Re: [JPP-Devel] Some thought about menus for future realizes (better if on OJ 1.4)
Hello, from my users side of view I can say that I use context menu, button and also EZ-Buttons...it depends on the functions I want to use and what I can reach faster. But this should be the difficult thing becuase every users works in a different way as I realzied it from how my collegues work with OJ. So the best solution should be a user adaptable (contex)menu/button toolbar...but this should be a very difficult development. Independent from this I use also the ... - copy/paste layer/features functions from the context menu (I believe it is the fastest way, so I need it in the contect menu) - But I use the change style options only from the toolbar (I do not need it in the context menu) - I never used the Add Objects function from the context menu (it can be moved to the menu bar) - I do not need Visibility function in the context menu (it faster to use the checkbox in the layer list (it can be moved to the menu bar) Kindly regards Arnd Larrys Michaels proposal would be fine with me too. I use the copy/paste style quite often, putting them in a submenu would be nice, but saves not much space. In opposite to Michael I rarely use buttons but rather the context menu to call change style, View / Edit Attributes, Select features from layer, ... my 2 cents stefan Larry Becker schrieb: I agree with Michaël's priorities. I would move these to the Layer menu: Rename Selected Layer Move Layer Up Move Layer Down and remove these Add New Feature... maybe enough to have it in edit menu Paste Feature : maybe enough to have it in edit menu my 2 cents, Larry 2010/10/27 Michaël Michaud michael.mich...@free.fr mailto:michael.mich...@free.fr Le 27/10/2010 15:56, Larry Becker a écrit : Isn't there a way of breaking context menus up to several columns, like windows does? Maybe java already delivers this in some way? Sure. I did that to organize this menu in SkyJUMP.You need to move at least 3 to a submenu to make it worth while. It might be enough to move 4 items to the Layer menu, if there is room there. I think that we can remove some menu item already in layer menu or in edit menu. Here is the way I use context munu. What about yours ? *Editable : very important Selectable : **very important **Layer properties : **very important* Rename Selected Layer : can be removed (there is double click and still the menu item in Layer menu) *Zoom to Layer : very important* *Style *: generally, I use the toolbar (copy/paste rarely used) Change style... : good candidate for a submenu Copy styles : good candidate for a submenu Paste styles : good candidate for a submenu View / Edit Attributes : I always use the toolbar) View / Edit Schema : I'd like a button in the toolbar *Save selected Datasets : very important* *Refresh Layer... *: didn't know it : let it here (to be renamed Refresh database layer... ?) *Save Dataset as* : *very important* (I'd like a second plugin Save Selected Dataset in...) Move Layer Up : can remove it (not user friendly, can be added in Layer menu) Move Layer Down : can remove it (not user friendly, can be added in Layer menu) moving layer with drag and drop is more user friendly, but a little bit buggy *Cut Layer* : *important* (maybe enough to have it in Layer menu) *Copy Layer* : *important *(maybe enough to have it in Layer menu) *Remove layer* : *very important* (but can be put in a submenu) Add New Feature... maybe enough to have it in edit menu Paste Feature : maybe enough to have it in edit menu Remove all features : could be added to edit menu *Change visibility* : *very important* must be higher in the menu (beside editable, selectable) Select features from layer : maybe enough to have it in editselect submenu Michaël -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Jump-pilot-devel mailing list Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel -- GRATIS! Movie-FLAT mit über 300 Videos. Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8
Re: [JPP-Devel] Some thought about menus for future realizes (better if on OJ 1.4)
edgar.sol...@web.de It helps if a functionality is only available at one point in the UI to avoid confusion. I'd suggest to take this issue as a reason to cleanup and reorder the context menu. - Look for doubled entries and decide to put them only in Layer or context menu. There are some problems but I do not know if they are serious. For a totally new users it takes some time to learn which operations are available from the main menu and which ones from the context menu (and that to get the context menu user must go over the layer name first). I believe that when I start using a new software I am first going through all the main menus and what can be found there. It is more difficult to go through all the context menus because it is hard to guess how many different context menus exist and in which way they can be activated. But we have allready operations which can be launched only through the context menus like Save selected datasets, zoom to layer, Select layers with selected items. Would you guess as a beginner that the latest comes from context menu on top of the map window and not through main menu Layer nor throuh layer list context help? -Jukka- -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Jump-pilot-devel mailing list Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel
Re: [JPP-Devel] Some thought about menus for future realizes (better if on OJ 1.4)
On 28.10.2010 11:24, Rahkonen Jukka wrote: It helps if a functionality is only available at one point in the UI to avoid confusion. I'd suggest to take this issue as a reason to cleanup and reorder the context menu. - Look for doubled entries and decide to put them only in Layer or context menu. There are some problems but I do not know if they are serious. For a totally new users it takes some time to learn which operations are available from the main menu and which ones from the context menu (and that to get the context menu user must go over the layer name first). I believe that when I start using a new software I am first going through all the main menus and what can be found there. It is more difficult to go through all the context menus because it is hard to guess how many different context menus exist and in which way they can be activated. But we have allready operations which can be launched only through the context menus like Save selected datasets, zoom to layer, Select layers with selected items. Would you guess as a beginner that the latest comes from context menu on top of the map window and not through main menu Layer nor throuh layer list context help? Anybody willing to make a list of items on all layer specific menus (main menu layer, layer context, viewport/map context)? Once we have it, we could try to reorder on paper and see if we find some senseful solution, that is intuitively understandable to even beginner users. If we change this however, we should do that with the next major release and explain the new concept for our senior users. ..ede -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Jump-pilot-devel mailing list Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel
Re: [JPP-Devel] Some thought about menus for future realizes (better if on OJ 1.4)
Ede wrote: It helps if a functionality is only available at one point in the UI to avoid confusion. I agree %100. One of the things that makes AutoCAD so difficult to learn is there's always at least 4 ways to do the same thing. Ede wrote: I'd suggest to take this issue as a reason to cleanup and reorder the context menu. - Look for doubled entries and decide to put them only in Layer or context menu. - Group similar items together (e.g. editable, selectable, viewable) - separate different groups by lines to enhance usablity (less groups=less lines) I agree %100 again. Ede wrote: Anybody willing to make a list of items on all layer specific menus (main menu layer, layer context, viewport/map context)? Once we have it, we could try to reorder on paper and see if we find some senseful solution, that is intuitively understandable to even beginner users. I'm willing to work on this UI reorganization after I get done with the vertex styling bug. (Unless some eager beaver wants to beat me to it.) This will probably be near the end of the year. I can present a list of possible reorganized menu items at that time. I'll be working on my personal task list for OJ in the next few days, so I can add this at that point if someone else hasn't claimed it. The Sunburned Surveyor On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:35 AM, edgar.sol...@web.de wrote: On 28.10.2010 11:24, Rahkonen Jukka wrote: It helps if a functionality is only available at one point in the UI to avoid confusion. I'd suggest to take this issue as a reason to cleanup and reorder the context menu. - Look for doubled entries and decide to put them only in Layer or context menu. There are some problems but I do not know if they are serious. For a totally new users it takes some time to learn which operations are available from the main menu and which ones from the context menu (and that to get the context menu user must go over the layer name first). I believe that when I start using a new software I am first going through all the main menus and what can be found there. It is more difficult to go through all the context menus because it is hard to guess how many different context menus exist and in which way they can be activated. But we have allready operations which can be launched only through the context menus like Save selected datasets, zoom to layer, Select layers with selected items. Would you guess as a beginner that the latest comes from context menu on top of the map window and not through main menu Layer nor throuh layer list context help? Anybody willing to make a list of items on all layer specific menus (main menu layer, layer context, viewport/map context)? Once we have it, we could try to reorder on paper and see if we find some senseful solution, that is intuitively understandable to even beginner users. If we change this however, we should do that with the next major release and explain the new concept for our senior users. ..ede -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Jump-pilot-devel mailing list Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Jump-pilot-devel mailing list Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel
Re: [JPP-Devel] Some thought about menus for future realizes (better if on OJ 1.4)
Isn't there a way of breaking context menus up to several columns, like windows does? Maybe java already delivers this in some way? Sure. I did that to organize this menu in SkyJUMP.You need to move at least 3 to a submenu to make it worth while. It might be enough to move 4 items to the Layer menu, if there is room there. Larry On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 8:51 AM, edgar.sol...@web.de wrote: On 27.10.2010 15:09, Giuseppe Aruta wrote: That's why I ask the possibility to reduce the number of menus on Layer trees, either moving them to similar menu (see image loader to Layer menu) or adopting one or more submenus. Isn't there a way of breaking context menus up to several columns, like windows does? Maybe java already delivers this in some way? ..ede -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Jump-pilot-devel mailing list Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev___ Jump-pilot-devel mailing list Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel
Re: [JPP-Devel] Some thought about menus for future realizes (better if on OJ 1.4)
On 27.10.2010 15:56, Larry Becker wrote: Isn't there a way of breaking context menus up to several columns, like windows does? Maybe java already delivers this in some way? Sure. I did that to organize this menu in SkyJUMP.You need to move at least 3 to a submenu to make it worth while. It might be enough to move 4 items to the Layer menu, if there is room there. Can you pinpoint a place in the sourcecode of skyjump? ..ede -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev ___ Jump-pilot-devel mailing list Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel
Re: [JPP-Devel] Some thought about menus for future realizes (better if on OJ 1.4)
Sure. See:
http://skyjump.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/skyjump/skyjump/com/isa/jump/plugin/ToggleVisiblityPlugIn.java?view=log
http://skyjump.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/skyjump/skyjump/com/isa/jump/plugin/TurnVisiblityOffPlugIn.java?view=log
http://skyjump.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/skyjump/skyjump/com/isa/jump/plugin/TurnVisiblityOnPlugIn.java?view=log
Here is a snippet:
public void initialize(PlugInContext context) throws Exception
{
WorkbenchContext workbenchContext = context.getWorkbenchContext();
FeatureInstaller featureInstaller = new
FeatureInstaller(workbenchContext);
JPopupMenu layerNamePopupMenu = workbenchContext.getWorkbench()
.getFrame()
.getLayerNamePopupMenu();
featureInstaller.addPopupSubmenuItem(layerNamePopupMenu, this,
Visibility, Turn On, false, null, null);
JPopupMenu wmsLayerNamePopupMenu = workbenchContext.getWorkbench()
.getFrame()
.getWMSLayerNamePopupMenu();
featureInstaller.addPopupSubmenuItem(wmsLayerNamePopupMenu, this,
Visibility, Turn On, false, null, null);
}
Larry
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Edgar Soldin ed...@soldin.de wrote:
On 27.10.2010 15:56, Larry Becker wrote:
Isn't there a way of breaking context menus up to several columns,
like windows does?
Maybe java already delivers this in some way?
Sure. I did that to organize this menu in SkyJUMP.You need to move
at least 3 to a submenu to make it worth while. It might be enough to move
4 items to the Layer menu, if there is room there.
Can you pinpoint a place in the sourcecode of skyjump?
..ede
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Re: [JPP-Devel] Some thought about menus for future realizes (better if on OJ 1.4)
Peppe, Thank you for the menu suggestions. I will respond to a couple of the items you asked about. I don't have Sextante loaded, so I can't answer some of your questions. Peppe wrote: I wonder if they are still necessary to have or it would be better to remove it from the menus: it has two duplicate: Open File and Open Raster Sextante. I would say, based on the ability to load images from the File top-level menu, that this menu item in the top-level Layer menu could be removed. Peppe wrote: Rename selected layer on Layer Tree is probably not necessary since it is easier to change the name of the layer double clicking on it. This doesn't bother me. Some people may not know to try a double click. Wouldn't bother me if we took it out either. Peppe wrote: Is it possible to move the menus from current position? Into Layer Tree, Toggle visibility of a layer is located in a lower position. This tools seems quite useful when it is used with several files. Is it possible to move it between Selectable and Layer property menus? I suppose this is possible. Is this where it used to be? Why does it work better at the top of the LayerNamePanel pop-up menu? Peppe wrote: Is it possible to move the menus from current position? Into Layer Tree, Toggle visibility of a layer is located in a lower position. This tools seems quite useful when it is used with several files. Is it possible to move it between Selectable and Layer property menus? It is getting sort of long. I don't know how much sub-menus will help. It would probably be good to keep new menu items in the top-level Layer menu. I'll let Stefan, Larry, and Michael comment. The Sunburned Surveyor On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Giuseppe Aruta giuseppe_ar...@yahoo.itwrote: Hi all Just some observations: 1) there is a Image Layer Manager (Test) on Layer Tree Menu Since it basically works to add many raster together I would prefer to have it on Menu-Layer menu instead of on Layer Tree menu 2) Menu-Layer-Add Image Layer (Test, ECW DLL deactivated) I wonder if they are still necessary to have or it would be better to remove it from the menus: it has two duplicate: Open File and Open Raster Sextante. 3) There are 3 menus on Layer Tree when an Image Raster Sextante is opened Extract selected part of Image Export envelope as geometry Warp Image to Fence I think they would have a better evidence under Raster menu. 4) Rename selected layer on Layer Tree is probably not necessary since it is easier to change the name of the layer double clicking on it. 5) Is it possible to move the menus from current position? Into Layer Tree, Toggle visibility of a layer is located in a lower position. This tools seems quite useful when it is used with several files. Is it possible to move it between Selectable and Layer property menus? 6) Layer Tree menu is actually quite long (24 items). I wonder if it is possible to explore the possibility to add sub menus to semplify it (Ex. a submenu Property to group Layer property, Move up and Move down ... and Ede's Set Projection plugin). Best regards Peppe -- Download new Adobe(R) Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 The new Adobe(R) Flex(R) 4 and Flash(R) Builder(TM) 4 (formerly Flex(R) Builder(TM)) enable the development of rich applications that run across multiple browsers and platforms. Download your free trials today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-dev2dev ___ Jump-pilot-devel mailing list Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel -- Nokia and ATT present the 2010 Calling All Innovators-North America contest Create new apps games for the Nokia N8 for consumers in U.S. and Canada $10 million total in prizes - $4M cash, 500 devices, nearly $6M in marketing Develop with Nokia Qt SDK, Web Runtime, or Java and Publish to Ovi Store http://p.sf.net/sfu/nokia-dev2dev___ Jump-pilot-devel mailing list Jump-pilot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jump-pilot-devel
