KR> MGL, iPad, iFly, Stratux, etc.
OK, I pounded out some thoughts on many of today's subjects. It's rough and incomplete, but a start at ventilating on several topics. See http://www.n56ml.com/n891jf/panel/#ifly for details. Oh, and to make another point, I can still get in the KR and fly it (like today, five touch and goes at three different airports), despite my endless whining about the iEFIS...ADS-b or not. Mark Langford ML at N56ML.com http://www.n56ml.com
KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin
The iFly software (and likely most others) can be set so the GPS attached to or installed as part of your ADS-B Receiver will be your primary GPS when it is receiving, and will default back to the internal GPS when it isn't. I use the iFly Software with a SkyGuard TWX ADS-B on both an iFly 740 and a 7" Android. Each of those displays has it's own distinct advantage. The iFly hardware is much more heat tolerant and rugged. The Android (or ipad) can pick up weather via the cell network before the ADS-B wifi comes up, so you get all the TFRs and a nationwide radar snapshot and it has an extended battery life if you lose power for some reason. The iFly 740 keeps the power on long enough to shut down. Somuch for their 15 minutes of battery time. So far the iFly software is not displaying TFRs as provided by the ADS-B receiver. That's supposed to be fixed in a future version. -Jeff Scott Los Alamos, NM - ?I've been using an iPad in the airplane for several years, and am happy ?with it. I took this advice and purchased the IPad mini because it fits on my panel in a holder that I built. ? The full ipad would never have fit. I installed it vertically to leave more room, I seem to be adding more stuff to my console. ?I purchased the iPad mini at a pawn shop for $25. ?Came with a case and charger. ?I am running the ifly gps app, I like the bigger menus because of my fat fingers and airplane vibrations. I am not happy with my gps reception but plan to get the ads b with gps antenna that connects with wifi. ?I hope that will help. Joe Nunley?CW2 US Army RetiredBaker JROTC Instructor?Baker Florida?
KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin
At 04:42 PM 11/22/2016, you wrote: >For my next project, the KR, I too am looking at options between Dynon and >MGL. The Dynon package we put into the 650 cost $14,400 with two auto-pilot >servos. That's a complete package. + For builders still looking to get in the air, don't let prices like these discourage you. Round gauges still work just fine and a cheap ipad running $69 a year software will get you anywhere you want to go. If you don't have the ADS-B equipment installed just stay out of controlled airspace requiring it and look out the window for other aircraft. Don't let the market place kill your dream of building / flying your own airplane. It's too easy to get caught up in "I'd love to have it" rather than "I really need it". Larry Flesner
KR> 12° ENCUENTRO DE CONSTRUCTORES DE KR, CHIVILCOY 2016
Yes Toni, Buenos Aires Is Argentina Saludos Eduardo Barros San Pedro, Bs. As., Argentina Mail: eduardo at kr2-egb.com.ar Visite el proyecto de construcci?n del avi?n experimental "Kr2 EGB": www.kr2-egb.com.ar - Original Message - From: Tony King via KRnet To: KRnet Cc: Tony King Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 8:50 PM Subject: Re: KR> 12? ENCUENTRO DE CONSTRUCTORES DE KR, CHIVILCOY 2016 Pretty sure Buenos Aires is in Argentina :-) 2016-11-22 9:44 GMT+10:00 Jeff Scott via KRnet : > For those wondering what Eduardo said: See the Google translation below: > Bottom line we are all invited to the 12th annual KR Gathering... in > Brazil. Personally, in a couple of years after I have retired, I might > want to consider it, especially if we can get a group flying down together. > > -Jeff Scott > > ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org - Se certifico que el correo no contiene virus. Comprobada por AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7924 / Base de datos de virus: 4664/13452 - Fecha de la version: 21/11/2016
KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin
I'm in WA, with Dynon just down the road. We have several Dynon employees in our EAA Chapter 84 and they have given us great support. I have a KR project to get to in about a year, but now building a Zenith CH-650 with 4 others. We ask Dynon many questions and get immediate answers. As to the fuel flow issue, we were considering the injected version of Rotax 912, but opted for the carb version, and still have a return line. We looked at having both sensors to determine net fuel flow. The sensors are expensive. Per Dynon suggestion, we have only 1 sensor and will adjust that in the setup after we fly for the % of net fuel flow. Apparently this is easily done with the Dynon Skyview. It seems the primary supply line sends back a fairly consistent % of fuel back down the return line. Dynon said about 70% is the setting to start with, estimating about 30% will go back to tanks via the return line. Again, this is from Dynon suggestion and I have no actual experience. We did set up a double throw fuel switch so the return line sends back to the supply tank as we switch. Many others have only one fuel return line going to one of the wing tanks. That shouldn't matter. The Dynon has many, many features that I am just learning. Like never having to twist a dial to set a frequency on the radio. Just push the touch screen airport icon and load frequencies, then Dynon radio has buttons for Ground, Tower, Approach, Unicom, etc. Of course, there are dials to use if you want. If you see you are using less fuel due to tailwind, and want to extend your planned route, just touch airport icon further on and push button to tell you if you have sufficient fuel to get there. Over 100 pages in the user manual and it will take a bit to learn, but wow, what features and simplicity when you know how it all works. For my next project, the KR, I too am looking at options between Dynon and MGL. The Dynon package we put into the 650 cost $14,400 with two auto-pilot servos. That's a complete package. The Skyview itself is only $4K, but add ADSB, transponder, intercom, radio, gps, etc, etc, and it soon adds up to real money. I think the MGL is less expensive and as much as I love Dynon, I am on a tight budget. Having 5 people share costs on the 650 is very nice; I won't have that on the KR. I have more than a year to make decision on my KR project, but am reading anxiously and learning from all of you. Jim McGauhey Washington State
KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin
On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Mark Langford via KRnet < krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote: > > Whatever you do, do NOT waste your money on an MGL iEFIS. I've been > meaning to write this up for several months, but I know it would take me > many weeks to list the many hardware and software failures that I've had > with mine. I will attempt a "short list" tonight. I agree with Rudi that > the previous MGL units we apparently good, but the iEFIS is an exception. > > Please consider the lowly iPad or iPad Mini. These things are bullet > proof, and can run all kinds of apps with thousands of users and very well > developed software. I bought a practically new Mini from ebay for $154 > last week. More tonight... > > Mark Langford > ML at N56ML.com > http://www.n56ml.com > > Interesting point on the iEFIS Mark, I have not seen one of those in a local plane but you are not the first one to mention problems with the unit! Lately I have used the XTreme-EFIS with great results as well as some of their older products. I also have lots of their digital instruments in my planes and they all work well. I fully agree on the iPad/mini, I have been using one for a while in the plane and I am really happy running software like Air Nav Pro and the great EasyCockpit/EasyPlan/EasyWeather (Southern Africa only I think) suite of software. Rudi Venter
KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin
Hi Stef. I might be slightly biased (it is a local product) but I think the MGL products are really great! We have a lot of them installed at our local field and everyone seems really happy. My personal experience has also been great, it seems like a good product with good support and it is extremely flexible to adapt to your setup. Hope you get your KR flying soon! Fly Safe, Rudi On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Stef den Boer via KRnet < krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote: > Hi kr friends > I am bussy with my engine cowling and finalise everything for the engine. > The > prop wil be next month arrive so we are making progress. > In a few months in need to make a final decission about the efis I need to > install. > I made my mind up for the Garmin g3x, but this one cant measure the > fuelflow > from a puls for the injectiin system. It is possible but you have to use 2 > units > to measure it. One in the pressure line And one in the return fuel line. > So now > I am again in a doubt for the latest MGL or Dynon system. If the money > Bucket is > not empty I will direct plan a auto pilot system. > So what is your experiance with the Dynon or MGL. > Europe nav database update cost? And more info is welkome. > Thanks Stef > >
KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin
?I've been using an iPad in the airplane for several years, and am happy ?with it. I took this advice and purchased the IPad mini because it fits on my panel in a holder that I built. ? The full ipad would never have fit. I installed it vertically to leave more room, I seem to be adding more stuff to my console. ?I purchased the iPad mini at a pawn shop for $25. ?Came with a case and charger. ?I am running the ifly gps app, I like the bigger menus because of my fat fingers and airplane vibrations. I am not happy with my gps reception but plan to get the ads b with gps antenna that connects with wifi. ?I hope that will help. Joe Nunley?CW2 US Army RetiredBaker JROTC Instructor?Baker Florida?
KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin
On 11/22/2016 7:11 AM, Mark Langford via KRnet wrote: > Please consider the lowly iPad or iPad Mini. These things are bullet > proof, and can run all kinds of apps with thousands of users and very > well developed software. I've been using an iPad in the airplane for several years, and am happy with it. I will take slight exception to your description of "bulletproof", however. They are temperature sensitive, and tend to shut down when they get hot. It has happened to me personally, and lots of reports on the Van's RV forums. Keep it in the shade, and/or direct some cooling air on it, and they seem fine. I use WingX on mine, but there are plenty of other good apps available too. -Dj
KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin
Hi kr friends I am bussy with my engine cowling and finalise everything for the engine. The prop wil be next month arrive so we are making progress. In a few months in need to make a final decission about the efis I need to install. I made my mind up for the Garmin g3x, but this one cant measure the fuelflow from a puls for the injectiin system. It is possible but you have to use 2 units to measure it. One in the pressure line And one in the return fuel line. So now I am again in a doubt for the latest MGL or Dynon system. If the money Bucket is not empty I will direct plan a auto pilot system. So what is your experiance with the Dynon or MGL. Europe nav database update cost? And more info is welkome. Thanks Stef
KR> 12° ENCUENTRO DE CONSTRUCTORES DE KR, CHIVILCOY 2016
Pretty sure Buenos Aires is in Argentina :-) 2016-11-22 9:44 GMT+10:00 Jeff Scott via KRnet : > For those wondering what Eduardo said: See the Google translation below: > Bottom line we are all invited to the 12th annual KR Gathering... in > Brazil. Personally, in a couple of years after I have retired, I might > want to consider it, especially if we can get a group flying down together. > > -Jeff Scott > >
KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin
Stef, While I did not plan 15 years ago for the way my panel has developed I am still pretty dang happy with how I receive most of the information. I am currently in your position of trying to decide the best method to complete a panel with all the technology available on a new project. I currently fly with a D-10A with the Dynon auto pilot servos installed. I have an I-Fly 740 slaved to the D-10A that couples the flight plan to the auto pilot. The I-Fly740 is coupled to a Skyguard ADS-B in and out system. The engine instruments are on the stand alone EIS from Grand Rapids Tech. I have a few little problems with the unit but it is nearing 15 years old now. The unit does every function flawlessly. The only problems I have had is the buttons to control function have been degrading which they tell me they have fixed and can fix mine. The other is the amount of character spaces on the screen, for most things it is OK but I would like to have a screen that could display a bit more at one time. It is fully customizable for the information shown at any given time. Joe horton, N357CJ - Original Message - Hi kr friends So now I am again in a doubt for the latest MGL or Dynon system. If the money Bucket is not empty I will direct plan a auto pilot system. So what is your experiance with the Dynon or MGL. Europe nav database update cost? And more info is welkome. Thanks Stef ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html. see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org
KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin
Stef wrote:I am again in a doubt for the latest MGL or Dynon system. If the money Bucket is not empty I will direct plan a auto pilot system. So what is your experiance with the Dynon or MGL. Europe nav database update cost? And more info is welkome. I was in your position a few years ago. Trying to decide between Dynon and MGL. ? I decided on Dynon primarily because of the support. ?At the 2015 KR gathering. I invited Dynon to come down and give a presentation on the ADSB Nextgen and what they had to offer. ?This years gathering they gave us two $150 gift certificates. ?MGL was supposed to show up at the 2014 gathering but backed out at the last minute and that was one of the main reasons I went to that Chino gathering. ?If I remember right. I think some other people have some negative things to say about MGL also.They newest system, Skyview HDX is the best on the experimental ?light sport Market now.??Paul Visk ?Belleville Il ?618 406 4705 Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone .
KR> Mgl, dynon,Garmin
Stef wrote: > So what is your experiance with the Dynon or MGL. Whatever you do, do NOT waste your money on an MGL iEFIS. I've been meaning to write this up for several months, but I know it would take me many weeks to list the many hardware and software failures that I've had with mine. I will attempt a "short list" tonight. I agree with Rudi that the previous MGL units we apparently good, but the iEFIS is an exception. Please consider the lowly iPad or iPad Mini. These things are bullet proof, and can run all kinds of apps with thousands of users and very well developed software. I bought a practically new Mini from ebay for $154 last week. More tonight... Mark Langford ML at N56ML.com http://www.n56ml.com
KR> 12° ENCUENTRO DE CONSTRUCTORES DE KR, CHIVILCOY 2016
I put him in the wrong country. Yes. Brazil. SkyVector only shows about 50 hrs flight time to get there. ? ? Pretty sure Buenos Aires is in Argentina :-) 2016-11-22 9:44 GMT+10:00 Jeff Scott via KRnet : > For those wondering what Eduardo said: See the Google translation below: > Bottom line we are all invited to the 12th annual KR Gathering... in > Brazil. Personally, in a couple of years after I have retired, I might > want to consider it, especially if we can get a group flying down together. > > -Jeff Scott > > ?
KR> 12° ENCUENTRO DE CONSTRUCTORES DE KR, CHIVILCOY 2016
For those wondering what Eduardo said: See the Google translation below: Bottom line we are all invited to the 12th annual KR Gathering... in Brazil. Personally, in a couple of years after I have retired, I might want to consider it, especially if we can get a group flying down together. -Jeff Scott - Friends And we continue to insist, we are passionate about friendship and build airplanes, this year we are greeted very kindly by the friends of Aero Chivilcoy, Bs. As., Where will take place the (link) 12th ENCOUNTER OF KR CONSTRUCTORS. - 2016. (link) We are the longest and most important itinerant meeting of experimental builders that travels this territory sharing experiences, knowledge and friendship, the people of Aero Chivilcoy waiting for us with open arms and we can not fail, come to know that it is worth. We are proud of this year and we will also have the special participation of the ANAC, who will have a permanent "office" to attend all kinds of queries (registration, project presentation, inspections, etc.) and where we were promised some more surprises. We have everything ready and in time of discount to share 2 days between friends and chatting of those that we like. This year we invited and shared the days with the builders of the FACIL MS1, that every day are more. These are some of the talks and technical presentations that will be given during the day: A .. From 9:00 a.m. _ Reception of attendees B. 14:00 Hs. _ Opening of the 12th Builders Meeting 2016 C. 14:30 Hs. _ "Motivational talk for novice builders", by Marcelo Rodriguez D. 16:00 Hs. _ Electronic injection applied to car engines in airplanes. By Diego Perea E .. 16:40 Hs. _ Presentation, builders showing and describing their work 18:30 Hrs. _ Historical Talk, "HISTORICAL EVOLUTION OF THE EXPERIMENTAL CONSTRUCTIONS IN ARGENTINA", by Francisco Halbriter G. 20:00 Hs. _ End of the Day Hr. 9:00 a.m. _ Dinner of camaraderie (dinner attendance must be confirmed the same day with the organizers) Sunday 27/11/2016 10:30 a.m. _ Presentation of Projects in construction phase, by several constructors. B. 11: 30 "Safety: Lecture by the German Pilot Bruno Gantenbrink", by Marcelo Rodriguez C. 2:00 p.m. _ Technical chat; "EL FACIL MS1", design development and evolution. By Miguel Hector Scheini D. 3:00 a.m. _ Presentation of Projects in construction phase, by several constructors. and.. . 5:00 p.m. _ Appointment of the next headquarters of the 13th MEETING OF BUILDERS 2017, and closure of the event. We hope you do not need reservation, registration or anything, just want to attend. DO NOT SUSPEND BY RAIN ? ? Sent:?Monday, November 21, 2016 at 1:36 PM From:?"Eduardo Barros via KRnet" To:?"Eduardo Barros" , KRnet Cc:?"Eduardo Barros" Subject:?KR> 12? ENCUENTRO DE CONSTRUCTORES DE KR, CHIVILCOY 2016 Amigos Y seguimos insistiendo, nos apasiona la amistad y construir aviones, este a?o nos reciben muy gentilmente los amigos del Aero Chivilcoy, Bs. As., donde tendr? lugar el (link) 12? ENCUENTRO DE CONSTRUCTORES DE KR. - 2016. (link) Somos la reuni?n itinerante de constructores experimentales m?s longeva e importante que recorre este territorio compartiendo experiencias, conocimientos y amistad, la gente del aero Chivilcoy nos espera con los brazos abiertos y no podemos fallarle, ac?rquense que vale la pena. Un orgullo para nosotros, este a?o contaremos tambien con la participaci?n especial de la ANAC, quien dispondr? una "oficina" permanente para atender consultas de todo tipo (matriculaci?n, presentaci?n de proyectos, inspecciones, etc.) y donde nos prometieron algunas sorpresas m?s. Tenemos todo listo y en tiempo de descuento para compartir 2 jornadas entre amigos y charlando de los que nos gusta. Este a?o invitamos y compartimos las jornadas con los constructores del FACIL MS1, que cada dia son mas. Estas son algunas de las charlas y presentaciones t?cnicas que se dictaran durante la jornada: a.. Desde las 9:00 Hs. _ Recepci?n de asistentes b.. 14:00 Hs. _ Apertura del 12? Encuentro de Constructores 2016 c.. 14:30 Hs. _ "Charla motivacional para constructores novatos", por Marcelo Rodriguez d.. 16:00 Hs. _ Inyecci?n electr?nica aplicada a motores de auto en aviones. por Diego Perea e.. 16:40 Hs. _ Presentaci?n, constructores mostrando y describiendo su trabajo f.. 18:30 Hs. _ Charla Hist?rica, "EVOLUCI?N HIST?RICA DE LAS CONSTRUCCIONES EXPERIMENTALES EN LA ARGENTINA", por Francisco Halbriter g.. 20:00 Hs. _ Fin de la Jornada h.. 21:00 Hs. _ Cena de camarader?a (la asistencia a la cena se debe confirmar el mismo d?a con los organizadores) Domingo 27/11/2016 a.. 10:30 Hs. _ Presentaci?n de Proyectos en etapa constructiva, por constructores varios. b.. 11: 30 "Seguridad: Lectura de la conferencia del Piloto
