Re: [k-9-mail] Deletion Settings - Expunge
On February 26, 2019 6:02:27 AM HST, Andy Figueroa wrote: >NO SECURITY!? > >That's nuts. >-- >Andy > >On February 26, 2019 2:38:06 AM EST, "David W. Jones" > wrote: >>On 2/25/19 12:54 PM, John Smith wrote: >>> Seems like you've figured out the settings. Mind sharing so that >>everyone else can have the same good fortune. >> >>Not sure exactly what settings were being referred to, but: >> >>Poll Folder Frequency: None >>Poll Folders: Only 1st Class Folders >>Push folders: Only 1st Class Folders >>Sync Server Deletions: Remove messages when deleted on server. >>When I delete a message: Delete from server >>Erase deleted messages on server: Immediately >> >>Connection is via IMAP, no security (as Spectrum advised), >"Auto-detect >> >>IMAP namespace" set to whatever K-9's default was at the time I set it > >>up a couple of years ago. >> >>-- >>David W. Jones >>gnomeno...@gmail.com >>wandering the landscape of god >>http://dancingtreefrog.com >> >>-- >>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>Groups "K-9 Mail" group. >>To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>an email to k-9-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "K-9 Mail" group. >To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >an email to k-9-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. They told us to do that because they were having some problem with keeping passwords synchronized between different mail servers in their pool. Or something like that. That was shortly after the Charter-TimeWarner merge. It seemed like they were having a lot of technical problems and their support people were a bit confused between the disparate systems. I just changed it to use SSL and it's working. So the no security bit can be ignored. David W. Jones gnomeno...@gmail.com wandering the landscape of god http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "K-9 Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to k-9-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [k-9-mail] Deletion Settings - Expunge
NO SECURITY!? That's nuts. -- Andy On February 26, 2019 2:38:06 AM EST, "David W. Jones" wrote: >On 2/25/19 12:54 PM, John Smith wrote: >> Seems like you've figured out the settings. Mind sharing so that >everyone else can have the same good fortune. > >Not sure exactly what settings were being referred to, but: > >Poll Folder Frequency: None >Poll Folders: Only 1st Class Folders >Push folders: Only 1st Class Folders >Sync Server Deletions: Remove messages when deleted on server. >When I delete a message: Delete from server >Erase deleted messages on server: Immediately > >Connection is via IMAP, no security (as Spectrum advised), "Auto-detect > >IMAP namespace" set to whatever K-9's default was at the time I set it >up a couple of years ago. > >-- >David W. Jones >gnomeno...@gmail.com >wandering the landscape of god >http://dancingtreefrog.com > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "K-9 Mail" group. >To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >an email to k-9-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "K-9 Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to k-9-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [k-9-mail] Deletion Settings - Expunge
When using 1and1 or O2 as email provider I always had a full inbox because the thunderbird had deleted or move all mails I instructed it to delete or move. But I used Geary as 2nd mail program and my mails stayed accessible until Geary way informed Thet they were no more there. Which was bad since one day I deleted my Geary installation. Perhaps a similar thing happens with k9, depending on the settings - without it being k9's fault. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "K-9 Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to k-9-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [k-9-mail] Deletion Settings - Expunge
On 2/25/19 12:54 PM, John Smith wrote: Seems like you've figured out the settings. Mind sharing so that everyone else can have the same good fortune. Not sure exactly what settings were being referred to, but: Poll Folder Frequency: None Poll Folders: Only 1st Class Folders Push folders: Only 1st Class Folders Sync Server Deletions: Remove messages when deleted on server. When I delete a message: Delete from server Erase deleted messages on server: Immediately Connection is via IMAP, no security (as Spectrum advised), "Auto-detect IMAP namespace" set to whatever K-9's default was at the time I set it up a couple of years ago. -- David W. Jones gnomeno...@gmail.com wandering the landscape of god http://dancingtreefrog.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "K-9 Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to k-9-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [k-9-mail] Deletion Settings - Expunge
Seems like you've figured out the settings. Mind sharing so that everyone else can have the same good fortune. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "K-9 Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to k-9-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [k-9-mail] Deletion Settings - Expunge
Resending this, got a bounce message saying the K9 email group didn't exist. Sorry if this is a duplicate! On February 23, 2019 10:32:07 AM HST, John Smith wrote: > I'm having basically the same issue here, though it's not with Gmail. > I have my Spectrum (RoadRunner) account running through K-9 Mail. > Synching folder movements is slow, but is completed except for the > messages in the trash folder. > On K-9 Mail, when messages are deleted, they are not deleted on the > server. This requires me to have to log on to my RR appointment and > delete them there also. > > Is there a remedy? I have Spectrum also, using IMAP connection. When I delete messages in K-9, they're deleted on the server. When I empty trash in K-9, it gets emptied on the server. Using K-9 on Android 5.1. David W. Jones gnomeno...@gmail.com wandering the landscape of god http://dancingtreefrog.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "K-9 Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to k-9-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [k-9-mail] Deletion Settings - Expunge
On February 23, 2019 10:32:07 AM HST, John Smith wrote: >I'm having basically the same issue here, though it's not with Gmail. >I have my Spectrum (RoadRunner) account running through K-9 Mail. >Synching folder movements is slow, but is completed except for the >messages in the trash folder. >On K-9 Mail, when messages are deleted, they are not deleted on the >server. This requires me to have to log on to my RR appointment and >delete them there also. > >Is there a remedy? > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "K-9 Mail" group. >To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >an email to k-9-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. I have Spectrum also, using IMAP connection. When I delete messages in K-9, they're deleted on the server. When I empty trash in K-9, it gets emptied on the server. Using K-9 on Android 5.1. David W. Jones gnomeno...@gmail.com wandering the landscape of god http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "K-9 Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to k-9-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [k-9-mail] Deletion Settings - Expunge
On February 23, 2019 3:10:08 PM HST, Larry L wrote: >Still seems to be little flaky the whole Delete Logic not much >documentation around the logic around those 4 items > >So I have two Android devices and both are set the same way talking to >my >own IMAP email server/account/provider, not GMAIL. > >So here is what I did that seems to work majority of the time >1) Under *Settings\Folder Settings* - I set all folders the same on >all my >devices. Set to same IMAP Trash folder and the others appropriately. >From what I understand is if that Trash folder is set then when you >delete >a messages in your INBOX or any other folder the message will be moved >to >TRASH folder. Similar to what happens if use outlook. >2) Under *Settings\Account Settings\Fetch* mail I have the following >set. >a) *Sync Server Deletions: Checked* From what I understand this >will keep the "TRASH" Folder in sync between all devices. > b) *When I delete a Message: Delete from Server* From what it >appears to me all this does is place the messages you jsut deleted into >the >TRASH folder you listed in Step 1 above. Then since in 2a it makes sure >the >TRASH folder is in sync between all devices using that IMAP. >c) *Erase deleted messages on server: Manually*From what I >understand this will leave messages into your trash folder until you >EXPUNGE the folders. I wish they would rename Erase to EXPUNGE. So if >you >set to Immediately or poll the messages would then also be expunged >from >the TRASH folder. Otherwise set to manual, you will have to run the >EXPUNGE when ever you want to purge the emails from TRASH which should >then >clear messages from servers and all the other devices syncing with >IMAP. > >-Larry > > >On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 12:32 PM John Smith >wrote: > >> I'm having basically the same issue here, though it's not with Gmail. >> I have my Spectrum (RoadRunner) account running through K-9 Mail. >> Synching folder movements is slow, but is completed except for the >> messages in the trash folder. >> On K-9 Mail, when messages are deleted, they are not deleted on the >> server. This requires me to have to log on to my RR appointment and >delete >> them there also. >> >> Is there a remedy? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups >> "K-9 Mail" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >send an >> email to k-9-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > >-- >You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >Groups "K-9 Mail" group. >To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >an email to k-9-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Hmm. Using K-9 with Spectrum over IMAP, when I long press on my Spectrum account in the Accounts window and select Empty Trash, K-9 empties the trash both locally and on the Spectrum server. David W. Jones gnomeno...@gmail.com wandering the landscape of god http://dancingtreefrog.com Sent from my Android device with F/LOSS K-9 Mail. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "K-9 Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to k-9-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [k-9-mail] Deletion Settings - Expunge
Still seems to be little flaky the whole Delete Logic not much documentation around the logic around those 4 items So I have two Android devices and both are set the same way talking to my own IMAP email server/account/provider, not GMAIL. So here is what I did that seems to work majority of the time 1) Under *Settings\Folder Settings* - I set all folders the same on all my devices. Set to same IMAP Trash folder and the others appropriately. >From what I understand is if that Trash folder is set then when you delete a messages in your INBOX or any other folder the message will be moved to TRASH folder. Similar to what happens if use outlook. 2) Under *Settings\Account Settings\Fetch* mail I have the following set. a) *Sync Server Deletions: Checked* From what I understand this will keep the "TRASH" Folder in sync between all devices. b) *When I delete a Message: Delete from Server* From what it appears to me all this does is place the messages you jsut deleted into the TRASH folder you listed in Step 1 above. Then since in 2a it makes sure the TRASH folder is in sync between all devices using that IMAP. c) *Erase deleted messages on server: Manually*From what I understand this will leave messages into your trash folder until you EXPUNGE the folders. I wish they would rename Erase to EXPUNGE. So if you set to Immediately or poll the messages would then also be expunged from the TRASH folder. Otherwise set to manual, you will have to run the EXPUNGE when ever you want to purge the emails from TRASH which should then clear messages from servers and all the other devices syncing with IMAP. -Larry On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 12:32 PM John Smith wrote: > I'm having basically the same issue here, though it's not with Gmail. > I have my Spectrum (RoadRunner) account running through K-9 Mail. > Synching folder movements is slow, but is completed except for the > messages in the trash folder. > On K-9 Mail, when messages are deleted, they are not deleted on the > server. This requires me to have to log on to my RR appointment and delete > them there also. > > Is there a remedy? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "K-9 Mail" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to k-9-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "K-9 Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to k-9-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [k-9-mail] Deletion Settings - Expunge
The same problem here. I set "delete messages on server" in K-9. But even when I delete the whole folder "trash" all messages are still on the server while they are gone in K-9. This leads to server storage warnings time after time. Then I have to login via a web interface and manually delete all those messages again. Why doesn't K-9 really delete those messages on the server as I told it to do? Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: John Smith Gesendet: 23. Februar 2019 21:32:07 MEZ An: K-9 Mail Betreff: Re: [k-9-mail] Deletion Settings - Expunge I'm having basically the same issue here, though it's not with Gmail. I have my Spectrum (RoadRunner) account running through K-9 Mail. Synching folder movements is slow, but is completed except for the messages in the trash folder. On K-9 Mail, when messages are deleted, they are not deleted on the server. This requires me to have to log on to my RR appointment and delete them there also. Is there a remedy? -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail gesendet. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "K-9 Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to k-9-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [k-9-mail] Deletion Settings - Expunge
I'm having basically the same issue here, though it's not with Gmail. I have my Spectrum (RoadRunner) account running through K-9 Mail. Synching folder movements is slow, but is completed except for the messages in the trash folder. On K-9 Mail, when messages are deleted, they are not deleted on the server. This requires me to have to log on to my RR appointment and delete them there also. Is there a remedy? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "K-9 Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to k-9-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [k-9-mail] Deletion Settings - Expunge
Larry L wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 10:03 AM Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Larry L wrote: >>> ...seems starting with the latest K9 release the funtion has changed. Now >>> when I delete a messages with the same settings above the messages no >>> longer goes to the TRASH folder but now seem to be expunged right away >> >>> So to get back to that functionality for deleting a message and showing up >>> in te TRASH folder on all devices till I delete from TRASH folder or run >>> Expunge. What settings should I be using? >> >> I am not aware about how K-9 is implemented (...), but generally deleting >> and expunging messages over IMAP have nothing to do with folders with any >> magic names like ‘TRASH’. ‘Deleted’ mail is simply flagged as ‘\Deleted’, >> but is still there (in the current folder) and could be undeleted, while >> ‘expunged’ means really removed (again, from the current folder). Okay, I skimmed over it, and in fact K-9 performs deleting on pressing ‘Delete’, only when you did not specify a trash folder where messages should be moved instead. So, addressing your specific issue, first check also the current settings under ‘Account settings’ / ‘Folders’ / ‘Trash folder’. > So to clarify this setting > > Erase Deleted messages on Server: Immediately. > > Is this the same and saying Expunge Messgages messages on Server: Immediatley > after marking as deleted? As far as I see, yes. >> nothing prevents the IMAP server you use to execute your commands in another >> way. Moreover, it may be configurable on server side. And, as far as >> remember, Google Mail (...) _do_ have such settings. They are also well >> known for breaking old behaviour. So maybe what you described was due to >> some changes on the server rather than in user-agent? This is still a valid guess though. Did you take a look at them? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "K-9 Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to k-9-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [k-9-mail] Deletion Settings - Expunge
So to clarify this setting *Erase Deleted messages on Server: Immediately.* Is this the same and saying *Expunge Messgages messages on Server: Immediatley* after marking as deleted? I think what is throwing me off is what is meant my Erase in that setting. I assume means to expunge. -Larry On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 10:03 AM Dmitry Alexandrov <321...@gmail.com> wrote: > Larry L wrote: > > I am trying to figure out what the 3 settings for deletion mean. And if > I am setting it up incorectly or something changed. > > > > I have 2 phones running K9 and Outlook 2016 running on PC all setup to > use IMAP. For the past 3+ years I have been running my 2 phone devices > with these settings with no issues. > > > > ... > > > > No matter what device I would delete a message from any folder it would > go to the TRASH folder. And it would be reflected on all 3 devices in the > TRASH folder. > > > ...seems starting with the latest K9 release the funtion has changed. > Now when I delete a messages with the same settings above the messages no > longer goes to the TRASH folder but now seem to be expunged right away > > > So to get back to that functionality for deleting a message and showing > up in te TRASH folder on all devices till I delete from TRASH folder or run > Expunge. What settings should I be using? > > I am not aware about how K-9 is implemented (and even less aware about > Outlook™, of course), but generally deleting and expunging messages over > IMAP have nothing to do with folders with any magic names like ‘TRASH’. > ‘Deleted’ mail is simply flagged as ‘\Deleted’, but is still there (in the > current folder) and could be undeleted, while ‘expunged’ means really > removed (again, from the current folder). (‘Really removed’ not in a > paranoid sense of the word, of course, just that space it occupied may be > reused.) > > This is usual behaviour, but nothing prevents the IMAP server you use to > execute your commands in another way. Moreover, it may be configurable on > server side. And, as far as remember, Google Mail (about which, I presume, > you are talking) _do_ have such settings. They are also well known for > breaking old behaviour. So maybe what you described was due to some > changes on the server rather than in user-agent? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "K-9 Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to k-9-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [k-9-mail] Deletion Settings - Expunge
Larry L wrote: > I am trying to figure out what the 3 settings for deletion mean. And if I am > setting it up incorectly or something changed. > > I have 2 phones running K9 and Outlook 2016 running on PC all setup to use > IMAP. For the past 3+ years I have been running my 2 phone devices with > these settings with no issues. > > ... > > No matter what device I would delete a message from any folder it would go to > the TRASH folder. And it would be reflected on all 3 devices in the TRASH > folder. > > ...seems starting with the latest K9 release the funtion has changed. Now > when I delete a messages with the same settings above the messages no longer > goes to the TRASH folder but now seem to be expunged right away > So to get back to that functionality for deleting a message and showing up in > te TRASH folder on all devices till I delete from TRASH folder or run > Expunge. What settings should I be using? I am not aware about how K-9 is implemented (and even less aware about Outlook™, of course), but generally deleting and expunging messages over IMAP have nothing to do with folders with any magic names like ‘TRASH’. ‘Deleted’ mail is simply flagged as ‘\Deleted’, but is still there (in the current folder) and could be undeleted, while ‘expunged’ means really removed (again, from the current folder). (‘Really removed’ not in a paranoid sense of the word, of course, just that space it occupied may be reused.) This is usual behaviour, but nothing prevents the IMAP server you use to execute your commands in another way. Moreover, it may be configurable on server side. And, as far as remember, Google Mail (about which, I presume, you are talking) _do_ have such settings. They are also well known for breaking old behaviour. So maybe what you described was due to some changes on the server rather than in user-agent? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "K-9 Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to k-9-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[k-9-mail] Deletion Settings - Expunge
I am trying to figure out what the 3 settings for deletion mean. And if I am setting it up incorectly or something changed. I have 2 phones running K9 and Outlook 2016 running on PC all setup to use IMAP For the past 3+ years I have been running my 2 phone devices with these settings with no issues. *Sync Server Deletion: Checked* *When I delete a Messages: Delete from Server* *Erase Deleted messages on Server: Immediately.* No matter what device I would delete a message from any folder it would go to the TRASH folder. And it would be reflected on all 3 devices in the TRASH folder. When I would delete items from TRASH folder it would reflect on all 3 devices as no longer in TRASH. As I mentioned all was working that way for a long time, however seems starting with the latest K9 release the funtion has changed. Now when I delete a messages with the same settings above the messages no longer goes to the TRASH folder but now seem to be expunged right away and no longer is on the server or shows on any other devivce. I know I should not use TRASH folder as a storage area but has now cleared all my trash messages. So to get back to that functionality for deleting a message and showing up in te TRASH folder on all devices till I delete from TRASH folder or run Expunge. What settings should I be using? I can't seem to find the correct combination. I assume the *Erase Deleted messages on Server: Immediately* means to expunge Immedially but was not working that way for years and does that mean I should now change that to Manual. Any suggestions would be great. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "K-9 Mail" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to k-9-mail+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
