KR> Attach Wood firewall to frame

[Paul Visk]

?That should have said "good clamp design". You do want even pressure over the 
entire firewall. With were the firewall is there is no obvious place to clamp 
it down. ?
I have seen pictures of builders shaving a little off the front of the frame 
with a router to get a perfect glue joint with the fire wall.

You always want to let the epoxy soak into both surfaces before lightly 
clamping down.?

And if you get squeeze out, you know your joint is not starved
Paul Visk?Belleville IL ?618 406 4705
Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4

 Original message 
From: Larry Flesner via KRnet  
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 09/08/2016  6:56 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: KRnet  
Cc: Larry Flesner  
Subject: Re: KR> Attach Wood firewall to frame 


What is a "pic limping" design?? Also,? when using epoxy you don't?Larry

KR> ENOUGH!!!!!! Rules enclosed....again

[Nerobro]

I did read the rules, a couple years ago when I signed up.  And I've
reviewed them every so often.  I don't post much because.. well.. you
guys have built big planes.  Mine are all under 7' wingspan.  That
said, reviewing my 19 posts, the majority of them are substantive.
I've made it a point to post well here.

As for why I wasn't always deleting the rest of the thread the answer
should be clear, right here:
http://www.practicalalchemy.org/~nerobro/public/Pictures/Airplanes/Wherestheemailchain.jpg

I didn't see it, otherwise I would have removed it.  It's something I
do regularly.

I don't think you're mean.  I don't think you're out to be a jerk.  I
don't think you think the people on your mailing list are troglodytes.
Though I'm sure it feels like it sometimes.  I was the moderator on a
message board for a couple years, I genuinely feel your pain.  Through
some consistent work, I was able to eventually get the community
mostly self policing.

Your own little blow up violated rule 11.  "11) Try not to take things
personally. We're all here to help each other. There are usually
several ways to take comments. Always try to pick the "nicest"
interpretation, rather than trying to read animousity into a post.
It's a lot easier to just ignore a snide comment and let it slide. Try
to avoid "having the last word"."

I don't think it's them ignoring you, I think in the most part, it's
ignorance.  They're not aware they're doing things to trigger you (and
others).  Alternatively, they don't know HOW to do it the way you want
them to.  And they've decided that they want to participate how they
can, versus exactly as you want.  Teaching people what they're doing
wrong is a game, and often takes several kinds of approach.  I offered
my help, as I do that sort of stuff professionally.  You don't need to
take it.  But in the long run, it might keep your blood pressure
lower.  Less stress means more time to work on your crazy birds.

*shrugs*  It's your playground though.  Rule as you see fit.

If you'd like a hand doing things in a more kind way, my offer stands.
If not, that's fine too.   I'll continue my record of posting rare,
substantive posts, and what I hope are intelligent questions.  I'll be
sure to trim the posts too.

-Nero


On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Mark Langford via KRnet
 wrote:
> NeroBro (whoever that is) wrote:
>
> email client to do this, that's great, but if you already know HOW, WHY
> don't you trim your posts?
>

KR> ENOUGH!!!!!! Rules enclosed....again

[Mark Wegmet]

Mark L wrote:

So you are asking for a description of WHY we should trim posts?  Thanks for
DJ for thoroughly answering that already for me, but if you are proposing to
write up a description of the issue, I did that about  25 years ago, and
it's posted at http://www.krnet.org/info.html.  That link is some of the
junk that appears multiple times in emails where nobody deletes the previous
posts..it's at the bottom of every post!

--

For this specific bunch of posts: anyone on the list knows this is one of
Mark L's hot buttons (understandably so), but EVERYONE forgot the original
issue. The original poster seeking Poll responses (Paul V) specifically said
to respond to him OFF NET. Many ignored or don't know how to do that even
though Paul clearly put his contact info in the body of his e-mail along
with the instructions to put responses in the subject line.

Everyone on the list is either a pilot or a 'wanna be' pilot, so should be
accustomed to following instructions - if the controller tells you that you
are cleared for a straight in on rwy 21, you do that, not decide it is
inconvenient and land on 3 (we all know what happens there). So how about we
all agree to read and respond appropriately to communications on the net.

BTW, for the folks that need a reminder, if you don't pick up the sender's
e-mail in the body of the request, you can always "reply to all", delete
KRnet at list.krnet.org from the to line and it will leave the e-mail address
of the original sender. Try it.

JMHO.

Mark W
N952MW (res)


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KR> Attach Wood firewall to frame

[Elrod, Larry Ann Arbor]

Hi: Here is a new subject, how do you attach the wood firewall to the wood 
frame? Glue, small nails, screws need to know so I can get this part done.

Larry Elrod
Ypsilanti  MI.

Larry.Elrod at va.gov

KR> Attach Wood firewall to frame

[Larry Flesner]

At 03:39 PM 9/8/2016, you wrote:
>   Use T-88. Make sure you have a pic limping design. You want to 
> get good squeeze out all over the place. That is a very important joint Paul

+++

Paul,

What is a "pic limping" design?  Also,  when using epoxy you don't 
necessarily want a pressure joint that squeezes out "too much" of the glue.
Epoxy is a bit of a gap filling glue, unlike earlier glues that 
needed a super tight, 100 percent contact joint.  Prep the wood to 
get good glue
penetration and don't squeeze it all out before it can penetrate.

Larry Flesner

KR> Fuel gauges- senders

[Larry Flesner]

>
>EBay Item Number :  271963271721
>What about something like this. Its for water, but with plastics 
>these days It could be OK, anyone know about plastics?
>Phil
+

Phil,

Try that again.  That number came up empty.

Larry Flesner 

KR> KR Poll, last chance ENOUGH!!!!!!

[Joel LaRock]

Explain how you trim  on a cell phone
On Sep 8, 2016 2:40 PM, "Dj Merrill via KRnet"  wrote:

> On 09/08/2016 01:51 PM, Nerobro via KRnet wrote:
> > Anger isn't going to help.  People tune out when they start to see
> flames.
>
> I'm with Mark on this one.  It is incredibly frustrating to see people
> continually ignore his very simple request.
>
> Trim your replies.
>
> It is that simple.
>
> That means do not put your reply text at the top of the message and
> leave the entire message below it.
>
> Every single person that replied to his message before me did exactly
> opposite to what he is asking.
>
> Why?
>
> -Dj
>
>
> --
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87
> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
> Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
>
> ___
> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search.
> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org
> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change
> options
>

KR> KR Poll, last chance ENOUGH!!!!!!

[Phillip Hill]

FYI: This is important. Gmail automatically hides all the previous replies
for you. That's ok, click reply like you always do but then click the small
rectangle at the bottom of the reply box. This will show you all that has
gone before you. Press Ctrl-A to highlight everything in the box and type
 your reply. All that highlighted data will be replaced by what you type.

Phill Hill
Collinsville, IL

KR> ENOUGH!!!!!! Rules enclosed....again

[Mark Langford]

NeroBro (whoever that is) wrote:

 >>The nice way to do this would be to explain the problem with the
behavior he's seeing, and a step by step on how to fix it.
Mark, this is also me offering to write a nice reminder e-mail you can
send out every couple months.  What you sent out earlier, wasn't.<<
--
So you are asking for a description of WHY we should trim posts?  Thanks 
for DJ for thoroughly answering that already for me, but if you are 
proposing to write up a description of the issue, I did that about  25 
years ago, and it's posted at http://www.krnet.org/info.html.  That link 
is some of the junk that appears multiple times in emails where nobody 
deletes the previous posts..it's at the bottom of every post!

Every member is requested to read the rules when they join the list, and 
I remind the list every month or two (when I've reached my limit) to 
please go read the rules!  A few weeks ago I posted them direct to the 
list and asked that posters read and comply with them, and they didn't.

When people KNOW what the rules are and continue to ignore them, because 
they think the only reason to trim posts is "we should all trim up the 
e-mails to look good for others", the point has been completely missed.

This statement, and the fact that you are volunteering to write 
something that  already explains the issue with searching the archive, 
tells me that you STILL haven't read the rules.

If you are proposing to write a HOW-TO as to how you'd use your 
particular email client to do this, that's great, but if you already 
know HOW, WHY don't you trim your posts?

So if this stuff continues, here's how I'm going to deal with it.  Once 
I reach my limit with a particular repeat offender, I'm going to 
"moderate" him so that he can no longer post to the list.  He can read 
email, but he can't post questions or comments to the list.  This may 
last a month, it may be permanent, or I might simply unsubcribe you and 
be done with you.  So when you get a message that says your post was 
pending permission from the list admin, you'll know you've crossed the line.

For those who simply can't figure out how to make your email client 
reply to an email without carrying all the previous baggage with it, 
perhaps you'll be incentivized to spend a few minutes surfing the web to 
figure it out.

Yes, this will make running this list an even larger pain in the butt 
for me.  But those who flagrantly disregard the rules because they are 
too lazy to spend another few seconds to follow the rules will not be 
penalizing those who seek answers in the archive for years to come.

The beauty of this is that since you can no longer ask questions of the 
list, YOU will be searching the archive, and YOU will gain an immediate 
understanding of the issue.  Emailing me personally to answer your KR 
question will likely lead to me blocking your email to avoid the annoyance.

Yeah, I'm an unreasonable jerk.  For those who don't want to abide with 
the rules, it appears as though Doran Jaffras is starting his own list, 
so you guys can all bail together and live happily ever after on his new 
and improved list, without my overbearing supervision to hinder your 
freedom to spew forth whatever you please.  But I'm done letting this 
list get further and further out of control as people ignore the rules. 
The end result will be that KRnet will have less flotsam and jetsam 
floating around, the archive will gradually become somewhat easier to 
search.

Here are the rules again, for those who haven't seen them.  Please pay 
particular attention to number 2!

KRNetiquette

We have a few folks who feel compelled to comment on just about every 
post made, and I can only be thankful that all 600 of us don't do that, 
or we'd be wading through several thousand emails a day! Please be 
considerate of your fellow KRNetHeads. A few of us would do well to heed 
the following advice:

1) Think long and hard before you publicly flame somebody on this list. 
This list may not be like others you've been on. We don't do that here, 
period. If you have a personal problem with another lister, you need to 
address it off the list and spare the rest of us your angst. If you 
disagree with something somebody else posted, you can disagree in a nice 
manner without getting all bent out of shape. Just point out your side 
of the discussion and let others be the judge. Public flaming and 
superfluous bad language will not be tolerated.

2) When replying to a post, delete everything except one or two key 
sentences from the previous post. It's really ridiculous to have to 
search thru 3 or 4 pages of stuff to find down at the bottom where some 
clown wrote "me too". Carrying all that useless baggage around from 
previous posts also gives people fits when searching the archives later, 
as they end up getting 10 hits for the same message.

3) Conversely, at least put SOMETHING in the post to remind us what 
you're replying to. A post like "yeah, 

KR> last chance ENOUGH!!!!!!

[Dj Merrill]

On 09/08/2016 04:42 PM, Nerobro wrote:
> Writing documentation like that is something I do, on a daily basis.
> That's why I offered to do it.


I'm happy to proofread and offer feedback if you want to tackle it.

-Dj

KR> last chance ENOUGH!!!!!!

[Dj Merrill]

On 09/08/2016 04:08 PM, Joel LaRock via KRnet wrote:
> Well put

Thanks, Joel.  I do appreciate the support.

Intending this as positive, constructive feedback, I did have to cringe
a bit though since you didn't trim any of the previous text (leaving the
entire message I sent in your reply), and you put your reply at the top,
which is exactly what I was saying not to do...  :-)

Guys and gals, can we put our collective minds together and come up with
a way to solve this issue?  What Mark is asking us to is very simple,
and I think we should be able to help the group to learn how to reply to
the messages properly.

-Dj

-- 
Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/

KR> last chance ENOUGH!!!!!!

[Dj Merrill]

On 09/08/2016 03:12 PM, Nerobro via KRnet wrote:
> So the
> only real justification I can see for it is "My e-mail looks nasty."


In the spirit of a healthy discussion, I'll toss in my observations.

The number one issue is searching.  If there are dozens of emails all
containing the same text (ie, the text being replied to that wasn't
properly trimmed), then search results turn up dozens of results that
are effectively all the same thing.  On a popular topic, you could get
pages and pages of search results, which makes finding the good bits
difficult at best.

The number two issue is putting the reply ABOVE the text is completely
illogical to the way our language is read.  We read from top to bottom.
Trimming the reply with the relevant text at the top with the reply
below it makes it very easy to read and keep context.  Remove the
relevant text and we have no context.  Put it at the bottom and you have
to read the bottom of the message, then scroll back to the top to get
the context.

For those of you that might be interested in this sort of thing, the
above advice also complies with RFC 1855 "Netiquette Guidelines" that
offer an overview of the proper way to interact on a mailing list.

One other good piece of advice from RFC 1855, "Do not blame the system
administrator for the behavior of the system users."  :-)


> I've noticed, that in general, people building airplanes aren't the
> most computer literate people.

You are entirely correct.  I see this as an opportunity for those that
are more computer literate to gently help educate those that aren't.  It
does require that people be willing to learn, and also be willing to
make the small amount of extra effort (such as your point about having
to click a button to see the extra text).

A lot of this is compounded by broken email clients which do the
opposite of good netiquette, ie. they start the reply at the top and
encourage people to make messy, hard-to-read emails.  Most email clients
offer the option of changing this behavior to put the reply text at the
bottom, which also requires a small amount of effort to learn and make
the change.

Well worth it in the long run, though.


-Dj


-- 
Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/

KR> last chance ENOUGH!!!!!!

[Nerobro]

Good Deal,

I'll work on it tonight.

-Nero

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Dj Merrill via KRnet
 wrote:
>
> I'm happy to proofread and offer feedback if you want to tackle it.
>
> -Dj
>

KR> last chance ENOUGH!!!!!!

[Nerobro]

Writing documentation like that is something I do, on a daily basis.
That's why I offered to do it.

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Dj Merrill via KRnet
 wrote:

KR> Attach Wood firewall to frame

[Paul Visk]

Use T-88. Make sure you have a pic limping design. You want to get good squeeze 
out all over the place. ?That is a very important joint


Paul Visk?Belleville IL ?618 406 4705
Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4

 Original message 
From: "Elrod, Larry  Ann Arbor via KRnet"  
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: 09/08/2016  2:05 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: krnet at list.krnet.org 
Cc: "Elrod, Larry  Ann Arbor"  
Subject: KR> Attach Wood firewall to frame 

?how do you attach the wood firewall to the wood frame? Glue,?

Larry Elrod

KR> Firewall

[rbaalman at cox.net]

 Phillip Hill via KRnet  wrote: 
> FYI: Searches work better if you know that any sheet metal less than
something like .010" is considered "foil".


I used fiberfrax and .002" foil.  The lower 10" is doubled where the fuel lines 
would be.  It was propane torch proof, so I know I can land  without the 
firewall structure ablaze.  The foil came in 24" width.  
Roger Baalman
rbaalman at cox.net

KR> last chance ENOUGH!!!!!!

[Joel LaRock]

Well put
On Sep 8, 2016 4:04 PM, "Dj Merrill via KRnet"  wrote:

> On 09/08/2016 03:12 PM, Nerobro via KRnet wrote:
> > So the
> > only real justification I can see for it is "My e-mail looks nasty."
>
>
> In the spirit of a healthy discussion, I'll toss in my observations.
>
> The number one issue is searching.  If there are dozens of emails all
> containing the same text (ie, the text being replied to that wasn't
> properly trimmed), then search results turn up dozens of results that
> are effectively all the same thing.  On a popular topic, you could get
> pages and pages of search results, which makes finding the good bits
> difficult at best.
>
> The number two issue is putting the reply ABOVE the text is completely
> illogical to the way our language is read.  We read from top to bottom.
> Trimming the reply with the relevant text at the top with the reply
> below it makes it very easy to read and keep context.  Remove the
> relevant text and we have no context.  Put it at the bottom and you have
> to read the bottom of the message, then scroll back to the top to get
> the context.
>
> For those of you that might be interested in this sort of thing, the
> above advice also complies with RFC 1855 "Netiquette Guidelines" that
> offer an overview of the proper way to interact on a mailing list.
>
> One other good piece of advice from RFC 1855, "Do not blame the system
> administrator for the behavior of the system users."  :-)
>
>
> > I've noticed, that in general, people building airplanes aren't the
> > most computer literate people.
>
> You are entirely correct.  I see this as an opportunity for those that
> are more computer literate to gently help educate those that aren't.  It
> does require that people be willing to learn, and also be willing to
> make the small amount of extra effort (such as your point about having
> to click a button to see the extra text).
>
> A lot of this is compounded by broken email clients which do the
> opposite of good netiquette, ie. they start the reply at the top and
> encourage people to make messy, hard-to-read emails.  Most email clients
> offer the option of changing this behavior to put the reply text at the
> bottom, which also requires a small amount of effort to learn and make
> the change.
>
> Well worth it in the long run, though.
>
>
> -Dj
>
>
> --
> Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87
> Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
> Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/
>
> ___
> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search.
> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org
> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change
> options
>

KR> KR Poll, last chance ENOUGH!!!!!!

[Dj Merrill]

On 09/08/2016 01:51 PM, Nerobro via KRnet wrote:
> Anger isn't going to help.  People tune out when they start to see flames.

I'm with Mark on this one.  It is incredibly frustrating to see people
continually ignore his very simple request.

Trim your replies.

It is that simple.

That means do not put your reply text at the top of the message and
leave the entire message below it.

Every single person that replied to his message before me did exactly
opposite to what he is asking.

Why?

-Dj


-- 
Dj Merrill - N1JOV - EAA Chapter 87
Sportsman 2+2 Builder #7118 N421DJ - http://deej.net/sportsman/
Glastar Flyer N866RH - http://deej.net/glastar/

KR> last chance ENOUGH!!!!!!

[Joel LaRock]

I will not answer to that ,I'm vet n ex bike $ .I say no more he's
probably a real nice guy, I like very likable guy buy many . again I say no
more
On Sep 8, 2016 2:55 PM, "Flesner via KRnet"  wrote:

> At 12:51 PM 9/8/2016, you wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>> Anger isn't going to help.  People tune out when they start to see flames.
>> -Nero
>> +++
>>
>
>
> They're really going to tune out when Mark starts hitting the "DELETE"
> button.for those that don't take the time to learn and follow directions.
>
> Mark's apparent anger is born of years of posters not reading / adhering
> to the rules.  Some are lucky that he can't reach their throat. :-)
>
> Larry Flesner
>
> ___
> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search.
> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org
> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change
> options
>

KR> Attach Wood firewall to frame

[Joel LaRock]

I would say t-88,but some of the guys here probably know something better
On Sep 8, 2016 3:06 PM, "Elrod, Larry Ann Arbor via KRnet" <
krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote:

> Hi: Here is a new subject, how do you attach the wood firewall to the wood
> frame? Glue, small nails, screws need to know so I can get this part done.
>
> Larry Elrod
> Ypsilanti  MI.
>
> Larry.Elrod at va.gov
>
> ___
> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search.
> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org
> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html
> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change
> options
>

KR> last chance ENOUGH!!!!!!

[Nerobro]

Mark's not seeing that "what he finds easy" isn't always easy for
others.  Like in my last reply, I'll note that to EVEN HAVE THE OPTION
to trim this reply, I needed to click an additional button to show me
the quoted text.

I've noticed, that in general, people building airplanes aren't the
most computer literate people.  If you look at the rarity of websites,
the lack of pictures, the infrequency of updates.  Perhaps it's a
reflection of the general age of pilots, but they just aren't the sort
of people who handle internet etiquette well.

This shows up on every aviation forum too.

Also building airplanes is an activity that is typically pursued by
those... shall we say.. are on the specturm?  And that causes them to
miss cues, and often the idea of being polite to someone else, just
doesn't even cross their mind.  Or, they can't wrap their head around
any other way of doing it.  (This is also what leads to interesting
planes, and design choices...  good engineering, good designs, good
art, often comes from very broken people.)

Yeah, we should all trim up the e-mails to look good for others.  Or
at least use a consistent behavior.  Eg: replies ALWAYS go on top.  Or
"Only quote the reply you're responding to".

The nice way to do this would be to explain the problem with the
behavior he's seeing, and a step by step on how to fix it.

In the days of dial-up, and 2 meg e-mail accounts, 20-30-40k e-mails
was a pain in the bottom.  That's really not the case anymore.  So the
only real justification I can see for it is "My e-mail looks nasty."
Hopefully Mark will chime in if I'm wrong.

Mark, this is also me offering to write a nice reminder e-mail you can
send out every couple months.  What you sent out earlier, wasn't.

-Nero

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Flesner via KRnet  
wrote:
>
> They're really going to tune out when Mark starts hitting the "DELETE"
> button.for those that don't take the time to learn and follow directions.
>
> Mark's apparent anger is born of years of posters not reading / adhering to
> the rules.  Some are lucky that he can't reach their throat. :-)
>
> Larry Flesner
>

KR> KR Poll, last chance ENOUGH!!!!!!

[Nerobro]

Google doesn't even show me the quoted replies.  This could very well
be a "your client problem."  Or maybe "the big client doesn't make
life easy for your client".

Yes, trimming replies is proper.  But, at least for me, on gmail, that
requires me "going and finding" the quoted replies.

Also note, I didn't say he was wrong in what he was saying. He's just
~very~ wrong in how he said it.

-Nero

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Dj Merrill via KRnet
 wrote:
> I'm with Mark on this one.  It is incredibly frustrating to see people
> continually ignore his very simple request.

KR> last chance ENOUGH!!!!!!

[Flesner]

At 12:51 PM 9/8/2016, you wrote:
>Mark,
>Anger isn't going to help.  People tune out when they start to see flames.
>-Nero
>+++


They're really going to tune out when Mark starts hitting the 
"DELETE" button.for those that don't take the time to learn and 
follow directions.

Mark's apparent anger is born of years of posters not reading / 
adhering to the rules.  Some are lucky that he can't reach their throat. :-)

Larry Flesner  

KR> KR Poll, last chance ENOUGH!!!!!!

[Joel LaRock]

All I have to say if I screw up ,I'm very sorry I probably hit wrong key ,I
will not bougher you or anyone again  not stupid goodbye
On Sep 8, 2016 1:47 PM, "Mark Langford via KRnet" 
wrote:

> As Paul requested from the beginning, please respond to his request
> OFF-NET!  That means, "DON'T SEND YOUR REPLY TO 800 PEOPLE!  He also
> said "put the letter in the subject area".  That would make it easy on
> him to sort and count them.  But n, why make it easy on the
> guy
>
> And I KNOW this is asking way too much of people that are apparently
> smart enough to be building airplanes, but the list rules also ask that
> you delete the vast majority of the previous post before replying, which
> would mean (in this case) ALL of it, because the SUBJECT tells the whole
> story.  But that would assume you'd actually READ the post before you
> replied to 800 people!
>
> I can't believe how incredibly dense some folks are.  It's a very simple
> concept, and so rarely complied with
>
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KR> KR Poll, last chance ENOUGH!!!!!!

[Nerobro]

Mark,

Anger isn't going to help.  People tune out when they start to see flames.

-Nero

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Mark Langford via KRnet
 wrote:
> As Paul requested from the beginning, please respond to his request
> OFF-NET!  That means, "DON'T SEND YOUR REPLY TO 800 PEOPLE!  He also
> said "put the letter in the subject area".  That would make it easy on
> him to sort and count them.  But n, why make it easy on the
> guy
>
> And I KNOW this is asking way too much of people that are apparently
> smart enough to be building airplanes, but the list rules also ask that
> you delete the vast majority of the previous post before replying, which
> would mean (in this case) ALL of it, because the SUBJECT tells the whole
> story.  But that would assume you'd actually READ the post before you
> replied to 800 people!
>
> I can't believe how incredibly dense some folks are.  It's a very simple
> concept, and so rarely complied with
>
> Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
> ML "at" N56ML.com
> www.N56ML.com
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KR> KR Poll, last chance

[Joel LaRock]

A
On Sep 8, 2016 1:20 PM, "terrypam56 via KRnet"  wrote:

> A at f
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message
> From: Paul Visk via KRnet  Date:
> 09/08/2016  7:23 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: KR EMAIL BOARD 
> Cc: Paul Visk  Subject: KR> KR Poll, last chance
>
>
> I was somewhat overwhelmed with the response. I didn't know we had that
> many active builders.  Which is awesome.  The response from the active
> flyers was little on the weak side.   Maybe they are too busy flying there
> KR's. : )So, If you haven't responded to the poll yet.  Send me an email
> off net to  ppaulvsk at aol.com.
> Put in the subject line.
> " A" for active builders
> " T" for first flight this year
> " N" for first flight next year
> ",F"  for flying KR's
> I will give out the results at the gathering and then post them.
>
> Paul Visk Belleville IL  618 406 4705
> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4
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KR> KR Poll, last chance

[terrypam56]

A at f


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: 
Paul Visk via KRnet  Date: 09/08/2016  7:23 AM  
(GMT-06:00) To: KR EMAIL BOARD  Cc: Paul Visk 
 Subject: KR> KR Poll, last chance 

??? 
I was somewhat overwhelmed with the response. I didn't know we had that many 
active builders. ?Which is awesome. ?The response from the active flyers was 
little on the weak side. ? Maybe they are too busy flying there KR's. : )So, If 
you haven't responded to the poll yet. ?Send me an email off net to ?ppaulvsk 
at aol.com. ?
Put in the subject line.
" A" for active builders
" T" for first flight this year?
" N" for first flight next year
",F" ?for flying KR's
I will give out the results at the gathering and then post them.

Paul Visk?Belleville IL ?618 406 4705
Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4
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KR> KR Poll, last chance

[Doran Jaffas]

Looking for enthusiastic builders and pilots to contact me offline.
The more the better.
Doran
   vintageaircraftowner at gmail.com
On Sep 8, 2016 1:32 PM, "Joel LaRock via KRnet" 
wrote:

> A
> On Sep 8, 2016 1:20 PM, "terrypam56 via KRnet" 
> wrote:
>
> > A at f
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message
> > From: Paul Visk via KRnet  Date:
> > 09/08/2016  7:23 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: KR EMAIL BOARD <
> krnet at list.krnet.org>
> > Cc: Paul Visk  Subject: KR> KR Poll, last chance
> >
> >
> > I was somewhat overwhelmed with the response. I didn't know we had that
> > many active builders.  Which is awesome.  The response from the active
> > flyers was little on the weak side.   Maybe they are too busy flying
> there
> > KR's. : )So, If you haven't responded to the poll yet.  Send me an email
> > off net to  ppaulvsk at aol.com.
> > Put in the subject line.
> > " A" for active builders
> > " T" for first flight this year
> > " N" for first flight next year
> > ",F"  for flying KR's
> > I will give out the results at the gathering and then post them.
> >
> > Paul Visk Belleville IL  618 406 4705
> > Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4
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KR> KR Poll, last chance ENOUGH!!!!!!

[Steve G.]

Steve Glover

Sent from my electronic leash. 

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 10:51, Nerobro via KRnet  wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Anger isn't going to help.  People tune out when they start to see flames.
> 
> -Nero
> 
> On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Mark Langford via KRnet
>  wrote:
>> As Paul requested from the beginning, please respond to his request
>> OFF-NET!  That means, "DON'T SEND YOUR REPLY TO 800 PEOPLE!  He also
>> said "put the letter in the subject area".  That would make it easy on
>> him to sort and count them.  But n, why make it easy on the
>> guy
>> 
>> And I KNOW this is asking way too much of people that are apparently
>> smart enough to be building airplanes, but the list rules also ask that
>> you delete the vast majority of the previous post before replying, which
>> would mean (in this case) ALL of it, because the SUBJECT tells the whole
>> story.  But that would assume you'd actually READ the post before you
>> replied to 800 people!
>> 
>> I can't believe how incredibly dense some folks are.  It's a very simple
>> concept, and so rarely complied with
>> 
>> Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
>> ML "at" N56ML.com
>> www.N56ML.com
>> 
>> 
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KR> KR Poll, last chance

[Ken Hurley]

A

On Sep 8, 2016 7:26 AM, "Paul Visk via KRnet"  wrote:

>
>
> I was somewhat overwhelmed with the response. I didn't know we had that
> many active builders.  Which is awesome.  The response from the active
> flyers was little on the weak side.   Maybe they are too busy flying there
> KR's. : )So, If you haven't responded to the poll yet.  Send me an email
> off net to  ppaulvsk at aol.com.
> Put in the subject line.
> " A" for active builders
> " T" for first flight this year
> " N" for first flight next year
> ",F"  for flying KR's
> I will give out the results at the gathering and then post them.
>
> Paul Visk Belleville IL  618 406 4705
> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4
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KR> KR Poll, last chance ENOUGH!!!!!!

[ml at n56ml.com]

As Paul requested from the beginning, please respond to his request
OFF-NET!  That means, "DON'T SEND YOUR REPLY TO 800 PEOPLE!  He also
said "put the letter in the subject area".  That would make it easy on
him to sort and count them.  But n, why make it easy on the
guy

And I KNOW this is asking way too much of people that are apparently
smart enough to be building airplanes, but the list rules also ask that
you delete the vast majority of the previous post before replying, which
would mean (in this case) ALL of it, because the SUBJECT tells the whole
story.  But that would assume you'd actually READ the post before you
replied to 800 people!  

I can't believe how incredibly dense some folks are.  It's a very simple
concept, and so rarely complied with

Mark Langford, Harvest, AL
ML "at" N56ML.com
www.N56ML.com

KR> KR Poll, last chance

[John Backer]

A

On Sep 8, 2016 2:26 PM, "Paul Visk via KRnet"  wrote:

>
>
> I was somewhat overwhelmed with the response. I didn't know we had that
> many active builders.  Which is awesome.  The response from the active
> flyers was little on the weak side.   Maybe they are too busy flying there
> KR's. : )So, If you haven't responded to the poll yet.  Send me an email
> off net to  ppaulvsk at aol.com.
> Put in the subject line.
> " A" for active builders
> " T" for first flight this year
> " N" for first flight next year
> ",F"  for flying KR's
> I will give out the results at the gathering and then post them.
>
> Paul Visk Belleville IL  618 406 4705
> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4
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KR> KR Poll, last chance

[Doran Jaffas]

A N
On Sep 8, 2016 12:47 PM, "svd via KRnet"  wrote:

> A
> N
>
> Cedric Hughes
> Owen Hughes
>
> Davis, CA
>
>
> > On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:00 AM, krnet-request at list.krnet.org wrote:
> >
> >
> > Message: 16
> > Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 10:48:44 -0500
> > From: Ken Hurley mailto:kenhurley50 at 
> > gmail.com>>
> > To: KRnet mailto:krnet at list.krnet.org>>
> > Subject: Re: KR> KR Poll, last chance
> > Message-ID:
> >    com  BJRf8jRcpKhCePcw at mail.gmail.com>>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > A
> >
> > On Sep 8, 2016 7:26 AM, "Paul Visk via KRnet"  > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I was somewhat overwhelmed with the response. I didn't know we had that
> >> many active builders.  Which is awesome.  The response from the active
> >> flyers was little on the weak side.   Maybe they are too busy flying
> there
> >> KR's. : )So, If you haven't responded to the poll yet.  Send me an email
> >> off net to  ppaulvsk at aol.com .
> >> Put in the subject line.
> >> " A" for active builders
> >> " T" for first flight this year
> >> " N" for first flight next year
> >> ",F"  for flying KR's
> >> I will give out the results at the gathering and then post them.
> >>
> >> Paul Visk Belleville IL  618 406 4705
> >> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4
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KR> KR Poll, last chance

[svd]

A
N

Cedric Hughes
Owen Hughes

Davis, CA


> On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:00 AM, krnet-request at list.krnet.org wrote:
> 
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 10:48:44 -0500
> From: Ken Hurley mailto:kenhurley50 at gmail.com>>
> To: KRnet mailto:krnet at list.krnet.org>>
> Subject: Re: KR> KR Poll, last chance
> Message-ID:
>     mail.gmail.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> A
> 
> On Sep 8, 2016 7:26 AM, "Paul Visk via KRnet"  > wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> I was somewhat overwhelmed with the response. I didn't know we had that
>> many active builders.  Which is awesome.  The response from the active
>> flyers was little on the weak side.   Maybe they are too busy flying there
>> KR's. : )So, If you haven't responded to the poll yet.  Send me an email
>> off net to  ppaulvsk at aol.com .
>> Put in the subject line.
>> " A" for active builders
>> " T" for first flight this year
>> " N" for first flight next year
>> ",F"  for flying KR's
>> I will give out the results at the gathering and then post them.
>> 
>> Paul Visk Belleville IL  618 406 4705
>> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4
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KR> KR Poll, last chance

[Paul Visk]

I was somewhat overwhelmed with the response. I didn't know we had that many 
active builders. ?Which is awesome. ?The response from the active flyers was 
little on the weak side. ? Maybe they are too busy flying there KR's. : )So, If 
you haven't responded to the poll yet. ?Send me an email off net to ?ppaulvsk 
at aol.com. ?
Put in the subject line.
" A" for active builders
" T" for first flight this year?
" N" for first flight next year
",F" ?for flying KR's
I will give out the results at the gathering and then post them.

Paul Visk?Belleville IL ?618 406 4705
Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4

KR> Firewall

[Jeff Scott]

I would suggest Brown Metals .  I haven't talked to 
them or had a need to buy any, but their web site advertises various 
thicknesses and alloys of Stainless foils.  304 Stainless starts at .005" and 
24" width.  301 can be ordered up to 36" wide at .005" and can be as thin as 
.002". 321 Stainless starts at .002 x 24" width.  If someone wanted to buy a 
short roll they could probably supply enough for quite a number of KRs over the 
coming years.

-Jeff Scott
?
?

Sent:?Wednesday, September 07, 2016 at 5:12 PM
From:?"Mark Langford via KRnet" 
To:?KRnet 
Cc:?"Mark Langford" 
Subject:?Re: KR> Firewall
Paul Visk wrote:

>> Fiberfrax Firewall Material from Wicks and a piece of stainless
steel sheet .016" thick. I tried to find some .005" SS shim stock, but
couldn't find it wide enough.<<

I couldn't find any either, and bought the .016" also. When I took it
out of the box, it amazed me how heavy it was. It didn't pass my "light
enough to fly" test, so I kept looking. I eventually found some .004"
or .005", sold by Rand Robinson! I don't see it on nVAero's website,
however.

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
http://www.n56ml.com


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