KR> BRS vs Bean Field
"We'd rather die than suffer the ignominy of helplessly floating down to earth under a canopy of shame." as opposed to a row of flattened corn of shame? lol I have a friend who built a gorgeous Zenith 701. He was visiting the mid west with it where he is from when a screwdriver left inside by someone else unbeknownst to him, slid forward and jammed the controls under his seat. he fought it while spiraling so steep that he could see dirt between the corn. broke it free and pulled out just in time to level out into a crash landing in the corn. could have used a BRS right there! instead he built another 701 in record time. I know you're kidding there, but I would consider it a last resort but when used, a canopy of "modern safety equipment". As to an autopilot, I installed one in my Avid, flew it 3000mi cross country, and then sold it. Seemed to make me a worse pilot and less in touch with the plane. As to Mark's 27 forced landings, well, wow. But then again he has lots (!) of hours so how many hours between forced landings? and these are *experimental* planes, made to learn with. I'll wait until others finish adding to the BRS conversation before mentioning my planned ejection seat, halon systems, emergency decel rocket prop spinner, nascar air conditioned fire suit, and inflatable emergency flotation system (kidding!)
KR> BRS vs Bean Field
As to Mark's 27 forced landings, Mark is a great pilot. ejection seat, halon systems, emergency decel rocket prop spinner, nascar air conditioned fire suit, and inflatable emergency flotation system (kidding!) Some interesting ideas. Joe Nunley?CW2 US Army RetiredBaker JROTC Instructor?Baker Florida? Original message From: Chris Prata via KRnet List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: 07/29/2015 9:39 PM (GMT-06:00) To: KRnet Cc: Chris Prata Subject: Re: KR> BRS vs Bean Field "We'd rather die than suffer the ignominy of helplessly floating down to earth under a canopy of shame." As to Mark's 27 forced landings, well, wow. But then again he has lots (!) of hours so how many hours between forced landings? and these are *experimental* planes, made to learn with. I'll wait until others finish adding to the BRS conversation before mentioning my planned ejection seat, halon systems, emergency decel rocket prop spinner, nascar air conditioned fire suit, and inflatable emergency?
KR> KR foam?
Bill Masquelier wrote: > I have run out of the foam that came with my partially completed KR2 and need to get some more > Can anyone tell me what the specific foam type is and a good source? It is indeed 2 pound / cubic foot urethane foam, available from Wicks and AS, and perhaps even you local building insulator. Florist foam may be the same thing, but you won't know unless you ask. It comes in various colors...yellow, brown, pink, maybe even green... Mark Langford ML at N56ML.com http://www.n56ml.com
KR> BRS vs Bean Field
The best reason in my opinion for a BRS is in response to catastrophic airframe failure such as the wings calapsing or dynamic resonance, which we don't historicly have happen with KR's. A control failure would also justify a BRS. Anytime I can fly the airplane to the ground under control I would do it. The military taught us to always have an emergency landing spot in case of an emergency. ?Increase altitude to put a usable landing site in glide distance. ?All this becaue Helicopters don't have ejection seats. Thanks for allowing me to share.? Joe Nunley?CW2 US Army RetiredBaker JROTC Instructor?Baker Florida?
KR> KR foam?
Thanks Mark I will give that a shot Bill > Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 22:15:30 -0500 > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> KR foam? > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > CC: ml at n56ml.com > > Bill Masquelier wrote: > > > I have run out of the foam that came with my partially completed KR2 > and need to get some more > > Can anyone tell me what the specific foam type is and a good source? > > It is indeed 2 pound / cubic foot urethane foam, available from Wicks > and AS, and perhaps even you local building insulator. Florist foam > may be the same thing, but you won't know unless you ask. It comes in > various colors...yellow, brown, pink, maybe even green... > > Mark Langford > ML at N56ML.com > http://www.n56ml.com > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options
KR> KR foam?
I have run out of the foam that came with my partially completed KR2 and need to get some more Can anyone tell me what the specific foam type is and a good source? The manual says that it is "urethane foam" but I don't believe that it is correct, I am looking for the "flourist" type foam (geen stuff) Thanks Bill Masquelier
KR> BRS vs Bean Field
Yeah, exactly. My thoughts are that I'd rather hit anything at 5mph than at 60. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original message From: Dave Acklam via KRnet Date:07/29/2015 7:09 PM (GMT-05:00) To: KRnet Cc: Dave Acklam Subject: Re: KR> BRS vs Bean Field I have one BRS equipped plane - a Fisher ultralight At least with that install, if I ever have to 'pull it' the BRS will likely destroy the airframe in the process of getting me down safely... The flip side is that if your flying area is devoid of survivable emergency spots, it beats the hell out of crashing into a forest or skyscraper On Jul 29, 2015 3:15 PM, "Mike Stirewalt via KRnet" wrote: > Chris said, > > > "if nothing else, the peace of mind would seem worth it." > > It sure wouldn't contribute to _my_ peace of mind. I would be annoyed > every time I got in the plane and noted I had devoted valuable space to > something fairly bulky that requires repacking and inspection > periodically and costs quite a bit of money to buy and maintain. That > money would, in my case, be a lot better spent on something like an > autopilot or some other luxury. There's also that lurking thought in the > back of my mind that the thing wouldn't work if I ever _did_ try and use > it. Which I wouldn't. Pushing the button would make me feel like a big > weenie. > > I've gotta admit a BRS, if it wasn't iced up like the rest of the plane, > might have saved Ken Rand's life in the predicament he was in but how > often does that happen? I think only Ken would fly into an ice storm > with no fuel left - 'course he wasn't expecting the ice. There was no > salvaging that situation other than with a BRS so clearly, in such an > extreme situation, a BRS might have saved the day (again, if it wasn't > frozen up like a popsicle). > > The best argument against carrying a "plane chute" though is simply > looking at the record of Langford's forced landings. My math is probably > off, but a quick search of the records shows Mark has had 27 forced > landings and never gotten a scratch. He usually doesn't even mess up the > plane. With a parachute, once you push the button you're liable to land > in a lake or on top of someone's roof. In case of engine failure, if you > fly the plane down instead of turning it over to the fickle finger of > wherever the wind is blowing that day, the records show you almost always > make it to a runway or a road or a golf course. Catastrophic structural > failure is another matter, but those don't seem to happen with KR's > (seats breaking don't count). > > So, as a practical matter a plane parachute for a KR isn't a good idea. > As a "peace of mind" issue, that may work for some people but it wouldn't > work for me. I wouldn't trust the thing to actually work, plus I > wouldn't be able to bring myself to push the button (or yank the lanyard > or however those things work). KR flyers are not weenies. We'd rather > die than suffer the ignominy of helplessly floating down to earth under a > canopy of shame. But who am I to speak for all KR flyers? Let's take a > poll. > > Big WeenieNot a Big Weenie > > > > > > > > Mike > KSEE > > > > > > Old School Yearbook Pics > View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Search by School & Year. Look Now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/55b950343f1f050345a67st02vuc > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options > ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> KR2 FOR SALE
It is with a heavy heart that I write this letter. My health has not allowed me to work on my plane. I won't be able to pass my medical again. As we all have, I have more invested than I well ever get out of my project. I have shut down my web site. So if you want pictures e-mail me at missile.mouse at hotmail.com please only serious inquires. I have a very straight and solid KR2 boat, and most of the material to complete it. (no engine and no landing gear) Serial numbered plans, KR2 and KR2S. Full size drawings of the AS 5046 wing. All KR fiberglass-forward deck- canopy and frame- turtedeck and cowling. Wing spars; waf; foam; fiberglass; peel ply; lots of hardware.. Call 903-815-1913 leave message I will call you back. I don't all ways check e-mail every day. Asking 4,000 I have lots of stuff not listed. Thanks Jim Ellison Sherman,Texas
KR> BRS vs Bean Field
I have one BRS equipped plane - a Fisher ultralight At least with that install, if I ever have to 'pull it' the BRS will likely destroy the airframe in the process of getting me down safely... The flip side is that if your flying area is devoid of survivable emergency spots, it beats the hell out of crashing into a forest or skyscraper On Jul 29, 2015 3:15 PM, "Mike Stirewalt via KRnet" wrote: > Chris said, > > > "if nothing else, the peace of mind would seem worth it." > > It sure wouldn't contribute to _my_ peace of mind. I would be annoyed > every time I got in the plane and noted I had devoted valuable space to > something fairly bulky that requires repacking and inspection > periodically and costs quite a bit of money to buy and maintain. That > money would, in my case, be a lot better spent on something like an > autopilot or some other luxury. There's also that lurking thought in the > back of my mind that the thing wouldn't work if I ever _did_ try and use > it. Which I wouldn't. Pushing the button would make me feel like a big > weenie. > > I've gotta admit a BRS, if it wasn't iced up like the rest of the plane, > might have saved Ken Rand's life in the predicament he was in but how > often does that happen? I think only Ken would fly into an ice storm > with no fuel left - 'course he wasn't expecting the ice. There was no > salvaging that situation other than with a BRS so clearly, in such an > extreme situation, a BRS might have saved the day (again, if it wasn't > frozen up like a popsicle). > > The best argument against carrying a "plane chute" though is simply > looking at the record of Langford's forced landings. My math is probably > off, but a quick search of the records shows Mark has had 27 forced > landings and never gotten a scratch. He usually doesn't even mess up the > plane. With a parachute, once you push the button you're liable to land > in a lake or on top of someone's roof. In case of engine failure, if you > fly the plane down instead of turning it over to the fickle finger of > wherever the wind is blowing that day, the records show you almost always > make it to a runway or a road or a golf course. Catastrophic structural > failure is another matter, but those don't seem to happen with KR's > (seats breaking don't count). > > So, as a practical matter a plane parachute for a KR isn't a good idea. > As a "peace of mind" issue, that may work for some people but it wouldn't > work for me. I wouldn't trust the thing to actually work, plus I > wouldn't be able to bring myself to push the button (or yank the lanyard > or however those things work). KR flyers are not weenies. We'd rather > die than suffer the ignominy of helplessly floating down to earth under a > canopy of shame. But who am I to speak for all KR flyers? Let's take a > poll. > > Big WeenieNot a Big Weenie > > > > > > > > Mike > KSEE > > > > > > Old School Yearbook Pics > View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Search by School & Year. Look Now! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/55b950343f1f050345a67st02vuc > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options >
KR> BRS vs Bean Field
Chris said, > "if nothing else, the peace of mind would seem worth it." It sure wouldn't contribute to _my_ peace of mind. I would be annoyed every time I got in the plane and noted I had devoted valuable space to something fairly bulky that requires repacking and inspection periodically and costs quite a bit of money to buy and maintain. That money would, in my case, be a lot better spent on something like an autopilot or some other luxury. There's also that lurking thought in the back of my mind that the thing wouldn't work if I ever _did_ try and use it. Which I wouldn't. Pushing the button would make me feel like a big weenie. I've gotta admit a BRS, if it wasn't iced up like the rest of the plane, might have saved Ken Rand's life in the predicament he was in but how often does that happen? I think only Ken would fly into an ice storm with no fuel left - 'course he wasn't expecting the ice. There was no salvaging that situation other than with a BRS so clearly, in such an extreme situation, a BRS might have saved the day (again, if it wasn't frozen up like a popsicle). The best argument against carrying a "plane chute" though is simply looking at the record of Langford's forced landings. My math is probably off, but a quick search of the records shows Mark has had 27 forced landings and never gotten a scratch. He usually doesn't even mess up the plane. With a parachute, once you push the button you're liable to land in a lake or on top of someone's roof. In case of engine failure, if you fly the plane down instead of turning it over to the fickle finger of wherever the wind is blowing that day, the records show you almost always make it to a runway or a road or a golf course. Catastrophic structural failure is another matter, but those don't seem to happen with KR's (seats breaking don't count). So, as a practical matter a plane parachute for a KR isn't a good idea. As a "peace of mind" issue, that may work for some people but it wouldn't work for me. I wouldn't trust the thing to actually work, plus I wouldn't be able to bring myself to push the button (or yank the lanyard or however those things work). KR flyers are not weenies. We'd rather die than suffer the ignominy of helplessly floating down to earth under a canopy of shame. But who am I to speak for all KR flyers? Let's take a poll. Big WeenieNot a Big Weenie Mike KSEE Old School Yearbook Pics View Class Yearbooks Online Free. Search by School & Year. Look Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/55b950343f1f050345a67st02vuc
KR> Just 37 Days now...
Paul, Sorry I cannot answer that question; I don't have any access to last year's records. Maybe Steve G? JB -Original Message- From: KRnet On Behalf Of Paul Visk via KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Just 37 Days now... I'm curious, are we on track compared to last year at this time for sign ups? Paul ViskBelleville Il.618-406-4705Fly Now" the Movie Trailer: https://youtu.be/AkbCmDfHYak
KR> Just 37 Days now...
I'm curious, are we on track compared to last year at this time for sign ups? Paul ViskBelleville Il.618-406-4705Fly Now" the Movie Trailer: https://youtu.be/AkbCmDfHYak Original message From: John Bouyea via KRnet List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: 07/28/2015 7:00 PM (GMT-06:00) To: KRnet Cc: John Bouyea Subject: KR> Just 37 Days now... To the 2015 Gathering! Welcome to Rodger Nicols & Roger Bulla, our latest additions to the list? ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> Fuel tank baffles
>.the tank is the standard tank from either rr or >nvaero...fiberglass tank with a loose top that you bond dow. the foam I >was referring to is available through various sources...just cubes that you >throw in the tank. +++ I seem to recall a "fire retardant" foam or some substance that you fill the tank with that helps contain the fuel in case of a tank breakup but I know nothing about it. Others can chime in. Seems like it is used in tanks on race cars, boats, etc.. You might try looking on race sites for more info. Or, if the tank is assessable, you could just install foam baffle too. Just make sure you don't build in any air traps, i.e., cut holes in the very top of the baffles for air to escape all sections of the tank when filling. Larry Flesner
KR> Fuel tank baffles
Sorry about that...it was included with the partially complete fuselage...the tank is the standard tank from either rr or nvaero...fiberglass tank with a loose top that you bond dow. the foam I was referring to is available through various sources...just cubes that you throw in the tank. https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/ https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/parts-for-sale
KR> Fuel tank baffles
>The instructions for my fiberglass fuel tank say to install the >baffles...either it didn't come with baffles or they must have been lost >along the line somewhere. If you have purchased a fuel tank kit what did >the baffles look like and what were they made of? I am considering foam >baffles...any comments with that? + Seeing no replys to your question I'll throw something out. The statement saying " I received a tank with no baffles doesn't give us much to go on." It would help to have more info on the tank. Where did you purchase the tank? Is it sealed or can you get to the internal part of the tank? What type of resin was used to construct the tank? Does the tank have fittings attached? Size of tank and where will it be located in the KR? Foam baffles will work if you can incase them in glass and resin. I built my tanks in the outboard wing panels using foam and glass for the entire tank, including baffles. Larry Flesner
KR> brs vs bean field option
There is a KR on Oz with a BRS. I haven't seen it up close, but it belonged to Barry Kruyssen. I know he had it for sale a while back. Not sure where it is now. Take a look at http://www.athertonairport.com.au/kr2/ Cheers, Tony On 29 July 2015 at 02:12, Chris Prata via KRnet wrote: > I live in the northeast (althouh may move west eventually) . we have much > less emergency landing topography than almost anywhere else > > I wonder if anyone has installed a BRS system. they have those which are > internal and flush (invisible) > > the downsides of course in a KR is the loss of cargo area, and adding > weight behind the CG. Although maybe it would be possible to address both > issues with front deck installation... (where the fuel tank used to be in > the original design) > > if nothing else, the peace of mind would seem worth it. > > > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options >
