Fw: KR> capacitive fuel quantity system

[P.Byington]

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Heath" 
To: "'KRnet'" 
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: KR> capacitive fuel quantity system


I don't know about the Westach, but the Princeton can be calibrated.  I


Fellow netters;

I designed and built my own capacitive fuel gauge on N54PB and it works 
great, very accurate.  I designed the baffle as a large capacitor inside the 
tank.

The tank is constructed of fiberglass with 2 aluminum plates sealed in a 
layer of fiberglass and small bolts and washers to hold the plates apart.

This setup allows fuel to flow between the small space between the plates at 
all attitudes.  The capacitance of the plates changes with the level of the 
fuel between the plates.

My tank holds 20 gallons and the gauge is accurate within .5 gallons.

Let me know if any further information is needed or if I can be of 
assistance to anyone.

Thanks
Parley Byington
Henderson Nv
N54PB
byington1954@embarqmail 

KR> Replying

[Randolph R. Clark]

Randolph R. Clark is replying that I am unsubscribing from the KR Net.  Thank 
You.  rrcl...@carrollsweb.com

KR> outboard wing tanks

[Craig Williams]

Still thinking about fuel tanks.  I have seen at least 3 KR's in South Africa 
with tip tanks.  It's a thought but I was looking at my RAF48 skins and 
wondered if anyone has used the wing outboard of the spars to create an 
internal tank.  My rough calc puts the volume at 10 gallons.

Craig
www.kr2seafury.com

KR> progress

[John Caudle]

Hi Group,

Aircraft Spruce sells a fine little tool for laying out instruments.
I found it to be very helpful.  If something can be screwed up
I'm going to do it at least once...8-O

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/panel_layout.php

J.E. Caudle

Fenwick, WV

363TB (On the Bench)
<>
 Today I got my nerve up to start cutting on the panel.Before long I realized I 
made a mistake on the 3 1/8" cut outs, 
<>

KR> Flying last-night with the full-moon

[Bob Buzby]

that is: beyond perfect...   and perfectly beyond......Thank You for your 
written bliss...

> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 14:24:57 -0700
> From: ttcsem...@yahoo.com
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: KR> Flying last-night with the full-moon
> 
> 
> I went up last night to take log some full-moon time.   I haven't done night 
> flying in many years and can't remember ever flying with a full-moon (in a 
> civilian aircraft).  I tried a couple nights ago but between the time I 
> started my preflight and was ready to climb in for the start the weather went 
> from beautiful moon-light skies to overcast.   And I'm not slow! 
>  
> Last night was perfect.  Skies mostly clear and light and variable surface 
> winds.At around 10pm on this Saturday evening the radio traffic on tower 
> frequency was very light.My airport destination on the eastern plains of 
> Colorado was approx 55 N.miles at 101 degrees Mag Heading.   It was very 
> smooth and found I had a 20mph tailwind at about 2000agl.  The skies seemed 
> to belong to me with almost no air traffic to be seen.It seemed there was 
> plenty of highway traffic far off into the distance.I had the desire to 
> keep flying far into the night and would've if I could only tune into AM 
> radio to keep me company.
>  
> Nearing my destination I keyed 122.9 a few times and the runway lights 
> illuminated.  Coming overhead I could see the nearby Wendy's - convenience 
> store and trinket shop complex was already closed but there was another 
> convience store - gas station open across the street.   Descending into the 
> pattern I could see my moonshine shadow on the empty fields below.  I greased 
> the landing, as usual,  but at the ramp I could find no tiedown ropes or 
> chains whatsoever!   I taxied around in circles looking but found none.  
> With the lack of surface winds and apparent stable weather I decided I could 
> chance it without tying-down.  I parked next to the the only other aircraft 
> on the ramp which was chained down.  HIs windscreen was covered with dew and 
> I wondered if that would happen to my little bird.   It was approaching 
> midnight.
>  
> I walked that 1/2mile in the cold darkness to the convenience store, bought 
> goodies and coffee and headed back.   As I walked along the road some 
> country-guy stopped to offer me a ride in his pickup truck but I told him 
> "I'm just going over to the airport", pointing. 
>  
> I climbed aboard, settled things in, fired it up and continued.I could 
> kiss my motor as it runs so nicely.Taxiing toward a place for runup I 
> passed a tiedown spot with chains.  Curse.  I was concerned about having 
> enough runway to get off so on the roll I gave it 10 degrees of flaps as the 
> book suggests.   My cup of coffee was parked between my legs.  My plane 
> (bluebird) floated off nicely and climbed out over the dark treeless 
> countryside.   Turning left toward home I passed a truck-packed truck-stop 
> after a mile.   I broke out the sandwich and enjoyed the ride and view, 
> steering with my rudder pedals.
>  
> I  kept it a lower altitude to avoid the winds aloft.   I practiced some 
> instrument flying and may as well have been in a simulator as it was so 
> smooth.I passed by some car with headlights on in the middle of a large 
> field and wondered what was going on there.  
>  
> Fast-forward,  arrived at my destination, squeeked it on again made the first 
> turnoff onto the ramp and my nearby parking spot.  The tower didn't even 
> bother to say 'taxi to parking this frequency'.I forgot to say 'goodnight 
> tower' but maybe that would've made them sleepy.
>  
> I'll go somewhere else next time the moon comes around.  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
>   
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KR> landing gear

[joemals...@charter.net]

I would like to cut the main bar and use it for the diehl length of fiberglass 
springs.
I would buy the mounting brackets to the back side of the wing and also buy the
brackets to mount the wheel to the spring. Can this be done or is the steel too
heavy verse the fiber glass with all the hardware.

Joe.

 Patrick and Robin Russo  wrote: 
> Joe
> Are you asking if you could use the spring bar in place of the Diehl glass 
> springs?. If so are you planning on cutting them to Diehl Lenght? Making 
> your own mounting and axle brackets? Or, simply moving the bar to the rear 
> of the main spar? That begs other questions such as control stick location! 
> It is difficult to comment here unless you are more specific as to your 
> intent.You are aware that you do have to move the main wheels rearward to 
> adapt to tri-gear, are you not?
> Pat
> From: 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 12:21 PM
> Subject: KR> landing gear
> 
> 
> > hello kr2 builders,
> >
> > I have a question. I am building a kr2. It is in the boat stage and I have 
> > removed
> > the retractable landing gear. I want to convert to tricycle and wonder if 
> > I could
> > use the metal bar instead of buying the legs from diehl?.
> >
> > Thanks Joe.
> >
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> 
> 
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KR> Landing gear idea

[DAN INA GLANDT]

A friend of mine who is 84 or so and flew recon P-38's in WWII was over looking 
at my project the other day and we got to talking about the landing gear.  
(taildragger).  I mentioned that I had thought about replacing the composite 
gear with a taller aluminum gear, but since the wing is built, etc. and 
concerns about forward visibility,   I had dropped the idea for now.  He had 
this idea and I wonder if anyone has tried it or talked about it.   Imagine you 
cut off the bottom part of a Grove al gear say 3 or 4 inches above the bend 
from vertical where the axle bolts on.  Imagine a sleeve that is welded to the 
al part that slips over the composite part and is bolted and floxed on using 
the original holes.  The sleeve is made thick enough at the leading and 
trailing edges to be shaped to a good aerodynamic form.  I can visualize that 
it would be easier to fair in with wheel pants, etc.  
Question :  The composite gear is bolted and floxed to the alum brackets.  I 
suspect it would be a bugger to remove, especially through a landing light 
hole.  Is there a process for removing them?
My friend is in the process of building a plane of his own design that 
basically uses a morphed VP-1 fuselage mated to some morphed KR-2 wings.  
Dan   

KR> Flying last-night with the full-moon

[ttcse/Tom]

I went up last night to take log some full-moon time.   I haven't done night 
flying in many years and can't remember ever flying with a full-moon (in a 
civilian aircraft).  I tried a couple nights ago but between the time I started 
my preflight and was ready to climb in for the start the weather went from 
beautiful moon-light skies to overcast.   And I'm not slow! 
 
Last night was perfect.  Skies mostly clear and light and variable surface 
winds.    At around 10pm on this Saturday evening the radio traffic on tower 
frequency was very light.My airport destination on the eastern plains of 
Colorado was approx 55 N.miles at 101 degrees Mag Heading.   It was very smooth 
and found I had a 20mph tailwind at about 2000agl.  The skies seemed to belong 
to me with almost no air traffic to be seen.    It seemed there was plenty of 
highway traffic far off into the distance.    I had the desire to keep flying 
far into the night and would've if I could only tune into AM radio to keep me 
company.
 
Nearing my destination I keyed 122.9 a few times and the runway lights 
illuminated.  Coming overhead I could see the nearby Wendy's - convenience 
store and trinket shop complex was already closed but there was another 
convience store - gas station open across the street.   Descending into the 
pattern I could see my moonshine shadow on the empty fields below.  I greased 
the landing, as usual,  but at the ramp I could find no tiedown ropes or chains 
whatsoever!   I taxied around in circles looking but found none.  With the 
lack of surface winds and apparent stable weather I decided I could chance it 
without tying-down.  I parked next to the the only other aircraft on the ramp 
which was chained down.  HIs windscreen was covered with dew and I wondered if 
that would happen to my little bird.   It was approaching midnight.
 
I walked that 1/2mile in the cold darkness to the convenience store, bought 
goodies and coffee and headed back.   As I walked along the road some 
country-guy stopped to offer me a ride in his pickup truck but I told him "I'm 
just going over to the airport", pointing. 
 
I climbed aboard, settled things in, fired it up and continued.    I could kiss 
my motor as it runs so nicely.    Taxiing toward a place for runup I passed a 
tiedown spot with chains.  Curse.  I was concerned about having enough runway 
to get off so on the roll I gave it 10 degrees of flaps as the book suggests.   
My cup of coffee was parked between my legs.  My plane (bluebird) floated off 
nicely and climbed out over the dark treeless countryside.   Turning left 
toward home I passed a truck-packed truck-stop after a mile.   I broke out the 
sandwich and enjoyed the ride and view, steering with my rudder pedals.
 
I  kept it a lower altitude to avoid the winds aloft.   I practiced some 
instrument flying and may as well have been in a simulator as it was so smooth. 
   I passed by some car with headlights on in the middle of a large field and 
wondered what was going on there.  
 
Fast-forward,  arrived at my destination, squeeked it on again made the first 
turnoff onto the ramp and my nearby parking spot.  The tower didn't even bother 
to say 'taxi to parking this frequency'.    I forgot to say 'goodnight tower' 
but maybe that would've made them sleepy.
 
I'll go somewhere else next time the moon comes around.  
 
 
 
 

KR> alternator

[airgu...@comcast.net]

Has anyone on this net hung an automotive style alternator on a VW. I'm 
thinking of changing my prop extention with a belt grove and hanging an 
alternator on the front. 

Paul OReilly 
KR2 Stretched 
N7970K 
Derry, NH 

KR> progress

[Bob Buzby]

so Beautiful...you have set me to dreaming...Thank You for the post...

> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 20:01:20 +
> From: rkp...@comcast.net
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: KR> progress
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Everyone, 
> 
>  Today I got my nerve up to start cutting on the panel.Before long I realized 
> I made a mistake on the 3 1/8" cut outs, I placed them to close to each 
> other.So to fix the problem I turned the two on the bottom into 2 1/4" holes. 
> One very important thing to remember when building  a Kr, it's not messed up 
> until you can't fix it. 
> 
> Robert Pesak 
> 
> Hermitage, Tn. 
> 
> http://photobucket.com/robertskrs 
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KR> landing gear

[Patrick and Robin Russo]

Joe
Are you asking if you could use the spring bar in place of the Diehl glass 
springs?. If so are you planning on cutting them to Diehl Lenght? Making 
your own mounting and axle brackets? Or, simply moving the bar to the rear 
of the main spar? That begs other questions such as control stick location! 
It is difficult to comment here unless you are more specific as to your 
intent.You are aware that you do have to move the main wheels rearward to 
adapt to tri-gear, are you not?
Pat
From: 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2010 12:21 PM
Subject: KR> landing gear


> hello kr2 builders,
>
> I have a question. I am building a kr2. It is in the boat stage and I have 
> removed
> the retractable landing gear. I want to convert to tricycle and wonder if 
> I could
> use the metal bar instead of buying the legs from diehl?.
>
> Thanks Joe.
>
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> 

KR> landing gear

[I FLY KRs]

Hello Joe,

Yes, you could feasibly make them fixed.  The down side is you still do not
have much in the way of ground clearance.  The Diehl gear will give you a
bit more clearance for the prop as well as increasing your angle of attack
for 3 point landings.  It is still not quite high enough for a full stall 3
point but it is better than the stock gear.  Just something to consider.

Regards,
Steve

steve.glo...@nvaero.com
www.nvaero.com

-Original Message-

I want to convert to tricycle and wonder if I could
use the metal bar instead of buying the legs from diehl?. 

KR> landing gear

[joemals...@charter.net]

hello kr2 builders,

I have a question. I am building a kr2. It is in the boat stage and I have 
removed
the retractable landing gear. I want to convert to tricycle and wonder if I 
could
use the metal bar instead of buying the legs from diehl?. 

Thanks Joe.

KR> more totally uncalled for trash talk on KRnet

[Joe. E. Wallace]

AMEN..   and that isn't religious, just an indication that I fully agree.  
I bought one of the very first kits that Ken put out  I believe 007... I 
also purchased the original prop hub that he had experimented with on the 
original KR 1.  I met him and bought the kit in the original factory and toured 
the facility.  The pleasure of meeting Jeanette and the girls at an early 
age  Tho' I didn't continue with the building of that KR, I have kept 
intouch with the group.  I throughly enjoy and learn so much from this site 
that I will continue, but need info that is to the subject and experiences of 
trial and errors that I may learn more...   The occasional comment that 
strays...   I can put up with...  but the endless diatribe SUCKS  Sorry, 
but for the good of the total effort STICK TO THE SUBJECT PLEASE...  

Joe. E. Wallace
jwallace...@gmail.com



On Oct 24, 2010, at 7:44 AM, Mark Langford wrote:

> 
> Ok, here's another example of a totally uncalled for comment that has no 
> place on KRnet.  

KR> more totally uncalled for trash talk on KRnet

[Mark Langford]

James Ferris wrote:

> OH BOY!!! He has a Wireless BLACKBERRY, Does he also have CHIGGERS

Ok, here's another example of a totally uncalled for comment that has no 
place on KRnet.  First off,  this is a senseless flame aimed at one guy that 
shouldn't even been sent to the "target", much less 750 people who are here 
to learn and teach about building or flying KRs, or at least something to do 
with aircraft.  Secondly, folks who use iPhones and Blackberrys have no 
control over that line added to the bottom of their messages, as do many 
other folks with "free" or cheap email systems. And third, you just quoted 
the ENTIRE several hundred page digest back to 750 people.  Just to make it 
official, it won't take much more to unsubscribe you from the list 
permenantly.  I'VE JUST ABOUT HAD IT WITH THIS KIND OF STUFF!

I should go on and write the two pages that's been floating around in my 
head for the last two days, but I have way too much to do today to waste 
such nice weather writing it right now.  And I sent this to the whole list 
to put you ALL on notice that I'm sick and tired of the way you people treat 
each other...

Mark Langford
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
website at http://www.N56ML.com

KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 352, Issue 296

[James Ferris]

OH BOY!!! He has a Wireless BLACKBERRY, Does he also have CHIGGERS 



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From: "p_mu...@sbcglobal.net" 
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Sat, October 23, 2010 10:13:39 PM
Subject: KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 352, Issue 296

Amen! This a KR forum, I'm begging you guys!
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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  1. RE:  Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace (John Martindale)
  2. RE:  Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace (Craig Williams)
  3. RE:  Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace (Hall, Rodney CTR NNSY, C210)
  4. Re:  Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace (Seibert Family)
  5.  Installing a BRS parachute (Craig Williams)
  6. Re:  Installing a BRS parachute (Larry Flesner)
  7.  Fw: Cubbing (Mark Langford)


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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:41:45 +1100
From: "John Martindale" 
Subject: RE: KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace
To: "'KRnet'" 
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Piss off mate and the same to those who want to install drop tanks.



John Martindale

29 Jane Circuit

Toormina NSW 2452

AUSTRALIA



ph: 61 2 6658 4767

mobile: 0403 432179

email: john_martind...@bigpond.com

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From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Charles Burkholder
Sent: Wednesday, 20 October 2010 9:54 AM
To: KRnet
Subject: KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace
















                  
                  
                  
                  




                                God's Grace

                                What is mentioned here appears to be a
shame, but the message is very true. I hope you are all blessed by this
story. I wonder how many people will delete this without reading it because
of the title.

                                There once was a man named George Thomas, a
pastor in a small New England town. One Easter Sunday morning, he came to
the Church carrying a rusty, bent, old bird cage and set it by the pulpit.
Eyebrows were raised and as if in response, Pastor Thomas began to speak . .
. 
                                
                                "I was walking through town yesterday when I
saw a young boy coming toward me swinging this bird cage. On the bottom of
the cage were three little wild birds, shivering with cold and fright.
                                
                                I stopped the lad and asked, "What do you
have there, son?"
                                
                                "Just some old birds," came the reply.

                                "What are you going to do with them?" I
asked.                            

                                "Take 'em home and have fun with 'em," he
answered. "I'm gonna tease 'em and pull out their feathers to make 'em
fight. I'm gonna have a real good time."

                                "But you'll get tired of those birds sooner
or later. What will you do then?"
                                
                                "Oh, I've got some cats," said the little
boy. "They like birds. I'll take 'em to them."

                                The pastor was silent for a moment. "How
much do you want for those birds, son?"

                                "Huh?! Why, you don't want them birds,
mister. They're just plain old field birds. They don't sing. They ain't even
pretty!"

                                "How much?" the pastor asked again.
                                
                                The boy sized up the pastor as if he were
crazy and said,"Ten dollars?"
                                
                                The pastor reached in his pocket and took
out a ten dollar bill. He placed it in the boy's hand. In a flash, the boy
was gone. The pastor picked up the cage and gently carried it to the end of
the alley where there was a tree and a grassy spot. Setting the cage down,
he opened the door, and by softly tapping the bars, persuaded the birds out,
setting them free.

                         

KR> Exhaust headres

[gene timpson]

--- On Sat, 10/23/10, mbz...@comcast.net  wrote:

> From: mbz...@comcast.net 
> Subject: KR> Exhaust headres

Here are a few pieces of info for consideration. There is an STC'ed tuned 
exhaust system for 172's that gives about 8% more power. I've seen it installed 
on AC set up for floats to help with the increased gross weight. 

http://www.piteraq.dk/flight/exhaust.html Has alot of info for the design of a 
tuned system as well as http://www.piteraq.dk/flight/muffler.html for the 
silent muffler to knock down alot of dB's.

I've been working on a friend's plane for a little over 5 years which is now 
flying. It's not a KR but it's great to learn on someone else's dime. 

http://elginwells.com/Pages/Starjammer%20progress%20pix.html The next to the 
last pic is a great shot of the tuned headers and the mufflers. The noise 
reduction has been quite good even w/o the correct roving in the mufflers which 
should be corrected this week. This is a firebreathing monster which easily 
does manuvers most of us can't imagine and has been fun to work on. Take a look 
around Elgin's site to celebrate the joys and freedom of experimental A/C

Gene Timson
gtme...@yahoo.com

> On cars, headers accounted for up to 5% increase in horse
> power. What is the reason 
> why the same can not be true for aircraft conversions? I
> guess at cruise the exhaust gases are efficiently 
> evacuated and maybe headers will not give much of an
> increase in hp. But still I think it would be a benefit 
> for the weight at take-off and climb. And also would
> increase the smoothness of the engine. 
> Looking at the exhaust examples, I wonder if the exhaust
> really is tuned for the engine, or can the back-pressure 
> be smoothed out. 
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