[josm-dev] How do I edit big relations and detailed contours now that XML style is removed?
Hi, Two weeks ago XML style and the corresponding infrastructure were removed from JOSM (see https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/12282). I was a frequent user of that style, because it is much faster than the MapCSS one. Especially when there are hundreds thousands of nodes in a view. Today I've tried to fix the multipolygon relation of lake Ladoga: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/12282 (2k members), and when zoomed out, JOSM works with 1 frame per 5 seconds, even for button presses. A month ago I would just enable the XML style and proceed to fix the relation. Now the only options seems to be enabling the wireframe mode. But it is too bare for any serious work. So, is there a way to have a custom build with XML styles or to enable these the hard way? Did removing XML styles make anything better in JOSM? IZ ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
[josm-dev] IDE files in plugins svn
Hi, Why do some people keep adding NetBeans' nbproject and/or Eclipse's .settings+.classpath+.project to most plugins? I've always considered it a bad behaviour and added these to svn ignore list. Now for some of my plugins I get tree conflicts, because while I didn't check in my nbproject, someone uploaded their own. Maybe we should remove these files from all the plugin sources? IZ ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] JOSM graphics contest
Well, yes, I very much like Felis' logo, which Diamond's design misses (btw, Felis is Alexander, and Diamond is Ilya). But Diamond's image looks warmer and more... human, though not as specific as Felis's. And not as modern as his animated banner. Also I don't like capitalization in Felis' work: it should be Java OpenStreetMap Editor. I'd choose logo and gray vertical banner from Felis, and probably Clear variant of Diamond's. Then I'd substitute gray background of the vertical banner with a deep blue paper background from Diamond's banner, skipping the map, and altering logo colors appropriately. IZ On 11/26/2014 07:27 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2014-11-25 13:10 GMT+01:00 Ilya Zverev i...@zverev.info mailto:i...@zverev.info: Is it me, or Clear and Dark variants from Diamond00744 look exactly the same? the dark version has less saturation in the colors. I actually really like the design idea by Felis Pimeja to make a pencil out of the J, while Diamond00744 had this compelling idea of leaving traces of the (java) coffee cup (on the banners). That'll be a hard decision... cheers, Martin ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] JOSM graphics contest
Vincent Privat wrote: Hi, I have updated the wiki page: http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/LogoContest#FinalphaseOctober-November2014 to show latest work of our two finalists. The winner will be announced soon and the new logo will be used for the next tested release :) Is it me, or Clear and Dark variants from Diamond00744 look exactly the same? IZ ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] josm/jmapviewer / tilecache / single directory
Hi! I'd like to point out that akks is currently working on a plugin to store tile cache in a database file: https://trac.openstreetmap.org/browser/subversion/applications/editors/josm/plugins/imagerycache He'd be glad to receive bug reports and general testing results. Post them in this Russian forum thread: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=2714 IZ ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
[josm-dev] JOSM Plugin no_more_mapping
Hi. Paul got it right, I've made this plugin just because there has to be an option. It even counted days without mapping. My record is a week. As for installing without reading, I've made all the precautions possible. There was a big warning in plugin list, standing-out red icon and extensive instructions on how to disable it after it's been installed. I'd put more warnings if there was a way. I guess the user that was offended didn't even try to install it. And based on his words it got removed along with the source code. Oh well. Have fun knowing that any of your plugins could be deleted because someone didn't like the description. IZ ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
[josm-dev] Hi to all plugin maintainers!
Not a day without surprise: one of josm-tested users has been greeted with the following message: CommandLine plugin needs JOSM version 4980, and you have 4878. It turns out, most plugins in osm svn had their minimal versions updated to 4980, which is greater that josm-tested version. Obviously, it was because a lot of shortcut code was deprecated, and someone decided that deprecation should immediately be followed by removal. Consequently, if someone wants to have the latest version of a specific plugin, he also has to upgrade to the latest, unstable version of JOSM. And I don't know what those who download josm-tested for the first time should do. Is josm-tested officially unsupported now? Or is there a separate repository for plugins compatible with it? IZ ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts
For example, most drawing shortcuts - A, S, Q, X and W until recently - are situated in the left part of the keyboard. So mapping is one hand on those keys, and right hand on a mouse. Now those shortcuts have started to spread to all of the keyboard, dramatically increasing mileage of finger movements. So, even if you don't like moving building_tools back to W, please consider using D for it: delete action so close to S key has been the reason for many swear words and Ctrl+Z (another left-hand shortcut!) presses. B is as well reachable by left hand as D. We wont change that again only why some people feel that 3 cm are too much. Sorry, but this is nonsense. We have more that 250 shortcuts to worry about, we wont discuss about some centimeters here! If you are deciding what's right and what's not for building_tools plugin, not leaving it for the community, isn't it time to fix http://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/7328 ? IZ ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
Re: [josm-dev] Shortcuts
Saying at any time in the future, the josm core can take over existing plugins shortcuts because we find it so cute and plugins will have to accept it (1) is another one. This is a kind of arrongance and disrespect of JOSM plugins users and devs. We did setup a shortcut collection page including core and plugin shortcuts and we will choose proper shortcuts in future (which will not be easy, as most keys already have all 8 possibilities used) avoiding rearrangments when possible. But the core is more important. So when we need a specific key in future, the plugins need to step back. Plugins have a lower usage count than core and thus it is logically they can't be considered equal. Beside the two windows auto-installed plugins only 3 others reach more than 20% installations (of all installations which have at least 1 plugin installed, others aren't counted): *22.4% utilsplugin2 *24.2% PicLayer *33.2% buildings_tools So, by changing the only shortcut used in building_tools plugin, you've inconvienced only 33% of your users? Way to go! Good thing not all of them know about trac and this mailing list. And I see that other two plugins mentioned have to change their shortcuts regularly as well. IZ ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
[josm-dev] Shortcuts
Hi. The problem with shortcuts is that they all are in unordered mess. And the only way to fix that is to establish a policy on shortcuts. And not we take whichever we like policy. It's more like doing a proper user experience testing. For example, most drawing shortcuts - A, S, Q, X and W until recently - are situated in the left part of the keyboard. So mapping is one hand on those keys, and right hand on a mouse. Now those shortcuts have started to spread to all of the keyboard, dramatically increasing mileage of finger movements. So, even if you don't like moving building_tools back to W, please consider using D for it: delete action so close to S key has been the reason for many swear words and Ctrl+Z (another left-hand shortcut!) presses. IZ ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
[josm-dev] Dynamic buttons in side menus
Hi! I've read http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Pieren/diary/15098 and it seems that many people share an opinion that dynamic buttons are better turned off. After I installed @4512, I was rather stunned: what? where? It is hard to plan mouse movements when there is no destination visible. And really, does hiding action buttons really help? Properties panel is there not to check tags, but to edit them. Layers panel — to change layers. Why display extra lines, if you still need to scroll to do something with them? So, could we please have dynamic buttons turned off by default? IZ ___ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
