[kicad-users] New User

2009-01-19 Thread AD5VJ Bob 
Hello group:

I just downloaded and installed the windows xp version of kicad along with the 
3d viewer suggested, and the documentation pdf's (not
sure what they are for yet).

 I am impressed with Kicad, thanks are in order for what so far seems to be a 
very professional application for sch drawing and CB
manufacturer. I have been looking for an application to refresh myself with CAD.

After looking over many, this one seems to be 'the one' that will allow me to 
be familiar with any professional application that may
be presented in the industry while job hunting.

Many years ago, I used CAD in the lab of a very well known Institute. This was 
back in the middle to late 80's, so it has been a
while and many things are still familiar, yet many things have changed in the 
world of CAD all together for electronics design.

I will be playing with it to become familiar as I begin my voyage with you all 
discovering its uses and nuances as we proceed.

Thank you for having me as a member of the group.

Is there a link we have for downloading component libraries? 
I do remember one can never have enough of these.


Sincerely,
Bob AD5VJ

Re: [kicad-users] Re: How to read the "pho" files ?

2009-01-19 Thread Alain M. 
One suggestion: there are a number of free viewrs for windows, either 
read limited or 30 day limited, you could download some of them and see 
if the problem happens there too

Alain

electric_phil escreveu:
> I tried to remove the PCB-edge, but I don't see the bug : I can open
> files in Gerbv with the same process (right-clik on the file, then
> choose "gerbv" prog to open ) like file with edges ...
> 
> Launching Gerbv, then try trying to open a pho file don't work, edge
> present or not ... Don't know if it's a kicad bug or gerbv one ...
> 
> Phil
> 
> 
> --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, "Alain M."  wrote:
>> At leas one BUG in kicad was definetly located here in Barazil (100% 
>> reproductible), just check if it does  not aply to you:
>>
>> If a board does not have a PCB-edge defined, something is missing in
> the 
>> gerber file. That was confirmed with my manufacturer too.
>>
>> Alain
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your 
> question.
> Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of 
> Kicad.
> Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your 
> symbols/modules to the kicad library.
> For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the 
> kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups 
> Links
> 
> 
> 
> 
>

Re: [kicad-users] Re: How to read the "pho" files ?

2009-01-19 Thread jean-pierre.char...@inpg.fr 
electric_phil a écrit :
>
> I tried to remove the PCB-edge, but I don't see the bug : I can open
> files in Gerbv with the same process (right-clik on the file, then
> choose "gerbv" prog to open ) like file with edges ...
>
No bug on stable version or last svn version.

> Launching Gerbv, then try trying to open a pho file don't work, edge
> present or not ... Don't know if it's a kicad bug or gerbv one ...
>
I test it (Gerbv 3.10) and it works fine.
Are you trying to open a project (this is not a gerber file format)  or 
a layer (that it actually the gerber files).
Have you read the Gerbv doc ?

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[kicad-users] Re: How to read the "pho" files ?

2009-01-19 Thread electric_phil 
I tried to remove the PCB-edge, but I don't see the bug : I can open
files in Gerbv with the same process (right-clik on the file, then
choose "gerbv" prog to open ) like file with edges ...

Launching Gerbv, then try trying to open a pho file don't work, edge
present or not ... Don't know if it's a kicad bug or gerbv one ...

Phil


--- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, "Alain M."  wrote:
>
> At leas one BUG in kicad was definetly located here in Barazil (100% 
> reproductible), just check if it does  not aply to you:
> 
> If a board does not have a PCB-edge defined, something is missing in
the 
> gerber file. That was confirmed with my manufacturer too.
> 
> Alain
> 
>

RE: [kicad-users] Re: Copy block between sheets

2009-01-19 Thread Alberto Rubinelli - A2 Sistemi 
> Hi,
> Please do a search as this is a FAQ.

I've found the solution in faq ! thanks.

Sorry for my silly question, but I've found the faq only now.

Alberto

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[kicad-users] Re: Copy block between sheets

2009-01-19 Thread yajeed2000 
--- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, "Alberto Rubinelli" 
wrote:
>
> How can I copy (or move) a block from a sheet to another ?
> I've try "save block" but I don't understand how work
> Thanks 
> 
> Alberto
>
Hi,
Please do a search as this is a FAQ.

David.

Re: [kicad-users] Re: How to read the "pho" files ?

2009-01-19 Thread Alain M. 
At leas one BUG in kicad was definetly located here in Barazil (100% 
reproductible), just check if it does  not aply to you:

If a board does not have a PCB-edge defined, something is missing in the 
gerber file. That was confirmed with my manufacturer too.

Alain

electric_phil escreveu:
> Hi Dan & Dave ...
> 
> Sorry to not reply before, I had an internet failure ...
> 
> Now, Gerbv is working, but can't load the "pho" file . To have it
> working, I just double-clic on the file I want to open, and choose to
> open it with Gerbv ...
> 
> But it seems that Gerbv can operate on multiple file of a same project
> and I don't know how to open them in just one window ...

[kicad-users] Re: How to read the "pho" files ?

2009-01-19 Thread electric_phil 
Hi Dan & Dave ...

Sorry to not reply before, I had an internet failure ...

Now, Gerbv is working, but can't load the "pho" file . To have it
working, I just double-clic on the file I want to open, and choose to
open it with Gerbv ...

But it seems that Gerbv can operate on multiple file of a same project
and I don't know how to open them in just one window ...

[kicad-users] Copy block between sheets

2009-01-19 Thread Alberto Rubinelli 
How can I copy (or move) a block from a sheet to another ?
I've try "save block" but I don't understand how work
Thanks 

Alberto

Re: [kicad-users] How to read the "pho" files ?

2009-01-19 Thread Dan Andersson 

KiCad have a decent Gerber viewer itself, so I don't see the immediate reason 
to use Gerbv there. However, it's worrisome if there are deviations on the 
Gerber standard. I have had rather complex KiCad designs produced from my 
Gerber files without the usual whinging PCB producer so I assume KiCad's Gerber 
output is kosher.

My immediate problem with KiCad's Gerber output is to convert it to G-code to 
run in EMC2 CNC milling software.

I tested two converters now and both refuses the KiCad code.

//Dan, M0DFI



On Monday 19 January 2009 09:24:48 Dave - WB6DHW wrote:
>   I use ViewMate to view the .pho files.  I don't know if they have a
> Linux version.  Never had a problem with the .pho files.
>
> Dave - WB6DHW
> 
>
> electric_phil wrote:
> > I just finish routing my pcb, and plot it in Gerber file format
> > which gives me several ".pho" files ( depend which ones layers I
> > choose ) ...
> >
> > I thought I could read them with "Gerbv" (a gerber file viewer under
> > Linux ) but it can't load them ...
> >
> > Are these ".pho" files Gerber format compatibles or just Gerbv non
> > fonctional ?
> >
> > Thanks a lot

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d...@andersson.co.uk


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Re: [kicad-users] How to read the "pho" files ?

2009-01-19 Thread Dave - WB6DHW 
  I use ViewMate to view the .pho files.  I don't know if they have a 
Linux version.  Never had a problem with the .pho files.

Dave - WB6DHW


electric_phil wrote:
> I just finish routing my pcb, and plot it in Gerber file format
> which gives me several ".pho" files ( depend which ones layers I
> choose ) ...
>
> I thought I could read them with "Gerbv" (a gerber file viewer under
> Linux ) but it can't load them ...
>
> Are these ".pho" files Gerber format compatibles or just Gerbv non
> fonctional ?
>
> Thanks a lot
>
>
>
>

Re: [kicad-users] How to read the "pho" files ?

2009-01-19 Thread Dan Andersson 

No,

GCAM still can't read KiCad Gerber files, even after the manual hack to please 
Gerbv.

This means that I cannot use KiCad for my new CNC Milling machine yet. I'd 
really really hate to be forced back to Eagle!

//Dan, M0DFI

Re: [kicad-users] How to read the "pho" files ?

2009-01-19 Thread Dan Andersson 
This is a bit weird:

Gerbv doesn't like the "G04" Gerber command ( comments etc ) so I manually 
edited the file and tried again.
Then it complains on G01 so be gone with that too. Now Gerbv reads the file.

I suspect the Gerber changes have been added to KiCad's Gerber engine sinced I 
tested last time, 9 month's ago or so.

Now I'm going to check if GCAM can read the same Gerber file, it couldn't 
earlier...

//Dan, M0DFI


On Monday 19 January 2009 08:35:20 electric_phil wrote:
> I just finish routing my pcb, and plot it in Gerber file format
> which gives me several ".pho" files ( depend which ones layers I
> choose ) ...
>
> I thought I could read them with "Gerbv" (a gerber file viewer under
> Linux ) but it can't load them ...
>
> Are these ".pho" files Gerber format compatibles or just Gerbv non
> fonctional ?
>
> Thanks a lot

-- 
dan.anders...@ieee.org 
d...@andersson.co.uk


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Re: [kicad-users] How to read the "pho" files ?

2009-01-19 Thread Dan Andersson 
Bugger!

You are right!

I updated my Gerbv and KiCad - they do disagree.

Gerbv comes out with an error -1

Gonna spend some time on this!

//Dan, M0DFI



On Monday 19 January 2009 09:06:03 Dan Andersson wrote:
> ??? !
>
> I can read my .pho files in Gerbv without any problems. I've also tested
> reading the files with other Gerber viewers without any problems.
>
> //Dan, M0DFI
>
> On Monday 19 January 2009 08:35:20 electric_phil wrote:
> > I just finish routing my pcb, and plot it in Gerber file format
> > which gives me several ".pho" files ( depend which ones layers I
> > choose ) ...
> >
> > I thought I could read them with "Gerbv" (a gerber file viewer under
> > Linux ) but it can't load them ...
> >
> > Are these ".pho" files Gerber format compatibles or just Gerbv non
> > fonctional ?
> >
> > Thanks a lot

-- 
dan.anders...@ieee.org 
d...@andersson.co.uk


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Re: [kicad-users] How to read the "pho" files ?

2009-01-19 Thread Dan Andersson 

??? !

I can read my .pho files in Gerbv without any problems. I've also tested
reading the files with other Gerber viewers without any problems.

//Dan, M0DFI

On Monday 19 January 2009 08:35:20 electric_phil wrote:
> I just finish routing my pcb, and plot it in Gerber file format
> which gives me several ".pho" files ( depend which ones layers I
> choose ) ...
>
> I thought I could read them with "Gerbv" (a gerber file viewer under
> Linux ) but it can't load them ...
>
> Are these ".pho" files Gerber format compatibles or just Gerbv non
> fonctional ?
>
> Thanks a lot

-- 
dan.anders...@ieee.org 
d...@andersson.co.uk


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[kicad-users] How to read the "pho" files ?

2009-01-19 Thread electric_phil 
I just finish routing my pcb, and plot it in Gerber file format
which gives me several ".pho" files ( depend which ones layers I
choose ) ...

I thought I could read them with "Gerbv" (a gerber file viewer under
Linux ) but it can't load them ...

Are these ".pho" files Gerber format compatibles or just Gerbv non
fonctional ?

Thanks a lot