KR> Regarding retract gear KR

[Douglas Cooke]

If the aircraft has EVER been flown with the retract gear, it can NEVER be 
flown by a light sport pilot, even after locking the gear in the down position.

Same thing goes for clean stall speed over 51MPH, in-flight adjustable prop, 
cruise speed higher than 120kts at sea level on a standard day, or gross weigh 
higher than 1320# (1430# for float/amphibian).

Unfortunate, but true.

Doug

KR> KR-1 Plans - Plus Stuff (LONG)

[Marc Baca]

Steve;

I'm based out at El Monte and have a KR-1. I"m 17 minutes away by C-172.   I 
would be willing to volunteer some production time it it would help you.   My 
interest would be to learn techniques.  


Marc Baca
mbf...@yahoo.com





From: Plane Nut 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 8:12:06 PM
Subject: RE: KR> KR-1 Plans - Plus Stuff (LONG)

Netter's,

As most of you know, we took over operations from RR this past year.  So one
can imagine there has been some growing pains while attempting to get things
moving again.  Between a blown out knee, moving in and out of hangars for
due to potential flooding, and now with moving into a larger facility in
attempt to streamline and be more productive, this has been a HUGE
undertaking.   We are working diligently to get the remaining orders out
that we have and anticipate having everything caught up by the end of the
year or shortly after depending on temperatures for the glass work. (Thank
you for your patience to those we have outstanding orders with)

Currently there is myself, and my partner Eric primarily doing EVERYTHING
for production!  We do not have enough revenue to hire employees as there
still is not enough volume as we attempt to reenergize the KR design in the
homebuilt community.  This IS NOT our primary method for making a living.
Eric is still on active duty with the US Navy and lives a couple hours away.
He is instrumental in taking care of all website and administrative duties
for nV Aero. He travels to the hangar to help with production, etc. when his
time permits based upon his current Op Temp.  Otherwise, production is
basically me.  I do the ordering, stocking, fabricating and any other gopher
jobs required.  We have some items contracted out such as welding, precision
machining, etc.  

Eric and I have a desire to provide quality, affordable parts and materials
for people to build their KR aircraft.  We certainly didn't get into this to
get rich.  The first thing to understand is nV Aero does not own the rights
to the plans for any of the KR aircraft. Jeanette has a price that she sells
the plans to us. Based upon that price we charge enough to cover our
shipping and administrative costs (picking up plans from RR which is 40
miles away, and other expenses associated with packaging and shipping.)  Due
to printing costs Jeanette has raised the price of the KR-1 plans to us.
The drawings and additional copies she provides are at current market rates
from the printers.  The book is the same as everyone else has received for
the past several years but those are rapidly running out so I anticipate
another increase once the current inventory is depleted.  

This brings me to Mr. Caudle's post.  I do feel he should have contacted me
first before posting to the net with his "displeasure".  I think I addressed
it fairly well above but let me be clear, WE buy the plans for $95.  We sell
at $114.95.  We found that is easier for flat rate shipping for our shopping
cart system due to the various destinations in the US and abroad.  So, $25
for "shipping" less up to 6% for credit card processing if a Corporate card
is used. This leaves us $108.05. Subtract $5.70 for Priority Mail with
delivery confirmation leaves $102.35 less $95 for RR leaves us $7.35 for our
time to pick up plans from RR, print packing lists (The packing list was
with Mr. Caudle's registration page), registration pages, package and get
them to the post office or however we ship.  Clearly we are making a TON of
money for the hassle.

I am a little displeased myself with Mr. Caudle's post given our original
correspondence.  Nothing was misleading when he inquired about the plans and
their quality. I guess I should have been VERY specific as to the additional
pages showing the new dimensions from the KR-2 changes with drawings instead
of photos. You can see my email to him below.  

BEGIN MSG.
"Dear Mr. Caudle,

Thank you for your inquiry into the KR-1.  I have not seen the Corby Starlet
plans so could not comment on how they compare however, there have been
several hundred KR-1's build over the years.  The KR-1 plans were drawn in
the 70's and have a builders manual with approximately 64 pages. The full
size drawings are for the airfoil only.  Dimensionally the additional photos
and measurements in the manual are pretty clear.  One positive thing
regarding the KR series is the builder support is outstanding.  The KR-net
has about 600 members and answers to most of your are readily available.  Of
course you can contact us as well.   I will work on converting a copy of a
page from the plans to send to you."
END.

Keep in mind these plans were written a very long time ago.   To answer the
various questions posted regarding the KR-1 plans.  The pages that have been
removed from the back of the manual were outdated and did not reflect
current building recommendations.  There also was engine info from Revmaster
as well 

KR> Tailwheel

[rdrace...@aol.com]

What is "too flat" in a three point attitude?  My KR2S has the  original 
retracts, and if I make no pitch change and allow it to accelerate it  will 
fly right off the runway.  Although it is much easier to take off by  raising 
the tail for a few seconds before allowing it to take off.

Todd Thelin
Spanaway, WA


In a message dated 10/19/2010 8:29:54 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
fles...@frontier.com writes:

The  original retracts are 
heavy, unreliable, and have the KR setting too flat  in a three point  
attitude.

KR> Tailwheel

[Larry Flesner]

At 08:49 PM 10/19/2010, you wrote:
>How high can I raise the tail? I want to add flaps, but I have the
>retractable gear, which leaves very little room for flaps or a belly board.
> >From past posts, I expect a few to say right away to ditch the retracts. I
>want to keep her close to the ground so I will make the retracts permanent.
>(probably my own design).
>Clay


You're right. Ditch the retracts.  The factors in a good decision are 
best balanced by the experience of others.  The original retracts are 
heavy, unreliable, and have the KR setting too flat in a three point 
attitude.

Not sure what you mean when you say " I want to keep her close to the 
ground so I will make the retracts permanent.(probably my own 
design)."  If in fact you keep the main gear much as it is now you 
are extremely limited on raising the tail, adding flaps, or 
installing a speed brake.  If you really want to make these changes 
and still have a nice looking and nice flying KR I'm thinking you 
need to start with a good set of fixed gear.  The laws of physics 
can't be changed with wishful thinking. :-)

Larry Flesner

KR> KR-1 Plans - Plus Stuff (LONG)

[Plane Nut]

Netter's,

As most of you know, we took over operations from RR this past year.  So one
can imagine there has been some growing pains while attempting to get things
moving again.  Between a blown out knee, moving in and out of hangars for
due to potential flooding, and now with moving into a larger facility in
attempt to streamline and be more productive, this has been a HUGE
undertaking.   We are working diligently to get the remaining orders out
that we have and anticipate having everything caught up by the end of the
year or shortly after depending on temperatures for the glass work. (Thank
you for your patience to those we have outstanding orders with)

Currently there is myself, and my partner Eric primarily doing EVERYTHING
for production!  We do not have enough revenue to hire employees as there
still is not enough volume as we attempt to reenergize the KR design in the
homebuilt community.  This IS NOT our primary method for making a living.
Eric is still on active duty with the US Navy and lives a couple hours away.
He is instrumental in taking care of all website and administrative duties
for nV Aero. He travels to the hangar to help with production, etc. when his
time permits based upon his current Op Temp.  Otherwise, production is
basically me.  I do the ordering, stocking, fabricating and any other gopher
jobs required.  We have some items contracted out such as welding, precision
machining, etc.  

Eric and I have a desire to provide quality, affordable parts and materials
for people to build their KR aircraft.  We certainly didn't get into this to
get rich.  The first thing to understand is nV Aero does not own the rights
to the plans for any of the KR aircraft. Jeanette has a price that she sells
the plans to us. Based upon that price we charge enough to cover our
shipping and administrative costs (picking up plans from RR which is 40
miles away, and other expenses associated with packaging and shipping.)  Due
to printing costs Jeanette has raised the price of the KR-1 plans to us.
The drawings and additional copies she provides are at current market rates
from the printers.  The book is the same as everyone else has received for
the past several years but those are rapidly running out so I anticipate
another increase once the current inventory is depleted.  

This brings me to Mr. Caudle's post.  I do feel he should have contacted me
first before posting to the net with his "displeasure".  I think I addressed
it fairly well above but let me be clear, WE buy the plans for $95.  We sell
at $114.95.  We found that is easier for flat rate shipping for our shopping
cart system due to the various destinations in the US and abroad.  So, $25
for "shipping" less up to 6% for credit card processing if a Corporate card
is used. This leaves us $108.05. Subtract $5.70 for Priority Mail with
delivery confirmation leaves $102.35 less $95 for RR leaves us $7.35 for our
time to pick up plans from RR, print packing lists (The packing list was
with Mr. Caudle's registration page), registration pages, package and get
them to the post office or however we ship.  Clearly we are making a TON of
money for the hassle.

I am a little displeased myself with Mr. Caudle's post given our original
correspondence.  Nothing was misleading when he inquired about the plans and
their quality. I guess I should have been VERY specific as to the additional
pages showing the new dimensions from the KR-2 changes with drawings instead
of photos. You can see my email to him below.  

BEGIN MSG.
"Dear Mr. Caudle,

Thank you for your inquiry into the KR-1.  I have not seen the Corby Starlet
plans so could not comment on how they compare however, there have been
several hundred KR-1's build over the years.  The KR-1 plans were drawn in
the 70's and have a builders manual with approximately 64 pages. The full
size drawings are for the airfoil only.  Dimensionally the additional photos
and measurements in the manual are pretty clear.  One positive thing
regarding the KR series is the builder support is outstanding.  The KR-net
has about 600 members and answers to most of your are readily available.  Of
course you can contact us as well.   I will work on converting a copy of a
page from the plans to send to you."
END.

Keep in mind these plans were written a very long time ago.   To answer the
various questions posted regarding the KR-1 plans.  The pages that have been
removed from the back of the manual were outdated and did not reflect
current building recommendations.  There also was engine info from Revmaster
as well as parts and kit availability that is not longer valid.  These pages
are removed by RR before we receive them. 

Hopefully this clears up any questions regarding the plans or our commitment
to the KR series of aircraft.  

We have just moved into a 60' X 60' hangar at Corona (AJO) and are planning
a build out to incorporate packing facilities, kitchen, bath office, and
classroom/ pilot lounge areas.  Our goal is to 

KR> Ebay KR2

[Larry Flesner]

>  This Kr-2 has been converted to a single seater-I'm
>not sure just what that means, or what is involved
>   Also it states the wheels are positioned so it can be ELSA, I'm kinda lost
>on how wheel position or configuration changes stall speed on an
>airworthiness certificate
>  big John
+++

Converted to a single seat probably means that the controls were 
modified to have the pilot setting in the middle instead of to one side.

I think that "light sport" requires the landing gear be 
"fixed".  These may be locked in the down position but even so they 
are not as light or aerodynamic as a good fared fixed gear.  The gear 
locked down or not would have nothing to do with stall speed.  The 
other requirement to be met are max speed and stall speed.  If it 
meets all requirements it could be flown under the "light sport" rules.

Larry Flesner

KR> Slow Start

[Edward Spyker]

I'm still sitting on a long box of KR1 spruce and my five year old daughter has 
been asking me for months why we aren't building an airplane yet. This week she 
has asked every day, so today I had the new airfoils printed. She is more 
excited even than me. 

 
Edward Spyker
jesj69 AT yahoo dot com

KR> 5 year aniversary

[MICHAEL SYLVESTER]

Yea Ha, Man that's awesome. Joe, I'm doing the best that I can to share some 
sky time with you guys. Keep the stories coming, there great inspiration.

Mike Sylvester 
kr2s builder 
Birmingham,AL.

Cell no.205-966-3854




> From: joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 01:34:07 +
> To: corvaircr...@mylist.net; kr...@mylist.net
> CC: 
> Subject: KR> 5 year aniversary
> 
> Hey Guys,
> Today I celebrated the 5 year anniversary of N357CJ's first flight. 
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KR> Aluminum Tanks

[Dan Heath]

Why not build the tanks out of foam and glass.  Light and quick.  I think
Mark L. proved that.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2011 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
There is a time for building and it never seems to end.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC


-Original Message-

Don't like them!  Heavy, no access once they are installed and I 
> don't want a header tank either.  

KR> Ebay KR2

[Dan Heath]

To me, it looked like the wheels were positioned for it to dump over on its
nose.  Can have no affect on stall speed, which is what has to be lowered
for LSA, and it can never be an ELSA or LSA aircraft if it has already been
registered as an Experimental, but could be flown as LSA if it could meet
the stall speed requirement.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2011 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
There is a time for building and it never seems to end.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of big john
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 9:37 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Ebay KR2

As I'm looking to buy- This Kr-2 has been converted to a single seater-I'm
not sure just what that means, or what is involved
  Also it states the wheels are positioned so it can be ELSA, I'm kinda lost
on how wheel position or configuration changes stall speed on an
airworthiness certificate
 big John
 Sevierville, TN

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Craig Williams wrote:

> $7500 buy it now.  Item 290487829695
>
>
>
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KR> Tailwheel

[velocityo...@yahoo.com]

Clay, 
You can raise the tail as high as you want but here is the problem. The higher 
you raise it the higher the takeoff and landing speeds will be. Flaps will help 
your over the nose visibility on landing. Your at rest angle needs to be 
roughly the same, hince if you raise the tail you should also raise the main 
gear. If you are concerned about being able to see down the runway don't be. 
You will find with just a little training that it's no big deal. 
Victor Taylor
CFI
Irvington Alabama

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 19, 2010, at 7:26 PM, "Clay"  wrote:

Hello all,

I recently acquired a 1993 KR2 that has never flown. I received it with
minor cosmetic damage and just a few things missing. (WAF bolts and tail
wheel). It has an 1835 VW engine that sports a POSA carb. I know, not the
best in the world. The POSA has to go, but the VW has all of 7 hours on it.
It is a beautiful bird and I am determined to fly her. 

My question is on the tail wheel. I don't know much about tail draggers, but
am learning more every day thanks to all of you. 

How high can I raise the tail? I want to add flaps, but I have the
retractable gear, which leaves very little room for flaps or a belly board.
>From past posts, I expect a few to say right away to ditch the retracts. I
want to keep her close to the ground so I will make the retracts permanent.
(probably my own design).



Any advice would be greatly appreciated.



Again, thank you all for KRNET, it is invaluable.



Clay 



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KR> Ebay KR2

[big john]

As I'm looking to buy- This Kr-2 has been converted to a single seater-I'm
not sure just what that means, or what is involved
  Also it states the wheels are positioned so it can be ELSA, I'm kinda lost
on how wheel position or configuration changes stall speed on an
airworthiness certificate
 big John
 Sevierville, TN

On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Craig Williams wrote:

> $7500 buy it now.  Item 290487829695
>
>
>
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KR> 5 year aniversary

[joe.kr2s.buil...@juno.com]

Hey Guys,
   Today I celebrated the 5 year anniversary of N357CJ's first flight. I really 
did not think that I was going to get a chance to fly as the day began with 
steady rain and 100 ft ceilings, but by late afternoon it had turned clear blue 
and very light winds. So I took a late evening flight into a beautiful sky. It 
has been an amazing 5 years. I need to thank everyone that has been a friend 
and helped me in the past. I love this flying bit more than life and have had 
more fun than any one person should have. I have made some super friends that I 
cherish as much as I can. I hope that i can keep this up forever. I really hope 
that i can get some of the pure and simple joy of flying communicated to anyone 
willing to listen and encourage them to complete their project no matter what 
it is or what it is powered by.  This is just the most amount of fun that can 
be had with your clothes on (I may try a test flight naked just to prove this 
theory)
As of today N357CJ has over 535 hours and near as i can guess over 20,000 
XC miles. It has been in 20 different states. It has had me to over 17,500 ft 
high and taken me on Adrenalin rushing low passes of up to 215 mph.  Many 
leisurely low flights over the local country side and mountains. The early 
mornings and late evenings of burning holes in the sky with dives and spirals 
and some great lazy chandels. Not everything is perfect and that includes 3 
engine out landings all back on to airports and all safe. All the normal 
problems with having built something myself. some early struggles with carbs 
and temperatures, A bunch of prop changes, a few flat tires and a few broken 
parts. I wouldn't trade any of it away.
The KR is a fabulous little sports car of the air, It is more fun than can 
be imagined, It has far exceeded my mission statement that I made when deciding 
what to build. The handling is easy and lite. It can be trimmed in lite 
conditions to fly for periods of time without control corrections. It takes off 
and lands very predictably. The cross winds capabilities continue to impress me 
(and save me)
The corvair 3100 that i choose to power it with performs to all my 
expectations. I love to do all the building and work on it. It has morphed into 
a very reliable power plant that was very affordable. I can fly it at 150 mph 
sipping about 4 gph. It starts quickly and runs oh so smooth. How can it get 
any better.
 I have been saying this for years-- "I'm the luckiest Guy I know"
Now the rest of you get out there and fly them if you got them or get to the 
shop and glue or rivet something to get a little closer to the Joy I know.
Joe Horton, Coopersburg, Pa.

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KR> RE: Object lesson - God's Grace

[Mark Langford]

And as a refresher:

KRNetiquette
We have a few folks who feel compelled to comment on just about every post 
made, and I can only be thankful that all 600 of us don't do that, or we'd 
be wading through several thousand emails a day! Please be considerate of 
your fellow KRNetHeads. A few of us would do well to heed the following 
advice:

1) Think long and hard before you publicly flame somebody on this list. This 
list may not be like others you've been on. We don't do that here, period. 
If you have a personal problem with another lister, you need to address it 
off the list and spare the rest of us your angst. If you disagree with 
something somebody else posted, you can disagree in a nice manner without 
getting all bent out of shape. Just point out your side of the discussion 
and let others be the judge. Public flaming and superfluous bad language 
will not be tolerated.

2) When replying to a post, delete everything except one or two key 
sentences from the previous post. It's really ridiculous to have to search 
thru 3 or 4 pages of stuff to find down at the bottom where some clown wrote 
"me too". Carrying all that useless baggage around from previous posts also 
gives people fits when searching the archives later, as they end up getting 
10 hits for the same message.

3) Conversely, at least put SOMETHING in the post to remind us what you're 
replying to. A post like "yeah, that's how I did mine and it works great" 
doesn't mean a thing if you don't know what the guy's talking about, so 
please cut and paste some of what you're replying to above your comments.

4) Carefully consider whether or not you even need to reply to a post. 
Saying "me too", or "I don't know" doesn't contribute to the thread, it just 
makes the list more bothersome. If you don't know what you're talking about, 
maybe you should be listening, rather than talking. There are FEW people who 
know everything about everything. Try to stick to things you KNOW about, and 
let others answer the rest.

5) Try to write "keeper" posts if you're the expert on something. Cover the 
whole issue, answer all possible questions, address both sides of an issue, 
and make it a post that others will want to save or print out and keep. 
Those are the gems that we all search for on KRNet.

6) Put your email address in your signature to make emailing others "offnet" 
easier. If we all had our addresses at the bottom of our posts, it would be 
far easier to "email direct". If it's blue just click on it, if it's not, 
cut it and paste it into the "To" box. If throwing your email address out on 
the internet makes you nervous (and it should), camoflage it a little by 
replacing the @ symbol with "at", or something similar, so that bot crawlers 
won't know what to do with it.

7) If you don't have anything subtantial to say, please don't post anything. 
This is a KR list, and as such, really needs to stay focused on KRs, or at 
least airplanes. With over 600 people on the list, if we all decided to say 
something every day we'd have a real problem. Ask yourself "do 600 people 
really need to see this, or are 600 people going to be annoyed by this?" 
Personally, my time is pretty precious to me, and I hate to waste it reading 
inane email. And is it something that you could find somewhere else?

8) Don't send enclosed files directly to the list. Either post it to a web 
site or get someone else to post it so others can see if they want, but 
don't have to if they don't. Also, enclosures are famous for carrying 
viruses, which we could all do without. I usually delete messages with 
enclosures immediately, unless I'm expecting something from that person. I 
don't have two days to rebuild my computer "for fun". And by all means, arm 
yourself with an anti-virus program such as Norton Antivirus or McAfee 
Antivirus. There are even FREE antivirus programs out there. GET ONE!

9) If you have something you want to share, specify that you want replies to 
go offline. It's nice to say "hey, I've got the holy grail on thingamajigs, 
anybody want it?", but when 15 people reply online that they want it it gets 
kinda painful wading thru all of those posts for nothing. A gentle reminder 
to "reply offline" and furnishing your email address will be a big help.

10) Do not advertise commercial products to this list. It's OK to let folks 
know there's a new service or a new business, but point them to web site. We 
don't need a bunch of advertising here. Personal testimonials as to a 
product's usefullness are welcome anytime, as long as it's not YOUR product. 
Advertising and selling KRs or KR parts IS permissible anytime, however.

11) Try not to take things personally. We're all here to help each other. 
There are usually several ways to take comments. Always try to pick the 
"nicest" interpretation, rather than trying to read animousity into a post. 
It's a lot easier to just ignore a snide comment and let it slide. Try to 
avoid "having the last word".

12) 

KR> Leaving

[Todd Price]

Jeff look at the bottom of the email.  See where it says UNSUVSCRIBE  just
click on that emaill address and that should do it.

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Jeff Prozzo  wrote:

> I have tried to leave.  Three times.  I still get KR stuff.
>
> I want to sell my KR...I don't want more mail about KRs.
>
> Yes I have tried krnet-le...@mylist.net to no avail.
>
> You fly better than you magage a website.
>
>
>
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-- 
Todd Price
Chandler, AZ

KR> Tailwheel

[Clay]

Hello all,

I recently acquired a 1993 KR2 that has never flown. I received it with
minor cosmetic damage and just a few things missing. (WAF bolts and tail
wheel). It has an 1835 VW engine that sports a POSA carb. I know, not the
best in the world. The POSA has to go, but the VW has all of 7 hours on it.
It is a beautiful bird and I am determined to fly her. 

My question is on the tail wheel. I don't know much about tail draggers, but
am learning more every day thanks to all of you. 

How high can I raise the tail? I want to add flaps, but I have the
retractable gear, which leaves very little room for flaps or a belly board.
>From past posts, I expect a few to say right away to ditch the retracts. I
want to keep her close to the ground so I will make the retracts permanent.
(probably my own design).



Any advice would be greatly appreciated.



Again, thank you all for KRNET, it is invaluable.



Clay 

KR> RE: Object lesson - God's Grace

[Brant Hollensbe]

Hi Charles

The Krnet is about building and flying the KR series of airplanes, go beyond
that and you run a risk. 

You need to read the KRNetiqutte at http://www.krnet.org/info.html  to find
out all the do's and don't of the Krnet.  


Brant Hollensbe
DSM

KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace

[Tony King]

Charles,

I know there are people of strong religious persuasion who believe it's
their god given right and moral responsibility to share their faith at every
opportunity, even (or especially) with those who aren't interested.  Your
most recent contribution to this forum suggests you may be one of those
people.  You're perfectly entitled to your views, but this forum is NOT the
place and I for one strongly object.

Tony King
Queensland Australia

On 20 October 2010 08:53, Charles Burkholder wrote:

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>God's Grace
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>What is mentioned here appears to be a
> shame, but the message is very true. I hope you are all blessed by this
> story. I wonder how many people will delete this without reading it because
> of the title.
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>There once was a man named George Thomas, a
> pastor in a small New England town. One Easter Sunday morning, he came to
> the Church carrying a rusty, bent, old bird cage and set it by the pulpit.
> Eyebrows were raised and as if in response, Pastor Thomas began to speak . .
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>"I was walking through town yesterday when I
> saw a young boy coming toward me swinging this bird cage. On the bottom of
> the cage were three little wild birds, shivering with cold and fright.
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>I stopped the lad and asked, "What do you
> have there, son?"
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>"Just some old birds," came the reply.
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>"What are you going to do with them?" I
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>"Take 'em home and have fun with 'em," he
> answered. "I'm gonna tease 'em and pull out their feathers to make 'em
> fight. I'm gonna have a real good time."
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>"But you'll get tired of those birds sooner
> or later. What will you do then?"
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>"Oh, I've got some cats," said the little
> boy. "They like birds. I'll take 'em to them."
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>The pastor was silent for a moment. "How
> much do you want for those birds, son?"
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>"Huh?! Why, you don't want them birds,
> mister. They're just plain old field birds. They don't sing. They ain't even
> pretty!"
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>"How much?" the pastor asked again.
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>The boy sized up the pastor as if he were
> crazy and said,"Ten dollars?"
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>The pastor reached in his pocket and took
> out a ten dollar bill. He placed it in the boy's hand. In a flash, the boy
> was gone. The pastor picked up the cage and gently carried it to the end of
> the alley where there was a tree and a grassy spot. Setting the cage down,
> he opened the door, and by softly tapping the bars, persuaded the birds out,
> setting them free.
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>So, that explained the empty bird cage on
> the pulpit, and then the pastor began to tell another story.
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>One day Satan and Jesus were having a
> conversation. Satan had just come from the Garden of Eden, and he was
> gloating and boasting.
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>"Yes, sir, I just caught a world full of
> people down there. Set me a trap, used bait I knew they couldn't resist. Got
> 'em all!"
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>"What are you going to do with them?" Jesus
> asked.
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>Satan replied,"Oh, I'm gonna have fun! I'm
> gonna teach them how to marry and divorce each
>other, how to hate and abuse each other, how
> to drink and smoke and curse. I'm gonna teach them how to invent guns and
> bombs and kill each other. I'm really gonna have fun!"
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>"And what will you do when you are done with
> them?" Jesus asked.
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>"Oh, I'll kill 'em," Satan glared proudly.
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>"How much do you want for them?" Jesus
> asked.
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>"Oh, you don't want those people. They ain't
> no good. Why, you'll take them and they'll just hate you. They'll spit on
> you, curse you and kill you. You don't want those people!"
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>"How much? Jesus asked again.
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>Satan looked at Jesus and sneered, "All your
> blood, tears and your life."
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>Jesus said, "DONE!"
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>Then Jesus paid the price.
>
>The pastor picked up the cage and walked
> from the pulpit.
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>I pray that everyone who sends this on, God
> will bless in a special way.
>
>If you have read this far then you 

KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace

[Darren Crompton]

-- 
Darren Crompton
AUSTRALIA

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KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace

[Charles Burkholder]

God's Grace

What is mentioned here appears to be a shame, 
but the message is very true. I hope you are all blessed by this story. I 
wonder how many people will delete this without reading it because of the title.

There once was a man named George Thomas, a 
pastor in a small New England town. One Easter Sunday morning, he came to the 
Church carrying a rusty, bent, old bird cage and set it by the pulpit. Eyebrows 
were raised and as if in response, Pastor Thomas began to speak . . .

"I was walking through town yesterday when I 
saw a young boy coming toward me swinging this bird cage. On the bottom of the 
cage were three little wild birds, shivering with cold and fright.

I stopped the lad and asked, "What do you have 
there, son?"

"Just some old birds," came the reply. 

"What are you going to do with them?" I asked.  


"Take 'em home and have fun with 'em," he 
answered. "I'm gonna tease 'em and pull out their feathers to make 'em fight. 
I'm gonna have a real good time."

"But you'll get tired of those birds sooner or 
later. What will you do then?"

"Oh, I've got some cats," said the little boy. 
"They like birds. I'll take 'em to them." 

The pastor was silent for a moment. "How much 
do you want for those birds, son?"

"Huh?! Why, you don't want them birds, mister. 
They're just plain old field birds. They don't sing. They ain't even pretty!" 

"How much?" the pastor asked again.

The boy sized up the pastor as if he were crazy 
and said,"Ten dollars?" 

The pastor reached in his pocket and took out a 
ten dollar bill. He placed it in the boy's hand. In a flash, the boy was gone. 
The pastor picked up the cage and gently carried it to the end of the alley 
where there was a tree and a grassy spot. Setting the cage down, he opened the 
door, and by softly tapping the bars, persuaded the birds out, setting them 
free.

So, that explained the empty bird cage on the 
pulpit, and then the pastor began to tell another story.

One day Satan and Jesus were having a 
conversation. Satan had just come from the Garden of Eden, and he was gloating 
and boasting.

"Yes, sir, I just caught a world full of people 
down there. Set me a trap, used bait I knew they couldn't resist. Got 'em all!"

"What are you going to do with them?" Jesus 
asked.

Satan replied,"Oh, I'm gonna have fun! I'm 
gonna teach them how to marry and divorce each
other, how to hate and abuse each other, how to 
drink and smoke and curse. I'm gonna teach them how to invent guns and bombs 
and kill each other. I'm really gonna have fun!"

"And what will you do when you are done with 
them?" Jesus asked.

"Oh, I'll kill 'em," Satan glared proudly.

"How much do you want for them?" Jesus asked.

"Oh, you don't want those people. They ain't no 
good. Why, you'll take them and they'll just hate you. They'll spit on you, 
curse you and kill you. You don't want those people!"

"How much? Jesus asked again.

Satan looked at Jesus and sneered, "All your 
blood, tears and your life."

Jesus said, "DONE!"

Then Jesus paid the price.

The pastor picked up the cage and walked from 
the pulpit. 




I pray that everyone who sends this on, God 
will bless in a special way.

If you have read this far then you will know 
that I prayed for you today. . .

whether you send this on or not!  God bless 
you!   




























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KR> Here's something to ponder

[Teate, Stephen]

"More crazy ideas from the Sea Fury guy. I got a million of them."


Believe me when I say I understand the call of the Warbird. My next kit will be 
a Titan built to look like a Focke Wulf 190-D9. But we are talking KR's here. 
The reason they perform as well as they do is because they are relatively 
light, small, and clean. Even with your 118HP you don't have a lot of excess 
power. Hanging two drop tanks out in the breeze, or anything else for that 
matter that absolutely doesn't have to be, will quickly eat up your excess 
power. Not trying to discourage you. Everyone makes the KR their own plane, 
myself included. This next March will mark my twenty first year building and I 
am still not done yet. But I am close. Keep the changes to a minimum and get 
building.

Stephen Teate
Paradise, Texas

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KR> Here's something to ponder

[Bob Buzby]

i love all your crazy ideas...(i think that's how people began to fly in the 
first place...)

> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:44:08 -0700
> From: kr2seaf...@yahoo.com
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> CC: t...@corsair82.com
> Subject: KR> Here's something to ponder
> 
> More crazy ideas from the Sea Fury guy.  I got a million of them.  LOL
> 
> 
> I have been thinking alot about my tanks and the aluminum versions I got with 
> the plane.  Don't like them!  Heavy, no access once they are installed and I 
> don't want a header tank either.  Soo, what about using drop tanks on my 
> Seafury.  http://www.kr2seafury.com/resources/1963seafury1of4.jpg  They would 
> be 
> 10" diameter and 30 inches long and that will give me about 12-13 gal each 
> side.  Hard points 12 outside of the WAF seem to be a good spot.  The RAF 
> wing 
> is almost 48 inch chord at that point.  Flat plate area should be small so 
> the 
> only issue I see would be handling.  And the fact that I am headed for an 
> O-235 
> motor.  Which is what I will do If I need to.  My goal is still a 130kt 
> cruise.
> 
> Craig
> www.kr2seafury.com
> 
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KR> Leaving

[Jeff Prozzo]

I have tried to leave.  Three times.  I still get KR stuff.
 
I want to sell my KR...I don't want more mail about KRs.
 
Yes I have tried krnet-le...@mylist.net to no avail.
 
You fly better than you magage a website.

KR> Here's something to ponder

[Craig Williams]

More crazy ideas from the Sea Fury guy.  I got a million of them.  LOL


I have been thinking alot about my tanks and the aluminum versions I got with 
the plane.  Don't like them!  Heavy, no access once they are installed and I 
don't want a header tank either.  Soo, what about using drop tanks on my 
Seafury.  http://www.kr2seafury.com/resources/1963seafury1of4.jpg  They would 
be 
10" diameter and 30 inches long and that will give me about 12-13 gal each 
side.  Hard points 12 outside of the WAF seem to be a good spot.  The RAF wing 
is almost 48 inch chord at that point.  Flat plate area should be small so the 
only issue I see would be handling.  And the fact that I am headed for an O-235 
motor.  Which is what I will do If I need to.  My goal is still a 130kt cruise.

Craig
www.kr2seafury.com

KR> KR1 plans

[John Caudle]

Hi David,

Thank you for your reply!  I have no model building experience. My Corby is a 
little better than 50% complete and has been a challenge all the way.  The 
prints are good while the instruction manual is less than helpful!
 
After seeing a copy of the KR-2 plans I think I'll be alright.

Gods Speed,

J.E. Caudle

Fenwick, WV

363TB (On the Bench)
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Bought my KR2 plans spring of '81. Had not seen another experimental aircraft 
under construction before or during construction of mine (three years). 
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KR> Copper State

[Lee Van Dyke]

I will be at Copperstate.   running Fuelventure.  Fri is weigh in and Sat AM 
will be takeoff time.

Lee Van Dyke

- Original Message - 
From: "David Goodman" 
To: "'KRnet'" 
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 1:12 PM
Subject: RE: KR> Copper State


Todd wrote:

Anyone attending Copper State next weekend?

Todd and KRnetters,

My family and I will be there as vendors.  Come by Vertical Avionics in the
main tent.  Looking forward to seeing some other KR folks there.
Unfortunately, Goliath will not be there and we will not have our Aeromax
engine there, either.  I had to decide between wife and children or engine
and plane.  Family wins!

IHS,
Dave"Zipper" Goodman
Vertical Avionics, Inc.
www.verticalavionics.com


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KR> CC19

[jg7...@mindspring.com]

  CC19 is right around the corner. I wanted to let everyone know that Michael 
and I are cooking barbecue for dinner Saturday night. For those of you not 
familiar with traditional southern pork barbecue, cooking it is a long process. 
We will have our portable pit setup next to the 100X100ft hanger and will start 
cooking late friday night. I invite everyone who want's to., to come over and 
sit around the fire for cold rootbeer and good conversation. 
  Lets all hope for good weather and a great weekend of flying engine building 
and education. 



John Godwin
N924JA
jg7...@mindspring.com
EarthLink Revolves Around You.

KR> Help Needed mixing Vinyl Ester

[Allen Wiesner]

Again, I've got 1/2 cc syringes for insulin, marked as "50 units" and with 1 
unit graduations, i.e. 1/100th of a cc.  I'll gladly send all you need or ask 
around locally, any diabetic friend or relative should have them available.

 Allen G. Wiesner  KR-2SS S/N 1118  T/D / CorvAIR
65 Franklin Street
Ansonia, CT  06401-1240


203-732-0508


"It ain't over until the fat lady sings".





From: Mark Langford 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Mon, October 18, 2010 10:43:48 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Help Needed mixing Vinyl Ester

Dan Heath wrote:

> My instructions that came with the VE say 5oz to a pint.  No way I need to
> mix a pint at a time.

I don't have my finished-up can of vinylester with me, but I'm pretty sure 
it says 5 CC's of resin per pint, rather than 5 ounces!  I don't think my 
gallon came with but about 3 ounces total of catalyst anyway.  I'm guessing 
that five ounces could cook off and cause a small thermonuclear explosion 
that could possible take out 4-5 neighboring hangars in about two 
nanoseconds after mixing.  So assuming my memory isn't completely gone on 
this, I used a tiny syringe about half the size of a pencil, which was 
something like ONE cc for the whole thing, graduated in tenths of a cc.  I 
mixed 4 or 8 ounces at a time to do my fuel tank, because any more than that 
would go exothermic and harden solid in 12 minutes in the hundred degree 
heat of my hangar this summer.  I found that 1cc syringe in some old stuff 
of Jim Hill's, and my veterinarian brother confirmed that he uses them on 
occasion.  Local farm coops are known to sell syringes, and even the drug 
store might sell you a pack of them for cheap with the needles removed. 
Your local vet would probably give you his old ones with the needles removed 
if you asked him.  Your mileage will probably vary, of course...

Mark Langford
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
website at http://www.N56ML.com
 


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KR> Help Needed mixing Vinyl Ester

[Dan Heath]

You are correct about the CC, not OZ.  Mixing 4 OZ at a time sounds like
what I want to do as I am only doing small repairs.

Thanks, this should get me started.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2011 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN
There is a time for building and it never seems to end.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Mark Langford
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 10:44 PM
To: KRnet
Subject: Re: KR> Help Needed mixing Vinyl Ester

Dan Heath wrote:

> My instructions that came with the VE say 5oz to a pint.  No way I need to
> mix a pint at a time.

I don't have my finished-up can of vinylester with me, but I'm pretty sure 
it says 5 CC's of resin per pint, rather than 5 ounces!  I don't think my 
gallon came with but about 3 ounces total of catalyst anyway.  I'm guessing 
that five ounces could cook off and cause a small thermonuclear explosion 
that could possible take out 4-5 neighboring hangars in about two 
nanoseconds after mixing.  So assuming my memory isn't completely gone on 
this, I used a tiny syringe about half the size of a pencil, which was 
something like ONE cc for the whole thing, graduated in tenths of a cc.  I 
mixed 4 or 8 ounces at a time to do my fuel tank, because any more than that

would go exothermic and harden solid in 12 minutes in the hundred degree 
heat of my hangar this summer.  I found that 1cc syringe in some old stuff 
of Jim Hill's, and my veterinarian brother confirmed that he uses them on 
occasion.  Local farm coops are known to sell syringes, and even the drug 
store might sell you a pack of them for cheap with the needles removed. 
Your local vet would probably give you his old ones with the needles removed

if you asked him.  Your mileage will probably vary, of course...

Mark Langford
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
website at http://www.N56ML.com
 


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