Re: [kicad-users] some help needed
Dan Andersson wrote: > Well Ian, > > I downloaded the binary for QUCS ( like that for KiCad ) and just fired up > the > application. I do however, run a fairly mainstream distro, the SuSE 10.2 ( a > RedHat relative ) and the binaries just works out of the box. > I see. I went to the QUCS site itself where there are no binaries or indeed pointers to them as far as I can see. > QUCS is also available via "smart" and probably "apt" for the SuSE distro. > > I rather see the developers spending time om important parts than adding > multiple syntaxes for component values. This is of course up to ones personal > taste and priorities... > I was not suggesting multiple syntaxes, just that they use the standard one. The one they use seems unique to me. But no matter you obviously like it and I'll stick to switcherCAD. Ian
Re: [kicad-users] Another RC2 comment
David Gravereaux wrote:
> Please add a general option to the print dialog for
> mirroring all layers to be printed.
>
Actually, I just need the top layers reversed. The bottom layers already come
out
correct.
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Re: [kicad-users] Re: Another RC2 comment
Roger wrote: > David Gravereaux wrote: >> Hi, >> >> With pcbnew, there isn't a way to reverse print layers, yet. I would need >> it for >> the "iron-on" method. Please add a general option to the print dialog for >> mirroring all layers to be printed. >> > > The is an invert image option on the plot menu, but it only seems to be > enabled for postscript. Actually, if you were using HPGL you could just > swap P1 and P2. I have seen Gerber viewers that allow the image to be > inverted, but KiCAd's built in Gerber viewer does not seem to have this > capability, nothing stopping you postprocesing with another. gcprevue does invert print from the output gerber files. > Otherwise you can just use a utility that prints from postscript > (assuming your printer does not do this). Yeah, but I'd rather do it directly. I haven't yet figured-out the proper ghostscript command to do it, and would rather not jump through hoops. Again, please add a mirror print option. Those iron-on sheets are meant for laser printers. Eagle prints in reverse; why shouldn't KiCAD? -- /* After several hours of tedious analysis, the following hash * function won. Do not mess with it... -DaveM */ linux-2.2.16/fs/buffer.c
Re: [kicad-users] some help needed
Well Ian, I downloaded the binary for QUCS ( like that for KiCad ) and just fired up the application. I do however, run a fairly mainstream distro, the SuSE 10.2 ( a RedHat relative ) and the binaries just works out of the box. QUCS is also available via "smart" and probably "apt" for the SuSE distro. I rather see the developers spending time om important parts than adding multiple syntaxes for component values. This is of course up to ones personal taste and priorities... There are two ways of expressing electronic values! The US version and the European version. The syntax used is probably ISO or something similar. We have still differences in schematic symbols for US and European versions. Personally, I rather see QUCS adhering to one standard only. However, as I am brought up with both worlds ( worked with RCA during the eighties ) - I just don't care about it. The confusion will fix itself in good time as the US users are in such minority. ( And we still educate more engineers than lawyers in Euroland... ) Still, I don't understand your claim on "no binaries"? I found both FreeHDL and QUCS binaries immediately. Anyway! Back to the original question - QUCS is a viable alternative to KiCad but! I have not looked to deep into exporting/importing netlists yet and as we all know, that can be a real bitch! //Dan On Wednesday 10 January 2007 23:04, Ian bell wrote: > Dan Andersson wrote: > > Also, choosing commercial softwares for homebrewer purpose running > > WindowsXX, tend to end up with more or less restricted licensing > > agreements or even functionality. > > In many cases but not all. switcherCAD functionality is fine. > > > So far, I have not ran into a brick wall in QUCS except for the total > > stonewalling if I need mixed mode simulations. I still retain a copy of > > dear old "SPLICE" running on my beloved VAX/VMS box if I have to mix > > analog and digital junk... > > I have downloaded it. Takes ages to compile - pity there are no > binaries like Kicad - and gave it a try. GUI interface is fine. > However it seems very picky about the format of component values. You > can't put in 100R or 100K for example for resistor values. For 100K > you have to put 100 kOhm (it chokes on Ohms or ohms) or write 10. > Rather counter intuitive IMHO. It is silly details like this that out > people off. After all there are pretty standard ways of expressing > component values and to not follow those conventions seems silly. > > Ian -- Dan Andersson, M0DFI [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [kicad-users] some help needed
I think this forum is about kicad - not OSS philosophy. I understand the desire to talk about tangential subjects, but please take them up in the correct forum so this one can have a lower signal-to-noise ratio. At the very least please prefix the subject with OT if it isn't about kicad. -- !!!>> INCLUDE ALL TEXT IN TECHNICAL SUPPORT EMAIL REPLIES!!! !!!>>Send in plain-text mode - mail with attached GIFs will be rejected <
Re: [kicad-users] some help needed
Dan Andersson wrote: > Also, choosing commercial softwares for homebrewer purpose running WindowsXX, > tend to end up with more or less restricted licensing agreements or even > functionality. > In many cases but not all. switcherCAD functionality is fine. > So far, I have not ran into a brick wall in QUCS except for the total > stonewalling if I need mixed mode simulations. I still retain a copy of dear > old "SPLICE" running on my beloved VAX/VMS box if I have to mix analog and > digital junk... > I have downloaded it. Takes ages to compile - pity there are no binaries like Kicad - and gave it a try. GUI interface is fine. However it seems very picky about the format of component values. You can't put in 100R or 100K for example for resistor values. For 100K you have to put 100 kOhm (it chokes on Ohms or ohms) or write 10. Rather counter intuitive IMHO. It is silly details like this that out people off. After all there are pretty standard ways of expressing component values and to not follow those conventions seems silly. Ian
Re: [kicad-users] some help needed
Hehe Ian... My answer was very much coloured by the initial question - whats out there for Linux... To run in companionship with the Linux KiCad and on Linux. Wine? I run the Texas Instrument package "Tina" with Wine myself so I know the pro's and cons with Wine. I would not recommend to rely on any Windows software running under Wine, simply because of the unpredictable way some Windows executables use DLL's etc. Tina runs mostly fine and I'm sure Switchcad will do so as well. Some programs refuse to install under Wine while other unceremonially goes tits up when stumplin on an "oops". Also, choosing commercial softwares for homebrewer purpose running WindowsXX, tend to end up with more or less restricted licensing agreements or even functionality. So far, I have not ran into a brick wall in QUCS except for the total stonewalling if I need mixed mode simulations. I still retain a copy of dear old "SPLICE" running on my beloved VAX/VMS box if I have to mix analog and digital junk... I'm reasonably well acquainted with these packages after I ported the Chipmunk tools to FreeBSD ( 1995 ? ). I also had to pick a fight with the first C versions of Spice3 during the mid/end 1980's when I tried to compile the lot with Lattice C and in Dos4 or Dos5 ( I think .. ). I resorted back to Spice 2G6 and my Vax 11/750 running F77... Regarding harmonics... This is a thing we ought to highlight more frequently to design away a lot of problems with high frequency designs. It's all right to do LF designs and "low frequency" digital designs but many peeps are toying with 1GHz+ and tend to forget to treat the designs as RF designs... Surprise surprise. Oregano. Yes, looks like Oregano died. I do recommend a look on the GEDA development as there are some tools for integrating Spice with schematic capture. There was also an earlier attempt - "SpiceCad" but the development stopped many years ago now and the only surviving binary seems to be in ELF format. //Dan On Wednesday 10 January 2007 20:18, Ian bell wrote: > Dan Andersson wrote: > > Ian, > > > > I looked at the switchercadIII file but?! It's a weird file format - a > > file ending with "EXE"? > > It's a windows native but it runs fine under wine > > > QUCS is a full non-nuted software with Linux and Wintendo support. > > > > Look at the transmission line support in QUCS, nice! > > Not of interest to me. > > > The QUCS package is an Open source Package. If you NEEED an extra > > function, you are welcome to make the necessary additions... Try that > > with a proprietary packagelike switchercad... > > Please don't lecture me on the merits of open source. I have run linux > for ten years and I started this group. Please don't assume that > everyone is a consumate programmer who can hack code with ease. The > creator of switcherCAD is a very nice appoachable man who listens to > what users want and very quickly implements it. > > > Besides, QUCS contains probably 99% of what you peeps wil need for ham > > purposes. > > So does Oregano and loads of other spice based FOSS programs with > GUIs. What makes QUCS so special? > > Ian -- Dan Andersson, M0DFI [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[kicad-users] Re: Default field allocations in component properties - let's define those field
apluscw wrote: >> > > A) Relatively large. > B) Mostly SMT with some throughhole. I would guess 6 layer board, at > least a 4 layer. Analog and digital. Several voltage supplies. > Several connectors. > C) Ohio Valley region of US > Good Luck! It will be interesting to see if you find an experienced layouter prepared to undertake the task with KiCAD.
[kicad-users] Re: Another RC2 comment
David Gravereaux wrote: > Hi, > > With pcbnew, there isn't a way to reverse print layers, yet. I would need it > for > the "iron-on" method. Please add a general option to the print dialog for > mirroring all layers to be printed. > The is an invert image option on the plot menu, but it only seems to be enabled for postscript. Actually, if you were using HPGL you could just swap P1 and P2. I have seen Gerber viewers that allow the image to be inverted, but KiCAd's built in Gerber viewer does not seem to have this capability, nothing stopping you postprocesing with another. Otherwise you can just use a utility that prints from postscript (assuming your printer does not do this).
Re: [kicad-users] some help needed
Dan Andersson wrote: > Ian, > > I looked at the switchercadIII file but?! It's a weird file format - a file > ending with "EXE"? > It's a windows native but it runs fine under wine > QUCS is a full non-nuted software with Linux and Wintendo support. > > Look at the transmission line support in QUCS, nice! > Not of interest to me. > The QUCS package is an Open source Package. If you NEEED an extra function, > you are welcome to make the necessary additions... Try that with a > proprietary packagelike switchercad... > Please don't lecture me on the merits of open source. I have run linux for ten years and I started this group. Please don't assume that everyone is a consumate programmer who can hack code with ease. The creator of switcherCAD is a very nice appoachable man who listens to what users want and very quickly implements it. > Besides, QUCS contains probably 99% of what you peeps wil need for ham > purposes. > So does Oregano and loads of other spice based FOSS programs with GUIs. What makes QUCS so special? Ian
Re: [kicad-users] some help needed
Chris Bartram wrote: >>Looking at the QUCS site it seems rather basic and incomplete. Have >>you tried switcherCAD? > > > I'm very aware of SwitcherCAD, and have more than 25 years experience of > using > Spice and similar software in an analogue and radiofrequency/microwave > circuit design environment. > > While I'm happy to accept that the web site rather underplays it's > usefulness, > QUCS has features which I find very attractive. Certainly, like any software, > it has weaknesses, but it also has its strengths. As an example, it's one of > the very few Open Source circuit design packages to allow the use of Harmonic > Balance analysis. > > Of course, it also runs under Linux, which suits my attitude to computing! > Which is the same as my attitude. switcherCAD does run nicely under wine - it's about the only windoze program I run right now. I used to use Oregano but that seems to have drifted to a halt and there are plenty of other GUI based OS apps based on spice. I guess it depends which features you particularly need. Harmonic balance analyis and transmission line support don't figure on my list ;-) Ian
[kicad-users] Another RC2 comment
Hi, With pcbnew, there isn't a way to reverse print layers, yet. I would need it for the "iron-on" method. Please add a general option to the print dialog for mirroring all layers to be printed. -- printk(KERN_ERR "happy meal: Fry guys."); linux-2.6.6/drivers/net/sunhme.c
Re: [kicad-users] some help needed
> Looking at the QUCS site it seems rather basic and incomplete. Have > you tried switcherCAD? I'm very aware of SwitcherCAD, and have more than 25 years experience of using Spice and similar software in an analogue and radiofrequency/microwave circuit design environment. While I'm happy to accept that the web site rather underplays it's usefulness, QUCS has features which I find very attractive. Certainly, like any software, it has weaknesses, but it also has its strengths. As an example, it's one of the very few Open Source circuit design packages to allow the use of Harmonic Balance analysis. Of course, it also runs under Linux, which suits my attitude to computing! Chris Bartram
Re: [kicad-users] some help needed
Ian, I looked at the switchercadIII file but?! It's a weird file format - a file ending with "EXE"? QUCS is a full non-nuted software with Linux and Wintendo support. Look at the transmission line support in QUCS, nice! The QUCS package is an Open source Package. If you NEEED an extra function, you are welcome to make the necessary additions... Try that with a proprietary packagelike switchercad... Besides, QUCS contains probably 99% of what you peeps wil need for ham purposes. //Dan On Wednesday 10 January 2007 19:08, Ian bell wrote: > Chris Bartram wrote: > > I agree wholeheartedly with Dan about QUCS. It was one of my great > > software discoveries of last year, and has proven _at least_ the equal of > > Spice for general analogue design. > > Looking at the QUCS site it seems rather basic and incomplete. Have > you tried switcherCAD? > > Ian -- Dan Andersson, M0DFI [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [kicad-users] some help needed
Chris Bartram wrote: > I agree wholeheartedly with Dan about QUCS. It was one of my great software > discoveries of last year, and has proven _at least_ the equal of Spice for > general analogue design. Looking at the QUCS site it seems rather basic and incomplete. Have you tried switcherCAD? Ian
Re: [kicad-users] some help needed
I agree wholeheartedly with Dan about QUCS. It was one of my great software discoveries of last year, and has proven _at least_ the equal of Spice for general analogue design. I have an expensive software suite for RF design for my work, but I find myself moving towards QUCS for many 'quick look' RF simulation tasks. A surprising number of my clients have started using the software after I've mentioned it. If I spoke VHDL, I'm sure QUCS would get even more use. That's one of my next learning tasks! Best wishes Chris Bartram GW4DGU - FWIW!
Re: [kicad-users] some help needed
Hiya, First, skip Spice, use QUCS instead as you have a better GUI. You also have much (!) more support when defining simulations and plots. Linux? Yes, available in Wintendo as well as Linux. Why are you compiling KiCad? You seriously don't need recompiling KiCad unless you have an exotic Linux version. Download the latest tgz kit ( or zip by all means... ) and follow the Linux instructions. I run the ready compiled version a very up to date SuSE 10.2 with all the latest bells and whistles... It "just works" out of the box. //Dan On Wednesday 10 January 2007 13:59, drugsinner wrote: > hi folks, > i am using kikad from about 2 monts and i find it very good amd modern > designed > i use > Build Version: > KiCad (2006-06-26) - Unicode version > and i found some bugs > auxulary axis works for drill file but not for gerber files > > now i am a Linux user and i will try to compile the newest version > soon as possible. > will this fix the problem ? > and is there an manual on kicad (i mean complete manual like the help > files) > and did someone tryed kicad whit Spice simulator??? > sorry for the stupid questions but still a newbie > ;) -- Dan Andersson, M0DFI [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[kicad-users] Re: Default field allocations in component properties - let's define those field
> Of course much depends on: > > A) Size of project > > B) Board Technology > > C) Your location. > A) Relatively large. B) Mostly SMT with some throughhole. I would guess 6 layer board, at least a 4 layer. Analog and digital. Several voltage supplies. Several connectors. C) Ohio Valley region of US To be qualified, one must demonstrate experience working in a high radiated noise environment. Experience in laying out switching power supplies would also be relevant. Our controller will switch some SERIOUS currents, so noise is our big enemy. We could lay out the board ourselves, but what we would really want from outsourcing is taking advantage of someone's expertise in avoiding noise issues. Qualified applicants may email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[kicad-users] some help needed
hi folks, i am using kikad from about 2 monts and i find it very good amd modern designed i use Build Version: KiCad (2006-06-26) - Unicode version and i found some bugs auxulary axis works for drill file but not for gerber files now i am a Linux user and i will try to compile the newest version soon as possible. will this fix the problem ? and is there an manual on kicad (i mean complete manual like the help files) and did someone tryed kicad whit Spice simulator??? sorry for the stupid questions but still a newbie ;)
