Re: [Koha] Russian Language characters in public catalog

[Andy Boze]

What you're looking for is a class of Unicode characters called 
combining marks. In this specific case, you're looking for combining 
half marks, which when put together span multiple characters, such as 
the ligatures used to transcribe Cyrillic characters in Latin characters.


Not all fonts contain the Unicode block that supports combining marks. 
Arial is a common font that happens to have that support, so you'll 
often find it used in library catalogs.


In my library's discovery system, it seems that whenever characters need 
the combining marks, they are forced to use the Arial font by placing 
then within an HTML  element styled with Arial as the font, like this.


i︠a︡

You'll find some records at < 
https://onesearch.library.nd.edu/primo-explore/search?query=any,contains,vospominanii%EF%B8%A0a%EF%B8%A1=nd_campus_scope=nd_campus=NDU=en_US=0 
>.


I don't know how they get enclosed in the span element. It well could be 
through the use of Javascript, as you suggested in a previous e-mail.


Wikipedia has some information on combining half marks at < 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combining_Half_Marks >. If you want to try 
using Javascript to detect these marks, I found this article that might 
be of interest, < 
https://dmitripavlutin.com/what-every-javascript-developer-should-know-about-unicode/ 
>.


Andy

On 1/26/2020 1:04 PM, Eric Phetteplace wrote:

Ineed after asking on Twitter, I discovered the arch is not an accent, but
a ligature meant to indicate that two latinate characters are representing
one Cyrllic one. It's apparently an idiosyncrasy of library cataloging:

"Yup, left ligature and right ligature. It's because library
transliteration values absolute precision over readability. Just writing ia
could be, in theory, either иа or я, so the ligatures signify that it's all
one letter under there."
https://twitter.com/marccold/status/1220858664560529408

Honestly though, it doesn't matter what language or meaning the symbol has,
it doesn't render correctly in our catalog so I'm still stuck. I wonder if
anyone else has a solution that doesn't involve simply using Arial. I see a
lot of catalog records with this ligature and yet not every catalog is
forced to use one of the small selection of fonts that support it, I hope.

Best,

ERIC PHETTEPLACE Systems Librarian (he/him)

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5212 Broadway | Oakland, CA | 94618

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On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 4:15 AM le-grex  wrote:




Am 26.01.20 um 12:54 schrieb le-grex:
*snip*


So his latin Name is M. Saryan. Or in russian, М. Сарьян. I would not
expect to see this pronounciation signs in a book search, since they are
not part of his name. But i'm not a Librarian in the way that i know
what the demands of these things are.


Excuse me, i meant "М. Сарьян" without the pronounciation sign ;)

*snip*
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Re: [Koha] Russian Language characters in public catalog

[James Weinheimer]

To see the ligatures in the catalog at the Library of Congress, see 
https://lccn.loc.gov/84174397


On 26-Jan-20 19:04, Eric Phetteplace wrote:

Ineed after asking on Twitter, I discovered the arch is not an accent, but
a ligature meant to indicate that two latinate characters are representing
one Cyrllic one. It's apparently an idiosyncrasy of library cataloging:

"Yup, left ligature and right ligature. It's because library
transliteration values absolute precision over readability. Just writing ia
could be, in theory, either иа or я, so the ligatures signify that it's all
one letter under there."
https://twitter.com/marccold/status/1220858664560529408

Honestly though, it doesn't matter what language or meaning the symbol has,
it doesn't render correctly in our catalog so I'm still stuck. I wonder if
anyone else has a solution that doesn't involve simply using Arial. I see a
lot of catalog records with this ligature and yet not every catalog is
forced to use one of the small selection of fonts that support it, I hope.

Best,

ERIC PHETTEPLACE Systems Librarian (he/him)

ephettepl...@cca.edu | o 510.594.3660

5212 Broadway | Oakland, CA | 94618

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On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 4:15 AM le-grex  wrote:



Am 26.01.20 um 12:54 schrieb le-grex:
*snip*

So his latin Name is M. Saryan. Or in russian, М. Сарьян. I would not
expect to see this pronounciation signs in a book search, since they are
not part of his name. But i'm not a Librarian in the way that i know
what the demands of these things are.

Excuse me, i meant "М. Сарьян" without the pronounciation sign ;)

*snip*
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Re: [Koha] Russian Language characters in public catalog

[Eric Phetteplace]

Ineed after asking on Twitter, I discovered the arch is not an accent, but
a ligature meant to indicate that two latinate characters are representing
one Cyrllic one. It's apparently an idiosyncrasy of library cataloging:

"Yup, left ligature and right ligature. It's because library
transliteration values absolute precision over readability. Just writing ia
could be, in theory, either иа or я, so the ligatures signify that it's all
one letter under there."
https://twitter.com/marccold/status/1220858664560529408

Honestly though, it doesn't matter what language or meaning the symbol has,
it doesn't render correctly in our catalog so I'm still stuck. I wonder if
anyone else has a solution that doesn't involve simply using Arial. I see a
lot of catalog records with this ligature and yet not every catalog is
forced to use one of the small selection of fonts that support it, I hope.

Best,

ERIC PHETTEPLACE Systems Librarian (he/him)

ephettepl...@cca.edu | o 510.594.3660

5212 Broadway | Oakland, CA | 94618

:(){ :|: & };:


On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 4:15 AM le-grex  wrote:

>
>
> Am 26.01.20 um 12:54 schrieb le-grex:
> *snip*
> >
> > So his latin Name is M. Saryan. Or in russian, М. Сарьян. I would not
> > expect to see this pronounciation signs in a book search, since they are
> > not part of his name. But i'm not a Librarian in the way that i know
> > what the demands of these things are.
>
> Excuse me, i meant "М. Сарьян" without the pronounciation sign ;)
>
> *snip*
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Re: [Koha] Installation on so-called virtual server at external internet service provider IONOS

[Heinz-Jürgen Oertel]

Hallo Franz,

thank you,
I'## check what Contabo GmbH offers

  Heinz


Am Sonntag, 26. Januar 2020, 16:29:44 CET schrieb Franz Dietrich:
> Hello,
> 
> As your ressources are small I'd suggest to get something cheaper.
> 
> I'm using a vps located in germany: contabo.de
> There you get a lot more for the same money. The cheapest VPS is
> 3.99€/month has 4 cores, 4GB Ram and 300GB of diskspace.
> (https://contabo.de/?show=konfigurator_id=238)
> 
> You can host your domain at inwx.com where a .de domain costs 4.65€/year
> 
> I am very pleased with their (german) support. Do not contact them in
> english their english support is bad.
> 
> I hope I did help you
> 
> PS: I have no connection to the companies I'm recommending other than
> beeing their customer (I do not get promo or anything)
> 
> Am 26.01.20 um 13:53 schrieb Heinz-Jürgen Oertel:
> > Hello,
> > just a short introduction, joined the list today.
> > I'm on the way to replace the currently used Allegro-B for our small,
> > about
> > 3000 books, library. The main reason is to have an OPAC to tell the world
> > what we have collected so far in our specialized library.
> > 
> > We have two options
> > - installing koha on a separate pc (debian) on our premises, but so far I
> > don't know how can open the OPAC to the customers
> > 
> > - installing koha on an external virtual server with root access
> > My question, is there someone here having it done at IONOS, the former
> > German company 1&1.
> > 
> > Or to you have better recommendations.
> > By the way, money is a very small resource in our association, German
> > Verein e.V.
> > 
> > Greetings
> > 
> > Heinz
> > 



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Re: [Koha] Installation on so-called virtual server at external internet service provider IONOS

[Heinz-Jürgen Oertel]

Hello Chris,

thanks for the feedback. I know that I have to consider a lot of things if 
hosting the Koha server in-house. The only advantage would be cost.

You ave me a good feeling for choosing an ISP. I will have look at the ISP 
Franz has mentioned.  3.99€/month is a good price. IONOS asks for  10€/Monat 
(VPS M: 2 Core, 2G RAM, 80G SSD) 

 Heinz

Am Sonntag, 26. Januar 2020, 15:54:59 CET schrieb Chris Brown:
> Hi Heinz-Jürgen,
> 
> I don't have any experience of IONOS but I successfully host Koha on a
> virtual private server from Digital Ocean. For a long time we were running
> on a small configuration costing 20 USD per month though we have now
> upgraded as we're supporting 5 libraries (and a web site). I have had a
> smooth ride (though I do have prior experience of administering Linux
> servers). Digital Ocean will give you a VPS with Debian pre-installed which
> makes it easy to get started.
> 
> If you're hosting in-house, some things to think about:
> 
> 1. Does your ISP offer a static IP address?
> 2. You will need to set up a tunnel (or do I mean a bridge?) through your
> broadband router to your Koha server
> 3. You will need a way to do backups -- preferably off-site
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> Chris Brown
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 12:53 PM Heinz-Jürgen Oertel 
> wrote:
> > Hello,
> > just a short introduction, joined the list today.
> > I'm on the way to replace the currently used Allegro-B for our small,
> > about
> > 3000 books, library. The main reason is to have an OPAC to tell the world
> > what
> > we have collected so far in our specialized library.
> > 
> > We have two options
> > - installing koha on a separate pc (debian) on our premises, but so far I
> > don't know how can open the OPAC to the customers
> > 
> > - installing koha on an external virtual server with root access
> > My question, is there someone here having it done at IONOS, the former
> > German
> > company 1&1.
> > 
> > Or to you have better recommendations.
> > By the way, money is a very small resource in our association, German
> > Verein
> > e.V.
> > 
> > Greetings
> > 
> > Heinz
> > 
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Re: [Koha] Installation on so-called virtual server at external internet service provider IONOS

[Franz Dietrich]

Hello,

As your ressources are small I'd suggest to get something cheaper.

I'm using a vps located in germany: contabo.de
There you get a lot more for the same money. The cheapest VPS is 
3.99€/month has 4 cores, 4GB Ram and 300GB of diskspace. 
(https://contabo.de/?show=konfigurator_id=238)


You can host your domain at inwx.com where a .de domain costs 4.65€/year

I am very pleased with their (german) support. Do not contact them in 
english their english support is bad.


I hope I did help you

PS: I have no connection to the companies I'm recommending other than 
beeing their customer (I do not get promo or anything)


Am 26.01.20 um 13:53 schrieb Heinz-Jürgen Oertel:

Hello,
just a short introduction, joined the list today.
I'm on the way to replace the currently used Allegro-B for our small, about
3000 books, library. The main reason is to have an OPAC to tell the world what
we have collected so far in our specialized library.

We have two options
- installing koha on a separate pc (debian) on our premises, but so far I
don't know how can open the OPAC to the customers

- installing koha on an external virtual server with root access
My question, is there someone here having it done at IONOS, the former German
company 1&1.

Or to you have better recommendations.
By the way, money is a very small resource in our association, German Verein
e.V.

Greetings
Heinz



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Re: [Koha] Installation on so-called virtual server at external internet service provider IONOS

[Chris Brown]

Hi Heinz-Jürgen,

I don't have any experience of IONOS but I successfully host Koha on a
virtual private server from Digital Ocean. For a long time we were running
on a small configuration costing 20 USD per month though we have now
upgraded as we're supporting 5 libraries (and a web site). I have had a
smooth ride (though I do have prior experience of administering Linux
servers). Digital Ocean will give you a VPS with Debian pre-installed which
makes it easy to get started.

If you're hosting in-house, some things to think about:

1. Does your ISP offer a static IP address?
2. You will need to set up a tunnel (or do I mean a bridge?) through your
broadband router to your Koha server
3. You will need a way to do backups -- preferably off-site

Good luck!

Best Regards

Chris Brown




On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 12:53 PM Heinz-Jürgen Oertel 
wrote:

> Hello,
> just a short introduction, joined the list today.
> I'm on the way to replace the currently used Allegro-B for our small,
> about
> 3000 books, library. The main reason is to have an OPAC to tell the world
> what
> we have collected so far in our specialized library.
>
> We have two options
> - installing koha on a separate pc (debian) on our premises, but so far I
> don't know how can open the OPAC to the customers
>
> - installing koha on an external virtual server with root access
> My question, is there someone here having it done at IONOS, the former
> German
> company 1&1.
>
> Or to you have better recommendations.
> By the way, money is a very small resource in our association, German
> Verein
> e.V.
>
> Greetings
> Heinz
>
>
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Re: [Koha] Enquiry

[Michael Kuhn]

Hi

> *s their any particular sequence when you fill Excel to import into
> Koha*

You cannot use MS Excel files to load data into Koha.

To load user data you can use a CSV file (MS Excel can deal with that) 
with a structure depending on your Koha version. The respective 
struchture you can find in Koha menu "Tools > Import patrons" - on the 
right side you will find the sentence "Download a starter CSV file with 
all the columns here." The HERE is clickable and downloading it will 
give you the structure valid for Koha 19.11:


cardnumber,surname,firstname,title,othernames,initials,streetnumber,streettype,address,address2,city,state,zipcode,country,email,phone,mobile,fax,emailpro,phonepro,B_streetnumber,B_streettype,B_address,B_address2,B_city,B_state,B_zipcode,B_country,B_email,B_phone,dateofbirth,branchcode,categorycode,dateenrolled,dateexpiry,date_renewed,gonenoaddress,lost,debarred,debarredcomment,contactname,contactfirstname,contacttitle,borrowernotes,relationship,sex,password,flags,userid,opacnote,contactnote,sort1,sort2,altcontactfirstname,altcontactsurname,altcontactaddress1,altcontactaddress2,altcontactaddress3,altcontactstate,altcontactzipcode,altcontactcountry,altcontactphone,smsalertnumber,sms_provider_id,privacy,privacy_guarantor_fines,privacy_guarantor_checkouts,checkprevcheckout,updated_on,lastseen,lang,login_attempts,overdrive_auth_token,anonymized,relationship,guarantor_id,guarantor_firstname,guarantor_surname

Be sure to download the correct structure for your own Koha version.

To load title and/or item data you will need original MARC or MARCXML 
files. Unlike to CSV MS Excel is not able to deal with them at all.


Hope this helps.

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[Koha] Enquiry

[Himanshu Aggarwal]

*s their any particular sequence when you fill Excel to import into Koha*

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[Koha] Installation on so-called virtual server at external internet service provider IONOS

[Heinz-Jürgen Oertel]

Hello,
just a short introduction, joined the list today.
I'm on the way to replace the currently used Allegro-B for our small, about 
3000 books, library. The main reason is to have an OPAC to tell the world what 
we have collected so far in our specialized library.

We have two options
- installing koha on a separate pc (debian) on our premises, but so far I 
don't know how can open the OPAC to the customers

- installing koha on an external virtual server with root access
My question, is there someone here having it done at IONOS, the former German 
company 1&1.

Or to you have better recommendations. 
By the way, money is a very small resource in our association, German Verein 
e.V.

Greetings 
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Re: [Koha] Russian Language characters in public catalog

[le-grex]

Am 26.01.20 um 12:54 schrieb le-grex:
*snip*
> 
> So his latin Name is M. Saryan. Or in russian, М. Сарьян. I would not
> expect to see this pronounciation signs in a book search, since they are
> not part of his name. But i'm not a Librarian in the way that i know
> what the demands of these things are.

Excuse me, i meant "М. Сарьян" without the pronounciation sign ;)

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Re: [Koha] Russian Language characters in public catalog

[le-grex]

Am 25.01.20 um 00:03 schrieb :
> Hi all,

Hi,

> 
> This is perhaps more of a general web design problem than a Koha-specific
> one but I'm wondering if others have had trouble with accented Russian
> characters displaying properly and what their solution was. Here's a search
> of all our Russian language records
> ;
> there's an accent that's a large, sweeping arch over multiple letters
> (sorry, after some research I still don't know its name) which renders as
> blank unicode boxes by fonts that do not support it, e.g. "M. Sarʹi︠a︡n" as
> opposed to how it should look
> .
> 
> The Arial font is so far the only one I've found that renders the accent
> properly, though I assume there are others. Koha theme's NotoSans doesn't
> and neither do any of our institutional brand fonts. Is there anywhere in
> the public catalog display where the record language is shown? Preferably
> as a class or other CSS hook, if I could just do
> `#catalogue_detail_biblio.russian { font-family: arial }` that'd be the
> perfect solution.

I doubt that this is really a russian "accent", because that makes no
sense in this connection. A russian accent would be, i.e. in: Каменский.
The Breve above the и makes the normal и=i to a й=j.

M. Saryan is an armenian painter and so it's armenian name is not
russian/cyrillic but: Մարտիրոս Սարյան according to wikipedia.

The russian transliteration is: Мартирос Сарьян and in latin Martiros
Saryan. Or in a russian dictionary: Мартиро́с Сарья́н with pronounciation
signs.

So if you look at his surname Сарья́н, you see a Я, which is pronounced
"ja" and is in fact a ligature, or was at least, today it's one letter.
The Accent above Я is only a pronounciation hint, but not part of the
original name. Since Сарья́н does also include a ь, a mjagkij snak, which
is not a letter to pronounce, but a sign to change the "hardness" of the
consonant before (here р, which is r).

In short: M. Sarʹi︠a︡n seems just to be a strange, broken transliteration
of these signs. The ' behind the r refers to the ь, since you "can't"
speak it. And the sweeping arches above ian seems to be the rest of the
pronounciation sign above the я́ (ia). But you don't write the
pronounciation signs in russian language (unless it's a dictionary or
similar).

So his latin Name is M. Saryan. Or in russian, М. Сарьян. I would not
expect to see this pronounciation signs in a book search, since they are
not part of his name. But i'm not a Librarian in the way that i know
what the demands of these things are.

> 
> I've been considering how to handle this but nothing other than simply
> switching the whole catalog's font to Arial seems great. I can add some
> JavaScript to change the font on just select pages, but I'd have to tell
> when affected records are appearing and also apply it to search results. I
> could edit all the records to romanize them but would be laborious since I
> don't think there's a way to do a bulk edit that catches every instance of
> the accent. Plus, newly imported records will have the same problem and
> I'll have to keep revisiting them.
> 
> Best,
> 
> ERIC PHETTEPLACE Systems Librarian (he/him)

Sincerely,

grex

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