Re: [Koha] Spam from BestBookBuddies (OpenLX)

[vikram zadgaonkar]

Dear All,
From yesterday we are getting sale/marketing spam emails from
sud...@openlx.com email ID for *www.BestBookBuddies.com
 *. I believe others are also facing this
problem.
I request to address this issue.

Vikram Zadgaonkar

On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 1:09 AM, Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate <
sud...@kalculate.com> wrote:

> Thanks Jonathan, for pointing out that link on lislinks.com - it was a
> un-intended mistake - not knowing that replying to different people would
> get consolidated on one page. I have now deleted them, and will take care
> of such things in future.
>
> My new request for registration can be the consolidation of earlier
> listings.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Sudhir Gandotra
> www.bestbookbuddies.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 12:15 AM, Jonathan Druart <
> jonathan.dru...@bugs.koha-community.org> wrote:
>
> > This is spam:
> > http://www.lislinks.com/forum/topics/how-to-import-data-
> > from-libsys-to-koha
> >
> > Moreover the request you made got an answer: https://lists.katipo.
> > co.nz/pipermail/koha/2016-November/046546.html
> > => OpenLX is already listed.
> > By the way the link to the demo is down.
> >
> > On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 at 15:26 Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate <
> > sud...@kalculate.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Well Chris Cormack,  It will be very interesting to note that a Koha
> >> Service Provider with over 400 Libraries to his credit, will be removed
> >> from the official list, because he sent a mail to a Library informing
> about
> >> his Koha Services.
> >>
> >> It will be an interesting standard to be fixed for this community and to
> >> be watched closely by many in the future.
> >>
> >> It is interesting to note that while you do not rightly want to be part
> >> of the trouble between some service providers, you seem to be
> influenced by
> >> some of them. I hope I will be proven wrong on this point, which seems
> to
> >> be clear conclusion from what you wrote.
> >>
> >> *By the way, how do we decide that my mail to a library, a direct mail
> >> sent to them, can be termed as a spam ?*
> >>
> >> *Since when, did people start talking of their services only when
> someone
> >> asks for them ?*
> >>
> >> I trust the common sense will prevail and all of us will remain
> promoting
> >> Koha and not the fears of some people around here.
> >>
> >> By the way, my request for being listed as a Koha service provider
> >> (BestBook Buddies.com) is still not approved and I have resent the
> request
> >> today.
> >>
> >> Sudhir Gandotra
> >>
> >> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:42 PM, Chris Cormack 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just a quick note, unsolicited emails, or spam as it is commonly known
> >>> is indeed a crime in some jurisdictions. And in almost every one it is
> >>> against convention.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not going to respond to the rest of your email which reads as a
> >>> personal fight between you and other Indian Koha developers/companies.
> >>> Please leave this kind of email off the list in future.
> >>>
> >>> And if you plan to continue to send unsolicited emails to people then I
> >>> think the request to remove the listing should stand
> >>>
> >>> Chris
> >>>
> >>> On 9 August 2017 5:58:37 AM NZST, "Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate" <
> >>> sud...@kalculate.com> wrote:
> 
>  Dear Jonathan Druart,
> 
>  I am rather surprised to note this mail.
> 
>  The only mail that I see from you to me was as below :
> 
>  --
> 
>  Jonathan Druart 
>  May 17
>  to koha
> 
>  Dear Sudhir Gandotra,
> 
>  You are receiving this email because you are listed as a paid support
>  company on the Koha community website (https://koha-community.org/su
>  pport/paid-support).
> 
>  We are updating the list of paid support companies for Koha on our
>  community website. Please, after reading this email, either hit reply
> or
>  complete the form mentioned below to confirm you are still an active
>  support company.
> 
>  The next development cycle of Koha (17.11) is going to start before
> the
>  month of May is out.
>  Over the next 6 months we will be building the latest, even more
> awesome,
>  release of Koha.  We strongly believe that having everybody involved
> is
>  fundamental to achieving this.
> 
>  We want to build a task force and for that, we need to know who can
> commit
>  time and effort that we can count on, in order to estimate the goals
> we can
>  reach.
>  Even if you have never been involved in the Koha community but are
> using
>  Koha, you can help us by committing just a few hours each month:
>  library workers or support companies can contribute massively by
> providing
>  feedback, testing patches, contributing to the documentation or by
> getting
>  involved in other specific tasks. Even if you do not know how to 

Re: [Koha] Spam from BestBookBuddies (OpenLX)

[Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate]

Thanks Jonathan, for pointing out that link on lislinks.com - it was a
un-intended mistake - not knowing that replying to different people would
get consolidated on one page. I have now deleted them, and will take care
of such things in future.

My new request for registration can be the consolidation of earlier
listings.

Best wishes,

Sudhir Gandotra
www.bestbookbuddies.com



On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 12:15 AM, Jonathan Druart <
jonathan.dru...@bugs.koha-community.org> wrote:

> This is spam:
> http://www.lislinks.com/forum/topics/how-to-import-data-
> from-libsys-to-koha
>
> Moreover the request you made got an answer: https://lists.katipo.
> co.nz/pipermail/koha/2016-November/046546.html
> => OpenLX is already listed.
> By the way the link to the demo is down.
>
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 at 15:26 Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate <
> sud...@kalculate.com> wrote:
>
>> Well Chris Cormack,  It will be very interesting to note that a Koha
>> Service Provider with over 400 Libraries to his credit, will be removed
>> from the official list, because he sent a mail to a Library informing about
>> his Koha Services.
>>
>> It will be an interesting standard to be fixed for this community and to
>> be watched closely by many in the future.
>>
>> It is interesting to note that while you do not rightly want to be part
>> of the trouble between some service providers, you seem to be influenced by
>> some of them. I hope I will be proven wrong on this point, which seems to
>> be clear conclusion from what you wrote.
>>
>> *By the way, how do we decide that my mail to a library, a direct mail
>> sent to them, can be termed as a spam ?*
>>
>> *Since when, did people start talking of their services only when someone
>> asks for them ?*
>>
>> I trust the common sense will prevail and all of us will remain promoting
>> Koha and not the fears of some people around here.
>>
>> By the way, my request for being listed as a Koha service provider
>> (BestBook Buddies.com) is still not approved and I have resent the request
>> today.
>>
>> Sudhir Gandotra
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:42 PM, Chris Cormack 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just a quick note, unsolicited emails, or spam as it is commonly known
>>> is indeed a crime in some jurisdictions. And in almost every one it is
>>> against convention.
>>>
>>> I'm not going to respond to the rest of your email which reads as a
>>> personal fight between you and other Indian Koha developers/companies.
>>> Please leave this kind of email off the list in future.
>>>
>>> And if you plan to continue to send unsolicited emails to people then I
>>> think the request to remove the listing should stand
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On 9 August 2017 5:58:37 AM NZST, "Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate" <
>>> sud...@kalculate.com> wrote:

 Dear Jonathan Druart,

 I am rather surprised to note this mail.

 The only mail that I see from you to me was as below :

 --

 Jonathan Druart 
 May 17
 to koha

 Dear Sudhir Gandotra,

 You are receiving this email because you are listed as a paid support
 company on the Koha community website (https://koha-community.org/su
 pport/paid-support).

 We are updating the list of paid support companies for Koha on our
 community website. Please, after reading this email, either hit reply or
 complete the form mentioned below to confirm you are still an active
 support company.

 The next development cycle of Koha (17.11) is going to start before the
 month of May is out.
 Over the next 6 months we will be building the latest, even more awesome,
 release of Koha.  We strongly believe that having everybody involved is
 fundamental to achieving this.

 We want to build a task force and for that, we need to know who can commit
 time and effort that we can count on, in order to estimate the goals we can
 reach.
 Even if you have never been involved in the Koha community but are using
 Koha, you can help us by committing just a few hours each month:
 library workers or support companies can contribute massively by providing
 feedback, testing patches, contributing to the documentation or by getting
 involved in other specific tasks. Even if you do not know how to code you
 can help shape the next release and improve Koha.
 If you want to help, or if you have specific requests for this release,
 please let us know by completing this form:

  https://framaforms.org/ready-to-help-the-koha-community-1493918217 <
>

 Just a couple of hours per month dedicated to the project is a huge help!

 Best regards,
 Jonathan Druart on behalf of the Koha community

 --


 I have not replied to it, as I am usually been travelling extensively for
 the last 12 months, but, within our 

Re: [Koha] Spam from BestBookBuddies (OpenLX)

[Owen Leonard]

> Maybe we should change the listing to “contributing support companies” or 
> something like that.

I think that's an interesting idea, but the larger problem remains:
There will always be contention around how the support companies list
is made, no matter what. I think we've done pretty well with the very
basic requirements we've set for for listing. I'm inclined to either
stick with it or, if it's agreed that the current system is too
contentious, eliminate it altogether.

The immediate question, about a listing for BestBookBuddies, is best
answered as it already was: It would be a duplicate listing of OpenLX
and should be rejected.

 -- Owen

-- 
Web Developer
Athens County Public Libraries
http://www.myacpl.org
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Re: [Koha] Spam from BestBookBuddies (OpenLX)

[Nathan Curulla]

Greetings all,

I personally agree that work needs to be done on this list. Maybe we should 
change the listing to “contributing support companies” or something like that. 
If you want to get listed in the Koha Yellow Pages, pony up some time on bug 
testing, dev submittals etc.. Invest in the community and you can put your 
company on the community site. We can even put up a disclaimer stating that 
there are many more companies out there, these are just the ones that give back 
in a significant way… This will encourage participation and reward those who 
already participate (which includes the vast majority of those already on the 
list). 

In my humble opinion, giving Koha services away for free in order to get a foot 
in the door to sell your primary offering (such as books) does not count as a 
contribution to the community. In fact, if the system is not properly supported 
because it is used as a peripheral marketing technique, it could end up hurting 
the community, as poor support translates into poor software in the eyes of the 
users. Not saying this is the case here, just some hypothetical contemplation :)


> Nathan A. Curulla
> Owner, CRO
> ByWater Solutions



> --
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2017 10:21:44 +1000
> From: Bob Birchall <b...@calyx.net.au>
> To: koha@lists.katipo.co.nz
> Subject: Re: [Koha] Spam from BestBookBuddies (OpenLX)
> Message-ID: <835ba28d-0b9e-cba3-c6e4-15285e78a...@calyx.net.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> There we go again - 'official list' as if it has some status other than 
> as a yellow pages directory. I suspect the noise from the sub-continent 
> particularly will increase, whilst very little comes back to the 
> project. I think we should just get rid of that page from the website.
> My 2 cents,
> Bob Birchall
> Calyx
> 
> 
> *

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Re: [Koha] Spam from BestBookBuddies (OpenLX)

[Bob Birchall]

There we go again - 'official list' as if it has some status other than 
as a yellow pages directory. I suspect the noise from the sub-continent 
particularly will increase, whilst very little comes back to the 
project. I think we should just get rid of that page from the website.

My 2 cents,
Bob Birchall
Calyx

On 09/08/17 04:26, Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate wrote:

Well Chris Cormack,  It will be very interesting to note that a Koha
Service Provider with over 400 Libraries to his credit, will be removed
from the official list, because he sent a mail to a Library informing about
his Koha Services.

It will be an interesting standard to be fixed for this community and to be
watched closely by many in the future.

It is interesting to note that while you do not rightly want to be part of
the trouble between some service providers, you seem to be influenced by
some of them. I hope I will be proven wrong on this point, which seems to
be clear conclusion from what you wrote.

*By the way, how do we decide that my mail to a library, a direct mail sent
to them, can be termed as a spam ?*

*Since when, did people start talking of their services only when someone
asks for them ?*

I trust the common sense will prevail and all of us will remain promoting
Koha and not the fears of some people around here.

By the way, my request for being listed as a Koha service provider
(BestBook Buddies.com) is still not approved and I have resent the request
today.

Sudhir Gandotra

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:42 PM, Chris Cormack 
wrote:


Just a quick note, unsolicited emails, or spam as it is commonly known is
indeed a crime in some jurisdictions. And in almost every one it is against
convention.

I'm not going to respond to the rest of your email which reads as a
personal fight between you and other Indian Koha developers/companies.
Please leave this kind of email off the list in future.

And if you plan to continue to send unsolicited emails to people then I
think the request to remove the listing should stand

Chris

On 9 August 2017 5:58:37 AM NZST, "Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate" <
sud...@kalculate.com> wrote:

Dear Jonathan Druart,

I am rather surprised to note this mail.

The only mail that I see from you to me was as below :

--

Jonathan Druart 
May 17
to koha

Dear Sudhir Gandotra,

You are receiving this email because you are listed as a paid support
company on the Koha community website (https://koha-community.org/su
pport/paid-support).

We are updating the list of paid support companies for Koha on our
community website. Please, after reading this email, either hit reply or
complete the form mentioned below to confirm you are still an active
support company.

The next development cycle of Koha (17.11) is going to start before the
month of May is out.
Over the next 6 months we will be building the latest, even more awesome,
release of Koha.  We strongly believe that having everybody involved is
fundamental to achieving this.

We want to build a task force and for that, we need to know who can commit
time and effort that we can count on, in order to estimate the goals we can
reach.
Even if you have never been involved in the Koha community but are using
Koha, you can help us by committing just a few hours each month:
library workers or support companies can contribute massively by providing
feedback, testing patches, contributing to the documentation or by getting
involved in other specific tasks. Even if you do not know how to code you
can help shape the next release and improve Koha.
If you want to help, or if you have specific requests for this release,
please let us know by completing this form:

  https://framaforms.org/ready-to-help-the-koha-community-1493918217 <
Just a couple of hours per month dedicated to the project is a huge help!

Best regards,
Jonathan Druart on behalf of the Koha community

--


I have not replied to it, as I am usually been travelling extensively for
the last 12 months, but, within our team, we are discussing as to how we
can take this forward and start contributing to the Koha community in
future, starting in next few months.

*On the other hand, I would like to share the following with you :*


As duly acknowledged by the Koha community here, we are the entity (then
known as Indserve Infotech Pvt. Ltd.) that introduced Koha in India with
the first commercially done Koha implementation at Delhi Pubic Library, in
2007-08, for which I can show you the formal purchase order also.
Its another story that our trainee-engineer, who was trained by us on this
project, left us, cheated us, took away the clients we were negotiating and
harmed our work seriously, went to another company and is active on Koha
even now.
We were forced to lie low for a while (due to illegal actions of a large
MNC against us) and restarted our activities in a big way again in 2010,
and after 

Re: [Koha] Spam from BestBookBuddies (OpenLX)

[Jonathan Druart]

This is spam:
http://www.lislinks.com/forum/topics/how-to-import-data-from-libsys-to-koha

Moreover the request you made got an answer:
https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2016-November/046546.html
=> OpenLX is already listed.
By the way the link to the demo is down.

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 at 15:26 Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate <
sud...@kalculate.com> wrote:

> Well Chris Cormack,  It will be very interesting to note that a Koha
> Service Provider with over 400 Libraries to his credit, will be removed
> from the official list, because he sent a mail to a Library informing about
> his Koha Services.
>
> It will be an interesting standard to be fixed for this community and to
> be watched closely by many in the future.
>
> It is interesting to note that while you do not rightly want to be part of
> the trouble between some service providers, you seem to be influenced by
> some of them. I hope I will be proven wrong on this point, which seems to
> be clear conclusion from what you wrote.
>
> *By the way, how do we decide that my mail to a library, a direct mail
> sent to them, can be termed as a spam ?*
>
> *Since when, did people start talking of their services only when someone
> asks for them ?*
>
> I trust the common sense will prevail and all of us will remain promoting
> Koha and not the fears of some people around here.
>
> By the way, my request for being listed as a Koha service provider
> (BestBook Buddies.com) is still not approved and I have resent the request
> today.
>
> Sudhir Gandotra
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:42 PM, Chris Cormack 
> wrote:
>
>> Just a quick note, unsolicited emails, or spam as it is commonly known is
>> indeed a crime in some jurisdictions. And in almost every one it is against
>> convention.
>>
>> I'm not going to respond to the rest of your email which reads as a
>> personal fight between you and other Indian Koha developers/companies.
>> Please leave this kind of email off the list in future.
>>
>> And if you plan to continue to send unsolicited emails to people then I
>> think the request to remove the listing should stand
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On 9 August 2017 5:58:37 AM NZST, "Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate" <
>> sud...@kalculate.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Jonathan Druart,
>>>
>>> I am rather surprised to note this mail.
>>>
>>> The only mail that I see from you to me was as below :
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Jonathan Druart 
>>> May 17
>>> to koha
>>>
>>> Dear Sudhir Gandotra,
>>>
>>> You are receiving this email because you are listed as a paid support
>>> company on the Koha community website (https://koha-community.org/su
>>> pport/paid-support).
>>>
>>> We are updating the list of paid support companies for Koha on our
>>> community website. Please, after reading this email, either hit reply or
>>> complete the form mentioned below to confirm you are still an active
>>> support company.
>>>
>>> The next development cycle of Koha (17.11) is going to start before the
>>> month of May is out.
>>> Over the next 6 months we will be building the latest, even more awesome,
>>> release of Koha.  We strongly believe that having everybody involved is
>>> fundamental to achieving this.
>>>
>>> We want to build a task force and for that, we need to know who can commit
>>> time and effort that we can count on, in order to estimate the goals we can
>>> reach.
>>> Even if you have never been involved in the Koha community but are using
>>> Koha, you can help us by committing just a few hours each month:
>>> library workers or support companies can contribute massively by providing
>>> feedback, testing patches, contributing to the documentation or by getting
>>> involved in other specific tasks. Even if you do not know how to code you
>>> can help shape the next release and improve Koha.
>>> If you want to help, or if you have specific requests for this release,
>>> please let us know by completing this form:
>>>
>>>  https://framaforms.org/ready-to-help-the-koha-community-1493918217 <

>>>
>>> Just a couple of hours per month dedicated to the project is a huge help!
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Jonathan Druart on behalf of the Koha community
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> I have not replied to it, as I am usually been travelling extensively for
>>> the last 12 months, but, within our team, we are discussing as to how we
>>> can take this forward and start contributing to the Koha community in
>>> future, starting in next few months.
>>>
>>> *On the other hand, I would like to share the following with you :*
>>>
>>>
>>> As duly acknowledged by the Koha community here, we are the entity (then
>>> known as Indserve Infotech Pvt. Ltd.) that introduced Koha in India with
>>> the first commercially done Koha implementation at Delhi Pubic Library, in
>>> 2007-08, for which I can show you the formal purchase order also.
>>> Its another story that our trainee-engineer, who was trained 

Re: [Koha] Spam from BestBookBuddies (OpenLX)

[Katrin]

This is what I get from the discussion so far as facts that concern the 
community:


- You never replied to Jonathan or filled out the form. That's why you 
ended up on the list of companies to be removed from the directory.


- You sent unsolicited emails advertising your servies to a library in 
the US. I can tell you that this kind of action is frowned upon not only 
in the US, but in Germany too.


Everything else you write about I have no idea about nor do I think this 
is the right place to discuss it.


Katrin

On 08.08.2017 20:26, Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate wrote:

Well Chris Cormack,  It will be very interesting to note that a Koha
Service Provider with over 400 Libraries to his credit, will be removed
from the official list, because he sent a mail to a Library informing about
his Koha Services.

It will be an interesting standard to be fixed for this community and to be
watched closely by many in the future.

It is interesting to note that while you do not rightly want to be part of
the trouble between some service providers, you seem to be influenced by
some of them. I hope I will be proven wrong on this point, which seems to
be clear conclusion from what you wrote.

*By the way, how do we decide that my mail to a library, a direct mail sent
to them, can be termed as a spam ?*

*Since when, did people start talking of their services only when someone
asks for them ?*

I trust the common sense will prevail and all of us will remain promoting
Koha and not the fears of some people around here.

By the way, my request for being listed as a Koha service provider
(BestBook Buddies.com) is still not approved and I have resent the request
today.

Sudhir Gandotra

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:42 PM, Chris Cormack 
wrote:


Just a quick note, unsolicited emails, or spam as it is commonly known is
indeed a crime in some jurisdictions. And in almost every one it is against
convention.

I'm not going to respond to the rest of your email which reads as a
personal fight between you and other Indian Koha developers/companies.
Please leave this kind of email off the list in future.

And if you plan to continue to send unsolicited emails to people then I
think the request to remove the listing should stand

Chris

On 9 August 2017 5:58:37 AM NZST, "Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate" <
sud...@kalculate.com> wrote:

Dear Jonathan Druart,

I am rather surprised to note this mail.

The only mail that I see from you to me was as below :

--

Jonathan Druart 
May 17
to koha

Dear Sudhir Gandotra,

You are receiving this email because you are listed as a paid support
company on the Koha community website (https://koha-community.org/su
pport/paid-support).

We are updating the list of paid support companies for Koha on our
community website. Please, after reading this email, either hit reply or
complete the form mentioned below to confirm you are still an active
support company.

The next development cycle of Koha (17.11) is going to start before the
month of May is out.
Over the next 6 months we will be building the latest, even more awesome,
release of Koha.  We strongly believe that having everybody involved is
fundamental to achieving this.

We want to build a task force and for that, we need to know who can commit
time and effort that we can count on, in order to estimate the goals we can
reach.
Even if you have never been involved in the Koha community but are using
Koha, you can help us by committing just a few hours each month:
library workers or support companies can contribute massively by providing
feedback, testing patches, contributing to the documentation or by getting
involved in other specific tasks. Even if you do not know how to code you
can help shape the next release and improve Koha.
If you want to help, or if you have specific requests for this release,
please let us know by completing this form:

  https://framaforms.org/ready-to-help-the-koha-community-1493918217 <
Just a couple of hours per month dedicated to the project is a huge help!

Best regards,
Jonathan Druart on behalf of the Koha community

--


I have not replied to it, as I am usually been travelling extensively for
the last 12 months, but, within our team, we are discussing as to how we
can take this forward and start contributing to the Koha community in
future, starting in next few months.

*On the other hand, I would like to share the following with you :*


As duly acknowledged by the Koha community here, we are the entity (then
known as Indserve Infotech Pvt. Ltd.) that introduced Koha in India with
the first commercially done Koha implementation at Delhi Pubic Library, in
2007-08, for which I can show you the formal purchase order also.
Its another story that our trainee-engineer, who was trained by us on this
project, left us, cheated us, took away the clients we were negotiating and
harmed our work seriously, went 

Re: [Koha] Spam from BestBookBuddies (OpenLX)

[Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate]

Well Chris Cormack,  It will be very interesting to note that a Koha
Service Provider with over 400 Libraries to his credit, will be removed
from the official list, because he sent a mail to a Library informing about
his Koha Services.

It will be an interesting standard to be fixed for this community and to be
watched closely by many in the future.

It is interesting to note that while you do not rightly want to be part of
the trouble between some service providers, you seem to be influenced by
some of them. I hope I will be proven wrong on this point, which seems to
be clear conclusion from what you wrote.

*By the way, how do we decide that my mail to a library, a direct mail sent
to them, can be termed as a spam ?*

*Since when, did people start talking of their services only when someone
asks for them ?*

I trust the common sense will prevail and all of us will remain promoting
Koha and not the fears of some people around here.

By the way, my request for being listed as a Koha service provider
(BestBook Buddies.com) is still not approved and I have resent the request
today.

Sudhir Gandotra

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:42 PM, Chris Cormack 
wrote:

> Just a quick note, unsolicited emails, or spam as it is commonly known is
> indeed a crime in some jurisdictions. And in almost every one it is against
> convention.
>
> I'm not going to respond to the rest of your email which reads as a
> personal fight between you and other Indian Koha developers/companies.
> Please leave this kind of email off the list in future.
>
> And if you plan to continue to send unsolicited emails to people then I
> think the request to remove the listing should stand
>
> Chris
>
> On 9 August 2017 5:58:37 AM NZST, "Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate" <
> sud...@kalculate.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Jonathan Druart,
>>
>> I am rather surprised to note this mail.
>>
>> The only mail that I see from you to me was as below :
>>
>> --
>>
>> Jonathan Druart 
>> May 17
>> to koha
>>
>> Dear Sudhir Gandotra,
>>
>> You are receiving this email because you are listed as a paid support
>> company on the Koha community website (https://koha-community.org/su
>> pport/paid-support).
>>
>> We are updating the list of paid support companies for Koha on our
>> community website. Please, after reading this email, either hit reply or
>> complete the form mentioned below to confirm you are still an active
>> support company.
>>
>> The next development cycle of Koha (17.11) is going to start before the
>> month of May is out.
>> Over the next 6 months we will be building the latest, even more awesome,
>> release of Koha.  We strongly believe that having everybody involved is
>> fundamental to achieving this.
>>
>> We want to build a task force and for that, we need to know who can commit
>> time and effort that we can count on, in order to estimate the goals we can
>> reach.
>> Even if you have never been involved in the Koha community but are using
>> Koha, you can help us by committing just a few hours each month:
>> library workers or support companies can contribute massively by providing
>> feedback, testing patches, contributing to the documentation or by getting
>> involved in other specific tasks. Even if you do not know how to code you
>> can help shape the next release and improve Koha.
>> If you want to help, or if you have specific requests for this release,
>> please let us know by completing this form:
>>
>>  https://framaforms.org/ready-to-help-the-koha-community-1493918217 <
>>>
>>
>> Just a couple of hours per month dedicated to the project is a huge help!
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Jonathan Druart on behalf of the Koha community
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> I have not replied to it, as I am usually been travelling extensively for
>> the last 12 months, but, within our team, we are discussing as to how we
>> can take this forward and start contributing to the Koha community in
>> future, starting in next few months.
>>
>> *On the other hand, I would like to share the following with you :*
>>
>>
>> As duly acknowledged by the Koha community here, we are the entity (then
>> known as Indserve Infotech Pvt. Ltd.) that introduced Koha in India with
>> the first commercially done Koha implementation at Delhi Pubic Library, in
>> 2007-08, for which I can show you the formal purchase order also.
>> Its another story that our trainee-engineer, who was trained by us on this
>> project, left us, cheated us, took away the clients we were negotiating and
>> harmed our work seriously, went to another company and is active on Koha
>> even now.
>> We were forced to lie low for a while (due to illegal actions of a large
>> MNC against us) and restarted our activities in a big way again in 2010,
>> and after creating over 165 clients across 15 countries, have now taken
>> Koha to new level, whereby we are offering the complete services free of
>> cost and 

Re: [Koha] Spam from BestBookBuddies (OpenLX)

[Chris Cormack]

Just a quick note, unsolicited emails, or spam as it is commonly known is 
indeed a crime in some jurisdictions. And in almost every one it is against 
convention. 

I'm not going to respond to the rest of your email which reads as a personal 
fight between you and other Indian Koha developers/companies. Please leave this 
kind of email off the list in future. 

And if you plan to continue to send unsolicited emails to people then I think 
the request to remove the listing should stand 

Chris 

On 9 August 2017 5:58:37 AM NZST, "Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate" 
 wrote:
>Dear Jonathan Druart,
>
>I am rather surprised to note this mail.
>
>The only mail that I see from you to me was as below :
>
>=
>Jonathan Druart 
>May 17
>to koha
>Dear Sudhir Gandotra,
>
>You are receiving this email because you are listed as a paid support
>company on the Koha community website (https://koha-community.org/su
>pport/paid-support).
>
>We are updating the list of paid support companies for Koha on our
>community website. Please, after reading this email, either hit reply
>or
>complete the form mentioned below to confirm you are still an active
>support company.
>
>The next development cycle of Koha (17.11) is going to start before the
>month of May is out.
>Over the next 6 months we will be building the latest, even more
>awesome,
>release of Koha.  We strongly believe that having everybody involved is
>fundamental to achieving this.
>
>We want to build a task force and for that, we need to know who can
>commit
>time and effort that we can count on, in order to estimate the goals we
>can
>reach.
>Even if you have never been involved in the Koha community but are
>using
>Koha, you can help us by committing just a few hours each month:
>library workers or support companies can contribute massively by
>providing
>feedback, testing patches, contributing to the documentation or by
>getting
>involved in other specific tasks. Even if you do not know how to code
>you
>can help shape the next release and improve Koha.
>If you want to help, or if you have specific requests for this release,
>please let us know by completing this form:
>
> > https://framaforms.org/ready-to-help-the-koha-community-1493918217 <
>
>Just a couple of hours per month dedicated to the project is a huge
>help!
>
>Best regards,
>Jonathan Druart on behalf of the Koha community
>
>=
>
>I have not replied to it, as I am usually been travelling extensively
>for
>the last 12 months, but, within our team, we are discussing as to how
>we
>can take this forward and start contributing to the Koha community in
>future, starting in next few months.
>
>*On the other hand, I would like to share the following with you :*
>
>As duly acknowledged by the Koha community here, we are the entity
>(then
>known as Indserve Infotech Pvt. Ltd.) that introduced Koha in India
>with
>the first commercially done Koha implementation at Delhi Pubic Library,
>in
>2007-08, for which I can show you the formal purchase order also.
>Its another story that our trainee-engineer, who was trained by us on
>this
>project, left us, cheated us, took away the clients we were negotiating
>and
>harmed our work seriously, went to another company and is active on
>Koha
>even now.
>We were forced to lie low for a while (due to illegal actions of a
>large
>MNC against us) and restarted our activities in a big way again in
>2010,
>and after creating over 165 clients across 15 countries, have now taken
>Koha to new level, whereby we are offering the complete services free
>of
>cost and this is taking us places.
>
>The amount of publicity, growth and expansion that we have done with
>Koha
>is tremendous when you see the number of clients, the spread of these
>clients, and their support to us because of un-breaking services.
>
>I am aware that people like Vinod Mishra and some others are quiet
>jealous
>of us and now with these free services, they are, possibly, afraid of
>losing their business. And, because of this, they find all kinds of
>excuses
>of speaking against us with clients and here also on the list.
>
>I see no reason for deleting our name, because, caused by such negative
>people, it will only give bad name to the whole of community, a cause
>to
>which we have given our full support form the very beginning. And,
>moreover, we have done nothing against Koha. Rather, with the number of
>libraries to our credit, we are among the biggest providers of Koha
>services.
>
>To promote our services, we do send mails to libraries and in that
>process,
>the mail went to mycpl.org also. Owen Leonard felt bad about it, wrote
>to
>me, and I replied to him with my apologies, as our intentions have
>solely
>been to promote Koha. However, there is no law or convention that says
>that
>a Koha service provider cannot send promotional mails to libraries.
>Please

Re: [Koha] Spam from BestBookBuddies (OpenLX)

[Sudhir Gandotra @ Kalculate]

Dear Jonathan Druart,

I am rather surprised to note this mail.

The only mail that I see from you to me was as below :

=
Jonathan Druart 
May 17
to koha
Dear Sudhir Gandotra,

You are receiving this email because you are listed as a paid support
company on the Koha community website (https://koha-community.org/su
pport/paid-support).

We are updating the list of paid support companies for Koha on our
community website. Please, after reading this email, either hit reply or
complete the form mentioned below to confirm you are still an active
support company.

The next development cycle of Koha (17.11) is going to start before the
month of May is out.
Over the next 6 months we will be building the latest, even more awesome,
release of Koha.  We strongly believe that having everybody involved is
fundamental to achieving this.

We want to build a task force and for that, we need to know who can commit
time and effort that we can count on, in order to estimate the goals we can
reach.
Even if you have never been involved in the Koha community but are using
Koha, you can help us by committing just a few hours each month:
library workers or support companies can contribute massively by providing
feedback, testing patches, contributing to the documentation or by getting
involved in other specific tasks. Even if you do not know how to code you
can help shape the next release and improve Koha.
If you want to help, or if you have specific requests for this release,
please let us know by completing this form:

> https://framaforms.org/ready-to-help-the-koha-community-1493918217 <

Just a couple of hours per month dedicated to the project is a huge help!

Best regards,
Jonathan Druart on behalf of the Koha community

=

I have not replied to it, as I am usually been travelling extensively for
the last 12 months, but, within our team, we are discussing as to how we
can take this forward and start contributing to the Koha community in
future, starting in next few months.

*On the other hand, I would like to share the following with you :*

As duly acknowledged by the Koha community here, we are the entity (then
known as Indserve Infotech Pvt. Ltd.) that introduced Koha in India with
the first commercially done Koha implementation at Delhi Pubic Library, in
2007-08, for which I can show you the formal purchase order also.
Its another story that our trainee-engineer, who was trained by us on this
project, left us, cheated us, took away the clients we were negotiating and
harmed our work seriously, went to another company and is active on Koha
even now.
We were forced to lie low for a while (due to illegal actions of a large
MNC against us) and restarted our activities in a big way again in 2010,
and after creating over 165 clients across 15 countries, have now taken
Koha to new level, whereby we are offering the complete services free of
cost and this is taking us places.

The amount of publicity, growth and expansion that we have done with Koha
is tremendous when you see the number of clients, the spread of these
clients, and their support to us because of un-breaking services.

I am aware that people like Vinod Mishra and some others are quiet jealous
of us and now with these free services, they are, possibly, afraid of
losing their business. And, because of this, they find all kinds of excuses
of speaking against us with clients and here also on the list.

I see no reason for deleting our name, because, caused by such negative
people, it will only give bad name to the whole of community, a cause to
which we have given our full support form the very beginning. And,
moreover, we have done nothing against Koha. Rather, with the number of
libraries to our credit, we are among the biggest providers of Koha
services.

To promote our services, we do send mails to libraries and in that process,
the mail went to mycpl.org also. Owen Leonard felt bad about it, wrote to
me, and I replied to him with my apologies, as our intentions have solely
been to promote Koha. However, there is no law or convention that says that
a Koha service provider cannot send promotional mails to libraries. Please
help me understand this point better, if I am missing something.

I will not speak against any of them, as, that is neither my style, nor am
I person driven by fears.

Being a Humanist, I am aware that I need to contribute to the good of this
world, that has given me my life and everything else that I have and I am
very happy contributing to Linux and Koha in my own way.
*I have not done much, with my more than 400 Libraries to my credit, I
wonder if this is negligible.*

And, for that "crime" (if that's how these people will prefer to term it),
as its being labelled by some ignorant ones, if you think Koha community
will be happier without me on the list, let's set the new standards.

I am quiet aware 

Re: [Koha] Spam from BestBookBuddies (OpenLX)

[Jonathan Druart]

I have sent them several emails and they never answered. They are already
on my list of companies to remove from the list.

Cheers,
Jonathan

On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 at 08:56 Owen Leonard  wrote:

> Has anyone else received spam from "BestBookBuddies   - an Initiative
> of: OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd." ? They recently spammed me and
> everyone else on my library's contact page.
>
> If it were up to me they would be removed from the list of paid
> support providers, but I don't think the rules explicitly forbid
> sending spam.
>
>  -- Owen
>
> --
> Web Developer
> Athens County Public Libraries
> http://www.myacpl.org
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Re: [Koha] Spam from BestBookBuddies (OpenLX)

[vinod mishra]

I think delist would be good decision




With Regards,

Vinod Kumar Mishra,
Assistant Librarian,
Biju Patnaik Central Library (BPCL),
NIT Rourkela,
Sundergadh-769008,
Odisha,
India.
Mob:91+9439420860
Website: http://mishravk.com/
ORCID ID: http://orcid.org/-0003-4666-7874

*"Spiritual relationship is far more precious than physical. Physical
relationship divorced from spiritual is body without soul" -- Mahatma
Gandhi*

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Owen Leonard  wrote:

> Has anyone else received spam from "BestBookBuddies   - an Initiative
> of: OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd." ? They recently spammed me and
> everyone else on my library's contact page.
>
> If it were up to me they would be removed from the list of paid
> support providers, but I don't think the rules explicitly forbid
> sending spam.
>
>  -- Owen
>
> --
> Web Developer
> Athens County Public Libraries
> http://www.myacpl.org
> ___
> Koha mailing list  http://koha-community.org
> Koha@lists.katipo.co.nz
> https://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha
>
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[Koha] Spam from BestBookBuddies (OpenLX)

[Owen Leonard]

Has anyone else received spam from "BestBookBuddies   - an Initiative
of: OpenLX Technologies Pvt. Ltd." ? They recently spammed me and
everyone else on my library's contact page.

If it were up to me they would be removed from the list of paid
support providers, but I don't think the rules explicitly forbid
sending spam.

 -- Owen

-- 
Web Developer
Athens County Public Libraries
http://www.myacpl.org
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