to amazong and hit enter on the sign
in link. it came up with the usual sign in email and password
requirement. no captia no nothing like that.

On 11/12/2015 9:14 PM, Melissa Stott via Jfw wrote:

Well, unfortunately, I spoke too soon.  I just tried logging in to my
Amazon account, and had the same problem.  This is not good!

-Original Message- From: Adrian Spratt via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:08 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: Amazon issues

On reading your post, which made me anxious, I went to Amazon and
logged in with my username and password. I suspect Gerald may have the
right answer. But as he says, Amazon should know better. And as you
say, anyone who encounters this new obstacle should make their
displeasure known to Amazon.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Sandra
Streeter via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 2:20 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Sandra Streeter
Subject: Amazon issues

Hello, all:

For the first time, I am really miffed at Amazon. Has anyone visited
recently? They have a new sign-in feature, which, of COURSE, involves
captias with no audio equivalent! They give you a link for "having
trouble or sight-impaired," but the only thing there is options for
contacting them, which I did, with an "assertive-gram", which, if
you're experiencing this issue, you might want to follow up on with
one of your own so they will listen to us, hopefully. I stated the
situation is 

Microsoft disability number

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

That number is 800-936-5900.

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Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

You need to put this tutorial in a folder with MP3's, not with NLS books.


On 11/12/2015 12:08 PM, Stan Holdeman via Jfw wrote:

How did you do that? I copied the tutorial to a drive where I have other
NLS books, but my player did not find the tutorial file .

Stan


-Original Message- From: Gerald Levy via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:52 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Gerald Levy
Subject: Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.


I had no problem downloading this tutorial and listening to it on my NLS
Digital Talking Book player.

Gerald



-Original Message- From: Stan Holdeman via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:45 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Stan Holdeman
Subject: Re: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

When I try to run the tutorial Media Player gives me an error message
and is
not able to run the tutorial.

Is this just me, or are others experiencing the problem?

Stan


-Original Message- From: David Moore via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 5:34 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: David Moore
Subject: A tutorial on Google Chrome.

Hi all,
Here is the tutorial on Google Chrome Browser that I have promised you. It
is a Audio MP3 file that will play on about anything. I go over how to save
files, and use Surfs Up to demonstrate everything you need to know about
using different combo boxes and all you need to know when using a
browser. I
hope you enjoy it. It is an hour long. The link below is a drop box link. I
fixed my drop box, so this link should work fine. Enter on the link and a
page will open up. Go to almost to the bottom of the page and enter on the
download link. You can save it to your computer. I hope you can get even
more out of Google Chrome. Here is the link below.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ni7ydojdlehiqsc/Tutorial%20for%20Google%20Chrome.mp3?dl=0

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Re: Google Chrome and I.E. 11 on a web site

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I didn't have any trouble with it using JAWS 16.


On 11/8/2015 7:54 PM, Ann Byrne via Jfw wrote:

The associated press has a web site chronicling some of the events that
happened on this date in history.  JAWS 17 often locks up on this site,
or loses its place.  Chrome reads it beautifully.

Check it out:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/H/HISTORY?SITE=AP=HOME=DEFAULT


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Re: calling out the admin

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

No one seems to take any control on this list.  We are more or less on 
our own.  That's why we can sort of knock on JAWS without reprisal.  LOL




On 11/8/2015 3:24 PM, Kimsan via Jfw wrote:

I'm not sure if my email is going through, but if the admin reads this,
please email me at kimsans...@gmail.com  .

Yes, the address is on the homepage; however, I've emailed that address I
believe 3 times with no answer.

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Re: murge utility

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I agree completely.  Enough said.

On 11/4/2015 4:23 PM, Aidan via Jfw wrote:

Hello.

I'm very upset for fs removing the murg utility option in jaws 17.
They have the excuse that older version settings can know longer being
important in 17. I don't know if I must laugh. If they new that it
would happen, why did they not make a priority to implement a
replacement tool wich could be in 17?
Now you have to manually change everything? Is it possible perhaps to
use the settings packager to acomplish that?
I find it so tragic that they spend the hole year on smart navigation,
wich is not even such a remarkable feature, really this was going to
be more bennifishil to more people and now that its not ready it will
affect everyone negatively.

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Re: About changing jaws to say

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

In the JAWS start up wizard choose typing echo to words.

On 10/25/2015 7:31 PM, John Chan via Jfw wrote:

How do i get jaws to say what i typed after i hit the space bar

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Re: Appending to the clipboard.

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Yes you can keep on appending.  And to view what has been appended on 
the clipboard, press insert plus space bar plus c.



On 10/19/2015 4:15 PM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:

No one seems to have answered, so I'll do so: Yes. There's a way you can now 
navigate the clipboard, but I don't remember what it is. Maybe worth a look at 
the JAWS training material, or searching for the topic via Google, which I 
usually find quicker than most internal search engines.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mario via Jfw
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 9:08 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Mario
Subject: Re: Appending to the clipboard.

Maria, does that mean text can be appended more than once?


On 10/18/2015 8:53 PM, Maria Campbell via Jfw wrote:

Copying to the clipboard just places one instance of adding to the
clipboard.  If you copy again whatever was there before is erased.
However, if you append rather than copy again, your second instance is
added to the first and so on.

On 10/18/2015 8:39 PM, Tom Behler via Jfw wrote:

Hello:

Can someone tell me what the difference is between appending to the
clipboard, and adding text to the clipboard?

Or, is it just a matter of different semantics or terminology that
means the
same thing?

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan


-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 8:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: RE: Appending to the clipboard.

I believe that appending to Clipboard is:

Insert Windows C.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carliss via
Jfw
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 7:55 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Carliss <seeje...@satx.rr.com>
Subject: Appending to the clipboard.

Listers,

I need the apending to clipboard keystroke. It use to be windows
key+C, but
that doesn't work. I believe some time in the past that keystroke was
changed but I just don't remember it.

Thanks for your help!

I'm running jaws16.





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Re: Appending to the clipboard.

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Copying to the clipboard just places one instance of adding to the 
clipboard.  If you copy again whatever was there before is erased.
However, if you append rather than copy again, your second instance is 
added to the first and so on.


On 10/18/2015 8:39 PM, Tom Behler via Jfw wrote:

Hello:

Can someone tell me what the difference is between appending to the
clipboard, and adding text to the clipboard?

Or, is it just a matter of different semantics or terminology that means the
same thing?

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan


-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 8:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: RE: Appending to the clipboard.

I believe that appending to Clipboard is:

Insert Windows C.

Bye for now,

Carolyn

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Jfw
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 7:55 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Carliss 
Subject: Appending to the clipboard.

Listers,

I need the apending to clipboard keystroke. It use to be windows key+C, but
that doesn't work. I believe some time in the past that keystroke was
changed but I just don't remember it.

Thanks for your help!

I'm running jaws16.





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Re: Appending to the clipboard.

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Don't forget the search for command in JAWS 16 under research it.
Pressing insert plus space bar plus j then typing append in the edit 
field would get you the insert plus windows key plus C.


On 10/18/2015 7:55 PM, Carliss via Jfw wrote:

Listers,

I need the apending to clipboard keystroke. It use to be windows key+C, but
that doesn't work. I believe some time in the past that keystroke was
changed but I just don't remember it.

Thanks for your help!

I'm running jaws16.





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Re: key to delete messages

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I just hit the delete key.


On 10/13/2015 10:36 AM, Mark Furness via Jfw wrote:

I am learning thunderbird and just received my test messages. How do I delete a 
message quickly?
Currently I am hitting the application key then the leter d.
Surely there must be a quicker way in windows 10 and jaws 17.

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Re: Upgrading windows 10 and Jaws 16.0

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Most likely not, though some people have had problems with JAWS, though 
mostly upgrading from Windows 7.



On 10/9/2015 12:06 PM, James Malone via Jfw wrote:

Hello all, in upgrading from 8.01 to windows 10, do you have to uninstall
Jaws 16.0 and other programs?

James



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Re: Upgrading windows 10 and Jaws 16.0

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I have to admit that my partially sighted son did the upgrade for me on 
my W 7 laptop.  He had to do it twice because the laptop needed some 
updates, so make sure both of your PC's are completely updated.  Also 
some people have needed sighted assistance to complete the task.  You 
may need to use Narrator as JAWS may stop speaking at some point.



On 10/9/2015 12:17 PM, James Malone via Jfw wrote:

Thanks. This is good to know. I have both windows 7 and 8.1 on different
systems. Did you have any issues upgrading?

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Most likely not, though some people have had problems with JAWS, though
mostly upgrading from Windows 7.


On 10/9/2015 12:06 PM, James Malone via Jfw wrote:

Hello all, in upgrading from 8.01 to windows 10, do you have to uninstall
Jaws 16.0 and other programs?

James



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Re: Non-Tablet Notebooks or Laptops that Work Well with Jaws

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Any laptop of that type should work with JAWS.
I've been using Toshiba laptops for years.




On 10/8/2015 2:24 PM, Dave Van Der Molen via Jfw wrote:

I'm running Jaws 16.

I'm looking for a laptop that doesn't have touch-screen capabilities but
works well with Jaws 16.

I want the laptop to have all the keys a desktop keyboard would have,
except the numeric keypad.  Should have at least 4gb of ram and a fast
processor.

One I'm looking at right now is an Acer Aspire ES1 512 P0SY Notebook
PC.  Are Acer Aspire notebooks usually okay to use with Jaws?

Thanks.

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Re: Jaws getting tired

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I have found J 16 to be generally less stable than 15.  I don't see much 
worth while in upgrading to 17, unless it can be proven more stable than 
16.  I'll be waiting and listening for future reports.



On 10/2/2015 7:40 AM, Morey Worthington via Jfw wrote:

Morning all,
Using Jaws 16, newest bill, and Windows7 HP.
When working in Wordpad, and doing this for a while, Jaws will just stop
working and all the keys, naturally, stop working. It will not come back
and I then have to get out of Jaws and restart it, meaning Jaws, and
then it works for a while again.
It just gets tired. Any thoughts on what might fix this situation or has
anyone else had this issue?
Thanks,
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Re: Bookmark question

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

To add a bookmark as a favorite press control D to start the process of 
naming and adding the bookmark.




On 10/1/2015 11:22 AM, Onwardbob via Jfw wrote:

Oops, but how do I add a bookmark when on a web site? Using IE and
J-13...thanks

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG




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Accessing pop-ups in Firefox

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

How does one access the pop-ups in Firefox?
Also I get lost in the options page.  Is there an easy way of setting up 
the tabs so they work somewhat like the ones in Internet Explorer?

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Off topic: A UAC question

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Hi all, I have an old talking clock program that works fine with my UAC 
at 0 percent but keeps asking me to allow at 33 percent.  Is there a way 
to stop this behavior for this program?  Thanks for any assistance.


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Re: Hello

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Like yeah we're all here man.


On 9/25/2015 3:07 PM, Lisle, Ted  (CHFS DMS) via Jfw wrote:

I haven't seen anything in days-nothing in my junk mail, and no message from 
the server saying I'm bounced.  Anybody home, anybody seeing this?

Ted Lisle, PH.D., Medicaid services Specialist; phone: (502) 564-2574, X 2054; 
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Re: Bug with temporary speech rate change?

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I have always noticed the rate change back to original rate when 
switching between programs.
However, if you press the control plus windows and alt keys together 
with the page up or page down keys you can quickly set your speech rate 
on the fly.



On 9/25/2015 6:27 PM, Paul Martz via Jfw wrote:

Hi all. I'm using current JAWS v16. My question regards the ability to
temporarily change the speech rate with CONTROL + ALT + PageUp or PageDown.

I expected this setting to stick with the application while it was running.
In other words, if I set a slow rate in Outlook, but a fast rate in Internet
Explorer, then I should be able to switch between those two programs with
ALT + TAB and have either slow or fast speech depending on which program has
focus. If I exit the program and restart it, then I'd expect the speech rate
to be restored to the default. But while the program is running, I'd expect
the temporary speech rate setting to stay in effect, even after I switch
back to the program from somewhere else.

What I see instead: Switching away from a program then back to it with ALT +
TAB seems to cause JAWS to forget about the temporary speech rate setting
for that program. Text from the program is then read at the default speech
rate rather than my temporary setting. Note that I'm not exiting the
program. It's still running, I'm just changing focus with ALT+TAB away, then
back to the running program again. But JAWS seems to have forgotten the
temporary speech rate that I had set for that program.

If I'm not mistaken, it has been sticky for the program up until some
relatively recent JAWS update, and now I'm getting this new behavior where
JAWS forgets about the speech rate setting after switching away and back.
Has it always worked this way, and I'm somehow mistaken? Or is this a bug?
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Re: did you understand my last question about scripting?

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Scripting is not for everyone.  It's not for me and it may not be for you.

On 9/24/2015 1:59 PM, david via Jfw wrote:

Hi, how are you?  I'm writing to ask if you understood my question
concerning writing jaws scripts for programs that do not have scripts
written for them!  The question I have is concerning I know as an example
there are some buttons when using mcafee live safe that I know where the
buttons are, but the question is how do I write the scripts that when I get
to these buttons that lets say that I use the space bar in order to activate
the script, how should the script be written the other thing is that I'm not
sure how jaws should be set to read these buttons or graphics.  I'd like to
know this as well to make sure that I have a grasp of what I'm doing!  Thank
you for any information that you might have.  Thank you

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Re: antivirus again

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I use and pay for Trend Micro Internet security, which is somewhat 
accessible, but not totally.



On 9/18/2015 5:17 PM, Merv Keck via Jfw wrote:

Everyone has their favorites. No one wants to pay for decent protection. All
I can do is tell you what I, and some others, are using successfully on our
machines ranging from Windows 7, 8.1, and 10 with Jaws,.  And that is viper
Internet security. It isn't perfect and it isn't free but then again what in
life is perfect and free.
I am using the viper Internet security which has both Antivirus and
Antimalware protection and works with both Jaws 16 and 17. It has a 30 day
trial if you want to check it out.
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Cc: Maria Campbell <luc...@ct.metrocast.net>
Subject: Re: antivirus again

The problem with anti-virus products is that they are not standardized to be
accessible.  They may be so today, but not tomorrow and then again they may
be once more.
It's basically that simple.  Although blind people should be as secure as
sighted people on their computers, until if and when this concept is
accepted and expected, we will continue to have this issue.


On 9/18/2015 4:35 PM, Robert Logue via Jfw wrote:

  Which anti-virus and internet security programs working well with
Jaws 16?

Searching Bing for the answer to this question is not helpful.  I sure
do wish people would test these things and keep a web site going so we
don't have to ask this question every time our security product needs
renewing.

Not happy with AVG any more.  Thinking of Nod 32 or Caspersky.

Thanks.

Bob


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Re: JAWS updates

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

It's all been done at least once.
Thanks.


On 9/11/2015 2:10 AM, Mark via Jfw wrote:

Hello Maria,

I only now just tunes into this thread.

Again, having not read any other suggestions on this I will list for you the
steps I would take if experiencing your problem:


1.
Make sure that Windows 10 is up-to-date.

2.
In Windows 10, set your user account control (UAC) to zero.

3.
Completely uninstall Jaws and all shared Freedom Scientific files from your
Windows 10 PC.

4.
Reboot your computer.

5.
Install the latest version of Jaws.

6.
After installation is complete, reboot your PC.

7.
Attempt to check for Jaws update.

8.
Restore your user account control back to its original setting.

Mark

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Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 11:24 AM
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Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: JAWS updates

I have mentioned that on my w 10 laptop I am unable to check for JAWS
updates. FS says it's a Windows issue. Microsoft says it's an FS issue.
I have done all I know how to do.
If it is a firewall, proxy, or anything of that type, I don't know how to
find/solve the problem.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
It is not a problem on my W 7 machine.



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JAWS updates

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I have mentioned that on my w 10 laptop I am unable to check for JAWS 
updates. FS says it's a Windows issue. Microsoft says it's an FS issue. 
I have done all I know how to do.
If it is a firewall, proxy, or anything of that type, I don't know how 
to find/solve the problem.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
It is not a problem on my W 7 machine.

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Re: How to do a JAWS repair

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Well I did all that, and I still can't get through to FS to check for 
updates on my W 10 laptop.



On 9/9/2015 10:22 AM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:

I'm going to copy below the instructions I received a few months ago from FS. 
Note that the release number has been updated since then, so you'll need to 
adjust. Also, as the FS rep knew, my system is 64-bit. I don't know if yours is 
64- or 32-bit. A final note: the JAWS repair takes a while, but there are no 
confirming announcements. JAWS tells you only when the repair is complete, at 
which point you reboot.

To run a JAWS 16 repair,
First download JAWS 16 to your computer. Go to:
http://www2.freedomscientific.com/downloads/JAWS/JAWS-whats-new.asp
Look for and download:
* JAWS 16.0.1925 64-bit English - January 2015 (133 MB)
Choose the 64 bit version. Save this to your computer. Do not run from current 
location. After the file is saved:
To run a JAWS 16 repair.
1. Copy the appropriate version to your C: drive
To run a JAWS 16 repair, go to the run dialog and type:
C:\J16.0.1925ENU-64bit.exe /type repair
And press enter.
The repair will run. After the repair has completed, reboot your computer.

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Cc: dacia.l...@gmail.com
Subject: How to do a JAWS repair

Hi, as the subject line states, I'm having some issues with jaws. I want to do 
a jaws repair to see if it will fix them. However, I can't remember how to do 
it. Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you,
Dacia

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Re: How to do a JAWS repair

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Please let me know if this works for updating for you so I can try it as 
well.



On 9/9/2015 12:37 PM, Dacia Cole via Jfw wrote:

Hi,
I just got done talking to the freedom scientific people, because I was having 
a hard time typing in the right path to do the repair. He reminded me of 
something that I had forgotten. There is a browse button in the dialog box for 
the run dialogue, if you'd use that, and then choose the jaws 16 file or 
whatever version you are running, and tab to the open button, then it will 
already put the path in there so you don't have to. Once you have hit open, 
shift tab once and make sure you are at the end of the path because it will 
say.exp at the end. Once you know you were there, press the and press the/key 
then the word type with no spaces then hit the and type the word repair and 
then hit enter. You have to do it like that, or it won't work. I hope these 
directions made sense. If you have questions, let me know. It will say EE XE at 
the end of the path not exp

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On Sep 9, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Bill White via Jfw  wrote:

Yes, it is not something which is tied to Windows 10 only.
Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
- Original Message - From: "Jim Hamilton via Jfw" 

To: "'The Jaws for Windows support list.'" 
Cc: "Jim Hamilton" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 8:38 AM
Subject: RE: How to do a JAWS repair



Can this be done if you have other JAWS-related problems - not just for
moving to Windows 10.

Thanks.

Jim H

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via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 10:08 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' 
Cc: Michael Mote 
Subject: RE: How to do a JAWS repair

Dacia, the best way to do a JAWS repair is to download the build of JAWS
that you are running.  For instance if you're trying to repair JAWS 16, go
to the web-site and download the current build of JAWS 16.  Once you have it
downloaded, navigate to the place where you downloaded the file.  Then you
will want to copy the path.  You will do this by pressing  shift plus the
applications key.  Then navigate to the option that says copy path.  Once
you select this option by pressing enter, the file name is copied to your
clipboard.  Now, press Windows plus the letter R to bring up the run dialog
box.  Press control plus the letter V to paste the name of the file into the
run dialog.  Then, you will need to enter the following switch command at
the end of the file name.
/type repair
Then press enter, or tab to Ok, and press enter.  The JAWS repair process
should begin.
Hope this helps!


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Subject: How to do a JAWS repair

Hi, as the subject line states, I'm having some issues with jaws. I want to
do a jaws repair to see if it will fix them. However, I can't remember how
to do it. Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you,
Dacia

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Re: FS Podcast Jaws17 New Features, Part 1

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I certainly hope part 2 is about making Windows 10 and Edge more 
accessible than just adding new features.


On 9/3/2015 3:31 PM, Lisle, Ted  (CHFS DMS) via Jfw wrote:

Next month should be a safe bet.

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Sent: Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:09 PM
To: JFW List
Cc: Mike B.
Subject: FS Podcast Jaws17 New Features, Part 1

Howdy All,

You can download this podcast by clicking on the link below.  This is part 1
of 2, & I don't know when part 2 will be published.


http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/FSCast113-JAWS_17_part1.mp3

Published: Wed, 02 Sep 2015 13:15:00 GMT
Take care.
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Re: Volume for YouTube with IE11

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

If you have Windows 7 and possibly higher, you can access the YouTube 
volume as follows.

Go to system tray and find speaker icon and press enter on volume mixer.
Then tab to volume for YouTube and raise or lower with up or down arrows.

On 8/26/2015 3:06 PM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:

The other day I posted a query after losing lost all sound on YouTube when 
using IE11 as my browser. I now have the solution, though it isn't a good one.

Several people offered suggestions, but nothing worked. Keep in mind that I 
could get sound on other websites with IE11, and I could also get sound on 
YouTube with Firefox. In my query, I noted that JAWS showed a volume panel for 
YouTube that it didn't detect when IE11 was the browser.

I've now confirmed that the solution is to raise the volume on the YouTube page 
when using IE11. Since this setting is not accessible, it required asking 
someone with sight.
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Re: Volume for YouTube with IE11

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

When I turn PC cursor off I see pause and mute and time elapse but no 
volume slider.


On 8/26/2015 4:11 PM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:

Thanks, Tom, but it doesn't seem to work for me. I've just tabbed through a n 
entire YouTube page with virtual cursor turned off and found everything plus 
the kitchen sink, but no player controls. My speakers (MM-1s) don't use a 
soundcard, and I wonder if that's the difference. But JAWS does detect the 
player controls when I'm running Firefox.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bissett, Tom via 
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 3:19 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Bissett, Tom
Subject: RE: Volume for YouTube with IE11

Hi,  the volume slider on  the YouTube player can be accessed with IE11 by 
turning off the virtual cursor then tabbing or in my case shift tabbing until 
you reach the player controls.  When you have tabbed to the player controls  
tab to the volume slider and the slider will work with the arrow keys as long 
as you have the virtual cursor turned off.  This method also works with the 
forward and back slider.
Regards
Tom Bisset
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Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 3:06 PM
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Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: Volume for YouTube with IE11

The other day I posted a query after losing lost all sound on YouTube when 
using IE11 as my browser. I now have the solution, though it isn't a good one.

Several people offered suggestions, but nothing worked. Keep in mind that I 
could get sound on other websites with IE11, and I could also get sound on 
YouTube with Firefox. In my query, I noted that JAWS showed a volume panel for 
YouTube that it didn't detect when IE11 was the browser.

I've now confirmed that the solution is to raise the volume on the YouTube page 
when using IE11. Since this setting is not accessible, it required asking 
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Re: jaws shutting down

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Might your pc be going into hybernation or sleep mode?  When I put mine 
into hybernation, laptop shuts down, but I can get it back by pressing 
power button then press enter for my log-in.



On 8/21/2015 11:22 AM, j Bron via Jfw wrote:

I know this topic was covered but I didn't pay much attention to it.  When I
leave my computer for awhile, can't say how long, it totally shuts down.  No
Jaws, it doesn't respond to commands like alt/tab or alt f4.  I shut it down
completely from the start button and then reboot from same.  I have windows
7 and jaws 16.  For fifteen years I've been working with Jaws.  I've left
the computer millions of times and had no problem.  Does anyone know what's
going on and how to remedy the situation?  Thanks, Judith

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Re: jaws shutting down

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Just try pressing enter after a bit after powering up.


On 8/21/2015 12:50 PM, j Bron via Jfw wrote:

I hear the machine powering up but Jaws doesn't say anything.  I guess it's
the difference between a lap top and desktop.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 12:43 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: jaws shutting down

After I press the power button and hear the laptop powering up again, in a
bit I hear something like maria's log-in, which is when I press the enter
key.  JAWS and all else is well again after that.


On 8/21/2015 12:03 PM, j Bron via Jfw wrote:

aI'm working on a desktop.  Would power enter be the same?

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria
Campbell via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 11:30 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: jaws shutting down

Might your pc be going into hybernation or sleep mode?  When I put
mine into hybernation, laptop shuts down, but I can get it back by
pressing power button then press enter for my log-in.


On 8/21/2015 11:22 AM, j Bron via Jfw wrote:

I know this topic was covered but I didn't pay much attention to it.
When I leave my computer for awhile, can't say how long, it totally
shuts down.  No Jaws, it doesn't respond to commands like alt/tab or
alt f4.  I shut it down completely from the start button and then
reboot from same.  I have windows
7 and jaws 16.  For fifteen years I've been working with Jaws.  I've
left the computer millions of times and had no problem.  Does anyone
know what's going on and how to remedy the situation?  Thanks, Judith

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Re: jaws shutting down

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

After I press the power button and hear the laptop powering up again, in 
a bit I hear something like maria's log-in, which is when I press the 
enter key.  JAWS and all else is well again after that.



On 8/21/2015 12:03 PM, j Bron via Jfw wrote:

aI'm working on a desktop.  Would power enter be the same?

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 11:30 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: jaws shutting down

Might your pc be going into hybernation or sleep mode?  When I put mine into
hybernation, laptop shuts down, but I can get it back by pressing power
button then press enter for my log-in.


On 8/21/2015 11:22 AM, j Bron via Jfw wrote:

I know this topic was covered but I didn't pay much attention to it.
When I leave my computer for awhile, can't say how long, it totally
shuts down.  No Jaws, it doesn't respond to commands like alt/tab or
alt f4.  I shut it down completely from the start button and then
reboot from same.  I have windows
7 and jaws 16.  For fifteen years I've been working with Jaws.  I've
left the computer millions of times and had no problem.  Does anyone
know what's going on and how to remedy the situation?  Thanks, Judith

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Re: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Windows 10 is an indication of the future of Microsoft with the 
introduction of Cortana and the Edge browser.  There's no getting around 
that, no matter if and when one upgrades.  And these two new features 
will revolutionize Windows computing when they are perfected.
There are always growing pains with a new system, and the sooner one 
deals, the better, especially considering free versus having to pay the 
longer one waits.

That is the value of this list, helping with those growing pains.

On 8/9/2015 11:03 AM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:

Russell,

To me, you make an argument for Win7 users to stay with Win7 but for Win8 and 
Win8.1 users maybe to think about it. Nothing I've read suggests any immediate 
gains for Win7 users and several negatives. In time, upgrading to Win10 will be 
unavoidable.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Russell 
Solowoniuk via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 10:20 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Russell Solowoniuk
Subject: RE: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi Brad,

I purchased a new laptop last November, a Lenovo Yoga Pro 2 running Windows
8.1. While I did get accustomed to Windows 8.1, I wasn't crazy about it. I
updated to Windows 10, and like the fact that the start menu is back. When I
press the Windows key, I am placed in a search field, similar to Windows 7.
If I down arrow, I am placed in a list of my 6 most used programs, which is
really convenient. I am finding Cortana to work quite well... when she isn't
able to answer my query, she opens up a search page in Bing... wish the
search results could be switched to Google, but at least for now, Bing is
the only choice.

I am looking forward to trying Edge once Jaws support is available for it.

I think whether or not to update to Windows 10 is a very personal choice,
and, I also feel that we shouldn't be advised not to update just because we
use Jaws. Having said that though, I don't think I would have updated if my
laptop wasn't fairly new.

I've been reading the various forums and many people are experiencing
troubles with the Windows 10 update, not only users of assistive technology,
so, as I say, the choice to update is a personal one.

For me, I'm glad I updated, but we'll see how things go once Microsoft
starts pushing out those updates! Ha ha.

Like you say, fun, fun, fun! :)

Russell
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Brad Martin
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 8:04 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Brad Martin b...@formyfriends.org
Subject: What do I gain with Windows 10 as a blind person?

Hi,

I've been following all this Windows 10 stuff with great interest, and I
just have a question (with a lot of background first):

So FS says you shouldn't use Edge, you should use Firefox or IE. (I'm
doing that now in Windows 7.) You can't use the built in mail program;
you should use something like Thunderbird or Outlook. (I'm doing that
now in Windows 7.) And you should use Adobe Reader for PDF documents.
(I'm doing that now in Windows 7.) Reviews I've read all seem to
indicate that Cortana is iffy at best.

So why should I upgrade again? I'm not being smart; I'd really like to
know if I'm going to gain anything other than having a new operating
system that I have to use in the same old ways. The only benefit I can
see is that Windows 10 will be supported beyond January of 2020, where
Windows 7 will not. Am I overlooking some wonderful new feature that
should cause me to want to hurry and upgrade? Or does the old saying,
If it ain't broke, don't fix it, apply here? I'd really honestly like
to know if JAWS users in particular are finding anything beneficial in
the upgrade, or if it's just something fun to do to your functioning
computer to see if it will still function.

P.S. Anybody on this list from Louisiana and thinking Cortana, as in mall?



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Re: Installation of Windows 10

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

That's very interesting.  Where does one find this tool?


On 8/9/2015 10:42 AM, Russell Solowoniuk via Jfw wrote:

FS has a tool you can download and run that will automatically uninstall all 
versions of Jaws prior to Jaws 16.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki 
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 1:17 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Michal Nowicki mnowic...@icloud.com
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Yes.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted (CHFS 
DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2015 6:53 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) ted.li...@ky.gov
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Also, having read the news release from FS, may I infer that one should cleanly 
and completely uninstall earlier versions of JAWS?

Ted

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal Nowicki 
via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:28 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: RE: Installation of Windows 10

Mark and Joe,

How did you know when to start Narrator?  Did you launch it before starting the 
update?

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mark Furness via 
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 5:10 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Mark Furness flintma...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Installation of Windows 10

I did it all by myself.
I upgraded from windows 7 home premium, running Jaws 16. Thanks to the people 
on the list as I had to do a repair on jaws.
I tried using narrator and that helped a little. But, I’m use to jaws, thus 
found it frustrating.

In short you can do it by yourself.

Mark

On Aug 6, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Jim Portillo via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:

Hi,

I know there's been much discussion of various aspects related to this topic.  
However, I'd like to know if anyone here has successfully installed or upgraded 
to Windows 10 independently.
Did you use JAWS 16 or Narrator or both?  I'm ready to install this but don't 
know that I'll have a sighted person around to help, so want to make sure I can 
do this with one or two screen readers.
Any tips will be helpful.
I've got my machine set and ready to go.
Jim


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Re: learning to do scripting

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

That's me, I think, though I'm blind.  Smile.
I'd like to learn scripting, just as I'd like to sing well.  Both beyond 
my reach, sad to say.



On 8/3/2015 11:00 AM, Mcginnis, Barbara via Jfw wrote:

I took scripting at St. Petersburg at Freedom-Scientific.  Now, this was ten 
years ago.  I am sighted and I was lost.  I am not a programmer at heart and 
that is what scripting is--programming.  If I was writing a script/program to 
fry an egg, I would forget that I needed to open a drawer to find the flapjack 
flipper to turn the egg.

-Original Message-
From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw [mailto:jfw@lists.the-jdh.com]
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 7:53 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) ted.li...@ky.gov
Subject: RE: learning to do scripting

I haven't looked lately, but I think a manual was once part of the JAWS 
package, and I know one exists.

Ted

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Eye Ball via 
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 8:04 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Mr. Eye Ball
Subject: RE: learning to do scripting

Jean
I have ask the same thing many times, I never really got a anser!
You can find the resources you are looking for on the FS homepage!



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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Jean Menzies via 
Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 8:27 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Jean Menzies
Subject: learning to do scripting

Just wondering how one learns to do scripting? If you can't see the screen to 
begin with, how do you know what to code? Scripting interests me, but I don't 
know how to get started. Are there any resources that teach this from the 
beginning from a blind point of view?

Jean



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Re: learning to do scripting

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Good luck.  Some folks charge for classes online, which I tried, but 
lost my money because I didn't even understand to get past the first 
class.  I don't think I could learn from a book, either.  Possibly the 
only way for me would be hands on.

I sure would love to learn, but I just may not be smart enough.


On 7/29/2015 9:26 AM, Jean Menzies via Jfw wrote:

Just wondering how one learns to do scripting? If you can't see the
screen to begin with, how do you know what to code? Scripting interests
me, but I don't know how to get started. Are there any resources that
teach this from the beginning from a blind point of view?

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Re: Just curious -- what happened to Windows 9?

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Windows 8 happened to Windows 9.  It was so bad MS decided to skip 9 
altogether.



On 7/23/2015 3:29 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw wrote:

Hi,

I'm still on Windows 7. I hear a lot of talk about Windows 8.1 and Windows 10. 
Was Windows 9 a bust or something?

Thanks, Keith

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Re: Anyone know why some e-mails have this weird stuff?

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

You may have your message body as plain text.  Changing that to html may 
stop that, but it is less secure.



On 7/21/2015 10:55 AM, Carolyn Arnold via Jfw wrote:

I never got this stuff until a year or so ago. Is there anything I can do to 
stop it, block it, or skip it? Thanks. See below:

#yiv7693934878AOLMsgPart_2_23c5cdd7-300a-495b-9a44-ad0e50fc046f 
td{color:black;}#yiv7693934878 .yiv7693934878aolReplacedBody 
.yiv7693934878hmmessage P {margin:0px;padding:0px;}#yiv7693934878 
.yiv7693934878aolReplacedBody body.yiv7693934878hmmessage 
{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}


Remember, life is what you make it,

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Re: Strange characters in e-mails.

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Just for the heck of it try checking language detect in the quick 
setting with insert v.



On 7/16/2015 10:22 AM, Carolyn Arnold via Jfw wrote:

Now I feel the fool, because I tried it again, and that Application open
did not work, but I did just hit Control Down Arrow to get to the text.
Sorry for clustering the list.

Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Carolyn Arnold 4carol...@windstream.net
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: Strange characters in e-mails.



I checked, and it was Western European ISO, so I switched it to
Western European Windows. Thanks for tip. We'll see what happens.

Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: Strange characters in e-mails.



Hi, Carolyn. Sometimes this can be cleared up by going into your
e-mail program's encoding menu and changing how the e-mail is
decoded. Other times not much helps.

Sometimes the encoding is in Western European Windows. Sometimes it
is in Western European ISO. Sometimes it is in Unicode 7 or 8. You
just have to experiment, viewing the e-mail in various decoding
methods and see what works.
Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 7:19 PM
Subject: Strange characters in e-mails.



There are times, when I get an e-mail, and some or all of it
contains unreadable stuff like graphic, Euro, Times New Roman, all
kind of stuff that doesn't make sense. Moving the entire material to
Word Pad does not make a change. Have any of you had this? Have you
found a solution? Thanks.

Remember, life is what you make it,

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Re: Strange characters in e-mails.

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Mine is off.  However language detect is checked.


On 7/16/2015 10:59 AM, Carolyn Arnold via Jfw wrote:

I have English United States. What is Text analyzer. It is off. Should I
turn it on or leave it alone? Thanks.

Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: Strange characters in e-mails.



Just for the heck of it try checking language detect in the quick
setting with insert v.


On 7/16/2015 10:22 AM, Carolyn Arnold via Jfw wrote:

Now I feel the fool, because I tried it again, and that Application open
did not work, but I did just hit Control Down Arrow to get to the text.
Sorry for clustering the list.

Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: Strange characters in e-mails.



I checked, and it was Western European ISO, so I switched it to
Western European Windows. Thanks for tip. We'll see what happens.

Remember, life is what you make it,

Carolyn

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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: Strange characters in e-mails.



Hi, Carolyn. Sometimes this can be cleared up by going into your
e-mail program's encoding menu and changing how the e-mail is
decoded. Other times not much helps.

Sometimes the encoding is in Western European Windows. Sometimes it
is in Western European ISO. Sometimes it is in Unicode 7 or 8. You
just have to experiment, viewing the e-mail in various decoding
methods and see what works.
Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
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Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 7:19 PM
Subject: Strange characters in e-mails.



There are times, when I get an e-mail, and some or all of it
contains unreadable stuff like graphic, Euro, Times New Roman, all
kind of stuff that doesn't make sense. Moving the entire material to
Word Pad does not make a change. Have any of you had this? Have you
found a solution? Thanks.

Remember, life is what you make it,

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Re: You need to update Skype. NOT!

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Agreed.


On 6/20/2015 5:34 PM, Daniel McBride via Jfw wrote:

I second Robin. I am having no problems with Skype. I also wish to
say that Microsoft is among the more user friendly corporations for the
blind that I have found.

I wish to suggest that the email you received was a sham email not generated
by Skype, but by a spammer.

Daniel

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Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 9:48 AM
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Cc: Robin Frost
Subject: Re: You need to update Skype. NOT!

Hi,
My goodness all of this excitement.  I'm running the latest build of the
program with JFW 16 and though some things have changed all is going just
fine. I was able to explore various options, send a chat message to someone
and even see where to initiate a call should I have wished to do so and all
of that even without being sure I'm running the latest Skype scripts from
Doug.
Deep cleansing breaths and reasonable thought processes are a good thing.
Happy Saturday one and all.
Robin


-Original Message-
From: Ed Marquette via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2015 5:40 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ed Marquette
Subject: You need to update Skype. NOT!

I have never been a big fan of Skype, but the new features in Skype, as
advertised in an email message I received having a subject line similar to
the above, made it tempting.

So, I read further.  Apparently, the old Skype will no longer be supported.

Being one always willing to jump for the bleeding edge, I gave it a try.  In
fairness, I didn't try to work with it for very long, but this has to rank
right up there with the most inaccessible products I've seen on the market
in the last decade.  The thing brings up a list of options that one can
read, but none of them works.  Even worse, Skype hangs around and cannot be
removed even with Alt-F4.  I almost entitled this message, Is Skype really
a virus?  Fortunately, after going to the Control Panel, it was fairly easy
to get rid of the thing.  Now, my computer is working normally, but I really
thought I had inadvertently introduced a virus to my computer (Windows 8.1).
I'm using JAWS 16.

So, except for those with some sight (probably quite a bit) and those with
psychological needs to inflict punishment upon themselves, I would recommend
to people that they bypass the tempting advertisements in the Skype email
message that is likely to appear in your Inbox soon - if it has not appeared
already.



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Re: PlaceMarkers and JAWS

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Place markers are the greatest things since the wheel, to my thinking. 
I use them all the time and have no problems.  I just anchor to text and 
leave the domain checked.


On 6/14/2015 5:00 AM, Ed Marquette via Jfw wrote:

With so much good Internet advice flying around on this list
lately, I thought I would raise a question that has been bugging
me.

I use PlaceMarkers frequently, especially with Web applications
that I use all the time, including a document management Web App
that I access (keep loaded all the time) daily.

I'm wondering if there is a strategy to ensure that PlaceMarkers
always work.  Frankly, the PlaceMarkers I have set tend to remain,
but the k key, which is supposed serially to jump from placeMarker
to PlaceMarker often skips PlaceMarkers that I know are there.
Sometimes, after JAWS has skipped over a PlaceMarker I can hit
shift K to go backwards, and sometimes JAWS will find the shy
PlaceMarker.  Sometimes it does not.

Years ago, I had the same problem with WindowEyes, and have been
assuming that PlaceMarkers are just flakey and not terribly
reliable because of the peculiarities of the Net.

No one has told me that, and it occurred to me that I perhaps am
doing something wrong.

Here is what I do:

1.  Press  Control plus windows plus K

2.  Choose Add PlaceMarker

3.  accept the default name, link to text, use the default text
(if I know it is going to be constant), and choose domain only if
I know the element will always be on screen within the
application.

Linking to text seems like it ought to increase the reliability of
the PlaceMarker, but I do not think that is true.  Is it possible
that the opposite is true?

I think I'm making the right choice in indicating when it should
be linked to the domain instead of the specific page, but perhaps
my thinking is backwards.

If everyone else has the same reliability issues, then I'll
continue with my thought that PlaceMarkers are just flakey.



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Re: PlaceMarkers and JAWS

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I didn't know how to review place markers, and I probably will forget it 
quickly but thanks for this key combo.



On 6/14/2015 9:52 AM, david via Jfw wrote:

hello;
not sure of which version of jaws your using,
but, the keystroke for creating place markers, isn't ctrl+windows+k,
I'm using jaws 16,
the keystroke is ctrl+shift+k,
now tab to add,
also, alt+windows+k will announce the various place markers.



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via Jfw
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2015 5:00 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Ed Marquette
Subject: PlaceMarkers and JAWS

With so much good Internet advice flying around on this list
lately, I thought I would raise a question that has been bugging
me.

I use PlaceMarkers frequently, especially with Web applications
that I use all the time, including a document management Web App
that I access (keep loaded all the time) daily.

I'm wondering if there is a strategy to ensure that PlaceMarkers
always work.  Frankly, the PlaceMarkers I have set tend to remain,
but the k key, which is supposed serially to jump from placeMarker
to PlaceMarker often skips PlaceMarkers that I know are there.
Sometimes, after JAWS has skipped over a PlaceMarker I can hit
shift K to go backwards, and sometimes JAWS will find the shy
PlaceMarker.  Sometimes it does not.

Years ago, I had the same problem with WindowEyes, and have been
assuming that PlaceMarkers are just flakey and not terribly
reliable because of the peculiarities of the Net.

No one has told me that, and it occurred to me that I perhaps am
doing something wrong.

Here is what I do:

1.  Press  Control plus windows plus K

2.  Choose Add PlaceMarker

3.  accept the default name, link to text, use the default text
(if I know it is going to be constant), and choose domain only if
I know the element will always be on screen within the
application.

Linking to text seems like it ought to increase the reliability of
the PlaceMarker, but I do not think that is true.  Is it possible
that the opposite is true?

I think I'm making the right choice in indicating when it should
be linked to the domain instead of the specific page, but perhaps
my thinking is backwards.

If everyone else has the same reliability issues, then I'll
continue with my thought that PlaceMarkers are just flakey.



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Re: When on the net.

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

If you are looking for text on a web page keep pressing the letter n.



On 6/10/2015 1:16 PM, Carolyn Arnold via Jfw wrote:

Does anyone know what commands to use when attempting to go directly to the 
content of something on the web? I have experimented with everything that I can 
imagine with the help of JAWS Help. If anyone can tell me, thanks you very much 
in advance.

GIFT (God is forever true),

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Re: new laptop user with jaws 16

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Portability, fitting both laptop and keyboard in computer bag.  Takes up 
less space.  Gives off less heat.  Quieter running.  Has own speakers. 
That's just off the top of my head without much thought.



On 6/4/2015 4:59 PM, Carolyn Arnold via Jfw wrote:

Question? Why would  one by a laptop computer, then use a desktop
keyboard? Why not just get a desktop from the beginning? I'm not
challenging doing that, just wanting to know what is the advantage. Thanks.

GIFT (God is forever true),

Carolyn

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Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: new laptop user with jaws 16



Hi, Dennis, I am also  a Jaws16 laptop  home user  with Window7  ,but
I use the desktop keyboard because the laptop keyboard is small,my
desk is tall, and my fingers are  too big for the laptop keyboard   ,
so   I recommend you switch from one to the other and go with the one
that is best for you . Roy Dubriel

-Original Message- From: Maria Campbell via Jfw
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 2:30 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: new laptop user with jaws 16

They both work well, except that one doesn't work from the bed.  Smile.


On 6/4/2015 11:55 AM, Dennis via Jfw wrote:

wich one works better.

On 6/4/2015 10:21 AM, Maria Campbell via Jfw wrote:

I have both.



On 6/4/2015 10:59 AM, Dennis via Jfw wrote:

i also wondered about that. do you use a usb keyboard? or a wireless
one.

On 6/4/2015 9:56 AM, Maria Campbell via Jfw wrote:

I don't know if you might consider using an external keyboard?  That
way nothing will change.
That's how I run my laptop.


On 6/4/2015 10:42 AM, Dennis via Jfw wrote:

hi list. i just ordered a hp laptop. its a windows 7 64
professional. as
i said in the subject i'm also using jaws 16. i would just like to
know
the best way of learning the laptop after only using a desktop up
until
now. thanks for any sugestions.

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Re: new laptop user with jaws 16

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

They both work well, except that one doesn't work from the bed.  Smile.


On 6/4/2015 11:55 AM, Dennis via Jfw wrote:

wich one works better.

On 6/4/2015 10:21 AM, Maria Campbell via Jfw wrote:

I have both.



On 6/4/2015 10:59 AM, Dennis via Jfw wrote:

i also wondered about that. do you use a usb keyboard? or a wireless
one.

On 6/4/2015 9:56 AM, Maria Campbell via Jfw wrote:

I don't know if you might consider using an external keyboard?  That
way nothing will change.
That's how I run my laptop.


On 6/4/2015 10:42 AM, Dennis via Jfw wrote:

hi list. i just ordered a hp laptop. its a windows 7 64
professional. as
i said in the subject i'm also using jaws 16. i would just like to
know
the best way of learning the laptop after only using a desktop up
until
now. thanks for any sugestions.

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Re: new laptop user with jaws 16

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I have both.



On 6/4/2015 10:59 AM, Dennis via Jfw wrote:

i also wondered about that. do you use a usb keyboard? or a wireless one.

On 6/4/2015 9:56 AM, Maria Campbell via Jfw wrote:

I don't know if you might consider using an external keyboard?  That
way nothing will change.
That's how I run my laptop.


On 6/4/2015 10:42 AM, Dennis via Jfw wrote:

hi list. i just ordered a hp laptop. its a windows 7 64 professional. as
i said in the subject i'm also using jaws 16. i would just like to know
the best way of learning the laptop after only using a desktop up until
now. thanks for any sugestions.

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Re: new laptop user with jaws 16

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I don't know if you might consider using an external keyboard?  That way 
nothing will change.

That's how I run my laptop.


On 6/4/2015 10:42 AM, Dennis via Jfw wrote:

hi list. i just ordered a hp laptop. its a windows 7 64 professional. as
i said in the subject i'm also using jaws 16. i would just like to know
the best way of learning the laptop after only using a desktop up until
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Re: JAWS + Windows 10

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

JAWS 16 and up will work best with Windows 10.


On 6/3/2015 2:57 PM, Maria Campbell via Jfw wrote:

Windows 10 won't even be released before July 29.  Who knows when it
will actually come to a computer near you?

On 6/3/2015 2:54 PM, Niall Gallagher via Jfw wrote:

Hi List,

Just wondering has anyone installed Windows 10 yet! And is it
compatible with JAWS 14?
Any views or comments would be great.

Kind regards,

Niall

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Re: JAWS + Windows 10

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Windows 10 won't even be released before July 29.  Who knows when it 
will actually come to a computer near you?


On 6/3/2015 2:54 PM, Niall Gallagher via Jfw wrote:

Hi List,

Just wondering has anyone installed Windows 10 yet! And is it
compatible with JAWS 14?
Any views or comments would be great.

Kind regards,

Niall

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Re: Jaws 15 Problem in window7

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

The start up wizard for checking the state of JAWS at start up is under 
the help menu when you press insert j.
Sometimes you need to reset the hotkey control plus alt plus j to 
restart JAWS after a shut down.
Another way I use to start up JAWS is to press the windows key plus m 
several times to make sure I get to the desktop.  Then I just press the 
letter j for jaws and Jaws starts up in a bit.


On 5/25/2015 7:06 PM, O.Addison Gethers via Jfw wrote:

Hello All,

I have window7 with desktop 32 bits !! I'm having problem when I unloaded
Jaws by press insert + f4 then press spacebar then I waited for 2 or 3
minute then when I try to get jaws to come back on ,I press run key then
type in jaws15 press enter jaws never came back on so I waited about 10
minute to see if jaws will come on so it didn't so I try another keystroke
command alt +shift + j that didn't work either  so I try another keystroke
press ctrl +shift + j it's still not work either !! What is the right
keystroke command ? Also I had to shut down the computer so when jaws came
on I went to jaws window I can't remember what I'm looking for to see if the
box is off for jaws not to come on when unloaded jaws ,Does anyone know
what's the name for to check the box in setting and show me how to get
there?

Addison



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Re: deleting inbox

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Um, yeah, and I even keep a copy of Outlook 2003, backing up my 
Thunderbird, because neither of them have ribbons.


On 5/20/2015 9:20 PM, Andre Jarreau via Jfw wrote:

You mean to say there is another outlook other than 2010?  And other email
systems too?

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:49 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: deleting inbox

After such warm words from you and Andre, I hate to admit that I neglected
to say my instructions apply to Outlook 2010. I hope they work in other
email applications, too.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 6:48 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: deleting inbox

That is very nice indeed.  I don't have to tab because I have combo
boxes, but it works beautifully.  We sure do have some smart people
around here.  No one has ever done a really good tutorial using
Thunderbird, so I just crash around and manage OK, but sure do
appreciate tidbits like this.

On 5/20/2015 6:38 PM, Andre Jarreau via Jfw wrote:

Good stuff.  I always got confused on how many times to hit the Tab key.
Thanks for making that clear.  Andre

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian

Spratt

via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:27 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: deleting inbox

Can I suggest a less drastic solution? You just might have a message or

two

that you'll wish you'd read. Instead of deleting them all with control-a,
delete, do a search for a source you'll be comfortable losing. For

example,

to bring up all the messages you got from this list, do the  following:

Place focus at the message list in the inbox.

Press shift-control-f.

Tab five times to the edit field for the to line. Type jfw. Press enter.
This will bring up all messages sent to this list.

Eventually, JAWS will verbalize Find now. Press F6 to go to the list of
JFW messages.

Now press control-a, then the delete key. You'll be asked to confirm, so
press enter. Press escape to get out of the dialog.

Now your inbox will be a lot lighter.

You may have another huge source of messages. Just follow this procedure,
changing only the search term.

Except sometimes a word in the subject field will be the term you need. In
that case, tab just once after pressing shift-control-f to land in that

edit

field. If you want to search for a word in the From field, tab three

times

after pressing control-shift-f.

I hope this approach gives you a little more peace of mind. I'd hate to

miss

that one important or touching message someone sent.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David
Hardingham via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:47 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: David Hardingham
Subject: deleteing inbox

Hi all,

I have been in and out of the veterans admain hospital for awhile and have

a

ton of e mails.

Can I select all from my inbox and get rid of them all? I have wlm, jaws
14 so thanks in advance.

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Re: deleteing inbox

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I have a different email program.  However,  you may be able to do the 
same thing as I do.  You can do the control A to accept all then press 
the delete button which puts them in the trash folder.  Then in the 
files menu there is a choice to empty trash to get rid of all.
One other way if you really want them all gone in one fell swoop is to 
press your control a to accept all, then press shift plus delete key to 
bypass trash folder.


On 5/20/2015 5:47 PM, David Hardingham via Jfw wrote:

Hi all,

I have been in and out of the veterans admain hospital for awhile and have a 
ton of e mails.

Can I select all from my inbox and get rid of them all? I have wlm, jaws14 
so thanks in advance.

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Re: deleting inbox

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

That is very nice indeed.  I don't have to tab because I have combo 
boxes, but it works beautifully.  We sure do have some smart people 
around here.  No one has ever done a really good tutorial using 
Thunderbird, so I just crash around and manage OK, but sure do 
appreciate tidbits like this.


On 5/20/2015 6:38 PM, Andre Jarreau via Jfw wrote:

Good stuff.  I always got confused on how many times to hit the Tab key.
Thanks for making that clear.  Andre

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:27 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: RE: deleting inbox

Can I suggest a less drastic solution? You just might have a message or two
that you'll wish you'd read. Instead of deleting them all with control-a,
delete, do a search for a source you'll be comfortable losing. For example,
to bring up all the messages you got from this list, do the  following:

Place focus at the message list in the inbox.

Press shift-control-f.

Tab five times to the edit field for the to line. Type jfw. Press enter.
This will bring up all messages sent to this list.

Eventually, JAWS will verbalize Find now. Press F6 to go to the list of
JFW messages.

Now press control-a, then the delete key. You'll be asked to confirm, so
press enter. Press escape to get out of the dialog.

Now your inbox will be a lot lighter.

You may have another huge source of messages. Just follow this procedure,
changing only the search term.

Except sometimes a word in the subject field will be the term you need. In
that case, tab just once after pressing shift-control-f to land in that edit
field. If you want to search for a word in the From field, tab three times
after pressing control-shift-f.

I hope this approach gives you a little more peace of mind. I'd hate to miss
that one important or touching message someone sent.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of David
Hardingham via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 5:47 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: David Hardingham
Subject: deleteing inbox

Hi all,

I have been in and out of the veterans admain hospital for awhile and have a
ton of e mails.

Can I select all from my inbox and get rid of them all? I have wlm, jaws
14 so thanks in advance.

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Re: Bank of America website

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

y2k?  Again?  Smile.
Thank goodness for telephone banking.


On 5/19/2015 12:05 PM, Kimsan Song via Jfw wrote:

  I don't think it's just bank of America.
This past weekend, I got my utility bill in the email, and I went to
check it, and I got the same message as Adrian described.

I wonder if all these different sites are just making changes preparing for y2k.
:)

On 5/19/15, Drew Hunthausen via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:

I no longer have an account with BofA, but I also experienced this kind of
thing when I did. There would be certain times when the site just wouldn't
cooperate at all. Support was not able to give me any help, it seemed to
have to do with the day and time I tried to access, was never able to find
a
pattern.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 6:15 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Adrian Spratt
Subject: Bank of America website

Hi. This morning I'm unable to access a credit card account at Bank of
America. After logging in and clicking on the text version of my latest
statement, I get a message to the effect, We're unable to complete your
request at this time. I've had this problem in the past at BofA with IE.
After I got that message numerous times, a bank tech support rep determined
I could access the account with Firefox. As far as she was concerned, that
was sufficient. Since then, I've been able to access the account with IE.
However, this morning neither browser works.

Does anyone else have this experience? Any suggestions? Several people here
have reported positive online experiences with BofA, but I always find it
frustrating.
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Re: Window7 desktop typing character echo !!

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

It is insert v under general options.  Press the space bar to select 
what you want then enter.


On 5/18/2015 9:26 AM, O.Addison Gethers via Jfw wrote:

If insert +v is not the way then what is the jaws setting way to get type echo 
character ?

O. Addison Gethers

oag1rott...@hotmail.com

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   - Original Message -
   From: Mcginnis, Barbara via Jfw
   To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
   Cc: Mcginnis, Barbara
   Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 8:12 AM
   Subject: RE: Window7 desktop typing character echo !!


   Insert 2 does not make it permanent.

   -Original Message-
   From: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw [mailto:jfw@lists.the-jdh.com]
   Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 8:03 AM
   To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
   Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
   Subject: RE: Window7 desktop typing character echo !!

   Settings center also does it. It's the second option under User.

   Ted

   -Original Message-
   From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold 
via Jfw
   Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:17 PM
   To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
   Cc: Carolyn Arnold
   Subject: Re: Window7 desktop typing character echo !!

   Unless it's different than with JAWS 13 and the other versions I've had, for 
a permanent change to your screen echo, go to Insert V for JAWS Verbosity.
   You'll have to arrow through a lot of other options, but when you find it, 
there will be four choices - character; word; character and word; and no echo. 
While in a document, hit Insert 2 on the number keys above qwerty. It will give 
you the same choices.

   GIFT (God is forever true),

   Carolyn

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   To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
   Cc: O.Addison Gethers o.addisongeth...@gmail.com
   Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 9:58 PM
   Subject: Window7 desktop typing character echo !!


Hello All,
I need some help to get jaws 15 setting in typing character echo if
that what it's calll I think!! I'm talking about in internet
explorer,firefox,word document,messenger and e-mail  where I type
letter for example if I type H e l l o then when I press spacebar it's
say hello Does anyone understand what I'm talking about?
   
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Re: thoughts on latest jaws update

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I submitted a Thunderbird crash with JAWS 16 which FS was able to 
reproduce.  Hopefully, a fix will come out eventually.  Till then, it's 
15 for me as well.



On 5/18/2015 5:08 PM, Ward Dudley via Jfw wrote:

It is amazing the different things that happens to different people when
updates come out.  I am having to use JAWS 15 for web pages and on many
emails Thunderbird completely locks up with JAWS 16.

Ward

On 5/18/2015 8:12 AM, Soronel Haetir via Jfw wrote:

The login screen bit is not a jaws problem in any manner, it is simply
the way recent versions of windows behave. Even when a system only has
one user account you still have to activate the password field for
that one user before entering it.


On 5/17/15, Peter op t Hof via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:

Ok!

To add some problems i notice that:

*Status of change in country-settings is read partially
*Loginscreen sometimes is not read, you have to press Enter
intuitivly to open the passwordbox
*Slightly better support in reading text in Thunderbird but less
betterr then 2 updates ago


I am working on Windows 8 with enough memory so that is not the problem.

Dutch greetings,

Peeter.


Melissa STOTT via Jfw schreef op 18-5-2015 om 03:25:

So far, I have had no issues with the latest update. I am using
windows 7.
When Jaws 16 was first released, it would freeze up on me, but it
hasn't
done that in a while. The only problem I can see right now, is that the
MLB scores in research it is still broken.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 17, 2015, at 4:12 PM, Merv Keck via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
wrote:

Hi,

I have not had that happen as of yet. However, I have been required
quite
often to hit insert escape in order to refresh the screen on web sites
such
as Amazon because buttons or other options are not showing themselves.
In
fact last night I spent more than fifteen minutes in my checkout
procedure
trying to switch from my default credit card to a different debit card
on
amazon. The Change option would not show itself no way no how. Finally
after
a great deal of frustration the insert escape made the change option
available and I was able to choose another card and finish checking
out.
What should have taken two minutes took almost twenty. This is nothing
new
with Jaws and amazon. And I don't know if it is a Jaws thing, an
amazon
thing, a coding thing, or what.

Because it occurs even if Magic is running.

Merv



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Re: Another J16 Update Available

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Um, I don't find much comfort in this new update.  I'm back to 15, as my 
Thunderbird has crashed several times, which doesn't happen with 15.  I 
have found 16 to be most unstable.



On 5/15/2015 10:04 AM, Kevin Hourigan via Jfw wrote:

Hello,
My Jaws 16, (prior to this newest up-date), windows 7 64 bit did not do
the restart you refer to.
Cheers Kevin.

-Original Message- From: Chris Jenkins via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 4:30 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Chris Jenkins
Subject: RE: Another J16 Update Available

Hello.

I suspect the problem that they corrected was the problem where JAWS for
Windows was restarting over three times a day.  At least I have not seen
this on my machine.  Since the latest update, and I was seeing it very
frequently before the update.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Loreal via
Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 5:34 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Loreal
Subject: RE: Another J16 Update Available



i agree. This is perplexing to me as well.


Happy Connecting. Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S® 5

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From: Lisle, Ted  (CHFS DMS) via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Date: 05/14/2015  11:30 AM  (GMT-05:00)
To: The Jaws for Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Lisle, Ted  (CHFS DMS) ted.li...@ky.gov
Subject: RE: Another J16 Update Available

If they only address one, let's hope it's the Valium Syndrome!

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michal
Nowicki via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 8:40 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Michal Nowicki
Subject: RE: Another J16 Update Available

Unfortunately, the release notes for this update are very generic; all
FS says is that it corrects an issue that had been made known to the
company through automatic error reporting.  While this suggests that the
update is minor, the timing of its release is quite thought-provoking,
as it hasn't been too long since the previous update came out.  Besides,
why would FS release an update that addresses only one issue?  To my
knowledge, this has never happened before.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Michael B.
via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 7:23 PM
To: JFW List
Cc: Michael B.
Subject: Another J16 Update Available

Hi All,

Another update for J16 is available, J16.0.2342.  I didn't have time to
find out what's new in this release.

32 Bit:

http://files.freedomscientific.com/WebFiles/JAWS/J16.0.2342ENU-x86.exe

64 Bit:

http://files.freedomscientific.com/WebFiles/JAWS/J16.0.2342ENU-x64.exe


Take care.
Mike
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Re: HJPad

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I suppose it is.  But really eight appears to be quite a dud, which is 
why Microsoft is reverting back to the 7-style start menu and such in W 10.



On 5/13/2015 1:19 PM, Gennie Eachus via Jfw wrote:

According to F.S. it is the way eight does things. Had to call them to learn
how to find hjpad.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Lisle, Ted
(CHFS DMS) via Jfw
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 7:09 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS)
Subject: RE: HJPad

Is it FS, or is it the way 8.X stores files?

Ted
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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 5:18 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: HJPad

That's incredible!
Why on earth would Freedom Scientific want to hide all those programs in
such a ridiculous manner?
Why not name that folder something more meaningful such as ... I don't know.
Let's have a contest to  come up with a more meaningful folder name and
suggest it to FS?

On 5/11/2015 4:52 PM, Londa Peterson via Jfw wrote:

I recently saw that someone was wanting to find HJPad and couldn't do
so. In Windows 7, this is fairly easy, but not so in Windows 8.1. I
got curious, so I started looking around. I finally found it, and here's

how I did it.


1.   Press the Windows key to get to the start screen if you aren't
already there.

2.   Tab once. You will land on a button that says apps.

3.   Press the space bar to activate this  button.

4.   You will then be presented with a very long list of everything

that

is on your computer. Type jaws. It will automatically go into the
search box.

5.   Start arrowing down. The item you want is called utilities JAWS
16. I assume if you're using a different version number you would
find the same thing with the number of your JAWS version. I only have
16 on the particular machine I tested on.

6.   Press enter on this item, and you will find all of the things you
used to find in the JAWS program group in all programs on older
versions of Windows.

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Re: Computer games.

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Yes they do.

On 5/12/2015 2:58 PM, Michael Mote via Jfw wrote:

I'm wondering if the Kitchen Sinc games work under Windows 7.  I know they
work using Xp, but I'm not sure about Windows 7 64 bit systems.


-Original Message-
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Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:52 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Paul Lemm
Subject: RE: Computer games.

Hi Keith ,

Not sure about the games in the link I sent yesterday, but there are many
multi player games  that one or more people can play on the same computer.
One good website is  for Jim Kitchens audio games, it contains games such as
monopoly, game of life  and many more that are multi player and also some
really good fun single player games such  as golf, driving games and many
more.  All games are again free on his site ,  although all of jim kitchen's
games don't actually require jaws as they are all self-voicing using the
PC's built in voice  called SAPPI 5.  Below is the link to his games  .

http://kitchensinc.jgriffith.com/ttsgames/ttsgames.htm

regards

Paul Lemm

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Keith G., M.D. via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:32 AM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Subject: RE: Computer games.

I understand these are all single computer games, but are they all single
player games? Are any of them playable by more than 1 player using the same
computer? Thanks, Keith

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Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 4:45 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Paul Lemm
Subject: RE: Computer games.

Hi Carolyne ,

I play a lot of audio games on my PC and iPhone , everything from card
games, to golf to more complex   games all really fun and totally accessible
using either jaws or my phones screen reader , would definitely recommend
trying a couple of audio games for yourself .

As for the spoonville  games, I took a look at their website and they have a
section for blind games which will all either work with jaws or be
self-voicing and use the built in computer  voice, also all the blind games
on the site are free too. in fact after taking a look at their website I
realised  I have one of their games already  .

Below is the direct link to the blind games part of the spoonville website

http://www.omninet.net.au/~irhumph/blindgamers.htm

Paul Lemm

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 5:54 PM
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Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Re: Computer games.

Thank you. I haven't played games on the computer, think I might enjoy it
and will save your link. This was what I found on Google, but you may have
too:

https://www.zonebbs.com/boards.php?t=20392

GIFT (God is forever true),

Carolyn

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To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Paul Lemm paul.l...@sky.com
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 11:00 AM
Subject: RE: Computer games.



Hi,

I play lots of  audio computer games, I'm not sure which web site you
mean as I googled it and couldn't find it. Below is a link to a
website that lists most audio computer games so they should all work
with jaws and if not they just use the windows built in voice (which
is called sappy instead of jaws).  If you forward me the link I will
take a look and let you know if the games work with jaws. If you have
any questions about the audio games website below feel free to ask



http://www.audiogames.net/page.php?pagefile=_Audyssey_Magazine_issue_42_-_th

ird_quarter_2004_ spoonville software
-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn
Arnold via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 11:46 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Computer games.

Computer games.
Do any of you know if this site is really JAWS friendly -

Vg Games - Spoonvill Software

GIFT (God is forever true),

Carolyn


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Re: HJPad

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I suppose that perhaps Hj Pad is not on your computer.  As someone 
suggested, type HjPad in the search box and see what happens.


On 5/11/2015 9:19 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw wrote:

I followed this path in Windows Explorer and the HJPad. was not there.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via 
Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 7:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: HJPad

Keith,

This is not part of Win 7, it is part of JAWS. Here's the location for
JAWS16 on a Win 7 installation:

C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\16.0\HJPAD.EXE

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 05:02 PM
Subject: RE: HJPad


I give up. Where is it in Windows 7? I can't find it. Keith

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From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Londa Peterson
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 3:53 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Londa Peterson
Subject: HJPad

I recently saw that someone was wanting to find HJPad and couldn't do so. In
Windows 7, this is fairly easy, but not so in Windows 8.1. I got curious, so
I started looking around. I finally found it, and here's how I did it.

1.   Press the Windows key to get to the start screen if you aren't
already there.

2.   Tab once. You will land on a button that says apps.

3.   Press the space bar to activate this  button.

4.   You will then be presented with a very long list of everything that
is on your computer. Type jaws. It will automatically go into the search
box.

5.   Start arrowing down. The item you want is called utilities JAWS
16. I assume if you're using a different version number you would find the
same thing with the number of your JAWS version. I only have 16 on the
particular machine I tested on.

6.   Press enter on this item, and you will find all of the things you
used to find in the JAWS program group in all programs on older versions of
Windows.

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Re: HJPad

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Have someone, like FS tech support,  do a JAWS Tandem session with you 
to see if you have the program.



On 5/11/2015 9:34 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw wrote:

When I open the Start Menu and type HJPad, I find the following:

Run HJPad R

When I enter on the above, it reverts to my Desktop.

I'm stumped.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell 
via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 8:29 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Maria Campbell
Subject: Re: HJPad

I suppose that perhaps Hj Pad is not on your computer.  As someone
suggested, type HjPad in the search box and see what happens.

On 5/11/2015 9:19 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via Jfw wrote:

I followed this path in Windows Explorer and the HJPad. was not there.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson via 
Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 7:42 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Dave Carlson
Subject: Re: HJPad

Keith,

This is not part of Win 7, it is part of JAWS. Here's the location for
JAWS16 on a Win 7 installation:

C:\Program Files\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\16.0\HJPAD.EXE

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Musician, and pioneer

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To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 05:02 PM
Subject: RE: HJPad


I give up. Where is it in Windows 7? I can't find it. Keith

-Original Message-
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via Jfw
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 3:53 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Cc: Londa Peterson
Subject: HJPad

I recently saw that someone was wanting to find HJPad and couldn't do so. In
Windows 7, this is fairly easy, but not so in Windows 8.1. I got curious, so
I started looking around. I finally found it, and here's how I did it.

1.   Press the Windows key to get to the start screen if you aren't
already there.

2.   Tab once. You will land on a button that says apps.

3.   Press the space bar to activate this  button.

4.   You will then be presented with a very long list of everything that
is on your computer. Type jaws. It will automatically go into the search
box.

5.   Start arrowing down. The item you want is called utilities JAWS
16. I assume if you're using a different version number you would find the
same thing with the number of your JAWS version. I only have 16 on the
particular machine I tested on.

6.   Press enter on this item, and you will find all of the things you
used to find in the JAWS program group in all programs on older versions of
Windows.

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Re: Keyboard issue

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I have a bit of a keyboard issue as well.  Does anyone know how to 
change the tension of the keys?  I like a keyboard where the keys aren't 
springy, but go all the way to the bottom so to speak.

It might be easier just to change keyboards, eh?


On 5/10/2015 10:53 AM, Lee Anne Atkinson via Jfw wrote:

Hi,

When I had an older Das keyboard and JAWS 13 I occasionally would have a
similar issue.  When this happened I would simply shut down JAWS, restart it
and the problem went away.  Not sure what was happening but but an easy fix
for a frustrating problem.  Did you try that?

Lee Anne

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McDevitt via Jfw
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 8:45 PM
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Cc: Justin McDevitt
Subject: Keyboard issue



Hello list members,

I just purchased a new keyboard. An issue that I am having, (which I've had
in one way or another (most often with new keyboards is that when typing
spaces between words are not recognized. Also, letters are often left out of
some words, (particularly the U in the word You. As a result, even with
shorter email messages, or Word documents, I'm using spell check (sometimes
8-10 times to add a missing letter to a specific word, or to insert a space
between words.

It may be that I am typing too lightly and need to press harder on the
keyboard when I am typing and inserting spaces between words. I don't know?
What I do know is that this is frustrating. Is there a command within JAWS
that can fix this issue, or reduce its frequency of occurrence?

I would appreciate any help with this.

Best,  Justin

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Re: Computer games.

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

That site is very accessible.
Also there are at least two sites for interactive gaming.
They are RS games and Quentin's Playroom.  They require an account for 
membership.



On 5/9/2015 11:00 AM, Paul Lemm via Jfw wrote:

Hi,

I play lots of  audio computer games, I'm not sure which web site you mean
as I googled it and couldn't find it. Below is a link to a website that
lists most audio computer games so they should all work with jaws and if not
they just use the windows built in voice (which is called sappy instead of
jaws).  If you forward me the link I will take a look and let you know if
the games work with jaws. If you have any questions about the audio games
website below feel free to ask

http://www.audiogames.net/page.php?pagefile=_Audyssey_Magazine_issue_42_-_th
ird_quarter_2004_ spoonville software
-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Arnold
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 11:46 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Cc: Carolyn Arnold
Subject: Computer games.

Computer games.
Do any of you know if this site is really JAWS friendly -

Vg Games - Spoonvill Software

GIFT (God is forever true),

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Re: ResearchIt

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

It does not.


On 5/4/2015 4:40 PM, Dennis Brown via Jfw wrote:

Does anyone know if the latest build of 16 fixes the MLB scores on ResearchIt?

Thanks,
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Re: Jaws question

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

You can also go to desktop and press J and enter if you don't have any 
thing else starting with J.


On 4/23/2015 10:15 PM, Jennifer Aberdeen via Jfw wrote:

Hi all,

I’ve been trying to find the answer to my question in Jaws help, but for the 
life of me, I can’t find the answer.

How do I turn Jaws back on after turning it off?

I thought it was alt+control+J, but that doesn’t seem to work.

I had shut Jaws off so my sighted niece could use my computer without any 
annoyance from Jaws, but the only way I know how to get it back on is if I 
restart my computer.

Thanks,

Jen

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Re: NBA MLB scores in research it

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MLB and NBA changed their sites, and FS has to catch up.


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On 4/16/2015 8:40 AM, Stan Holdeman via Jfw wrote:

Using J16 latest update, neither NBA nor MLB scores are getting anything in 
Research It. NHL scores are coming in.

True for everyone or just me?

Stan
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Re: NBA MLB scores in research it

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I'm sure there are other places for scores and schedules, including on 
the MLB site itself, but one site I use is

http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/scores/mlb/2015/04/016


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On 4/16/2015 11:09 AM, crayton via Jfw wrote:

that has been the same thing every single year

On Apr 16, 2015, at 9:54 AM, Dennis via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:

everyone. mlb usually brakes around this time every year when the season starts 
because they treak mlb.com. amazon is also still acting funky.

On 4/16/2015 8:40 AM, Stan Holdeman via Jfw wrote:

Using J16 latest update, neither NBA nor MLB scores are getting anything in 
Research It. NHL scores are coming in.

True for everyone or just me?

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Re: Navigating between tabs with Internet Explorer

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Control plus tab key.


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On 4/4/2015 6:22 PM, Bill White via Jfw wrote:

What command key combination is used to navigate between open tabs in Internet 
Explorer?

Thank you.
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Re: IE and JAWS

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

If you are not having any issues with IE 10 and JAWS 16 stick with it.  
Otherwise IE 11 is the latest.



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On 3/26/2015 4:30 PM, Andre Jarreau via Jfw wrote:

Hi all,
Would like to know what version of IE works best with JAWS 16 latest
version.  Currently I use IE 10.  Is there another IE that works just as
well as IE 10 with JAWS 16?
  
Thanks
  
Andre

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Re: Append to clipboard command

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It only works with JAWS 16 and up.


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On 3/25/2015 8:35 PM, Onwardbob via Jfw wrote:

This isn't working for me, what could I be doing wrong. Using W-7 with JAWS
13.

BOB SOUTAR.ONWARD THRU THE FOG

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Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2015 3:58 AM
To: 'Bill White'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Append to clipboard command

Search for :
jaws commands
insert+spacebar, then the letter J

Append Selected Text To Clipboard. Insert + Windows + C

With the Freedom clipboard, text will be appended to the clipboard, adding
it to the clipboard at the end of the previous clipboard content. Using a
Copy To Clipboard command instead of an Append To Clipboard command will
erase any previous clipboard content and replace it with the new content.

JAWSKey + Windows + C

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Subject: Append to clipboard command

What is the append to clipboard command for JAWS16?

Thank you.
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Re: Append to clipboard command

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

That key combo is insert plus windows plus c.
Don't forget that you can look that up now with the insert plus space 
bar plus j then type what you're looking for.

That's new in JAWS 16.


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On 3/24/2015 5:51 PM, Bill White via Jfw wrote:

What is the append to clipboard command for JAWS16?

Thank you.
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Re: Inquiry about JAWS accessible software for employees of Call Centers

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

It also depends on how far the employer is willing to accommodate the 
job for the blind applicant.  I worked for a phone company that hired a 
JAWS specialist, recommended by FS, to script the program used by said 
company.

I was lucky indeed.


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On 3/20/2015 7:56 AM, Tim Ford via Jfw wrote:

Hi All,

Junior Blind of America, headquartered in Los Angeles, conducts call 
center
training for folks using screen readers.  I asked them if they could 
provide
any information or material relating to this discussion.  Their 
response is

below and their information is attached.  If the attachments are scrubbed
from my email, I will be happy to provide them to anyone who asks me 
with an

off-list email.

I hope this is helpful to the discussion.

Tim Ford


[Here is what they told me.]
...
The software we use, which is the only one we've found that works with 
JAWS,

is TCN. The link is below. A representative told us there is additional
language support. They have provided us with a training manual with JAWS
commands and hot keys. I have included that as an attachment. The 
software

was not initially compatible and still has some kinks but they have been
motivated to find solutions and, I believe, three other blindness 
agencies

with contact centers use this same software.

https://www.tcnp3.com/home/company/contact/


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Re: how to scan document to your computer

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Can this be done for Kurzweil as well.  I mean keep exact view set 
somewhere?



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On 3/17/2015 8:10 AM, Diana Brent via Jfw wrote:

   If you set OpenBook for Keep Exact View, it will not reformat the material.

Diana

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To: Feliciano Godoy theblindman...@gmail.com,The Jaws for Windows support list. 
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Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2015 8:44 am
Subject: Re: how to scan document to your computer



Be aware that if you use openBook, it reformats your document.  The
information is still there, but in whatever order OpenBook in its
great wisdom decides to place it.


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Re: Skipping past the list of recipients in a forwarded e-mail sent to a large number of people

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The best way to skip forwards is not to get them or pass them on.
One can forward an email without passing on the forwards.


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On 3/15/2015 1:23 PM, Michal Nowicki via Jfw wrote:

Dear JAWS Users,

  


Since I am on several mailing lists, I often receive e-mails forwarded by
list members that were originally sent to a large number of recipients
(often more than 20).  These messages usually contain announcements, such as
event reminders or policy changes.  In order to read these messages,
however, I must first skip past the list of original recipients, which, not
surprisingly, is very time-consuming in these cases.  That said, is there a
way to skip past this information quickly?  I use JAWS 16, Windows 8.1, and
Outlook 2013.  So far, I tried, to no avail, to navigate by paragraph and to
press Page down, but that didn't advance the virtual cursor far enough.  I
also tried pressing the letter n, but I learned that this feature is not
available inside Outlook messages.  Does anyone have any suggestions?

  


Best,

  


Michal

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Re: bookmarks in Mozilla

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Are you using control plus shift plus b to show all bookmarks?  Or are 
you looking at alt plus b for bookmarks in general?
There is an application to sync your Internet Explorer bookmarks to 
Mozilla, but I forgot how it's done.

Sorry.


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On 2/27/2015 2:27 PM, Gennie Eachus via Jfw wrote:

Hi,

  


I have to use Mozilla for my bank and grocery store. I have tried to create
bookmarks. I can't retrieve the bookmarks. Has anyone had any success with
using bookmarks?

  


Thanks.

  


Gennie

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Food for thought

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Well I sent a message to the other list, which has absolutely gone mum 
on the subject I put out there.
As many of us are on both list, I'm just wondering if anyone has any 
thoughts on the possibility that versions of JAWS can be adversely 
affected by virus protection that might think of aspects of JAWS as 
being malware.
I believe this has happened to me in the past, thus messing up some of 
my JAWS versions and possibly passing on any corruption caused by virus 
protection deleting any files considered suspect.

Yes, no, maybe so?

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Re: Food for thought

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Remind me not to mess around with Avast.  Smile.


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On 2/26/2015 7:42 PM, Brad Martin via Jfw wrote:
I had this happen with Avast on three different computers, but only 
one time on each machine. I booted up, and Avast promptly deleted the 
jfw.exe file. It happened on all three computers around the same time, 
so I assumed an update to Avast definitions prevented the problem from 
recurring.  When JAWS quit working, I went into Safe Mode, did a 
system restore, and JAWS came back. I never had that problem again on 
the same machine.


Brad



On 2/26/2015 6:40 PM, Peter Donahue via Jfw wrote:

Maria Campbell via Jfw wrote:
Well I sent a message to the other list, which has absolutely gone 
mum on the subject I put out there.
As many of us are on both list, I'm just wondering if anyone has any 
thoughts on the possibility that versions of JAWS can be adversely 
affected by virus protection that might think of aspects of JAWS as 
being malware.
I believe this has happened to me in the past, thus messing up some 
of my JAWS versions and possibly passing on any corruption caused by 
virus protection deleting any files considered suspect.

Yes, no, maybe so?


Good evening Maria and everyone,
All worked well for a week until we came home one evening. Avast said 
it detected a threat. Later we discovered that it removed JAWS. 
Freedom Scientific told me that this is a know issue with Avast. It 
can only be remedied with assistance from Avast. It sounds like we 
need to urge developers of antivirus and other computer protection 
pacakges to redesign their products so they will not detect assistive 
software as threats. Avast works well with JFW under Windows XP.


Peter Donahue


We recently had this happen on my wife's computer running Windows 
7 and Avast.


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Re: Random gibberish in the middle of articles

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I'm told these spurious characters have to do with ads on these sites.
You might try an ad blocker such as the one that can be found at
https://adblockplus.org/


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On 2/19/2015 5:20 PM, Robert Logue via Jfw wrote:
I'm finding more and more of the same with both Firefox and IE 11. It 
seems Jaws html settings don't prevent this by default.

Not sure if Jaws can be configured to be less verbose there.

What is that anyway? I heard it has something to do with web scripts 
but don't recall any error messages reported by the browsers.


Bob

On 1/26/2015 3:19 AM, Rahul Bajaj via Jfw wrote:

Hi All,

While reading articles on a large array of websites on Firefox, I
often have to encounter random gibberish which considerably undermines
the joy of reading. I am pasting below the text that I encountered the
last time in the middle of an article:
1-0-1;62190;!doctype htmlhtmlheadstyle!--
a:link { color: #00 }a:visited { color: #00 }a:hover { color:
#00 }a:active { color: #00 } --/stylescript!--
(function(){var d=this,f=function(a){var b=typeof
a;if(object==b)if(a){if(a instanceof Array)returnarray;if(a
instanceof Object)return b;var
c=Object.prototype.toString.call(a);if([object
Window]==c)returnobject;if([object Array]==c||number==typeof
a.lengthundefined!=typeof a.spliceundefined!=typeof
a.propertyIsEnumerable!a.propertyIsEnumerable(splice))returnarray;if([object 


Function]==c||undefined!=typeof a.callundefined!=typeof
a.propertyIsEnumerable!a.propertyIsEnumerable(call))returnfunction}else 


returnnull;else
if(function==bundefined==typeof a.call)returnobject;return
b};var g;e:{var h=d.navigator;if(h){var k=h.userAgent;if(k){g=k;break
e}}g=};var 
l=-1!=g.indexOf(Opera)||-1!=g.indexOf(OPR),n=-1!=g.indexOf(Trident)||-1!=g.indexOf(MSIE),p=-1!=g.indexOf(Gecko)-1==g.toLowerCase().indexOf(webkit)!(-1!=g.indexOf(Trident)||-1!=g.indexOf(MSIE)),q=-1!=g.toLowerCase().indexOf(webkit);(function(){var

a=,b;if(ld.opera)return
a=d.opera.version,function==f(a)?a():a;p?b=/rv\:([^\);]+)(\)|;)/:n?b=/\b(?:MSIE|rv)[: 

]([^\);]+)(\)|;)/:q(b=/WebKit\/(\S+)/);b(a=(a=b.exec(g))?a[1]:);return 


n(b=(b=d.document)?b.documentMode:void
0,bparseFloat(a))?String(b):a})();var r={};window.ss=function(a){void
0!==r[a]?r[a]++:r[a]=1;var
b=document.getElementById(a),c=r[a];if(window.css)css(a,nm,c,void
0,void 0);else if(b){a=b.href;var
e=a.indexOf(nm=);if(0e)c=a+nm=+c;else var
e=e+4,m=a.indexOf(,e),c=0=m?a.substring(0,e)+c+a.substring(m):a.substring(0,e)+c;b.href=2E3c.length?a:c}};})();function 


su(id) {var a = document.getElementById(id);var b = (new
Date()).getTime();if (a  a.myt  b) {var t = b - a.myt;if
(window.css) {css(id,'clkt',t);return;}var
bi = a.href.indexOf(clkt=);if (bi  0) {var c = a.href.substring(0,
bi+6); var d = a.href.substring(bi+6, a.href.length);var ei =
d.indexOf();var
r = '';if (ei = 0)r = d.substring(ei, d.length);a.href = c + t + r; }
else {a.href += clkt= + t;}}}(function(){var
d=this,g=function(a){var b=typeof
a;if(object==b)if(a){if(a instanceof Array)returnarray;if(a
instanceof Object)return b;var
c=Object.prototype.toString.call(a);if([object
Window]==c)returnobject;if([object
Array]==c||number==typeof a.lengthundefined!=typeof
a.spliceundefined!=typeof
a.propertyIsEnumerable!a.propertyIsEnumerable(splice))returnarray;if([object 


Function]==c||undefined!=typeof a.callundefined!=typeof
a.propertyIsEnumerable!a.propertyIsEnumerable(call))returnfunction}else 


returnnull;else
if(function==bundefined==typeof a.call)returnobject;return
b};var h;e:{var k=d.navigator;if(k){var l=k.userAgent;if(l){h=l;break
e}}h=};var 
m=-1!=h.indexOf(Opera)||-1!=h.indexOf(OPR),n=-1!=h.indexOf(Trident)||-1!=h.indexOf(MSIE),p=-1!=h.indexOf(Gecko)-1==h.toLowerCase().indexOf(webkit)!(-1!=h.indexOf(Trident)||-1!=h.indexOf(MSIE)),q=-1!=h.toLowerCase().indexOf(webkit);(function(){var

a=,b;if(md.opera)return
a=d.opera.version,function==g(a)?a():a;p?b=/rv\:([^\);]+)(\)|;)/:n?b=/\b(?:MSIE|rv)[: 

]([^\);]+)(\)|;)/:q(b=/WebKit\/(\S+)/);b(a=(a=b.exec(h))?a[1]:);return 


n(b=(b=d.document)?b.documentMode:void
0,bparseFloat(a))?String(b):a})();var
r=function(a,b,c,e){if(window.css)css(b,c,e,void 0,void 0);else
if(a){b=a.href;var
f=+c+=;c=b.indexOf(f);0c?e=b+f+e:(c+=f.length,f=b.indexOf(,c),e=0=f?b.substring(0,c)+e+b.substring(f):b.substring(0,c)+e);a.href=2E3e.length?b:e}};var 

t=null,u=function(a){t=a};document.addEventListenerdocument.addEventListener(mousedown,u,!0);window.xy=function(a,b,c){c=c||b;if((a=a||t)bc){var 

e=Math.round(a.clientY-c.offsetTop),f=b.id;r(b,f,nx,Math.round(a.clientX-c.offsetLeft));r(b,f,ny,e)}};})();(function(){var 


d=this,f=function(a){var

What could be the reason for this? How can I fix it? I am using JAWS
15 on a Windows 7 machine.

Best,
Rahul

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Re: Free Dictionary for window 7 for Jaws 13

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

What's wrong with alternative methods? Besides stand alone was not 
specified.



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On 2/17/2015 11:21 AM, Bill White via Jfw wrote:
Why is it that when someone asks if there is a stand-alone dictionary 
for the PC, people begin to post websites for dictionaries, or to 
suggest Google?


These are not dictionaries for the computer, and they don't give most 
of the things associated with a good dictionary such as etimology.

Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
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To: O.Addison Gethers o.addisongeth...@gmail.com; The Jaws for 
Windows support list. jfw@lists.the-jdh.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: Free Dictionary for window 7 for Jaws 13



for a free dictionary,
you can do a define word in the google search box even if it is 
misspelled, it will work.
it will give you the correct spelling, pronounciation, whether it is 
verb, noun, etc; there is even a listen button to hear how it is 
supposed to sound.

I use it all the time.


-Original Message- From: O.Addison Gethers via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 10:58 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support mailing list
Subject: Free Dictionary for window 7 for Jaws 13

Hello All,
A friend of mine have desktop computer with window 7 and have jaws 13 
!! Does anybody know where she can download free dictionary that is 
compalible and accessible for her computer? Because I have try to 
download wordweb7 dictionary and it's won't download in her computer 
so I think wordweb7 isn't compalible and accessible for her computer 
,Is there another free dictionary programs she can try to download ?


O. Addison Gethers

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Re: i tunes

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Insert q shuts down NVDA.


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On 2/3/2015 1:38 PM, stintonjoe--- via Jfw wrote:
ok just so every one knows I did down load m d v a and as said it 
works with I tunes, so not a answer but a work around for now until 
apple sort out I tunes.
now one question I have and ok this is now very loosely to do with 
jaws but hope with the conversation as it is I can ask this question, 
is there a short cut key to turn off M d V A, as the only way I found 
was to put jaws back on and reboot the pc which seems to work but a 
little long winded.


cheers Joe

-Original Message- From: Michal Nowicki via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 5:06 PM
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: i tunes

Dear Joe and All,

I am experiencing the same problems you are as a result of updating to
iTunes 12.1.  In addition, as I navigate through the list of 
artists/albums,

JAWS simply announces unlabeled, making this task impossible. Based on
these observations and posts found on AppleVis forums, I must say that
iTunes has become unusable with JAWS, at least when it comes to 
navigating
the iTunes library; I haven't tested the new version with the iTunes 
store.
What scares me even more, though, is that WindowEyes users are 
complaining
about the update as well, given that, as you may recall, GW Micro's 
screen

reader was the first to support iTunes for Windows, and that even after
support was extended to JAWS and NVDA, Apple continued to recommend
WindowEyes for blind users accessing iTunes with a pc.

With that in mind, we JAWS users need to act! As soon as I send this
message, I will call Apple's accessibility line, and I strongly advise 
you

to do the same.  Apple obviously needs to hear from us, and the more
complaints the company gets, the more likely it is to address this issue.
The toll-free phone number for the helpline that serves customers who use
assistive technology is (877) 204-3930.

In the meantime, consider exploring the following options:
1.  Fortunately, iTunes 12.1 still works quite well with Nonvisual 
Desktop
Access (NVDA), a free, open-source screen reader that, at times, is 
capable

of reading things neither JAWS nor WindowEyes can handle.
2.  If you don't want to try NVDA, consider downloading and installing 
the

BlindTunes JAWS scripts.  If you choose to do this, please keep in mind,
however, that these scripts were written for iTunes 11, so they may or 
may

not continue to work as expected, or at all.
3.  Finally, if you don't like either option, ask Apple if they can 
help you

go back to a previous version of iTunes.  They may be able to do this for
you if you can explain your situation to them.

Good Luck!

Michal

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of 
stintonjoe---

via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2015 3:02 AM
To: jaws users
Subject: i tunes

Hi all

since update ding I tunes today , now when I move around my albums jaws
doesn't read them, but if I tab about 5  times it will say the name of 
the

album but not when I am at the start  and just curser around.
now my wife says it all looks the same but I have no idea what to do 
about

this.
so as any one got any ideas?
I have windows 7 jaws 12

thanks in advance Joe
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Re: the best laptop

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I think it's all relative.  I had nothing but Toshiba laptops, with num 
pads and application key.
I've had very good luck with them.  Also I use an external keyboard most 
of the time.



Sunny Day
Maria Campbell
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Blaise Pascal

On 1/27/2015 12:28 AM, Kristoffer Gustafsson via Jfw wrote:

Hi.¨
Recently I bought a desktop computer for my home. (hp prodesk 600)
I've god a laptop too, but I fell that it is time to perhaps throw it away.
I mean, you need Bluetooth, dvd writer etc these Days. My computer
I've got now has none of this.
So when I want to burn a cd/dvd anywhere else than home it is nearly impossible.
I've tried external dvd writer, but this is not good at all.
I'm thinking about Three computers.
hp probook 650, probook 470 g2, prodesk 470 g1.
Are these good?
Also if I've got a larger screen sice, does the keyboard get larger?
I thought that maybe it was easier to write of I take a 70 laptop?
Or do you have any other laptop suggestions?
All these Three come with core i7 processor.
/Kristoffer
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Re: Random gibberish in the middle of articles

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Really JAWS has many ways of navigation and getting away from junk.  
Insert 7 for links, you can move by buttons, frames, edit fields, etc.  
If you're smart, unlike me, you can create rules to skip all sorts of 
unwanted stuff.
Despite all our complaints, there is truly nothing out there better than 
JAWS, in my humble opinion.



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On 1/26/2015 9:20 AM, Bissett, Tom via Jfw wrote:

I find the easiest way to skip past these is to do a find on frame end with 
out the quotes.
Tom Bisset
-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw
Sent: January 26, 2015 9:44 AM
To: Rahul Bajaj; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Random gibberish in the middle of articles

Hi, Rahul. I believe this is caused by scripts which are supposed to render the 
web page in a particular style or code. If the code or the script on the page 
fails to work correctly, you are left seeing the code instead of having the 
code display as the text or image which it is supposed to display.

This also happens to me, and I just have to skip over the jibberish.
Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
- Original Message -
From: Rahul Bajaj via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 2:19 AM
Subject: Random gibberish in the middle of articles



Hi All,

While reading articles on a large array of websites on Firefox, I
often have to encounter random gibberish which considerably undermines
the joy of reading. I am pasting below the text that I encountered the
last time in the middle of an article:
1-0-1;62190;!doctype htmlhtmlheadstyle!--
a:link { color: #00 }a:visited { color: #00 }a:hover { color:
#00 }a:active { color: #00 }  --/stylescript!--
(function(){var d=this,f=function(a){var b=typeof
a;if(object==b)if(a){if(a instanceof Array)returnarray;if(a
instanceof Object)return b;var
c=Object.prototype.toString.call(a);if([object
Window]==c)returnobject;if([object Array]==c||number==typeof
a.lengthundefined!=typeof a.spliceundefined!=typeof
a.propertyIsEnumerable!a.propertyIsEnumerable(splice))returnarray;if([object
Function]==c||undefined!=typeof a.callundefined!=typeof
a.propertyIsEnumerable!a.propertyIsEnumerable(call))returnfunction}else
returnnull;else
if(function==bundefined==typeof a.call)returnobject;return
b};var g;e:{var h=d.navigator;if(h){var k=h.userAgent;if(k){g=k;break
e}}g=};var
l=-1!=g.indexOf(Opera)||-1!=g.indexOf(OPR),n=-1!=g.indexOf(Trident)||-1!=g.indexOf(MSIE),p=-1!=g.indexOf(Gecko)-1==g.toLowerCase().indexOf(webkit)!(-1!=g.indexOf(Trident)||-1!=g.indexOf(MSIE)),q=-1!=g.toLowerCase().indexOf(webkit);(function(){var
a=,b;if(ld.opera)return
a=d.opera.version,function==f(a)?a():a;p?b=/rv\:([^\);]+)(\)|;)/:n?b=/\b(?:MSIE|rv)[:
]([^\);]+)(\)|;)/:q(b=/WebKit\/(\S+)/);b(a=(a=b.exec(g))?a[1]:);return
n(b=(b=d.document)?b.documentMode:void
0,bparseFloat(a))?String(b):a})();var r={};window.ss=function(a){void
0!==r[a]?r[a]++:r[a]=1;var
b=document.getElementById(a),c=r[a];if(window.css)css(a,nm,c,void
0,void 0);else if(b){a=b.href;var
e=a.indexOf(nm=);if(0e)c=a+nm=+c;else var
e=e+4,m=a.indexOf(,e),c=0=m?a.substring(0,e)+c+a.substring(m):a.substring(0,e)+c;b.href=2E3c.length?a:c}};})();function
su(id) {var a = document.getElementById(id);var b = (new
Date()).getTime();if (a  a.myt  b) {var t = b - a.myt;if
(window.css) {css(id,'clkt',t);return;}var
bi = a.href.indexOf(clkt=);if (bi  0) {var c = a.href.substring(0,
bi+6); var d = a.href.substring(bi+6, a.href.length);var ei =
d.indexOf();var
r = '';if (ei = 0)r = d.substring(ei, d.length);a.href = c + t + r; }
else {a.href += clkt= + t;}}}(function(){var
d=this,g=function(a){var b=typeof
a;if(object==b)if(a){if(a instanceof Array)returnarray;if(a
instanceof Object)return b;var
c=Object.prototype.toString.call(a);if([object
Window]==c)returnobject;if([object
Array]==c||number==typeof a.lengthundefined!=typeof
a.spliceundefined!=typeof
a.propertyIsEnumerable!a.propertyIsEnumerable(splice))returnarray;if([object
Function]==c||undefined!=typeof a.callundefined!=typeof
a.propertyIsEnumerable!a.propertyIsEnumerable(call))returnfunction}else
returnnull;else
if(function==bundefined==typeof a.call)returnobject;return
b};var h;e:{var k=d.navigator;if(k){var l=k.userAgent;if(l){h=l;break
e}}h=};var
m=-1!=h.indexOf(Opera)||-1!=h.indexOf(OPR),n=-1!=h.indexOf(Trident)||-1!=h.indexOf(MSIE),p=-1!=h.indexOf(Gecko)-1==h.toLowerCase().indexOf(webkit)!(-1!=h.indexOf(Trident)||-1!=h.indexOf(MSIE)),q=-1!=h.toLowerCase().indexOf(webkit);(function(){var
a=,b;if(md.opera)return
a=d.opera.version,function==g(a)?a():a;p?b=/rv\:([^\);]+)(\)|;)/:n?b=/\b(?:MSIE|rv)[:
]([^\);]+)(\)|;)/:q(b=/WebKit\/(\S+)/);b(a=(a=b.exec(h))?a[1]:);return
n(b=(b=d.document)?b.documentMode:void
0,bparseFloat(a))?String(b):a})();var

Re: Random gibberish in the middle of articles

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

That works along with h for headings and n for text.


Sunny Day
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On 1/26/2015 9:20 AM, Bissett, Tom via Jfw wrote:

I find the easiest way to skip past these is to do a find on frame end with 
out the quotes.
Tom Bisset
-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw
Sent: January 26, 2015 9:44 AM
To: Rahul Bajaj; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Random gibberish in the middle of articles

Hi, Rahul. I believe this is caused by scripts which are supposed to render the 
web page in a particular style or code. If the code or the script on the page 
fails to work correctly, you are left seeing the code instead of having the 
code display as the text or image which it is supposed to display.

This also happens to me, and I just have to skip over the jibberish.
Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
- Original Message -
From: Rahul Bajaj via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 2:19 AM
Subject: Random gibberish in the middle of articles



Hi All,

While reading articles on a large array of websites on Firefox, I
often have to encounter random gibberish which considerably undermines
the joy of reading. I am pasting below the text that I encountered the
last time in the middle of an article:
1-0-1;62190;!doctype htmlhtmlheadstyle!--
a:link { color: #00 }a:visited { color: #00 }a:hover { color:
#00 }a:active { color: #00 }  --/stylescript!--
(function(){var d=this,f=function(a){var b=typeof
a;if(object==b)if(a){if(a instanceof Array)returnarray;if(a
instanceof Object)return b;var
c=Object.prototype.toString.call(a);if([object
Window]==c)returnobject;if([object Array]==c||number==typeof
a.lengthundefined!=typeof a.spliceundefined!=typeof
a.propertyIsEnumerable!a.propertyIsEnumerable(splice))returnarray;if([object
Function]==c||undefined!=typeof a.callundefined!=typeof
a.propertyIsEnumerable!a.propertyIsEnumerable(call))returnfunction}else
returnnull;else
if(function==bundefined==typeof a.call)returnobject;return
b};var g;e:{var h=d.navigator;if(h){var k=h.userAgent;if(k){g=k;break
e}}g=};var
l=-1!=g.indexOf(Opera)||-1!=g.indexOf(OPR),n=-1!=g.indexOf(Trident)||-1!=g.indexOf(MSIE),p=-1!=g.indexOf(Gecko)-1==g.toLowerCase().indexOf(webkit)!(-1!=g.indexOf(Trident)||-1!=g.indexOf(MSIE)),q=-1!=g.toLowerCase().indexOf(webkit);(function(){var
a=,b;if(ld.opera)return
a=d.opera.version,function==f(a)?a():a;p?b=/rv\:([^\);]+)(\)|;)/:n?b=/\b(?:MSIE|rv)[:
]([^\);]+)(\)|;)/:q(b=/WebKit\/(\S+)/);b(a=(a=b.exec(g))?a[1]:);return
n(b=(b=d.document)?b.documentMode:void
0,bparseFloat(a))?String(b):a})();var r={};window.ss=function(a){void
0!==r[a]?r[a]++:r[a]=1;var
b=document.getElementById(a),c=r[a];if(window.css)css(a,nm,c,void
0,void 0);else if(b){a=b.href;var
e=a.indexOf(nm=);if(0e)c=a+nm=+c;else var
e=e+4,m=a.indexOf(,e),c=0=m?a.substring(0,e)+c+a.substring(m):a.substring(0,e)+c;b.href=2E3c.length?a:c}};})();function
su(id) {var a = document.getElementById(id);var b = (new
Date()).getTime();if (a  a.myt  b) {var t = b - a.myt;if
(window.css) {css(id,'clkt',t);return;}var
bi = a.href.indexOf(clkt=);if (bi  0) {var c = a.href.substring(0,
bi+6); var d = a.href.substring(bi+6, a.href.length);var ei =
d.indexOf();var
r = '';if (ei = 0)r = d.substring(ei, d.length);a.href = c + t + r; }
else {a.href += clkt= + t;}}}(function(){var
d=this,g=function(a){var b=typeof
a;if(object==b)if(a){if(a instanceof Array)returnarray;if(a
instanceof Object)return b;var
c=Object.prototype.toString.call(a);if([object
Window]==c)returnobject;if([object
Array]==c||number==typeof a.lengthundefined!=typeof
a.spliceundefined!=typeof
a.propertyIsEnumerable!a.propertyIsEnumerable(splice))returnarray;if([object
Function]==c||undefined!=typeof a.callundefined!=typeof
a.propertyIsEnumerable!a.propertyIsEnumerable(call))returnfunction}else
returnnull;else
if(function==bundefined==typeof a.call)returnobject;return
b};var h;e:{var k=d.navigator;if(k){var l=k.userAgent;if(l){h=l;break
e}}h=};var
m=-1!=h.indexOf(Opera)||-1!=h.indexOf(OPR),n=-1!=h.indexOf(Trident)||-1!=h.indexOf(MSIE),p=-1!=h.indexOf(Gecko)-1==h.toLowerCase().indexOf(webkit)!(-1!=h.indexOf(Trident)||-1!=h.indexOf(MSIE)),q=-1!=h.toLowerCase().indexOf(webkit);(function(){var
a=,b;if(md.opera)return
a=d.opera.version,function==g(a)?a():a;p?b=/rv\:([^\);]+)(\)|;)/:n?b=/\b(?:MSIE|rv)[:
]([^\);]+)(\)|;)/:q(b=/WebKit\/(\S+)/);b(a=(a=b.exec(h))?a[1]:);return
n(b=(b=d.document)?b.documentMode:void
0,bparseFloat(a))?String(b):a})();var
r=function(a,b,c,e){if(window.css)css(b,c,e,void 0,void 0);else
if(a){b=a.href;var
f=+c+=;c=b.indexOf(f);0c?e=b+f+e:(c+=f.length,f=b.indexOf(,c),e=0=f?b.substring(0,c)+e+b.substring(f):b.substring(0,c)+e);a.href=2E3e.length?b:e}};var

Re: Fully Functional Screen Reader Petition

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

But isn't the goal of accessibility not to need accessibility--that is, 
universal accessibility right out of the box?



Sunny Day
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On 1/20/2015 11:39 AM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:

You may not want to start a discussion, but posting a link to this petition 
inevitably does just that. I worry that if MS came up with anything close to 
Apple's VoiceOver, employers would assume basic accessibility requirements have 
been met without the added cost of buying and updating JAWS. As good as 
VoiceOver may be, and despite our periodic frustrations with FS, JAWS is 
exclusively tailored to the needs of visually impaired computer users. I dread 
the day MS takes on this job and elbows FS out.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Nermin via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:53 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Fully Functional Screen Reader Petition

Hi all,

I consider this a very important petition, however, I do not wish to start a 
discussion on whether or not this will do away with blindness products, the 
attempt as such will fail, or any other messages of a similar nature.

Someone started a petition calling on Microsoft to incorporate a real screen 
reader into Windows 10.
This should include maintenance and installing capabilities.
The link is here:
https://windows.uservoice.com/forums/265757-windows-feature-suggestions/suggestions/6942363-add-a-native-fully-functional-screen-reader-to-wi

Share this with friends and family, on Facebook or Twitter. Anywhere you feel 
might give the necessary votes.

Voting is easy, and you do not even need to provide an e-mail address.

Regards,

Nermin
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Re: bringing jaws back into memory

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

That's why I have NVDA as a backup.


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On 1/8/2015 9:28 AM, Tony via Jfw wrote:

That doesn't help if Jaws has stopped speaking as opposed to stopped
running.  Frequently, Jaws will hang for 30 seconds to a couple of minutes
before it is ready to talk again.

Tony


-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via
Jfw
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 8:47 AM
To: Sharon; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: bringing jaws back into memory

If you haven't changed the shortcut keys, the default is:
Alt plus control plus J

Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
- Original Message -
From: Sharon via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 6:14 AM
Subject: bringing jaws back into memory



What is the keystroke to get Jaws going again when speech stops and you
haven't unloaded Jaws?
Senior moment.
Sharon


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Re: selecting a size using jfw

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

NFB says blindness is merely an inconvenience.  I say blindness is a 
pain in the anatomy, especially when it comes to accessibility.
As someone said about Amazon, sometimes you enter on what doesn't seem 
to be a combo box and it takes, sometimes not.



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On 1/6/2015 1:30 PM, Tony via Jfw wrote:

From my experience, the problem is an improperly coded web page.  I have
tried some sites that
Are mostly accessible but have one or more areas that are not.  Sometimes
NVDA helps with buttons and sometimes it doesn't.

Tony

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Greg Nickel
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 1:20 PM
To: 'Adrian Spratt'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: selecting a size using jfw

Hey Kim.

I just looked up this which you might find useful

To quickly locate a specific form control press INSERT+F5. This command
lists all form controls and their contents on the current page. Move through
the list and press ENTER to move to the selected control. Forms mode is
automatically enabled so you are ready to make changes to the control. And
if you have already entered information in a long form, use the Forms List
to quickly review the information.

This page has more details and other info that might help.  Let us all know
if you get it to work and how...it seems to be a problem we all run into...

http://www.freedomscientific.com/Training/Surfs-Up/Forms.htm




-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 11:16 AM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: RE: selecting a size using jfw

Kimsan, if you're on Amazon, I encountered this problem several months ago.
I think the solution involved a ridiculous amount of trial-and-error,
ultimately leaving me uncertain until I placed the order and quickly checked
my account before the 30-minute cancellation window expired.

You might consider giving up and doing the transaction via phone, if that's
an option for you. In the process, you can complain on behalf of all of us
who fear for the safety of our computer's monitors when frustration reaches
a certain level.

Amazon's phone is 866-216-1072.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Kimsan via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 1:39 PM
To: jfw
Subject: selecting a size using jfw

I'm on this shop site, it says select a size, s, m l. No combobox.

  


I've done spacebar, enter, left mouse click, but it doesn't appear to
work.Suggestions?

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GW Connect

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I got an email from GW Micro stating that they do not support the patch 
mentioned in a previous email.  Nor does Microsoft, according to them.  
Does anyone know any more about this patch for GW Connect?


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Re: GW Connect

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Yeah and JAWS is having its issues with Skype as well.
Microsoft seems to be regressing in accessibility.


Sunny Day
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On 1/2/2015 3:46 PM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:

I think you're referring to the notice that GW Micro's program for working with 
Skype is broken and can't be fixed.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell 
via Jfw
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 4:28 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: GW Connect

I got an email from GW Micro stating that they do not support the patch
mentioned in a previous email.  Nor does Microsoft, according to them.
Does anyone know any more about this patch for GW Connect?




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Re: Advice about Ooutlook versions

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I use Mozilla Thunderbird quite successfully.


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On 12/26/2014 2:55 AM, Kimber Gardner via Jfw wrote:

Outlook is a pain in the butt. I've used it for years and find it
sluggish and prone to crashes even though I have the latest versions
of both jaws and outlook. I'm looking for another email alternative
myself, and would be very interested in any thoughts and opinions
about jaws friendly email clients.

Kimber

On 12/25/14, Rob Hill via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:

I've gotten tired of fighting Windows Live Mail and I want to throw in the
towl and get an Outooversion.   Have there been accessibilit8y with
Outlook's latest version, Outlook 13, I think

thanks

Robb Hill

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Re: other jaws list

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Yeah what Kimson said.


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On 12/24/2014 1:53 AM, Kimsan via Jfw wrote:

Hahahah. The other jaws list, the mods are active when necessary, unlike
this one.

Very well controlled cyber environment over there. I've been kicked off a
couple of times for violating guidelines.
  Success is the result of perfection, hard work, learning from failure,
loyalty and persistence. Colin Powell

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Tom Behler via
Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 5:01 PM
To: 'Mike B.'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: other jaws list

What is the purpose of this other jaws list, and how does it compare to this
one?

Not trying to be difficult here;  I'm just trying to learn the difference so
that I can determine if I should join the alternate list.

Thank you, and happy holidays to all!

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan


-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Mike B. via
Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 7:36 PM
To: Jean Menzies; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: other jaws list

Hi Jean,

Here you go:

jaws-users-list-j...@jaws-users.com

Click on the link above, put subscribe in the subject line, nothing in the
message field,  send.
Take care.
Mike
This email was sent from my, iBarstool.

- Original Message -
From: Jean Menzies via Jfw
To: Maria Campbell ; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 3:21 PM
Subject: other jaws list


What's the other Jaws list? I once knew, but don't recall its name now.

-Original Message-
From: Maria Campbell via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 2:03 PM
To: Tom Macha ; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: J 16 IE11 and focus

I don't know if anyone knows, or cares, but Eric D'amery monitors the other
JAWS list.


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On 12/23/2014 2:31 PM, Tom Macha via Jfw wrote:

Yes, at first I thought IIit was just my machine. Has anyone reported
this to FS? Thanks, Tom

-Original Message- From: Ann Byrne via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:27 PM
To: Stan Holdeman ; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: J 16 IE11 and focus

Yes.  I am having trouble with windows 8, I.E., and JAWS 16.
At 11:02 AM 12/23/2014, you wrote:

Listers: It seems to me that since switching from J14 to J16 I am
having a lot more focus issues with IE11 on my windows 7 machine. Are
others experiencing this?

Sometimes J16 loses focus and I can do nothing to restore it except
to close the website and reload.

Stan

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Re: J 16 IE11 and focus

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I don't know if anyone knows, or cares, but Eric D'amery monitors the 
other JAWS list.



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On 12/23/2014 2:31 PM, Tom Macha via Jfw wrote:
Yes, at first I thought IIit was just my machine. Has anyone reported 
this to FS? Thanks, Tom


-Original Message- From: Ann Byrne via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 1:27 PM
To: Stan Holdeman ; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: J 16 IE11 and focus

Yes.  I am having trouble with windows 8, I.E., and JAWS 16.
At 11:02 AM 12/23/2014, you wrote:
Listers: It seems to me that since switching from J14 to J16 I am 
having a lot more focus issues with IE11 on my windows 7 machine. Are 
others experiencing this?


Sometimes J16 loses focus and I can do nothing to restore it except 
to close the website and reload.


Stan

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Re: Using JAWS with Titan TV

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I concur completely.


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On 12/19/2014 9:32 PM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote:

For the record, I find flexible web a colossal waste of time. The one or two 
times I went to the trouble (and I do mean trouble) of configuring a page this 
way, the web designers later changed the format and rendered my settings 
useless.

To my mind, the best way of handling annoyingly complex webpages that I plan to 
return to is to use the JAWS navigation keys and make mental notes. I note 
whether h works for headers, if 1 gets me where I want, how many times I need 
to press n to get to the first line of text, and so on. To give another 
example, when I'm on the Audible.com cart page, I immediately skip past the 
clutter by pressing x for checkbox. Audible has a checkbox for every item in 
the cart, so I land right away in that list. sometimes pressing f or e gets me 
where I need. Combine these navigation keys with placemarkers, and I just zip 
around familiar websites. Much, much simpler than going through the flexible 
web process, and by the way, a lot more flexible.

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Bill White via Jfw
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 3:24 PM
To: Rick Miller; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Using JAWS with Titan TV

Hi, Rick. Flexible web is a feature within JAWS, beginning I believe in
JAWS14 which allows customization of viewing a web page so that parts of
that web page can be skipped or suppressed, so that it doesn't take so much
time to get to the parts of a web page which the user actually wishes to
view or to interact with.
Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
- Original Message -
From: Rick Miller via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
To: 'john.falter' john.fal...@verizon.net; 'The Jaws for Windows
support list.' jfw@lists.the-jdh.com
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 12:00 PM
Subject: RE: Using JAWS with Titan TV



What is flexible web?



Rick Miller



From: john.falter [mailto:john.fal...@verizon.net]
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 8:57 AM
To: Rick Miller; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Using JAWS with Titan TV



Hi Rick:
If you use flexible web, you may be able to jump over all that stuff.

On 12/19/2014 8:33 AM, Rick Miller via Jfw wrote:

I use Titan TV sometimes for my TV listings.  Lately, though, I've
discovered that as soon as I log in and the home page loads, I find that
it
is so smothered with graphic illustrations and advertisements and numbers
which don't make sense to a JAWS user.  Is there anything I can do to stop
all these from popping up, as I have to arrow down continuously before
even
getting to the TV listings or the search box.



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Re: JAWS and Bible seeker

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

I have the Optasia material and also use Bible Gateway some times.
It's just that Bible Seeker is very convenient for quick look ups and 
comparisons.



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On 12/17/2014 7:09 AM, Sharon via Jfw wrote:

Maria, as a sort of a work-around, go to www.optasia.org and get their
library for the blind which has many many Bibles in html and txt and brf, as
well as thousands of other biblical resources.
Sharon

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Doris Hubby
Chris via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 11:48 PM
To: Maria Campbell; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: JAWS and Bible seeker

Hi, Maria,

since this is not in beta, simply contact fs support by mail or telephone.

Doris

At 06:35 PM 12/16/2014, you wrote:

I have an older program, Bible Seeker, which is not working with
JAWS 16 as it does with JAWS 15.
In 15 tabbing speaks Bible version, book, chapter, passage.
Up and down arrows speaks previous book, next book, previous chapter, etc.
In 16little is spoken with tab or arrows.
I don't know how to better explain.
If someone has the same program with the same problem, perhaps
he/she can tell me how to let FS know of this issue between versions of

JAWS.

Thanks.

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Re: JAWS and Bible seeker

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Um, I've been with JAWS forever and still use the beginner verbosity.
Maybe that's why I'm a bit crazy with all that chatter?


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On 12/17/2014 7:09 AM, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw wrote:

Just an idea, have you played around with verbosity.  For years, I used all 
programs in advanced mode, but several issues ago had to relax to intermediate 
when using Access in order to hear everything I needed to hear.  Somewhere 
around JAWS 11 the fields stopped identifying when tabbing through in Advanced 
mode.  Don't know what caused it, but Intermediate solved the problem.

Ted

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Sharon via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:51 PM
To: 'Maria Campbell'; 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: JAWS and Bible seeker

Woo, Maria, I guess you better keep Jaws 15 around!
Sharon

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:35 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: JAWS and Bible seeker

I have an older program, Bible Seeker, which is not working with JAWS 16 as
it does with JAWS 15.
In 15 tabbing speaks Bible version, book, chapter, passage.
Up and down arrows speaks previous book, next book, previous chapter, etc.
In 16little is spoken with tab or arrows.
I don't know how to better explain.
If someone has the same program with the same problem, perhaps he/she can
tell me how to let FS know of this issue between versions of JAWS.
Thanks.




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Re: Jaws 16 advantages

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Eloquence?  Love it!


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On 12/17/2014 7:01 AM, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw wrote:

One of the Eloquence voices?  I like female voices overall, but can't use the 
Eloquence voices for anything Important, because of what I call the Marge 
Simpson effect.  As for Bobby, I just want to slap him upside the head, and 
never use him for anything!  I've seen maybe three screenreaders with 
children's voices, and they're all obnoxious.

Ted

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of j Bron via Jfw
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:31 PM
To: 'Marianne Denning'
Cc: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 16 advantages

It didn't work for me.  I was going nuts with a female voice that mispronounced 
a lot of words and made it very difficult to edit.  I couldn't make it use 
different ppitches for lc and upper case letters.  I tried everything and had a 
lot of feedback from this list but nothing worked.  I guess we just had 
different experiences.

-Original Message-
From: Marianne Denning [mailto:maria...@denningweb.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:07 PM
To: j Bron
Cc: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 16 advantages

It did work in JAWS 15 because I use it regularly.  I have been using JAWS 
since 1998 and I can't remember when that feature didn't work.  I still use 
JAWS 16 on a limited basis because I am waiting for some bugs to be worked out. 
 I think it will be great in the next release.

On 12/16/14, j Bron jb...@optonline.net wrote:

Thanks.  My grandson set it up for me.  In Jaws 15 I couldn't get the
voice I wanted and hearing the pitch difference between caps and LC
letters didn't exist.  It's a lot easier writing now.

-Original Message-
From: Marianne Denning [mailto:maria...@denningweb.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:58 PM
To: j Bron; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 16 advantages

JAWS has had those features for several versions now.  I would guess
they were not set up in the past or were changed.  I am glad they are
working for your grandson now.

On 12/16/14, j Bron via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:

I don't know if this applies to anyone else, but my grandson just
installed jaws 16 on my windows 7 machine last night.  He was able to
get the reid
voice back.  An added bonus was all of a sudden the pitch for capital
letters is higher than lower case letters!  Don't ask me why these
wonderful advantages suddenly appeared, but they did.  Judith

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Re: Jaws 16 advantages

[Maria Campbell via Jfw]

Does our JAWS serial number reflect when we started with JAWS?
I think I also started in '98 and the last two numbers in my serial 
number are 98.



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On 12/17/2014 9:05 AM, Gerardo Corripio via Jfw wrote:
 I'm the same! and maybe weird among the blind, since I've tried and 
tried to get used to the human-like Vocalizer, but no! Eloquence is my 
voice! maybe since I've been using it since December of 98 with Jaws 3.2?


El 17/12/2014 07:51 a.m., Dennis via Jfw escribió:
yeh. i find that it pronounces everything better than the other 
synths they have tried to come out with.

On 12/17/2014 7:42 AM, Maria Campbell via Jfw wrote:

Eloquence? Love it!


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On 12/17/2014 7:01 AM, Lisle, Ted (CHFS DMS) via Jfw wrote:
One of the Eloquence voices?  I like female voices overall, but 
can't use the Eloquence voices for anything Important, because of 
what I call the Marge Simpson effect.  As for Bobby, I just want to 
slap him upside the head, and never use him for anything!  I've 
seen maybe three screenreaders with children's voices, and they're 
all obnoxious.


Ted

-Original Message-
From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of j 
Bron via Jfw

Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:31 PM
To: 'Marianne Denning'
Cc: 'The Jaws for Windows support list.'
Subject: RE: Jaws 16 advantages

It didn't work for me.  I was going nuts with a female voice that 
mispronounced a lot of words and made it very difficult to edit.  I 
couldn't make it use different ppitches for lc and upper case 
letters.  I tried everything and had a lot of feedback from this 
list but nothing worked.  I guess we just had different experiences.


-Original Message-
From: Marianne Denning [mailto:maria...@denningweb.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:07 PM
To: j Bron
Cc: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 16 advantages

It did work in JAWS 15 because I use it regularly.  I have been 
using JAWS since 1998 and I can't remember when that feature didn't 
work.  I still use JAWS 16 on a limited basis because I am waiting 
for some bugs to be worked out.  I think it will be great in the 
next release.


On 12/16/14, j Bron jb...@optonline.net wrote:

Thanks.  My grandson set it up for me. In Jaws 15 I couldn't get the
voice I wanted and hearing the pitch difference between caps and LC
letters didn't exist.  It's a lot easier writing now.

-Original Message-
From: Marianne Denning [mailto:maria...@denningweb.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:58 PM
To: j Bron; The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: Jaws 16 advantages

JAWS has had those features for several versions now.  I would guess
they were not set up in the past or were changed.  I am glad they are
working for your grandson now.

On 12/16/14, j Bron via Jfw jfw@lists.the-jdh.com wrote:

I don't know if this applies to anyone else, but my grandson just
installed jaws 16 on my windows 7 machine last night. He was able to
get the reid
voice back.  An added bonus was all of a sudden the pitch for 
capital

letters is higher than lower case letters!  Don't ask me why these
wonderful advantages suddenly appeared, but they did. Judith

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