Re: kde.modular.im: "I am at least 16 years old. "
I have to agree. We want youngsters to be involved in all aspects of the KDE community, not just GCi. Kids will still join and just lie about being 16, but why make them do that? I don't think we gain anything and lose an aspect of friendliness and openness that we've always had. Many of our best contributors began before age 16. I want that to continue -- and younger people are more likely to use Matrix than some of us who are set in our IRC habits. Valorie On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 2:33 PM Krešimir Čohar wrote: > I don't see what we gain by imposing this rule (16 or over) and we do > stand to lose a lot (up and coming teen programmers whose skills could be > honed and tempered, and whose contributions could make a substantial > difference to KDE). > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 11:04 AM Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > >> There's the >> https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/consent?h=6fc7fefb99181b28ffdf2be32225ead05a8cd6c148da23482edbcc4b08ce7ddd&u=boud >> page you need to agree to before one can join. And it asks people to >> confirm that they're older than 16. >> >> Why do we have this condition? There are plenty of reasons why we would >> need people younger than 16 to be able to chat with people in the KDE >> community. We've had contributors and even people giving presentations at >> Akademy who were younger than 16. >> >> -- >> https://www.krita.org > > -- http://about.me/valoriez
Re: kde.modular.im: "I am at least 16 years old. "
I don't see what we gain by imposing this rule (16 or over) and we do stand to lose a lot (up and coming teen programmers whose skills could be honed and tempered, and whose contributions could make a substantial difference to KDE). On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 11:04 AM Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > There's the > https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/consent?h=6fc7fefb99181b28ffdf2be32225ead05a8cd6c148da23482edbcc4b08ce7ddd&u=boud > page you need to agree to before one can join. And it asks people to > confirm that they're older than 16. > > Why do we have this condition? There are plenty of reasons why we would > need people younger than 16 to be able to chat with people in the KDE > community. We've had contributors and even people giving presentations at > Akademy who were younger than 16. > > -- > https://www.krita.org
Re: kde.modular.im: "I am at least 16 years old. "
On 2/21/19 6:56 AM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: * Matrix now logs #krita on freenode (well, it has been doing so for quite some time, since the first bridge user appeared) * We have always tried to make sure #krita has no permanent logs; we don't want that. It's possible in the channel settings to decide whether newly-joined users get backlog from prior to their join or not. The bridging extends to the permission model, i.e. ops on the IRC side get to change these settings on the Matrix side. An argument can be made that the default may not be the right one, but in any case as channel op you retain control over how your channel works on both systems. But I'll note that this isn't something that's come about due to KDE now having a Matrix server - it was already the case for a few years, and started when freenode agreed to give Matrix API access to the network different from what regular IRC clients can do (not that logging and relaying that log can't also be done by a regular client). It's probably a little confusing right now what exactly is new now, but it's not all that much: We can now have swanky :kde.org addresses on Matrix and more control over the onboarding experience for people who are amenable to using Matrix to chat KDE (and your original point regarding the age checkbox of course reads very much on this onboarding topic). All the other consequences of Matrix existing were already the case before. Cheers, Eike
Re: kde.modular.im: "I am at least 16 years old. "
On woensdag 20 februari 2019 11:22:16 CET Eike Hein wrote: > > On 2/20/19 7:14 PM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > > Maybe the text could be changed to "You're over 16 or have parental > > permission" ? > > Matthew @ Matrix says since it's our own server the legal responsibility > can pass on to us, and it's possible to set any age threshold we want. > > So we can do it; it's now a question of whether we want to, and what is > wise. Now I have had time to do a bit of reflection, there's a more general problem: * Matrix now logs #krita on freenode (well, it has been doing so for quite some time, since the first bridge user appeared) * We have always tried to make sure #krita has no permanent logs; we don't want that. * Permanent logs need a GDPR whatever * If you join #krita through an irc interface, for instance, through krita.org... Your stuff is logged, and there is no triplicate set of incomprehensible documents to agree with * But, your utterances are still logged I'm not too sure about all of this, but I feel rather disquietened. -- https://www.valdyas.org | https://www.krita.org
Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
Hi! I think the public dot.kde.org article was a little bit premature, registration does not work because of timeouts and/or CORS errors, ... Best regards Joseph Wenninger Von meinem iPhone gesendet > Am 20.02.2019 um 15:37 schrieb Laszlo Papp : > > > >> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 2:30 PM Hans Tovetjärn wrote: >> On onsdag 20 februari 2019 kl. 15:07:09 CET Agustin Benito (toscalix) wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:52 PM Hans Tovetjärn >> wrote: >> > > On onsdag 20 februari 2019 kl. 13:36:37 CET Paul Brown wrote: >> > > > Hi all, >> > > > >> > > > KDE has been looking for a better way of chatting and live-sharing of >> > > > information for several years now. IRC has been a good solution for a >> > > > long >> > > > time, but has centralized servers KDE cannot control, it is also >> > > > insecure >> > > >> > > In what way? You can connect and authenticate via TSL/SSL. If you bridge >> > > Matrix rooms and IRC channels, I don't think end-to-end encryption will >> > > work, so that doesn't matter anyway. >> > >> > from what I see in IRC/telegram promo related channels, there are >> > already discussions to be accurate when referring to IRC. It wouldn't >> > surprise me if corrections are on their way. >> > >> > Best Regards >> > >> > Agustin >> >> Yes. The original text: >> >> "IRC has been a good solution for a long time, but it has centralized >> servers >> KDE cannot control. It is also insecure and lacks features users have come >> to >> expect from more modern IM services." >> >> ...has been replaced with: >> >> "IRC has been a good solution for a long time, but our channels are >> currently >> on servers KDE cannot control. It also lacks features users have come to >> expect from more modern IM services." > > 1. Why does KDE need to control these channels? > > 2. This is still not a selling point for Matrix against IRC to be honest. > Because one can set up an IRC server just as well as a Matrix server. So, I > would not mention this in the article. > > I have the gut feeling that what KDE can only fairly claim is that some > people prefer Matrix over IRC. We are all different and that is fine. I would > not even use the term "better" or "worse" for either. It is just different. > That is all. It is ok to be different though. > >> >> The article is alright now. >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Hans Tovetjärn (totte) >> to...@chakralinux.org >> 0x9731B8FCED15437F
Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
Hi Lazlo, On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 3:37 PM Laszlo Papp wrote: > 1. Why does KDE need to control these channels? > > 2. This is still not a selling point for Matrix against IRC to be honest. > Because one can set up an IRC server just as well as a Matrix server. So, I > would not mention this in the article. > > I have the gut feeling that what KDE can only fairly claim is that some > people prefer Matrix over IRC. We are all different > and that is fine. I > would not even use the term "better" or "worse" for either. It is just > different. That is all. It is ok to be > different though. this is the spirit behind the decision. To open up KDE to new Open Source communication channels that follow the spirit behind the community. The statements made around IRC, being at the beginning of the message, blur this message, but I think it is there when refers to promoting/using both, IRC and Matrix. Best Regards Agustin Benito (toscalix) KDE eV member Profile: http://www.toscalix.com
Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
On onsdag 20 februari 2019 kl. 15:37:32 CET Laszlo Papp wrote: > > "IRC has been a good solution for a long time, but our channels are > > currently > > on servers KDE cannot control. It also lacks features users have come to > > expect from more modern IM services." > > 1. Why does KDE need to control these channels? > > 2. This is still not a selling point for Matrix against IRC to be honest. > Because one can set up an IRC server just as well as a Matrix server. So, I > would not mention this in the article. > > I have the gut feeling that what KDE can only fairly claim is that some > people prefer Matrix over IRC. We are all different and that is fine. I > would not even use the term "better" or "worse" for either. It is just > different. That is all. It is ok to be different though. Fair enough, the server used to host webchat.kde.org is supplied by www.modular.im, so I don't know if it is, strictly speaking, controlled by KDE anyway, any more than the servers of Freenode are. I like both IRC (Freenode, at least) and Matrix and would leave it at that. I'm sure that there has been a discussion prior to the decision made, where the pros and cons of each were presented. -- Best regards, Hans Tovetjärn (totte) to...@chakralinux.org 0x9731B8FCED15437F signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 2:30 PM Hans Tovetjärn wrote: > On onsdag 20 februari 2019 kl. 15:07:09 CET Agustin Benito (toscalix) > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:52 PM Hans Tovetjärn > wrote: > > > On onsdag 20 februari 2019 kl. 13:36:37 CET Paul Brown wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > KDE has been looking for a better way of chatting and live-sharing of > > > > information for several years now. IRC has been a good solution for a > > > > long > > > > time, but has centralized servers KDE cannot control, it is also > > > > insecure > > > > > > In what way? You can connect and authenticate via TSL/SSL. If you > bridge > > > Matrix rooms and IRC channels, I don't think end-to-end encryption will > > > work, so that doesn't matter anyway. > > > > from what I see in IRC/telegram promo related channels, there are > > already discussions to be accurate when referring to IRC. It wouldn't > > surprise me if corrections are on their way. > > > > Best Regards > > > > Agustin > > Yes. The original text: > > "IRC has been a good solution for a long time, but it has centralized > servers > KDE cannot control. It is also insecure and lacks features users have come > to > expect from more modern IM services." > > ...has been replaced with: > > "IRC has been a good solution for a long time, but our channels are > currently > on servers KDE cannot control. It also lacks features users have come to > expect from more modern IM services." > 1. Why does KDE need to control these channels? 2. This is still not a selling point for Matrix against IRC to be honest. Because one can set up an IRC server just as well as a Matrix server. So, I would not mention this in the article. I have the gut feeling that what KDE can only fairly claim is that some people prefer Matrix over IRC. We are all different and that is fine. I would not even use the term "better" or "worse" for either. It is just different. That is all. It is ok to be different though. > The article is alright now. > > -- > Best regards, > Hans Tovetjärn (totte) > to...@chakralinux.org > 0x9731B8FCED15437F
Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
On onsdag 20 februari 2019 kl. 15:07:09 CET Agustin Benito (toscalix) wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:52 PM Hans Tovetjärn wrote: > > On onsdag 20 februari 2019 kl. 13:36:37 CET Paul Brown wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > KDE has been looking for a better way of chatting and live-sharing of > > > information for several years now. IRC has been a good solution for a > > > long > > > time, but has centralized servers KDE cannot control, it is also > > > insecure > > > > In what way? You can connect and authenticate via TSL/SSL. If you bridge > > Matrix rooms and IRC channels, I don't think end-to-end encryption will > > work, so that doesn't matter anyway. > > from what I see in IRC/telegram promo related channels, there are > already discussions to be accurate when referring to IRC. It wouldn't > surprise me if corrections are on their way. > > Best Regards > > Agustin Yes. The original text: "IRC has been a good solution for a long time, but it has centralized servers KDE cannot control. It is also insecure and lacks features users have come to expect from more modern IM services." ...has been replaced with: "IRC has been a good solution for a long time, but our channels are currently on servers KDE cannot control. It also lacks features users have come to expect from more modern IM services." The article is alright now. -- Best regards, Hans Tovetjärn (totte) to...@chakralinux.org 0x9731B8FCED15437F signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
Hi, On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:52 PM Hans Tovetjärn wrote: > > On onsdag 20 februari 2019 kl. 13:36:37 CET Paul Brown wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > KDE has been looking for a better way of chatting and live-sharing of > > information for several years now. IRC has been a good solution for a long > > time, but has centralized servers KDE cannot control, it is also insecure > > In what way? You can connect and authenticate via TSL/SSL. If you bridge > Matrix rooms and IRC channels, I don't think end-to-end encryption will work, > so that doesn't matter anyway. from what I see in IRC/telegram promo related channels, there are already discussions to be accurate when referring to IRC. It wouldn't surprise me if corrections are on their way. Best Regards Agustin
Re: Don't shoot the messenger (was Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure)
On onsdag 20 februari 2019 kl. 14:06:26 CET Paul Brown wrote: > Dear all, > > What the subject says. Please address your concerns to the people who made > the decision and passed down the bullet points of the text. > > I will not be responding to any messages in this thread, since it is not my > place. > > Cheers > > Paul Neither your initial e-mail, nor the article posted on dot.kde.org, seems to explain who made the decision and "passed down the bullet points of the text". -- Best regards, Hans Tovetjärn (totte) to...@chakralinux.org 0x9731B8FCED15437F signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Don't shoot the messenger (was Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure)
Hello Paul, in this case please do let me know who passed that text through, because it is simply wrong and misleading, and I'm not terribly happy with that being on the dot. It doesn't look terribly good when we spread wrong information about a product we still actively use. And I also wonder why this text was (at least I assume) not given to people familiar with the technology to proof-read it, as this should have been immediately noticed, as you can see from the initial replies. tl;dr: personally I'd like that text to be pulled and corrected, as right now we spread wrong information about a product we and many others still use. I can gladly get in touch with whoever is in charge of that, but I don't know who is. Kind regards, Christian Am Mittwoch, 20. Februar 2019, 14:06:26 CET schrieb Paul Brown: > Dear all, > > What the subject says. Please address your concerns to the people who made > the decision and passed down the bullet points of the text. > > I will not be responding to any messages in this thread, since it is not my > place. > > Cheers > > Paul
Don't shoot the messenger (was Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure)
Dear all, What the subject says. Please address your concerns to the people who made the decision and passed down the bullet points of the text. I will not be responding to any messages in this thread, since it is not my place. Cheers Paul -- Promotion & Communication www: http://kde.org Mastodon: https://mastodon.technology/@kde Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kde/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kdecommunity
Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
On onsdag 20 februari 2019 kl. 13:36:37 CET Paul Brown wrote: > Hi all, > > KDE has been looking for a better way of chatting and live-sharing of > information for several years now. IRC has been a good solution for a long > time, but has centralized servers KDE cannot control, it is also insecure In what way? You can connect and authenticate via TSL/SSL. If you bridge Matrix rooms and IRC channels, I don't think end-to-end encryption will work, so that doesn't matter anyway. -- Best regards, Hans Tovetjärn (totte) to...@chakralinux.org 0x9731B8FCED15437F signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
I have the same concerns as Christian. 1. We used to run internal Nokia IRC servers professionally for a long time, so does Mozilla, etc. 2. I also do not understand the insecure claims. 3. As a matter of personal preference, I like some non-modern features better than modern. I am not against having Matrix as well in communities like this, but if the uninitiated reads this about IRC, they are badly mislead. On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 12:43 PM Christian Loosli wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 20. Februar 2019, 13:36:37 CET schrieb Paul Brown: > > Hi all, > > Hi Paul, > > > KDE has been looking for a better way of chatting and live-sharing of > > information for several years now. IRC has been a good solution for a > long > > time, but has centralized servers KDE cannot control, it is also insecure > > beg your pardon? Neither is true. IRC is decentralized, and whilst KDE has > no > control over the freenode servers (obviously), it would have been free to > have > their own. From what I gather the KDE matrix instance is sponsored and not > full control either. > > I'd also like to know how IRC is "insecure", in general and also in > contrast > to Matrix. Otherwise I kindly ask you to not throw such accusations > without > further explanation around. > > > • Unlike IRC, Matrix is an entirely decentralised public network and > > anyone can run a server. > > Again: that is simply wrong. IRC is decentralized, the protocol is > entirely > open and various ircds and services are open source, and everybody is able > to > run their own network. > > > So please head over to https://webchat.kde.org (or matrix.kde.org via > any > > other Matrix client!), grab an account and join #kde:kde.org. For more > > information, check out our Matrix wiki page which includes details on > how to > > configure desktop clients (https://community.kde.org/Matrix). > > > Let us know how you get on! > > Currently testing, I have > 1 minute loading times on searching and > joining > channels, and communicating with the appservice to change the IRC side > nick or > directly joining unlisted channels does not work (unfortunately no error > message at all, so I can provide nothing to debug. > > > Cheers > > > > Paul > > Kind regards, > > Christian > > > > >
Re: KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
Am Mittwoch, 20. Februar 2019, 13:36:37 CET schrieb Paul Brown: > Hi all, Hi Paul, > KDE has been looking for a better way of chatting and live-sharing of > information for several years now. IRC has been a good solution for a long > time, but has centralized servers KDE cannot control, it is also insecure beg your pardon? Neither is true. IRC is decentralized, and whilst KDE has no control over the freenode servers (obviously), it would have been free to have their own. From what I gather the KDE matrix instance is sponsored and not full control either. I'd also like to know how IRC is "insecure", in general and also in contrast to Matrix. Otherwise I kindly ask you to not throw such accusations without further explanation around. > • Unlike IRC, Matrix is an entirely decentralised public network and > anyone can run a server. Again: that is simply wrong. IRC is decentralized, the protocol is entirely open and various ircds and services are open source, and everybody is able to run their own network. > So please head over to https://webchat.kde.org (or matrix.kde.org via any > other Matrix client!), grab an account and join #kde:kde.org. For more > information, check out our Matrix wiki page which includes details on how to > configure desktop clients (https://community.kde.org/Matrix). > Let us know how you get on! Currently testing, I have > 1 minute loading times on searching and joining channels, and communicating with the appservice to change the IRC side nick or directly joining unlisted channels does not work (unfortunately no error message at all, so I can provide nothing to debug. > Cheers > > Paul Kind regards, Christian
KDE now has its own Matrix infrastructure
Hi all, KDE has been looking for a better way of chatting and live-sharing of information for several years now. IRC has been a good solution for a long time, but has centralized servers KDE cannot control, it is also insecure and lacks features users have come to expect from more modern IM services. Other alternatives, such as Telegram, Slack and Discord, although feature-rich, are centralised and built around closed source technologies and offer even less control than IRC. This does not sit very well with KDE's principles that require we use and support Free Software-based technologies. That is why we are collaborating with Matrix to set up and deploy a KDE's own Matrix infrastructure. Matrix is an open protocol and network for decentralised communication, backed by an open standard and open source reference implementations for servers, clients, client SDKs, bridges, bots and more. It provides all the features you’d expect from a modern chat system: infinite scrollback, file transfer, typing notifications, read receipts, presence, search, push notifications, stickers, VoIP calling and conferencing, etc. It even provides end-to-end encryption (based on Signal’s double ratchet algorithm) for when you want some privacy. https://dot.kde.org/2019/02/20/kde-adding-matrix-its-im-framework All the existing rooms on Matrix (and their counterparts on IRC, Telegram and elsewhere) continue to exist. This update provides a dedicated server for KDE users to access them using names like #kde:kde.org. You can try KDE's Matrix service right now by checking out https:// webchat.kde.org or installing a Matrix client like Riot and connecting to the matrix.kde.org server. Some aspects of Matrix which make it particularly suitable for KDE are: • Transparent bridging to IRC (as well as XMPP and many other chat platforms like Slack, Discord, Telegram, etc). This means that people who want to use IRC can keep doing so today. To be clear: our Freenode IRC channels are here to stay. If you access them via Matrix rather than IRC you will get nice things like code formatting, rich messages, typing notifications, presence, read receipts etc. from other Matrix users - but the core conversation is shared with IRC. If it helps, you can almost think of Matrix as being a big decentralised IRC bouncer. You can join anywhere on Freenode by looking in the room directory or typing /join #freenode_#channel:matrix.org - or for that matter Moznet, GIMPnet, and many others. • Unlike IRC, Matrix is an entirely decentralised public network and anyone can run a server. We’re providing one at https://kde.modular.im (kindly supplied by https://modular.im), but anyone can connect via their own servers. This is because chat-rooms in Matrix are replicated across all the servers which participate in them (very similarly to how a git repository is cloned across all contributors), which means the rooms are not trapped on any single server or chat provider. If the kde.modular.im server goes down, the rooms continue without disruption until it comes back. In other words, ownership of the rooms is shared equally by all their participants - not by a central chat server or service. • As an open standard, Matrix is incredibly developer friendly (sending or receiving a message is literally a single HTTP hit!) and anyone can write their own clients, bots, bridges or servers and participate in the system. The flagship client today is Riot (which also powers https://webchat.kde.org), but there are also native Qt clients being developed such as Quaternion, Nheko, and Spectral for those who want something more KDE-friendly. Konversation is also planning Matrix support! So please head over to https://webchat.kde.org (or matrix.kde.org via any other Matrix client!), grab an account and join #kde:kde.org. For more information, check out our Matrix wiki page which includes details on how to configure desktop clients (https://community.kde.org/Matrix). Let us know how you get on! Cheers Paul -- Promotion & Communication www: http://kde.org Mastodon: https://mastodon.technology/@kde Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kde/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/kdecommunity
Re: kde.modular.im: "I am at least 16 years old. "
On 2/20/19 7:14 PM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: Maybe the text could be changed to "You're over 16 or have parental permission" ? Matthew @ Matrix says since it's our own server the legal responsibility can pass on to us, and it's possible to set any age threshold we want. So we can do it; it's now a question of whether we want to, and what is wise. Cheers, Eike
Re: kde.modular.im: "I am at least 16 years old. "
On 2/20/19 7:04 PM, Boudewijn Rempt wrote: There's the https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/consent?h=6fc7fefb99181b28ffdf2be32225ead05a8cd6c148da23482edbcc4b08ce7ddd&u=boud page you need to agree to before one can join. And it asks people to confirm that they're older than 16. Why do we have this condition? There are plenty of reasons why we would need people younger than 16 to be able to chat with people in the KDE community. We've had contributors and even people giving presentations at Akademy who were younger than 16. Hi, I share your basic concern. Background: It's my understanding this was added very recently in the context of making Matrix GDPR-compliant. Other services have moved to this as well, e.g. WhatsApp. It's because GDPR says, simplified, that for folks <16, the service operator needs to make "reasonable effort" to acquire/verify parental consent to use the service. This is essentially intended to protect minors from the service and what it might do with their data. It's been discussed in the Matrix circles a few times, including: https://github.com/vector-im/riot-meta/issues/190 I'd expect this to change as per the ticket above. I think the hot take of many right now is "we're going to err on the side of caution and see what we can shake loose later". I think as KDE, since we have a need here, we can try to be part of this conversation and try to push things. For example, maybe we can acquire legal responsibility as operators, and then ask that Riot gets an option so we can make an admin decision that a Parental Consent Checkbox is good enough for us. This would then be a decision to live with the potential risk for the e.V., though. Cheers, Eike
Re: kde.modular.im: "I am at least 16 years old. "
On woensdag 20 februari 2019 11:11:14 CET Ben Cooksley wrote: > On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 11:04 PM Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > > > > There's the > > https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/consent?h=6fc7fefb99181b28ffdf2be32225ead05a8cd6c148da23482edbcc4b08ce7ddd&u=boud > > page you need to agree to before one can join. And it asks people to > > confirm that they're older than 16. > > > > Why do we have this condition? There are plenty of reasons why we would > > need people younger than 16 to be able to chat with people in the KDE > > community. We've had contributors and even people giving presentations at > > Akademy who were younger than 16. > > My guess would be because those under the age of 16 are likely treated > differently under rules like the GDPR (see > https://gdpr-info.eu/art-8-gdpr/ for instance) Maybe the text could be changed to "You're over 16 or have parental permission" ? -- https://www.krita.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: kde.modular.im: "I am at least 16 years old. "
On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 11:04 PM Boudewijn Rempt wrote: > > There's the > https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/consent?h=6fc7fefb99181b28ffdf2be32225ead05a8cd6c148da23482edbcc4b08ce7ddd&u=boud > page you need to agree to before one can join. And it asks people to confirm > that they're older than 16. > > Why do we have this condition? There are plenty of reasons why we would need > people younger than 16 to be able to chat with people in the KDE community. > We've had contributors and even people giving presentations at Akademy who > were younger than 16. My guess would be because those under the age of 16 are likely treated differently under rules like the GDPR (see https://gdpr-info.eu/art-8-gdpr/ for instance) > > -- > https://www.krita.org Cheers, Ben
kde.modular.im: "I am at least 16 years old. "
There's the https://kde.modular.im/_matrix/consent?h=6fc7fefb99181b28ffdf2be32225ead05a8cd6c148da23482edbcc4b08ce7ddd&u=boud page you need to agree to before one can join. And it asks people to confirm that they're older than 16. Why do we have this condition? There are plenty of reasons why we would need people younger than 16 to be able to chat with people in the KDE community. We've had contributors and even people giving presentations at Akademy who were younger than 16. -- https://www.krita.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
