Re: Kmail message storage folders

[cr]

On Monday, 16 April 2018 1:20:10 AM NZST cr wrote:
> On Sunday, 15 April 2018 2:48:48 PM NZST Kevin Krammer wrote:
> > 
> > The read/unread status is actually part of the filename.
> > I.e. a "read" message's filename contains an "S" (for Seen).
> > 
> > The new/cur is something else if I remember correctly.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Kevin
> 
> Ah, now that appears to be consistent with what I can see.   My 'Ford'
> folder in kmail showed just 3 unread messages and just 3 of the files 
didn't
> have 'S' at the end of their filename.   I just marked them as 'read' in
> Kmail and all the files now are suffixed 'S'.
> 
> Ford/'cur' and 'new' between them contain 119 files and Kmail is 
showing...
> 119 messages!   So all present and correct.   That's a relief.   Thanks
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Chris

Umm, I've done some Googling.   
Apparently, according to the Maildir specification, unread messages 
should be in 'new' and should be moved to 'cur' when they are "found by a 
cognizant maildir reading process" (whatever that means)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maildir
It should also attach suffixes such as 'S' for 'Seen' etc - which Kmail 
evidently does.
My conclusion is that, for my purposes, I don't need to worry about 'cur' or 
'new', the files all show up as messages in the respective Kmail folder.

Chris

Re: Kmail message storage folders

[cr]

On Sunday, 15 April 2018 2:48:48 PM NZST Kevin Krammer wrote:
> On Sonntag, 15. April 2018 14:07:24 CEST cr wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 02:36:07PM -0300, Nicolás Alvarez wrote:
> > > El 14 abr. 2018, a la(s) 11:01, cr  escribió:
> > > > One possible snag I can see is that kmail has created, in each 
folder
> > > > such as 'cars', subfolders called 'cur', 'new' and 'tmp'. Typically
> > > > 'tmp' is empty but both 'cur' and 'new' are full of messages. How 
does
> > > > kmail (or akonadi?) assign messages to 'cur' or 'new'? If it
> > > > arbitrarily shifts messages from one to the other then my copying 
idea
> > > > will likely result in numerous duplicate messages.
> > > > 
> > > > I've tried the Kmail documentation but it doesn't seem to throw 
any
> > > > light on this.>
> > > 
> > > It's the standard Maildir format. 'new' has unread messages, 'cur' 
has
> > > read messages. They will be moved between folders when you mark
> > 
> > messages
> > 
> > > as read or unread.
> > 
> > Thanks for that.   It's useful to know how it should work.
> > 
> > (Inspection shows that I have many more files in some 'new' 
subdirectories
> > than Kmail shows as 'unread'.   Evidently akonadi is failing to notice
> > them, for some reason.   I need to investigate that.)
> 
> The read/unread status is actually part of the filename.
> I.e. a "read" message's filename contains an "S" (for Seen).
> 
> The new/cur is something else if I remember correctly.
> 
> Cheers,
> Kevin

Ah, now that appears to be consistent with what I can see.   My 'Ford' 
folder in kmail showed just 3 unread messages and just 3 of the files didn't 
have 'S' at the end of their filename.   I just marked them as 'read' in Kmail 
and all the files now are suffixed 'S'.

Ford/'cur' and 'new' between them contain 119 files and Kmail is showing...   
119 messages!   So all present and correct.   That's a relief.   Thanks

Cheers

Chris

Re: Kmail message storage folders

[cr]

On Sunday, 15 April 2018 1:25:08 PM NZST Frank Steinmetzger wrote:

> I use KMail only on my IMAP server and sync that to my machine using
> Offlineimap. But once on my harddrive, my scenario is the same as yours:
> read mail from one Maildir tree on several machines at the same time.
> 
> My approach is to use the syncing solution called Unison. That way I can
> read and edit Mail on both machines, and unison detects all the 
changes in
> the file system, including mail that was moved from new to cur after it 
was
> read. As long as I don’t edit the same mail on both machines, Unison 
works
> perfectly with this.

Thanks.   I see Unison is available as a .deb and I've just installed it on 
both machines.

It looks as if that could be the optimum solution for my setup.   All I need to 
do now (after I've debugged why not all the emails in 'new' subdirectories 
are showing up as 'unread') is do a one-time copy of the entire Maildir tree 
to my laptop and thereafter, periodically keep it synced with Unison.   
Hopefully.

Regards

Chris

Re: Kmail message storage folders

[cr]

On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 02:36:07PM -0300, Nicolás Alvarez wrote:
> El 14 abr. 2018, a la(s) 11:01, cr  escribió:
> > One possible snag I can see is that kmail has created, in each folder
> > such as 'cars', subfolders called 'cur', 'new' and 'tmp'. Typically
> > 'tmp' is empty but both 'cur' and 'new' are full of messages. How does
> > kmail (or akonadi?) assign messages to 'cur' or 'new'? If it
> > arbitrarily shifts messages from one to the other then my copying idea
> > will likely result in numerous duplicate messages.
> > 
> > I've tried the Kmail documentation but it doesn't seem to throw any
> > light on this.> 
> It's the standard Maildir format. 'new' has unread messages, 'cur' has
> read messages. They will be moved between folders when you mark 
messages
> as read or unread.

Thanks for that.   It's useful to know how it should work.

(Inspection shows that I have many more files in some 'new' subdirectories 
than Kmail shows as 'unread'.   Evidently akonadi is failing to notice them, 
for some reason.   I need to investigate that.)

Regards

Chris

Re: Kmail message storage folders

[Frank Steinmetzger]

On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 02:36:07PM -0300, Nicolás Alvarez wrote:
> El 14 abr. 2018, a la(s) 11:01, cr  escribió:
> > 
> > One possible snag I can see is that kmail has created, in each folder such 
> > as 'cars', subfolders called 'cur', 'new' and 'tmp'. Typically 'tmp' is 
> > empty but both 'cur' and 'new' are full of messages. How does kmail (or 
> > akonadi?) assign messages to 'cur' or 'new'? If it arbitrarily shifts 
> > messages from one to the other then my copying idea will likely result in 
> > numerous duplicate messages.
> >  
> > I've tried the Kmail documentation but it doesn't seem to throw any light 
> > on this.
> 
> It's the standard Maildir format. 'new' has unread messages, 'cur' has read 
> messages. They will be moved between folders when you mark messages as read 
> or unread.

I use KMail only on my IMAP server and sync that to my machine using
Offlineimap. But once on my harddrive, my scenario is the same as yours:
read mail from one Maildir tree on several machines at the same time.

My approach is to use the syncing solution called Unison. That way I can
read and edit Mail on both machines, and unison detects all the changes in
the file system, including mail that was moved from new to cur after it was
read. As long as I don’t edit the same mail on both machines, Unison works
perfectly with this.

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Re: How to use VNC in KDE4?

[Kevin Krammer]

Hi Zaiwen,

welcome back :-)

I would suggest to check with the KDE Enterprise list again, not sure any user 
in the personal/private use case has had the need for such a setup.

Cheers,
Kevin

On Dienstag, 10. April 2018 17:37:56 CEST Zaiwen Gong wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> We are using KDE 4.10.4.
> 
> I have Vino Server installed and configured to be auto started.
> 
> Then I tried to use remote-viewer to connect to remote KDE desktop, but
> not sure how to configure it.
> 
> Any documentation?
> 
> Thanks,
> Zaiwen


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Re: Kmail message storage folders

[Kevin Krammer]

On Samstag, 14. April 2018 16:01:33 CEST cr wrote:
> I currently have Kmail on my server, with thousands of messages in Maildir
> format on a separate partition (which simplifies migration/upgrading).
> They're sorted into many subfolders such as 'cars', 'accounts', 'kde' etc.
> 
> I typically ssh into the server from whichever laptop I'm using and run
> Kmail on the server via ssh, which avoids any syncing issues.   However
> this does mean my server is running for hours just for emails, which costs
> power.
> 
> I'm considering running kmail on a laptop and syncing every few days by
> copying the new emails to the server's partition using 'cp' or Nautilus or
> similar to copy recursively only new mailfiles.   Can anyone confirm if this
> will work?   Is there a better way to sync?

I would suggest looking at rsync over ssh.

Cheers,
Kevin

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