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Re: Genderidentity

[Albert Astals Cid]

El dijous, 6 de gener de 2022, a les 23:29:15 (CET), Sven Brauch va escriure:
> Hi,
> 
> On 1/6/22 18:56, Nicolás Alvarez wrote:
> > There is a time and place to teach kids about the complexity of gender
> > and I don't think an exercise about arithmetic/counting is the right
> > place.
> 
> Additionally, there is also a time and place to discuss gender identity 
> topics, but the kde-devel mailing list thread about GCompris' usage of 
> the KDE i18n API is not that time and place.

I disagree, let's try not to shut down our fellow community members trying to 
make our software better in the name of "this was not what we were speaking of".

Sure, it was not, but the original concern is solved, if there's other things 
that can be improved, why not do it?

Cheers,
  Albert

> 
> Best,
> Sven
> 

Re: Genderidentity

[Johnny Jazeix]

Hi,

As you said, this is off-topic regarding the initial issue (the problem
will still be present even if the proposed changes here are applied). I was
really reluctant to reply because it's a delicate subject, more
philosophical/political/social than related to GCompris and I don't really
want to take too much of my time on these kind of discussion. I'm not
saying it is not an important or valid concern, I'm saying that I would
prefer to use my time on other subjects. But, in the actual world, not
replying would probably be seen by some as I'm against it or I don't care
(and by an extrapolation, I would be against it) because I initiated the
thread (or even worse it could be said it's the position of GCompris
community). Also, this answer is a personal answer, anybody in the GCompris
community may or may not share it, it's not relevant here.

I just kept the kde-devel mailing list in the loop because this thread
originated here, let's not "spam" the other lists please.

The code is open, feel free to make a MR or open a bug/feature
request/discussion with the team to propose your ideas for the activity.
Just discussing here won't move things. Please note that it is not just
about changing this specific string. the whole activity would be impacted:
a lot of other strings/variables related, images, translation, voices...

" And than I read about this thread, that a program that is made for kids
is
teaching them the binary gender system and are telling me that is a good
thing
from a pedagogical point of view: Sorry NO! This is discriminating and
making
it less likely that we will overcome with the discrimination. "

It was never said by anyone that "binary gender system is teached by this
activity and it is good from a pedagogical point of view". It was said that
having 2 distinct sets was good for the pedagogical point of view.

Le jeu. 6 janv. 2022 à 20:01, Sandro Knauß  a écrit :

> Hey,
>
> > There is a time and place to teach kids about the complexity of gender
> > and I don't think an exercise about arithmetic/counting is the right
> > place.
>
> Fully ACK - I don't want to teach kids the complexity of gender. This
> exercise
> is about arithmetic/counting and should concentrate on that.
>
>
Then, when you use this activity with children, can you skip this part for
now and let the children focus on what the activity is about? And discuss
with them the complexity of gender later, when you feel it will be more
adequate for them?
The activity itself is just a tool designed to help teaching some math and
it is used by a person behind. It is up to the person to decide on how to
use the tool and what to focus on. Talking about the gender of the children
was never though or expected from the developers.

But I also don't need to teach them to seperate people by gender indirectly!
>
> Why not use cats and dogs or plants and animals as distinct sets? Than we
> are
> not hurting anyone.
>
>
I'm sure whatever is used, there will be someone who can be hurt and can
complain (rightfully or not). We are close to 8 billions of people in the
world and there is not one subject that we can all agree on. Why cats and
dogs and not rabbits and horses? Maybe this is not an important cause to
you because they are "generic" animals but for someone else it could be (or
some children using the software may have ailurophobia or cynophobia).
Note the activity for now is to share pieces of candy (let's not open a new
thread about the danger of sugar please). If we put animals instead of
people, indirectly children using the software could think it is a good
idea to give candies to their animals (which is not).
Only colors should be avoided because some children have poor or deficient
color vision.
Clothes: which kind? Some people may get offended because the size of the
T-shirt is "standard", not small or extra.

These examples can be seen as exagerations but there is nothing that can
guarantee nobody will get offended by any of these ideas (maybe not now but
what in 5/10/20 years?). And at that point, what do we do? Do we change
again?
On my side, I don't see any advantages on the pedagogic side to change the
activity to use something else that so I won't personally put efforts to
directly work on it (but if there is a MR, I will review it as any other
one), I have things I consider more important to work on GCompris.

The application is to be played by children, let's not extrapolate
everything and let's not add more activism than necessary in a software
designed for children.

Johnny

ps : please, don't assume by this answer that I am for or against the third
gender and not telling explicitely what is my opinion about it makes me by
default against it. I think it is just not the place in GCompris.

Re: Genderidentity

[Sven Brauch]

Hi,

On 1/6/22 18:56, Nicolás Alvarez wrote:

There is a time and place to teach kids about the complexity of gender
and I don't think an exercise about arithmetic/counting is the right
place.


Additionally, there is also a time and place to discuss gender identity 
topics, but the kde-devel mailing list thread about GCompris' usage of 
the KDE i18n API is not that time and place.


Best,
Sven


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Season of KDE Proposal: Rust wrapper for KConfig

[Ayush Singh]

I am a University student and the author of the rust crate ki18n
. This crate allows using the KI18n
Framework from Rust and can be used in conjunction with the qmetaobject
 crate to allow writing QML
applications for KDE using Rust.

The Proposal for my project is to create a rust wrapper for the KConfig KDE
Framework. With this crate present, it will be possible to create a
QML/Kirigami + Rust application without C++. I already have some other Rust
crates ready to help make the wrapper.

Currently, the primary GUI solution for creating Rust applications is
GTK-rs. If Rust wrappers of at least the essential parts of KDE are
present, it can become a viable toolkit for GUI development in Rust. If
this project is done as part of the Season of KDE, it might also help to
inform people about crates like qmetaobject
, which works almost flawlessly to
create QML + Rust applications.

I am looking for someone to mentor my project. The mentor does not need to
have Rust skills but should be familiar with KConfig. I haven't used
KConfig much and might miss important parts of the Framework. I would also
like to make the Bindings ergonomic and would need someone who has a better
understanding of the Framework.

My goal with this project is to increase the use of Rust in KDE as a whole.
But for that to happen, we first need a base to allow people to start
seeing KDE Frameworks as viable for Rust-based GUI.

Here is my alternate email to contact me directly: ayushsingh1...@gmail.com

Thank You

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Re: Genderidentity

[Janet Blackquill]

What is going on? I need context here.

Am Do., 6. Jan. 2022 um 12:20 Uhr schrieb Sandro Knauß :
>
> Sorry, that follow the side discussion, that has not connected to the
> translation problem in first place.
>
> > yes, the aim is to have 2 distinct sets for the pedagogical point of view,
> > it's a bit more complicated.
>
> Me personally is not and was never ok with the gender the society gave me. And
> I fight hard against the binary gender thinking everywhere. And I'm very happy
> that we finally have a third Gender option for official documents in Germany
> called non-binary (German: Divers). Today I had some with public authorities
> about something else, but they were aware of this and didn't put me
> automatically into the binary gender box. I was very amazed.
>
> And than I read about this thread, that a program that is made for kids is
> teaching them the binary gender system and are telling me that is a good thing
> from a pedagogical point of view: Sorry NO! This is discriminating and making
> it less likely that we will overcome with the discrimination.
>
> I know it is hard but we should find a separation attribute, that is not
> discriminating e.g. color of cloths.
>
> Regards,
>
> sandro

Re: Genderidentity

[Nate Graham]

On 1/6/22 10:56, Nicolás Alvarez wrote:

There is a time and place to teach kids about the complexity of gender
and I don't think an exercise about arithmetic/counting is the right
place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie-to-children


Speaking from the perspective of being a parent of two children, I 
strongly agree with Nicolás. There is a time and a place for each 
subject to be introduced. Gender identity is a fraught topic, and in 
general children who are not manifesting any discomfort with the gender 
identity they were assigned based on their biological sex don't need to 
be exposed to this information early, because it's not yet relevant to 
them. It's different for kids who feel discomfort with their assigned 
gender identity at an early age (as with almost all LGBTQ people I have 
known), but these situations are best handled by supportive parents and 
a supportive peer group IMO.



Nate

Re: Genderidentity

[Nicolás Alvarez]

El jue, 6 ene 2022 a la(s) 14:20, Sandro Knauß (skna...@kde.org) escribió:
>
> Sorry, that follow the side discussion, that has not connected to the
> translation problem in first place.
>
> > yes, the aim is to have 2 distinct sets for the pedagogical point of view,
> > it's a bit more complicated.
>
> Me personally is not and was never ok with the gender the society gave me. And
> I fight hard against the binary gender thinking everywhere. And I'm very happy
> that we finally have a third Gender option for official documents in Germany
> called non-binary (German: Divers). Today I had some with public authorities
> about something else, but they were aware of this and didn't put me
> automatically into the binary gender box. I was very amazed.
>
> And than I read about this thread, that a program that is made for kids is
> teaching them the binary gender system and are telling me that is a good thing
> from a pedagogical point of view: Sorry NO! This is discriminating and making
> it less likely that we will overcome with the discrimination.
>
> I know it is hard but we should find a separation attribute, that is not
> discriminating e.g. color of cloths.

There is a time and place to teach kids about the complexity of gender
and I don't think an exercise about arithmetic/counting is the right
place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie-to-children

-- 
Nicolás

Genderidentity

[Sandro Knauß]

Sorry, that follow the side discussion, that has not connected to the 
translation problem in first place. 

> yes, the aim is to have 2 distinct sets for the pedagogical point of view,
> it's a bit more complicated.

Me personally is not and was never ok with the gender the society gave me. And 
I fight hard against the binary gender thinking everywhere. And I'm very happy 
that we finally have a third Gender option for official documents in Germany 
called non-binary (German: Divers). Today I had some with public authorities 
about something else, but they were aware of this and didn't put me 
automatically into the binary gender box. I was very amazed.

And than I read about this thread, that a program that is made for kids is 
teaching them the binary gender system and are telling me that is a good thing 
from a pedagogical point of view: Sorry NO! This is discriminating and making 
it less likely that we will overcome with the discrimination.

I know it is hard but we should find a separation attribute, that is not 
discriminating e.g. color of cloths. 

Regards,

sandro

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Re: Translation of plural string in English with spaces

[Luciano Montanaro]

It looks like the goal is to have two distinct sets, so that would not work.

On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 10:55 AM Josep M. Ferrer  wrote:
>
> El 5/1/22 a les 21:07, Johnny Jazeix ha escrit:
> > Hi,
> >
> > for GCompris we have one complicated sentence to translate:
> > "Place %n boy(s) and %n girl(s) in the center. Then split %n pieces of
> > candy equally between them." (context in this image:
> > https://gcompris.net/screenshots_qt/middle/share.png)
> >
> > There are mixed plurals and to have the plural correctly translated we
> > use:
> > //~ singular Place %n boy
> > //~ plural Place %n boys
> > text = qsTr("Place %n boy(s) ", "First part of Place %n boy(s)
> > and %n girl(s) in the center. Then split %n pieces of candy equally
> > between them.", boys);
> >
> > //~ singular and %n girl in the center.
> > //~ plural and %n girls in the center.
> > text += qsTr("and %n girl(s) in the center. ", "Second part of
> > Place %n boy(s) and %n girl(s) in the center. Then split %n pieces of
> > candy equally between them.", girls);
> >
> > //~ singular Then split %n candy equally between them.
> > //~ plural Then split %n candies equally between them.
> > text += qsTr("Then split %n pieces of candy equally between
> > them.", "Third part of Place %n boy(s) and %n girl(s) in the center.
> > Then split %n pieces of candy equally between them.", candies);
> >
> > For American English, it takes the string from the " //~
> > singular/plural " lines.
> > The issue we have is that we don't manage to have the extra space in
> > the English translation at the end of "boy(s) " (same if we put the
> > space at the beginning of the other part to translate (" and %n
> > girl(s))").
> >
> > If we add double quotes, they are part of the translation. And if we
> > have an extra space at the end, it is removed.
> >
> > Is there a way to handle it properly in the code or even reformulate
> > the sentence to make it work more easily while keeping the meaning?
> >
> > I'm cc-ing multiple list because, in the ideal, we'd like to fix the
> > code without impacting the string for the next release but we can have
> > a better string for after.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Johnny
>
> Hi,
>
> Instead "boys" and "girls", can we use a more neutral gender like
> "kids"? And then this problem is gone :)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Josep M. Ferrer
>


-- 
Luciano Montanaro

Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on
no account be allowed to do the job. -- Douglas Adams

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Wednesday 12 Jan. 19:00 CET | KDE Eco community meetup

[Joseph P. De Veaugh-Geiss]

Apologies for cross-posting


Hi energy-efficient FOSS enthusiasts!

The 2nd Wednesday of the month is quickly approaching -- and so is our 
monthly KDE Eco community meetup. Let's get the new year off to a good 
start together!


_Overview_

*When*: Wednesday 12 January, 19:00 CET (UTC+1) (ics event attached)

*Where*: https://meet.kde.org/b/jos-l59-2i1-9yt

*Topic*: "SoftAWERE" will present their project on the development of 
tools for energy-efficient software development!


_Details_

SoftAWERE is a joint project of the SDIA and Öko-Institut that seeks to 
develop tools for making energy-efficiency measurements part of the 
CI-pipeline, among other things. From the website:


> To deliver more sustainable software, it starts with architecture and 
the developers who are writing the code. [...] The objective of the 
project is to enable developers to consider energy consumption as part 
of the development process, and take energy consumption into account 
when selecting libraries and third-party components. This will lead to 
better environmental choices during the development process.


Here you can read more about the project: 
https://sdialliance.org/steering-groups/softawere


SoftAWERE and KDE Eco share similar goals and we are honored to have 
them present their project to our community.


Looking forward to seeing many of you next week!

Cheers,
Joseph

Notes from past meetups and Sprints can be found here:

  https://invent.kde.org/joseph/be4foss/-/tree/master/community-meetups


--
KDE Eco: Building Energy-Efficient Free Software!

Website: https://eco.kde.org
Mailing list: 
https://mail.kde.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/energy-efficiency

Matrix: https://webchat.kde.org/#/room/#energy-efficiency:kde.org
Forum: https://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=334

---
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Re: Translation of plural string in English with spaces

[Johnny Jazeix]

Hi,
yes, the aim is to have 2 distinct sets for the pedagogical point of view,
it's a bit more complicated.

Johnny

Le jeu. 6 janv. 2022 à 12:37, Luciano Montanaro  a
écrit :

> It looks like the goal is to have two distinct sets, so that would not
> work.
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 10:55 AM Josep M. Ferrer 
> wrote:
> >
> > El 5/1/22 a les 21:07, Johnny Jazeix ha escrit:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > for GCompris we have one complicated sentence to translate:
> > > "Place %n boy(s) and %n girl(s) in the center. Then split %n pieces of
> > > candy equally between them." (context in this image:
> > > https://gcompris.net/screenshots_qt/middle/share.png)
> > >
> > > There are mixed plurals and to have the plural correctly translated we
> > > use:
> > > //~ singular Place %n boy
> > > //~ plural Place %n boys
> > > text = qsTr("Place %n boy(s) ", "First part of Place %n boy(s)
> > > and %n girl(s) in the center. Then split %n pieces of candy equally
> > > between them.", boys);
> > >
> > > //~ singular and %n girl in the center.
> > > //~ plural and %n girls in the center.
> > > text += qsTr("and %n girl(s) in the center. ", "Second part of
> > > Place %n boy(s) and %n girl(s) in the center. Then split %n pieces of
> > > candy equally between them.", girls);
> > >
> > > //~ singular Then split %n candy equally between them.
> > > //~ plural Then split %n candies equally between them.
> > > text += qsTr("Then split %n pieces of candy equally between
> > > them.", "Third part of Place %n boy(s) and %n girl(s) in the center.
> > > Then split %n pieces of candy equally between them.", candies);
> > >
> > > For American English, it takes the string from the " //~
> > > singular/plural " lines.
> > > The issue we have is that we don't manage to have the extra space in
> > > the English translation at the end of "boy(s) " (same if we put the
> > > space at the beginning of the other part to translate (" and %n
> > > girl(s))").
> > >
> > > If we add double quotes, they are part of the translation. And if we
> > > have an extra space at the end, it is removed.
> > >
> > > Is there a way to handle it properly in the code or even reformulate
> > > the sentence to make it work more easily while keeping the meaning?
> > >
> > > I'm cc-ing multiple list because, in the ideal, we'd like to fix the
> > > code without impacting the string for the next release but we can have
> > > a better string for after.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Johnny
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Instead "boys" and "girls", can we use a more neutral gender like
> > "kids"? And then this problem is gone :)
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Josep M. Ferrer
> >
>
>
> --
> Luciano Montanaro
>
> Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on
> no account be allowed to do the job. -- Douglas Adams
>

KDE CI: Frameworks » kdelibs4support » kf5-qt5 SUSEQt5.15 - Build # 125 - Still Unstable!

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BUILD UNSTABLE
 Build URL
https://build.kde.org/job/Frameworks/job/kdelibs4support/job/kf5-qt5%20SUSEQt5.15/125/
 Project:
kf5-qt5 SUSEQt5.15
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   BUILD ARTIFACTS
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KDE CI: Frameworks » kdelibs4support » kf5-qt5 WindowsMSVCQt5.15 - Build # 117 - Failure!

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BUILD FAILURE
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https://build.kde.org/job/Frameworks/job/kdelibs4support/job/kf5-qt5%20WindowsMSVCQt5.15/117/
 Project:
kf5-qt5 WindowsMSVCQt5.15
 Date of build:
Thu, 06 Jan 2022 10:31:23 +
 Build duration:
2 min 3 sec and counting
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