KR> FW:vanithas

[charles]

http://viajesestudiantesplaya.com/ftaeoyi/ysabiqverwfxmddjzcvexatfjjgu.ulgbznxnspzxmlkbjwzlerowwo
 





 charles 

 11/24/2014 12:33:45 AM

KR> Reading related to Cranks and flywheels

[Charles Smiith]

Seems to me that all of the ?solutions? just transfers the problem away from 
the crankshaft, dosen?t make it go away.  Whatever the propeller is connected 
to just has to be strong enough to never break. So the ultimate solution seems 
to be a stronger crankshaft to withstand the propeller vibrations.  Can the 
Corvair crankcase bearing be bored out for a bigger journal?  And can the 
crankshaft be modified to a larger  journal?   I know they can rebuild them by 
building up the journal with an electric welder and regrinding it. 

KR> Re: KR2S Plans lacking detail

[Charles Brown]

You think those plans are lacking try the one's I bought in 1973 for the KR 1 
four sheets and a green book telling you how to build it.




From: Mark Langford 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:19 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Re: KR2S Plans lacking detail

Tim Caughron wrote:

>> Do I just guesstimate how wide the
fuselage is supposed to be at the tail section, or am I missing that
critical measurement. Do I understand that the plans have no procedure for
tri-gear, and that the details for those will be included in the install
instructions of the gear themselves?<<

You're not the first guy to wonder these things, and you won't be the last. 
A lot of these planes have been built and flown, despite the poor state of 
the plans.  Those plans is the reason I built my website, the first one 
devoted to KR construction.   If you look hard enough in the plans notebook 
for the KR2, you'll find mention of joining the fuselage sides up to the 
vertical stabilizer's aft spar to finish forming the boat.  This is the 
width of the fuselage back at the place where the rudder fastens (it's a 
tapered piece that's something like 2" wide on average).  Taper the spar 
first, and leave the plywood overlapping a bit to provide a gap seal for the 
rudder.  So use the farthest aft measurement that's given for a cross member 
as your last known point, and then the tailpiece, and the other cross pieces 
are just cut to fit.  I'd give better directions, but I'm at work and the 
plans are at home.

As for tri-gear, that fits under the same heading as a lot of things...you 
don't get the one-sheet plans for it unless you bought the optional parts 
themselves from Rand Robinson.  Diehl sold most of the nose gear, and his 
instructions are online at 
http://www.diehlaero.com/NOSE%20GEAR%20INSTRUCTIONS.pdf .  I think Steve 
?Glover at NVAero is now selling that gear.  I'll let him clarify.

There's a lot of guesswork building a KR from those plans, so better get 
used to it now...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
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KR> stub wing baggage compartment

[Charles Brown]

I would not recommend using the leading edge as storage as this is the most 
critical part of the airfoil so between the spar's would be best.




From: Craig Williams 
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 1:57 PM
Subject: KR> stub wing baggage compartment

Back from OSH and looking fwd to the Gathering

My stub wings between the spars will be virtually empty because of the control 
system I am building.  I am thinking of putting a small baggage compartment in 
each wing or hinge the leading edge and use that as baggage space.  Found 
nothing in the archives about anyone doing this so I thought I would ask if 
anyone has done it before.  I think the hinged leading edge would be real neat 
but maybe not practical.

Craig
www.kr2seafury.com

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KR> Progress Report & Another Cracked Longeron Story

[Charles Smiith]

Are the longerons already glued to the skins?  If so, why not just reinforce 
the sections in question with 2 or 3 layers of 6 oz fiberglass, wrapping the 
glass fibers over the section at a 45 degree angle and onto the skin about an 
inch.  Cover the longeron in this manner about 6? on each side of the damage.  
If you have it, it would help to underlay the glass with some carbon fiber. 

KR> Re: Walmart Landing Lights

[Charles Brown]

They have them at the the parts stores that carry Auto Value auto parts, the 
newer ones are better.



From: Mark Jones flyk...@charter.net
To: Al Etherington alethering...@rogers.com
Cc: KR Net kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 4:33 PM
Subject: KR Re: Walmart Landing Lights

 Hi Mark:

 I was quite impressed with your Wal-Mart landing(driving) lights. However, 
 after searching their site and visiting four stores, I have yet to turn 
 them up. Would you by any chance have a stock or part number for them? I 
 would much appreciate your help.

 Al Etherington




Hi Al,

Unfortunately, I do not have the part number on them. I bought them from Ron 
Frieberger back in 2004 and dont know if he is still on the KR Net or not. 
They are fog driving lights which you would mount on a bumper or truck roof. 
I see them all the time at car parts stores and even Wal Mart which is where 
he bought these. All fog driving lights have a reflector in front of the 
bulb which spreads the light beam. You will want to take the case apart and 
remove the reflector in front of the bulb. This will give you a spot light 
instead of a flood light and will increase the effective range 10 times for 
use as a landing light. Somewhere I have a drawing which circulated on the 
net which shows how to remove the reflector and it may have had the Mfg and 
part number on it. I am going to post this to the net in case Ron is still 
out there or maybe someone else will have the drawing I am referring to.
http://www.flykr2s.com/wing.html

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Stevens Point, WI
E-mail: flyk...@charter.net
Web: www.flykr2s.com



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KR> poll on revival of McCulloch 4318 engines .

[Charles Smiith]

Count me in.  My main interest in in developing affordable aircraft and at the 
core of that interest is an affordable reliable power plant, the vast roadblock 
to cheap everyman?s flying now.   One of my dreams is a lightweight ?stackable? 
radial using existing auto parts.
Charles Smith
850-547-2045

KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 353, Issue 148, Message 1.

[Charles Brown]

My thought is if it isn't aviation thus KR or close to it don't open it and I 
don't I don't open anything I don't know I did it couple weeks ago on my laptop 
and had to put it in the shop. Now back to airplanes a friend of mine came with 
a pickup truck full of blue foam one, two and four inch foam so I think the 
aviation gods sre telling me time to build so after 35 years and a girlfriend 
with a big woodshop full of tools and equipment im going to dust off the plans 
and get started on my KR 1.

From: John Looby 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 353, Issue 148, Message 1.

I was suspicious when I saw it and didnt open it.  Looks like we are being
hit with/by scum.  One last week as well.

John
- Original Message -
From: "smwood" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 6:03 PM
Subject: KR> Re: KRnet Digest, Vol 353, Issue 148, Message 1.


My virus firewall says this site tried to auto install malware on my
computer.

Sid Wood
Mechanicsville, MD, USA

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KR> Tailwheel

[Charles Brown]

Hey Todd I am hoping to start on my KR 1 soon is their any way I could come up 
and look at your KR as I am trying to get ideas of what I want to do. I think 
my plans have been in the tube long enough about 35 years, they haven't even 
yellowed they been in the dark so much or should I say so long, the tube was 
covered with dust and cobwebs. Anyway getting late so will get off of here. God 
bless. Charles.


From: "rdrace...@aol.com" <rdrace...@aol.com>
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Tailwheel

What is "too flat" in a three point attitude?  My KR2S has the  original 
retracts, and if I make no pitch change and allow it to accelerate it  will 
fly right off the runway.  Although it is much easier to take off by  raising 
the tail for a few seconds before allowing it to take off.

Todd Thelin
Spanaway, WA


In a message dated 10/19/2010 8:29:54 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
fles...@frontier.com writes:

The  original retracts are 
heavy, unreliable, and have the KR setting too flat  in a three point  
attitude.


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KR> (no subject)

[Charles Brown]

Test completed

-Original Message-
From: Patrick and Robin Russo 
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 11:17 AM
To: KRnet 
Subject: KR> (no subject)

A test. Having IT problems.
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KR> test

[Charles Brown]

Your test is a success





From: Larry Flesner 
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Thu, February 17, 2011 2:58:37 PM
Subject: KR> test



this is a test.  I sent out an e-mail earlier and then did a repeat 
and have not received either one yet.

Larry Flesner


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KR> Fwd: A New Engine !

[Charles Smiith]

It looks like the gearing on these engines would be a weak link from an 
aircraft application point of view, with impulse vibrations being much worse to 
control than on conventional 4-6 cyl enbgines.  Perhaps if the crankshafts to 
output rpm?s ratio could be 10-1 or so. 

KR> vw 2kcc long block

[Charles Smiith]

I've got 2 VW engines, one converted and one as out of the VW vehicle.  I think 
the unconverted one is a type 4.  Does anyone know how to identify a type 4 
engine?

KR> Mil-spec 6073 vs. any other wood

[Charles Smiith]

I am involved in building a homemade lumber drying kiln right now and have been 
studying what I can find on the 'net about it.  It seems that the strength of 
the wood depends on the drying process as well as the species.   Non-mil-spec 
lumber might not have been dried using the process that gives the most 
strength.  Check that out.  The drying process is quite complicated.

KR> vw 2kcc long block

[Charles Brown]

Myself if its not a 4140 or 4340 chromoly crankshaft I won't use it because in 
the is not the time to find out your crankshaft is weak. These crankshaft are 
tryed and true they are light and very strong. a friend of mine has a type one 
in his soneri it is a 2332 with chey rods and he was very maticulis with it 
every part is balanced and blue printed and it is holding strong. anything I 
build over 1776 I go chromoly.





From: Mark Langford 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Fri, December 24, 2010 5:46:30 PM
Subject: Re: KR> vw 2kcc long block

I should mention that given my enlightened view of the importance of 
crankshafts in aircraft engines, I'm not sure I'd go for the welded 
crankshaft now.  Even the Scat cranks have been known to break in Type 4 
aircraft service.  Last I heard they were very expensive, if even available 
at this point.  Steve Bennett might be able to shed some light on this...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
website at http://www.N56ML.com



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KR> vw 2kcc long block

[Charles Brown]

Hey Mark I have always been a VW man myself, I have 10 VW's all type one, I 
build for sand rail's, Baja's and 1/2 VW and full VW for aircraft I like how 
you 
had your type four I am working on a drive system for flywheel side as I start 
my KR-1 this spring I know doing it backward. I always start on engine first 
then build plane around engine LOL . Like to run prop off of flywheel side and 
pully side for one wire altenater.





From: Mark Langford 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Fri, December 24, 2010 10:57:30 AM
Subject: Re: KR> vw 2kcc long block

Jose Fuentes wrote:

>>i saw this vw 2000cc air cooled engine on ebay. it says its a long block 
>>van engine.  has anyone used it on a kr? need to research it a bit 
>>more.<<

See http://www.n56ml.com/kvw.html for some details on the Type 4 engine, 
assuming that's what it is.

To answer your question, yes it's been used on KRs before.

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
website at http://www.N56ML.com
 


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KR> Boatbuilding Questions

[Charles Brown]

Hey john a buddy and I did the same thing at Ft Wainwright, AK in 1977. The 
company commander made us take it to the woodshop wow the projects in there no 
one ever seen a plane built before.LOL




From: "jmelvin...@aol.com" 
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 2:15:43 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Boatbuilding Questions

I helped a friend build the boat for a KR-1 in an Army barracks room at Ft  
Sill, OK in the 70's.

John
El Paso


In a message dated 12/5/2010 2:03:55 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
cbscust...@yahoo.com writes:

Mike  when building the boat fit and glue every thing but the rudder up 
rights  
and then when you get it out the door then glue and clamp them in. I knew  
a man 
who had built the boat in his apartment living room until the  landlord 
kicked 
him out. LOL. KR people do crazy things to build a  airplane, I am one  LOL.





From: Mike  Taglieri 
To: KRnet  
Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 7:59:12 PM
Subject:  KR> Boatbuilding Questions

For a long time I've wanted to build a  KR-2, but I didn't have a place to 
do 
it.  Now, after moving from an  apartment to a house, I've decided the best 
way is to build it in my  basement as far as possible.  I have a small 
two-car garage, but it's  cold, drafty, and often damp.  The basement is 
dry 
and heated, with a  ground level door to the backyard, and I have 
woodworking 
and metalworking  equipment there.

The problem is space.  There's a furnace room in  the middle of the 
basement, 
and the area where I want to put the assembly  table is 76" wide on one end 
and 80" wide on the other.  The KR  manual says the table is made of two 
sheets of particle board put end to  end "and cut off to length of table 
desired."  But leaving the table  48" wide seems much more than I need and 
it 
would make it harder to move  around it.  How narrow a table can I get away 
with?  (And how  long does it have to be?  My space is plenty long enough 
to 
build the  boat, but I don't see any point making the table longer than it 
needs to  be).

The hard part is going to be getting the boat out the door, which  is 
currently 32" wide (though if I take out the door frame I can get it to  
get 
to 34").  The plans seem to want me to build the tail after the  boat, but 
I 
don't see why I can't do that last, and without the tail, the  boat turned 
sideways can get through the door, maybe even with the wing  spars on.

Finally, I bought my plans awhile ago and have Serial No.  9159 in Book No. 
78.  Drawing 1 and Drawing 2 are the May, 1986  release, and the firewall 
template is dated February 15, 1981.  Are  these the latest version, and if 
not, is there a way to get the later  ones?

Mike Taglieri  miket--...@juno.com  


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KR> Boatbuilding Questions

[Charles Brown]

Mike when building the boat fit and glue every thing but the rudder up rights 
and then when you get it out the door then glue and clamp them in. I knew a man 
who had built the boat in his apartment living room until the landlord kicked 
him out. LOL. KR people do crazy things to build a airplane, I am one LOL.





From: Mike Taglieri 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Sat, December 4, 2010 7:59:12 PM
Subject: KR> Boatbuilding Questions

For a long time I've wanted to build a KR-2, but I didn't have a place to do 
it.  Now, after moving from an apartment to a house, I've decided the best 
way is to build it in my basement as far as possible.  I have a small 
two-car garage, but it's cold, drafty, and often damp.  The basement is dry 
and heated, with a ground level door to the backyard, and I have woodworking 
and metalworking equipment there.

The problem is space.  There's a furnace room in the middle of the basement, 
and the area where I want to put the assembly table is 76" wide on one end 
and 80" wide on the other.  The KR manual says the table is made of two 
sheets of particle board put end to end "and cut off to length of table 
desired."  But leaving the table 48" wide seems much more than I need and it 
would make it harder to move around it.  How narrow a table can I get away 
with?  (And how long does it have to be?  My space is plenty long enough to 
build the boat, but I don't see any point making the table longer than it 
needs to be).

The hard part is going to be getting the boat out the door, which is 
currently 32" wide (though if I take out the door frame I can get it to get 
to 34").  The plans seem to want me to build the tail after the boat, but I 
don't see why I can't do that last, and without the tail, the boat turned 
sideways can get through the door, maybe even with the wing spars on.

Finally, I bought my plans awhile ago and have Serial No. 9159 in Book No. 
78.  Drawing 1 and Drawing 2 are the May, 1986 release, and the firewall 
template is dated February 15, 1981.  Are these the latest version, and if 
not, is there a way to get the later ones?

Mike Taglieri  miket--...@juno.com 


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KR> Boatbuilding Questions

[Charles Brown]

I just made two 4x8 tables and bolted together it works great with locking 
wheels that way you can build the KR1, KR2 or KR2 s on the same table and with 
wheels you can put it against the wall for a table.





From: R. Human 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 11:37:07 AM
Subject: RE: KR> Boatbuilding Questions

Mike since no one else has replied directly to your table questions - here's
my take.

The table doesn't need to be any longer that it takes to layout the fuselage
sides - so what-ever that is based on the short or long fuselage. I would
probably make it as wide as the widest part of the fuselage as you will need
that when you start to erect the sides.

The Horizontal stab/Elevator can be saved to last but you will need to mount
the rudder post when you frame the boat. The Vertical Stabilizer is
constructed after the Horizontal/Elevators are mounted.

Hope this helps


Rick Human
N202RH
Houston, Tx

  


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KR> Tailwheel checkout

[Charles Smith]

Ten hours seems to be the standard for signoffs here too.  Just checked last 
week, the CFI wanted to set me up for ten hours to recertify me.

KR> Re: Sanding Vinyl Ester Layup

[Charles Brown]

From: "rdrace...@aol.com" 
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 8:05:49 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Re: Sanding Vinyl Ester Layup

What is PVA?


In a message dated 11/23/2010 8:04:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
l...@vandyke5.com writes:

Sorry  PVA.  I hate this iPhone sometimes

Sent from my iPhone

On  Nov 23, 2010, at 8:57 PM, Lee Van Dyke   wrote:

> If you know that you will have to sand V/E you can spray  pcs on the
> area that you layed up, it will help form a "crust" if you  will.  Then
> sand easy peasy lemon  squeezie

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KR> What happened to the KR-100?

[Charles Burkholder]

what is the kr-100?
Cheers,

Charles Burkholder




We have the only other KR-100 in existence that either I or Jeanette know
of.  

WARNING: two infected sites, Re KR> I have something really wonderful for you! Skorczewski's Re KR>-no subject

[Charles Brown]

I got those e-mails my software caught it and I deleted it right away.





From: Mark Langford 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Tue, November 9, 2010 1:57:41 PM
Subject: Re: WARNING: two infected sites, Re KR> I have something really 
wonderful for you!  Skorczewski's Re KR>-no subject

That's the second of this type of message in the last day or two to hit 
KRnet.  I've unsubscribed both guys temporarily until they get their PCs 
cleaned up...

Mark Langford
n5...@hiwaay.net
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KR> Welder

[Charles Brown]

The harbor freight tig is ok for 4130, stainless and mild steel and if you are 
only building a couple airplane's it is ok and for beginner's just starting out 
it is ok. my brother in law bought a Hobart now im spilled.




From: Marlyn Taylor 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Fri, November 5, 2010 12:02:42 PM
Subject: RE: KR> Welder

I researched this welder and discovered that it is AC only (DC sine wave
is required for welding Aluminum)that is why they say "(not suitable for
aluminum)"

Marlyn Taylor


-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On
Behalf Of STEVE bennett
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2010 6:37 AM
To: krnet
Subject: KR> Welder


My Miller Mig 130 XP quit.  It costs more to fix it than it is worth.
Wouln't mind upgrading to a tig.  The Miller 160 Tig is about $1400. Has
anyone tried the Harbor Freight Tig/MMA Inverter Welder part #98233 and
if so, have any comments.

Steve Bennett
ifly...@msn.com






                          
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KR> (no subject)

[Charles Brown]

Morning everyone. I have looked at alot of reports including the NTSB on home 
builts and KR's and I found that most accidents could have been avoided. alot 
of 
people get so hung up in flying that they don't do a good preflight or a post 
flight, yes I said post flight.One thing the military aviation teaches is 
things 
go wrong and in the air is not the time to find out. Don't get in a routine,one 
time after flying check flight controls, next time landing gear, prop ( no fun 
intended Mark). We build these machine's with pride, at lest I do but we make 
mistake's and anything we build will and can brake. Out of all KR's I think 
Mark's plane is best because he can remove the turtle deck which make it easy 
to 
inspect flight control's and ect.Post flight is great as you find problem's and 
can fix them, preflight so you are sure your safe. Some pilot's want to fly so 
bad they say I will fix it when I get back, problem is sometime's they don't 
come back,get the point. KR's are very safe aircraft if well mantained so let's 
build, let's fly and be safe don't take chance's.





From: Jose Fuentes 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Thu, November 4, 2010 9:16:09 AM
Subject: Re: KR> (no subject)

was it the retractable gear KR2's?

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:47 AM, STEVE bennett  wrote:

>
> IDENTIFICATION
>  Regis#: 128JH        Make/Model: EXP      Description: RAND ROBINSON KR2
>  Date: 10/20/2010    Time: 1832
>
>  Event Type: Accident  Highest Injury: None    Mid Air: N    Missing: N
>  Damage: Substantial
>
> LOCATION
>  City: PEARLAND  State: TX  Country: US
>
> DESCRIPTION
>  AIRCRAFT ON LANDING, GEAR COLLAPSED, PEARLAND, TX
>
> INJURY DATA      Total Fatal:  0
>                # Crew:  1    Fat:  0    Ser:  0    Min:  0    Unk:
>                # Pass:  0    Fat:  0    Ser:  0    Min:  0    Unk:
>                # Grnd:        Fat:  0    Ser:  0    Min:  0    Unk:
>
> WEATHER: 291753Z AUTO VRB05KT 10SM CLR 20/02 A3036
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> OTHER DATA
>  Activity: Unknown      Phase: Landing      Operation: OTHER
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>  FAA FSDO: HOUSTON, TX  (SW09)                  Entry date: 11/01/2010
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KR> Oshkosh 365 - Discussion Boards - Kenyan homebuilt -

[Charles Smith]

The A/C is 'ugly' all right, but to me that is the beauty of it, the 'little 
man' getting himself something that flies. forget the beauty, forget the 
finesse, forget the technology, he wants to fly!  That used to be what the EAA 
was all abnout, then it got smothered by the rush to beauty and ever higher 
technology.  Now, nobody shows up at Oshkosh with the cheap "little man's" 
planes that may not look like something out of science fiction with a $10,000 
paint job.  One of my best memories is of meeting a chap with a KR2 who flew 
into Oshkosh years ago.  It looked awful, still hade theglass  fabric showing 
all over through the obviously cheap paint job, he obviously had functionality 
as a priority over pure beauty, but it FLEW HIM TO OSHKOSH and did what he 
wanted it to do.  I sort of think this pursuit of pure beauty and 
one-upsmanship is a great part of the reason that EAA has become primarily a 
millionaires club, the 'little man' flying his cheap homemade unsophisticated 
plane that he never intended to be a show-off piece has been shoved far into 
the background and scorned..

KR> Outboard fuel tanks

[Charles Smith]

Watching this discussion of fuel tanks closely.  I have built a Dragonfly 
(hasn't flown yet) and found the construction technique to be fast and easy 
(you have to be fast when applying epoxy).  However, I want to start over with 
a conventional design that fits the requirements of E-LSA.  I would like to use 
the same construction techniques used in the D-fly but do not know what the 
parameters or results of putting a hollow space inside of a foam core wing 
would be but think it might be doable as wing tip tanks, just hollow out the 
outermost 'x' inches of wing and use it as the tank, the least stress place in 
the wing. I am looking at the KR design as the basis for this plane and soaking 
up any ideas I can run across to help me out.  Perhaps external tip tanks a la 
T33?  I am aware that foam dissolves in gasoline..

KR> Fw: Object lesson - God's Grace

[Charles Burkholder]

God's Grace

What is mentioned here appears to be a shame, 
but the message is very true. I hope you are all blessed by this story. I 
wonder how many people will delete this without reading it because of the title.

There once was a man named George Thomas, a 
pastor in a small New England town. One Easter Sunday morning, he came to the 
Church carrying a rusty, bent, old bird cage and set it by the pulpit. Eyebrows 
were raised and as if in response, Pastor Thomas began to speak . . .

"I was walking through town yesterday when I 
saw a young boy coming toward me swinging this bird cage. On the bottom of the 
cage were three little wild birds, shivering with cold and fright.

I stopped the lad and asked, "What do you have 
there, son?"

"Just some old birds," came the reply. 

"What are you going to do with them?" I asked.  


"Take 'em home and have fun with 'em," he 
answered. "I'm gonna tease 'em and pull out their feathers to make 'em fight. 
I'm gonna have a real good time."

"But you'll get tired of those birds sooner or 
later. What will you do then?"

"Oh, I've got some cats," said the little boy. 
"They like birds. I'll take 'em to them." 

The pastor was silent for a moment. "How much 
do you want for those birds, son?"

"Huh?! Why, you don't want them birds, mister. 
They're just plain old field birds. They don't sing. They ain't even pretty!" 

"How much?" the pastor asked again.

The boy sized up the pastor as if he were crazy 
and said,"Ten dollars?" 

The pastor reached in his pocket and took out a 
ten dollar bill. He placed it in the boy's hand. In a flash, the boy was gone. 
The pastor picked up the cage and gently carried it to the end of the alley 
where there was a tree and a grassy spot. Setting the cage down, he opened the 
door, and by softly tapping the bars, persuaded the birds out, setting them 
free.

So, that explained the empty bird cage on the 
pulpit, and then the pastor began to tell another story.

One day Satan and Jesus were having a 
conversation. Satan had just come from the Garden of Eden, and he was gloating 
and boasting.

"Yes, sir, I just caught a world full of people 
down there. Set me a trap, used bait I knew they couldn't resist. Got 'em all!"

"What are you going to do with them?" Jesus 
asked.

Satan replied,"Oh, I'm gonna have fun! I'm 
gonna teach them how to marry and divorce each
other, how to hate and abuse each other, how to 
drink and smoke and curse. I'm gonna teach them how to invent guns and bombs 
and kill each other. I'm really gonna have fun!"

"And what will you do when you are done with 
them?" Jesus asked.

"Oh, I'll kill 'em," Satan glared proudly.

"How much do you want for them?" Jesus asked.

"Oh, you don't want those people. They ain't no 
good. Why, you'll take them and they'll just hate you. They'll spit on you, 
curse you and kill you. You don't want those people!"

"How much? Jesus asked again.

Satan looked at Jesus and sneered, "All your 
blood, tears and your life."

Jesus said, "DONE!"

Then Jesus paid the price.

The pastor picked up the cage and walked from 
the pulpit. 




I pray that everyone who sends this on, God 
will bless in a special way.

If you have read this far then you will know 
that I prayed for you today. . .

whether you send this on or not!  God bless 
you!   




























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KR> keg

[Charles Burkholder]

What meaningless lives. Beer required in order to have a good time 
especially around airplanes and their pilots!! Airplanes are piles of fun 
without that life ruining stuff.
Quite frankly I'm getting quite sick of all this 'root beer' talk.
Cheers,

Charles Burkholder




- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Langford" <n5...@hiwaay.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: KR> keg


> A Keg of Amber would be great as long as it will get drank, but would be a
> waste if it is not drank up.

I'm confident that if you bring it, it will be disposed of.  Put a donation
can nearby and it will be paid for.  Everybody bring your favorite mug, or
somebody bring some plastic cups, and we'll all be happy and leave a much
smaller footprint on the airport trash situation...

Mark Langford
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KR> YouTube - R22-12 year old training

[Charles Burkholder]

One lucky child. Can I learn to know you better???:-)
Cheers,

Charles Burkholder




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From: "Dave Dunwoodie" <ddunw...@fnwusers.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:51 PM
Subject: KR> YouTube - R22-12 year old training


Seriously OFF TOPIC, but I thought everybody would enjoy this.  The
video is of my 12 year old granddaughter learning to fly helicopters.

She flies with the best heli instructor in the U.S.

She's bankrupting me, but I'd gladly do it again!

Now, at age 14, she flies not only the R22, but the R44, our Piper
Warrior II, the Remos, the new Cessna LSA, and just about anything else
she can get her hands on!  So, to make life a challenge for her, now she
has to master a tail-dragger KR2!!

The video was made at E66 and 65G, where we will have the fly-in the
weekend after Labor Day.

Dave.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5H3JtVcMRE




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KR> RE: Bob Hoover

[Charles Burkholder]

Is this the Bob Hoover with the famous Commander  & P-51 airshows?
Cheers,

Charles Burkholder




- Original Message - 
From: <robert7...@aol.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 2:05 PM
Subject: KR> RE: Bob Hoover


Thought I would past this on from the VW engine list.

Bob Hoover (VW Guru) pasted away over the weekend. Definitely one of my
hero's. Always a bit of an attitude with tons of knowledge that he pasted on
to  a great following of VW engine builders.

Rob Schmitt
N1852Z



1a.
_bob hoover _
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AirVW/message/15220;_ylc=X3oDMTJyODB1cHUxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzI4NzAxMjQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1Nzg2MDgzBG1zZ0
lkAzE1MjIwBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyODE5NTEyNDk-)
Posted by: "UttNutHut" _uttnuth...@iglide.net _
(mailto:uttnuth...@iglide.net?Subject= Re:bob%20hoover)   _scnavigator1 _
(http://profiles.yahoo.com/scnavigator1)
Sun Aug 15, 2010  2:57 pm (PDT)


Just  checked his Blog
Wife made entry that Bob passed away Aug 13 2010
May he  rest in Peace

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KR> Flight Instruction---Off subject

[Charles Burkholder]

Hey guys,

How many of you are current flight instructers? I'm 'shopping' for instructers 
and their pricing.   Email me off list

Thanx
Cheers,

Charles Burkholder

KR> KR builder or flying in my area

[Charles Brown]

High out there, is their any KR builders or planes flying in my area that I can 
take a look at? I live in Randle Wa. Draw a line between Mt Rainer, Mt Saint 
Helens and Mt Adams put a dot in the middle and you find Randle. closest 
airports are Packwood or Morton. Sense I am in the middle of Washington I can 
travel any direction. I would realy appreciate it. Happy 4th of July.

KR> bike trip

[Charles Brown]

Yes I have to agree that airplane put us all to shame that is one beautiful 
airplane and great workmanship, I looked at the pictures for hours today great 
job Robert.





From: Mark Langford 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Sat, July 3, 2010 6:11:16 PM
Subject: Re: KR> bike trip

Robert Pesak wrote:

> I just got home from a place called Hazel green Al. It's one hundred 
> fourteen miles from my home in Hermitage, Tn. I had a great time visiting 
> with everyone at Mark's airport, as I watched them build a deck onto the 
> new club house. I hope it wont be to much longer before I can fly down,but 
> I'm not complaining...The ride was great.

If y'all haven't seen Roberts photos at 
http://s449.photobucket.com/albums/qq219/rkpsk1/ , it's a real treat. 
Anybody hoping to win any KR awards at the KR Gathering would be well 
advised to do your best this year, because next year Robert's plane is going 
to win them all.  That is one gorgeous airplane and it's not even painted 
yet.  In fact, I don't think I'd paint any of the wood, since it's perfect 
like it is.  The whole thing is just plain awesome.  I plan to fly up and 
see it in person once my plane is back together.  He forgot to mention the 
Harley he was riding when he showed up, also perfect.  I was afraid he 
wouldn't have much to do while he was there, but he ended up entertaining 
everybody there...

Mark Langford
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
website at http://www.N56ML.com
 


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KR>Rotisserie

[Charles Brown]

Glenn I went done to Harber freight bought a couple cheap 750 lb engine stands 
for $35.oo each bought some steel to telescope up and down for ground clearance 
that way it can be used for fusaluge, wings and auto or aircraft engines its a 
hole lot cheaper than $1100.oo for a rotisserie. If you need I can do drawing 
of how its done.





From: Glenn Martin 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 5:13:18 AM
Subject: KR>Rotisserie

The time for (re)building N1333A has begun. The shop is almost cleaned and 
organized enough to start. The first thing I see that I am going to need to do 
is to build a rotisserie to put her onto so I can move her around and position 
her for easy repair. I will be removing the rudder and elevators. The 
turtledeck will be removed also. the the engine is off, the mount will be 
removed or kept on as required by the rotisserie (preferably removed). Does 
anyone have any plans, sketches, dimensions, and/or suggestions for the 
rotisserie? Thanks



-- 
Glenn Martin
Owner
KR2 N1333A
Biloxi, MS, 39532
rep...@martekmississippi.com


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KR> RE: vw engine cases

[Charles Brown]

 I will not use a old style case, if you use a old VW case make sure it is a 
daul relief case and use the high volume oil pressure relief springs never use 
a case without it being line bored wether for aircraft or car if going bigger 
than 1835 then for sure use a new case I prefere the aluminum case it is great 
insurance, Up in the air is not the time to second guess if done right. Vw 
engine are great engines but don't ever try to cut corners it will bite u never 
use a used or reground crank the price differents is not worth it.

--- On Fri, 5/28/10, Dan Heath  wrote:


From: Dan Heath 
Subject: RE: KR> RE: vw engine cases
To: "'KRnet'" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 3:48 PM


Buy a new one if you can.  There are only certain numbers on the old ones
that can be used.  When I had to do this many years ago, the only ones I
could find were the bad ones.  In fact, the case that cracked, turned out to
be one of the bad ones.

See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics 
See you at the 2010 - KR Gathering in Richmond, Ky - I39
There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying
has begun.
Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf
Of Fred Johnson
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 1:47 PM
To: 'KRnet'
Subject: KR> RE: vw engine cases

Has anyone had any experience rebuilding a VW with a used case?

Have you had any issues with it?

Did you line bore it?

Or am I better off with a new case?



Fred Johnson
Reno, NV






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KR> apology

[Charles Burkholder]

If that's the worse mess up in life I'd say you're doing pretty good eye?
Cheers,

Charles Burkholder






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From: <aaronm...@aol.com>
To: <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 8:45 PM
Subject: KR> apology


My apology to you.
I inadvertently sent a message to you about 7:00 PM that  should have been
addressed to Daniel Heath who is a KRnet member at < _DanRH@Windstream.net_
(mailto:da...@windstream.net)  >. I have since sent a reply to Daniel's
inquiry.
 You can ignore my email to you but it was as follows just in case you were
thinking of forwarding the reply and to wondering to whom. It is the one
that read as follows:

Daniel Heath,
  Sounds like an instrument hookup perhaps?

Parker Hannifin and Swagelox have a lot of fittings.
A possible solution may be an elbow that has a male 1/4 inch flare fitting
on one end and then flare a short 1/4 inch tube, attach with ferrule and a
"B" nut and then slide a 1/4 inch inside diameter hose over the tube.
 An aircraft instrument shop may have what you need.
 I am guessing at your application but perhaps this may be of some help.
   I did read your recommendations on replies directly to the inquirer and
I messed up and apologize. Will be a bit more careful in the future.
Aaron Martin

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KR> Off subject.

[Charles Burkholder]

Hi guys,

I'm not an aircraft owner yet so please excuse my ignorance. As an airplane 
owner are you forced to have insurance on your plane? Do you get fined etc if 
you get caught without???

Cheers,

Charles Burkholder

KR> N774A damage report

[Charles Brown]

Brad my name is Charles Brown, I have plans for retractable trigear for the KR 
if you are interested I can make copys and send to you I have help build three 
KRs and want to start on mine if the shop ever gets cleaned lol I live in the 
middle of cascade mountains in Washington state. God bless have a great day.

--- On Wed, 4/21/10, Brad Ankerstar <ankerst...@embarqmail.com> wrote:


From: Brad Ankerstar <ankerst...@embarqmail.com>
Subject: KR> N774A damage report
To: "Krnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Wednesday, April 21, 2010, 5:09 AM


On 14 April at 2:10 pm, N774A hit the ground at about 75 mph after I
realized it was falling out of the sky.  I had flown a reasonably decent
pattern and was headed right for the numbers but the airspeed read 80.  As I
applied power to arrest the sink, I hit the ground and bounced.  When I hit
again, the gear collapsed and I became a sled.  Stayed on the runway and,
even though everything that wasn't fastened down flew all over the cockpit,
I was not injured.

The prop, of course, is kindling.  The cowl was scuffed up slightly, the
belly from the main spar forward was also significantly scuffed, and the
firewall came loose on the top and sides.  The fuel tank front mount kept
the firewall on the plane.

The landing gear was essentially undamaged.  It did not collapse, as in --
retract.  What happened was that all 8 of the nuts on the gear leg attach
bolds were stripped off.  That allowed the gear legs to fold sideways up
into the wing which prevented a second bounce.  Of course, the top skin on
each wing was pierced on both sides of the main spar.  If I was so inclined,
I could bolt the gear legs back to the spring, replace a tire that got
scuffed, and get on with the wood and glass repairs.  However, I am not so
inclined so I am now in the market for a set of Diehl tricycle gear, plus
wheels and brakes, and a prop.  A project, on the gear might be interesting.
If anyone has something you think I could use, please contact me off the net
at ankerst...@embarqmail.com.

For the record, N774A is a single place KR 2 with a 1835 cc VW. (ran good
but the revflow carb is too big)  It had a Hegy 52x44 prop which was at
34-3600 rpm for the whole flight.  Empty weight is 587 lbs and gross is 950.

I remember speeds from 65 to 135 while I orbited HAO for about 40 minutes,
trying to find the courage to try to get down.  Remember, I was doing taxi 
tests
and was no where near ready to fly --- obviously.  I pretty much wasted all 
that
time being very gentle trying to keep it in the sky when I should have been 
doing
some actual test flying.  Anyway, back to work again.  I have long thought, 
and now I'm
convinced, that these are sturdy little birds.

With a couple miracles, we will be at the next gathering.  Without miracles,
I'll drive.





Brad Ankerstar, SW Ohio
N774A, KR2



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KR> KR2S Flight Simulator

[Charles Burkholder]

Yea I downloaded the KR-2 into my FS9 but deleted it immediatly after flying 
it a bit. Awful
Charles Burkholder






The KR-1 works fine on my computer, however the KR-2 only goes 80KIAS.

Kris Leirfallom
CFI
KR-2 Builder

KR> help

[Charles W. Smith]

I have lost my KRNet password.  How do I reset it?

KR> KR2S Project Available

[Charles W. Smith]

How much?  And where is it?


- Original Message - 
From: "wilder_jeff Wilder" 
To: ; 
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 9:49 AM
Subject: RE: KR> KR2S Project Available




Randy,

I live about 45 min from you. I have a 2S that may never get done, the 
wife is wanting to turn my hanger back into a garage. I have everything to 
finish the plane..including a full panel and dual radios.

When I bought the project...I didnt have much money but had ample amounts of 
time.  Now I have money and no time; however, when I have the money and the 
time, I am just too tired to do anything with it.

Give me a call.

970 405 7478

Best regards,

Jeff W.



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KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?

[Charles W. Smith]

...politics, the virus that invades everything...



- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Knox" 
To: "'KRnet'" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:33 PM
Subject: RE: KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?


We were looking for INTELEGENCE

-Original Message-
From: krnet-bounces+larry=lebanair@mylist.net
[mailto:krnet-bounces+larry=lebanair@mylist.net] On Behalf Of
jtw...@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:22 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?


Good Grief!

Why  is there all this inane discussion, about ELTs or any other
regulations?


It's  such a simple procedure to e-mail the FAA.


Geeez . . . . . . . . .




An  ELT, in my opinion, is the same type of 'insurance'
as  motorcycle helmets on road machines and shoulder
harnesses & roll-over reinforcements in  aircraft.

I've  always figgered that anyone stooopid enough to do without these cheap
but very  effective forms of protection deserves to die.   Period.

Darwin referred to the survival of the  fittest.
Me  dear sainted Mother referred to it as, "Purification of the gene  pool."

Geez . . . . . . . .
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KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?

[Charles W. Smith]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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From: "Larry Knox" 
To: "'KRnet'" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:33 PM
Subject: RE: KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?


We were looking for INTELEGENCE

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From: krnet-bounces+larry=lebanair@mylist.net
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jtw...@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:22 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> ELT's? Yea or nay?


Good Grief!

Why  is there all this inane discussion, about ELTs or any other
regulations?


It's  such a simple procedure to e-mail the FAA.


Geeez . . . . . . . . .




An  ELT, in my opinion, is the same type of 'insurance'
as  motorcycle helmets on road machines and shoulder
harnesses & roll-over reinforcements in  aircraft.

I've  always figgered that anyone stooopid enough to do without these cheap
but very  effective forms of protection deserves to die.   Period.

Darwin referred to the survival of the  fittest.
Me  dear sainted Mother referred to it as, "Purification of the gene  pool."

Geez . . . . . . . .
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KR> Questions.....

[Charles Burkholder]

thanx I was just curious  and didn't really think thru the hurdles
charles
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To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Questions.


At 08:51 PM 2/1/2010, you wrote:
>Is the the kr a stable docile airplane? WOuld it make a good
>training airplane or not? Easy to fly?
>Your advice would be greatly appreciated.
>Charles B
++


I'll add to the comment or two already made.

Yes, the KR is an "easy to fly" airplane if the pilot is competent in
an aircraft with the flying qualities of a KR.  That being light on
the controls and very maneuverable.

Building a KR and then expecting to get your pilot license in it is
not the route to go unless you can overcome some obstacles.

1. Your KR will need a 40 hour  test phase flown off before you can
carry a passenger. Who will do that?
2.  It will be difficult to find an instructor that will give
instruction in a home built / experimental.
3.  Will your KR , with two on board, have flying qualities suitable
for instruction?
4.  Will your KR have controls set up to be an acceptable trainer?
5.  Insurance? for flight training?

Your best route is build your KR and, when the project is nearing
completion, work on getting your license the normal route.  Find a
flying club or similar to cut cost of training.  Have someone
competent make the first several flights on the KR to insure it is
performing properly.  Get some time in a similar flying aircraft,
check yourself out in the KR, and finish flying off the 40 hours.

The KR is not a "hard to fly" airplane.  In fact, I find it to be one
of the most enjoyable flying airplanes I've flown in 1300+ hours of
flight time.  Any "competent" pilot that knows and respects it's
flying qualities will have no trouble flying a KR.

Good luck..

Larry Flesner


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KR> Questions.....

[Charles Burkholder]

Is the the kr a stable docile airplane? WOuld it make a good training airplane 
or not? Easy to fly? 
Your advice would be greatly appreciated.
Charles B 

KR> Off Subject

[Charles Burkholder]

thanx guys
- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Flesner" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Off Subject


At 04:38 PM 1/19/2010, you wrote:
>Here ya go . . . http://vb.taylorcraft.org/
+++


That address seems to be broke but do a google search
using  taylorcraft.org and it will get you there.

Larry Flesner


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KR> Off Subject

[Charles Burkholder]

Do any of you guys know if there's a .net for taylorcraft airplanes???
Charles

KR> KR for sale

[Charles Burkholder]

Does it come w/ the engine??? I assume not w/ that low price.
Charles Burkholder
Bancroft, Ont.
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To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 11:44 AM
Subject: KR> KR for sale


anyone intrested in a KR2 , mostly finished but needs the engine install 
finished and paint.
I'll never get her done. I paid $5,500.00 . .  I'll take 3,500.00.

I'll be listing it on Barnstormers soon.
Thanks
Bobby Burington



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KR> new photo

[Charles Burkholder]

Could you put the picture on the net. I don't have access to it.
Thanx
Charles Burkholder
Bancroft, Ont
Future KR owner.
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From: "Mark Langford" <n5...@hiwaay.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Cc: "Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft" <corvaircr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 9:27 PM
Subject: KR> new photo


NetHeads,

I'm always bragging about how cool my wife is, and here's another example. 
I was out flying last Saturday taking sunset pictures and just basically 
goofing around for an hour or so, and later took some more pictures for my 
wife of some things she was selling on ebay.  I put the day's pictures on 
the computer and pointed her at them and went about my business.  Tonight I 
was looking through them and came across one that I got a real kick out of, 
taken while turning downwind for landing, and it occured to me that she'd 
obviously seen it and was not concerned in the least, and certainly not 
enough to say anything to me about it.  Before I show it to you, you'll need 
the sound effects.YEHA!   It's at 
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/misc/0912141948m.jpg .  And no, she doesn't 
have a sister...

Mark Langford
N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
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KR> gross weight?

[Charles Burkholder]

This is a little off of the subject but do any of you guys do aerobatics in 
your KRs? Seems they'd be capable w/ that g-rating.
Charles Burkholder
Bancroft, Ont.

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Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: KR> gross weight?


Larry,

All small airplanes (under 6000 pounds) certificated under Part 23 are
certified to 3.8g.

Tony Wright



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KR> CC#16

[Charles Burkholder]

What speed were you cruising at. just curious
Charles Burkholder
Bancroft, Ontario
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Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 6:22 PM
Subject: KR> CC#16


Hey Guys,
Just a quick note to let everyone know that I made it home fine with N357CJ. 
I had a great time this year and was able to do a little sight seeing just 
for myself. The trip to Florida with Chris and Dan was entertaining. I also 
can report that the demonstrated cross wind landing capabilitiy of a KR2S is 
18 gusting to 27 and I did not have to go back to the runway to pick up 
parts either. Departure was even more thrilling, My mom asked me on the way 
to the airport this morning if I was scared -  I said no, anxious- If I was 
scared I wouldn't be going. I didn't really check actual wind speed this 
morning but it sure felt like 20 gust to 30 @ 75cross.
Anyway, Thanks to everyone that I met and to William, Grace, And especially 
Ed for putting up with us. I will try to remember names and hope to see more 
flyers soon. I loved the building of my plane and engine but I am living the 
dream of a child now and revel in it everyday. I hope that there are more 
out there like me that are working hard now.
The short of the trip is another 15 hours on 357CJ pushing the total over 
450  hrs. and well over 2000 miles this weekend.
Blue skies,
Joe Horton,
Coopersburg, Pa.

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KR> Gathering 2010

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

Dan,
I heard it wound up in Spokane, Washington.
Bud Midkiff
Lynnwood, WA

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Heath" 

I wonder if we could talk Marty or Dan Diehl into hosting one?  I sure would
like to see them again, even tho they don't have KR's anymore.  Anybody know
what happened to Marty's KR after it was sold?

KR> RE: KR-1 Plans Available

[Charles Brown]

This is Charles Brown I hope this mike guy has a lot of money because Jeannette 
can sue the pants off this guy for copy right violation I can't beleave people 
can be so stupid not to check copy right laws before trying  something like 
this mike guy has done. Im sorry but I hate people like that it irritates me to 
know end. I haven't started on my KR because when Ken sent my KR 1 plans in 
1974 they were not numbered I still have the original green covered book with 
the 3% angle prop hub for $ 25 so you know they are old plans.





From: "sidney.w...@l-3com.com" <sidney.w...@l-3com.com>
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:57:55 AM
Subject: KR> RE: KR-1 Plans Available

>...is someone trying to down load plans without  buying them or
something. If so I agree with you I have had my plans sence 1974...
-

My reading from the Copyright Office website indicates the KR plans
copyright may expire on December 31, 2047.
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap3.html
Copies of the plans sets were sold prior to 1978 and would be considered
as commercialized intellectual property with a repose of 70 years from
January 1, 1978.  Rand Robinson Engineering would be the legal owner of
that intellectual property. 
The previous assertion by Mike, that the KR series plans are in the
public domain, is wishful thinking on his part. 

Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD, USA

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KR> KR-1 Plans Available

[Charles Brown]

What is going on, my enternet has been down for a day and I come on and her 
things going on, is someone trying to down load plans without  buying them or 
something. If so I agree with you I have had my plans sence 1974 and really 
need to update them. someone wants something for nothing I don't agree. Ken 
Rand was a great man have enough respect to buy the plans the right way.





From: Phillip Matheson 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:02:36 AM
Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Plans Available

Mike, I can only wish 2 things happen to you for this action:
---
I also have used Rand/Roberson a number of times and have not had any 
problem by just sending the money and wait.

I think you have done the wrong thing also.

Phil Matheson
SAAA Ch. 20  http://www.saaa20.org/
VH-PKR
Australia

EMAIL:  phillipmathe...@bigpond.com
KR Web Page: www.philskr2.50megs.com


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KR> airplanes,designs

[Charles Brown]

I have been reading what you guys been talking about own designs and airplanes, 
KR-2s
  When I was In highschool I had talked to Ken Rand about building a twin 
engine as I have been
always in love with twin engine aircraft, I bought a set of plans from Ken way 
back in mid 70's and still
have them.I think I paid $25 KR-1 then I joined the Army and helped a friend 
build one then I got the 
news Ken was killed. I was stationed in Alaska. He kind of inspired me in 
aviation,I was a crazy teen-
ager. I have helped build a couple KRs.I was told that someone had built a twin 
KR but was unstable
don't know if true or not.
  I have worked on a design to build a twin KR with 1835 vw engines. If not for 
Ken I would not got in to aviation, the love he had for aviation I can't 
explain, I only talked to him three times but great talks, I am still 
hooked on the twin KR idea. I stayed in the Army for eight and half years to 
learn what I could about aviation
I was a mechanic on CH47 Chinook helicopters then worked for Alaska Airlines 
(sea tac), I worked for Columbia Helicopters and Everts Airfuel ( Cargo 
express) in Fairbanks Ak, I worked on DC-6s, C46s,
and a old Caribue aircraft I love old roundy round engine wasp 2800s and 2000s. 
Well I have talked enough.
  My name is Charles L. Brown. you all have a great day.

KR> ebay

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

Here's another one in Spokane on eBay. Item # 330311574378

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KR-2-Experimental-aircraft-low-time-hangered-nice-plane_W0QQitemZ330311574378QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMotors_Aircraft?hash=item330311574378&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A317%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Bud Midkiff
Lynnwood, WA

- Original Message - 
From: "John Gotschall" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: KR> ebay





h..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KR2-Tri-gear-2-place-experimental-aircraft_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1171Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a0Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem180333484621QQitemZ180333484621QQptZMotorsQ5fAircraft


jg




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KR> Where is this KR

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

Hi Steve,
Say, seeing your on here, I've always been curious if Mike Garbez ever sold his 
type 4 rear drive KR. And, if so what it's status is , if you know. The N # 
998MG look-up still lists it under his name. That was one good looking KR!
Thanks,
Bud Midkiff
Lynnwood, WA
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  From: STEVE bennett 
  To: krnet 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 2:30 PM
  Subject: KR> (no subject)



  Hi all, we have the gear legs as used on Troys KR-2 back again.  Originally 
the lower leg bent to only 25 degrees as they broke in the upper bend.  The 
lower leg is now bent to 50 degrees.  If you want to see them, go to our web 
site, gpasc.com and click on the Garage Sale! Mark, keep the sunset photos 
coming, there always a pleasure to look at.Steve bennettifly...@msn.com
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KR> Emailing: rkpsk1 - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

Robert,
Very nice looking project and I like that yellow Harley in a couple of those 
pictures also.
Bud Midkiff
Lynnwood, WA

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From: "Robert K. Pesak" 
To: "Robert k Pesak" ; "KRnet" 
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 10:56 AM
Subject: KR> Emailing: rkpsk1 - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting


> http://s449.photobucket.com/albums/qq219/rkpsk1/?firstLogin=true

KR> KR-2 N147S - For Sale and looking for information

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

Oops, yes, I meant Kevin Kelly. Jerry Robinson's, N147S, was also featured 
in an early KR Newsletter when those were being published.
Bud Midkiff
Lynnwood, WA
email: c.midk...@verizon.net

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From: "Mark Langford" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: KR> KR-2 N147S - For Sale and looking for information


Bud Midkiff wrote:

> He was an Attorney in the area. He used to be good buddies with Steve
> Kelly
> and I have many pictures of his KR2 flying with Steve's KR100 in Yakima.

I think you mean Kevin Kelly.  He's the guy that designed and built the
KR100, and drew up some of the RR plans drawings.

Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL
mail: N56ML "at" hiwaay.net
website: www.N56ML.com


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KR> KR-2 N147S - For Sale and looking for information

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Porter" 
To: "'KRnet'" 
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 10:24 PM
Subject: KR> KR-2 N147S - For Sale and looking for information


I've recently joined the KRnet after our non-profit organization received a
donation of a KR-2 (N147S serial number 2079). I'm told this particular KR-2
won first prize at Oshkosh some years back.


Michael,
This KR2 originated in Yakima, Washington. The builder was Jerry Robinson. 
He was an Attorney in the area. He used to be good buddies with Steve Kelly 
and I have many pictures of his KR2 flying with Steve's KR100 in Yakima. At 
that time it had a revmaster in it and when he converted to the continental 
I  traded a set of fixed aluminum main gear to him for his prop. He was also 
selling plans for his version of canopy which I bought, but never used.

The info below is not KR related, but figured some of my KR friends might 
want to know.

Bud Midkiff
Lynnwood, WA

Ps. I've been out of circulation for months and probably will be for many 
more months as I had a head on collision with a car while riding my Harley 
home from work back in May. A lady turned left in front of me with about one 
car length of warning.  http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/buddymidkiff 

KR> RE: Revflow carb for 1835 VW

[charles reeves]

My KR-2 with Revmaster 2100D uses the Revflow carb with tappered mixture 
needle has to manufactured/matched to the engine displacement.  When I 
changed to the new heavy duty big valve heads I had to have Joe at Revmaster 
send me a new needle.  He may be able to help you with the POSA.
Charlie
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From: "Joe Beyer" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:48 AM
Subject: KR> RE: Revflow carb for 1835 VW


I have a 29mm Posa Super Carb. On my 1641cc VW and have a similar situation.
When I adjust the linkage so the slide opens all the way the engine quits. I
have the throttle stop set so when the maximum rpm is reached the slide is
about 90% open. Once I tried to adjust it out so I could get wide open
throttle by changing the needle to a more rich setting. On take off when I
was climbing out and had ram air the engine lost power and only regained
power when I came back on the throttle. I flew the pattern and landed, then
put the old needle back in and reset the throttle stop back to 90%. It works
well now the way it is.

-Joe

Scappoose Ore.


> I have an 1835 VW with a 34mm Revflow carb and a 52x47 prop.
> I ran it the other day and reached peak RPM at about 2/3ds
> throttle.  More throttle killed the engine.  I asked Joe
> Horvath about it and he replied :
>
> "A 34mm carb for an 1835cc engine is extremely large.  The
> air flow that the engine needs is considerably less than what
> a 34 will flow.  Therefore, you may reach max engine rpm of
> 3200 with partial throttle, but the mixture may be rich.
>   Trying to tune a 34mm carb to the 1835cc engine will
> not be easy. ."
>
> Apparently I would be better off with a smaller carburator.
>
> If anyone out ther has a 30 or 32mm revflow they would like
> to sell or trade, contact me off list (ankerst...@embarqmail.com).
>
> Brad Ankerstar, SW Ohio
> N774A, KR2R, almost there.
> 513 932-2514


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KR> pic of plane crash

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

Dave,
If you search the archives at Maddyhome and type in William Walsh, there are 
a number of emails regarding his crash landing here in Washington State. He 
did have some pictures on his web site, but it appears they have since been 
removed. There are still a few pictures of his plane though. 
http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/ru4flying/my_photos

Bud Midkiff
Lynnwood, WA

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From: "Dave Arbogast, CISSP" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: KR> pic of plane crash


> I'd like any info / pics on this too...
>
> -dave
>
> Lee Van Dyke wrote:
>
>>Netters,
>>
>>I believe it was last spring I recall looking at photos of a KR2 that 
>>flipped over.  The nose gear collapsed and the plane flipped over, the 
>>pilot was OK, just some tail and canopy damage.  I thank it was in WA
>>
>>E-mail off line
>>
>>Lee Van Dyke
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KR> MIT Engine

[Charles Kilkenny]

Maybe the 200 mph will be here soon.

http://www.technologyreview.com/Energy/18304/
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KR> RR Wing skins

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

James,
I had a set of RR wing skins and when I talked to J. Rand, she told me to 
follow the KR2S plans, which also includes a urethane foam extension to the 
wing spars. She also said that the Dan Diehl video and his instructions on 
his web site would be very useful. Her main warning was to use epoxy because 
the pre-molded wingskins were made with epoxy. Diehl wingskins were made 
with vinyl ester resin, so he say use vinyl ester to attach his skins. J. 
Rand cautioned against using vinyl ester resin on her wingskins. The only RR 
wingskins I've seen installed were on Dan Gribler's KR2S, which I've 
included a link below.

http://www.diehlaero.com/

 http://www.gribler.com

Bud Midkiff
Lynnwood, WA




  I have a set of Rand Robinson wing skins that I would like to use on my 
project, the problem is I do not have any instructions. I contacted RR and 
was told to just use the Diehl installation instructions. My understanding 
is that these are two very different wing skin kits. Any input and/or help 
would be appreciated.
  James Dunn
  Alberta, Canada

KR> Ellison EFS-3A now hardware

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

There is also a lot of metal hardware on eBay, made by the late Cary 
Anderson of Lite Flite Hardware. Might save a person a bunch of time in 
fabricating the parts. The item number is 320069313771 . There is one day 19 
hrs left and the starting bid is $45.00. All of my hardware on my KR2 was 
from Lite Flite and was outstanding quality.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem=011=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT==320069313771=1=1

Bud Midkiff
Lynnwood, WA


> This auction for a brand new never installed Ellison carb ends tomorrow. 
> This could be a great deal for someone.
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ellison-Throttle-Body-EFS-3A_W0QQitemZ170068550209QQihZ007QQcategoryZ26439QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)

KR> Lost Medical_Parting Out

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

Hi Bryan,
I have sold quite a bit of the stuff I had for sale, but there is still a 
lot left. I have a prop, type 1 engine, kr2 forward deck and turtle deck, 
kr2 pre-molded header tank, and the fuselage ( for local pickup). I have a 
number of small items also, if I knew what your in need of. I removed most 
of the items that are sold from my website.

Bud Midkiff  KR2 Stretched
Lynnwood, WA
email:   c.midk...@verizon.net
my webpages:  http://mysite.verizon.net/res18ums/index.html


- Original Message - 
From: "Bryan Valentine" 
To: "'KRnet'" 
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:34 PM
Subject: RE: KR> Lost Medical_Parting Out


> Greetings BudHope all is well with you,  I have been out of the
> picture for a while, and know attempting to get caught up,  Any way
> wondering what if anything you still have to sell.  I no longer have 
> access
> to your web site (lost the address) so I was unable to check that way.
> If you get a chance drop me a quick note.
> Thanks in advance Bryan Valentine (Duncan Vancouver Island)
>
>
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KR> KR 2 for sale

[Charles Kilkenny]

On E-Bay
Item number: 160067612845   
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C K

KR> KR 2 for sale

[Charles Kilkenny]

KR 2 for sale on ebay, #250058929095in Demotte, Indiana
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C K

KR> Pitch sensitivity

[Charles Burgoon]

Isn't stick height a factor as well?  I have a very tall non-tilting stick, 
with a chain drive pivoting handle.  It would seem to be less pichy feeling.  A 
lot more stick movement is required for the same control surface deflection in 
my case.  Better?  I do not know.  Different? Yes. Also it allows for more leg 
room, since the stick does not tilt, only the stick handle does.

> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 10:37:58 -0500> From: da...@alltel.net> To: 
> kr...@mylist.net> Subject: KR> Pitch sensitivity> > This has been a major 
> topic of discussion over the years. My first KR was > pitch sensitive", 
> however this KR is no more "pitch sensitive" than the RVs> that I was able to 
> fly, prior to my first flight in this KR. I really think> it has A LOT to do 
> with getting the WB forward enough to keep you off the> teeter totter. But 
> then, maybe it is just because I had some prior> experience. But I don't 
> think so.> > This KR is rock solid, will fly hands off, and it is a stock KR2 
> with the> engine forward 2". > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then 
> click on the pics > See you at the 2007 - KR Gathering> There is a time for 
> building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying> has begun.> Daniel R. 
> Heath - Lexington, SC> ---Original Message---> > My friend told ,me i 
> would kill myself in this airplane because it would be> pitch sensivity and I 
> sold it. > > he taxied it for 10 hours before he flew it to get the feel for 
> pitch, its a good idea. > ___> Search the 
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KR> KR-2 for sale - Moving to China for 3-4 years

[Charles Burgoon]

I have a tri-cycle KR-2 with around 250 hrs TT. It has a Rev Master 2100.  I 
bought it several months ago, but have not flown it yet due to the lack of time 
to work it.  The seat configuration would not work for me.  Flat bottom, no 
head room.  Needs seats and interior, but I have the seat that was in it for a 
small guy.  It needs to have the pitch trim handle relocated and mounted.  I am 
leaving in 2-3 weeks.  I have $7500 in it.  I don't know if that good or bad.  
I would like to get my money back out of it, rather pay to let it sit in a 
hanger for the next four years.

Chuck Burgoon
713-775-5996
Baytown (Houston), Texas

KR> Shipping Engines

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

I have a couple engines complete with accessories for sale. A type 1 and a 
type 4.  My question has to do with the best way to crate and ship these 
when the time comes. My thought was to secure them to a small pallet and 
then box them in. I'm sure open for any suggestions though. Maybe I should 
check with Steve Bennett also.


 Bud Midkiff  KR2 Stretched
 Lynnwood, WA
 email:   c.midk...@verizon.net
 my webpages:  http://mysite.verizon.net/res18ums/index.html


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KR> Iowa KR2

[Charles Kilkenny]

Iowa KR2 on E-Bay -- Item number: 190045782976  

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C$K

KR> Air Ducts - was: oil cooler mounting

[Charles Burgoon]

I have this same ugly air scoop on mine.  I have a TG, and have not flown it 
yet.  How does it cool?  I would like a better looking cowl eventually.  BTW, 
How do you deal with the distributer sticking up?  I have seen photos of a 
lower profile configuration.

Chuck



> From: k...@bigpond.com> To: kr...@mylist.net> Subject: RE: KR> Air Ducts - 
> was: oil cooler mounting> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 14:57:13 +1000> > Hi Phil> > 
> My Original engine setup had an air scoop on top and I would not recommend> 
> it.> > The KR2 has limited vision over the top of the cowlling and the air 
> scoop> makes it much worse, when taxiing I could see nothing in front with 
> the air> scoop.> > Regards> Barry Kruyssen> Cairns, Australia> 
> k...@bigpond.com> http://www.users.bigpond.com/kr2/kr2.htm> > > -Original 
> Message-> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net 
> [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf> Of Phil Matheson> Sent: 
> Wednesday, 6 September 2006 2:42 PM> What would cause less drag, air intake 
> in the front ducted to oil cooler Air> ducts in the side of the cowl Air duct 
> or Car type scope on the top of the> cowl feeding the oil cooler??> > > 
> Phillip Matheson> > > ___> Search the 
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KR> Lost Medical_Parting Out

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

Seeing that it's Friday, I thought I'd re-post this KR parts For Sale 
information. The link below will take you to my website where you'll find a For 
Sale Tab to click on. I have marked the few item which are no longer available. 
If I don't have it listed, but you see it somewhere on the site, just let me 
know off line what you're interested in. 
Thanks,
Bud




KR Community,
I have prolonged the inevitable for over a year now, hoping things would 
improve, but have come to the realization that getting a waiver on my medical 
is next to impossible. I have several chronic conditions now and the 
medications they have me on are on the FAA's hit list.

So, with deep regret and sadness, I have decided the best way for me, is to 
part this project out. Yesterday I posted a For Sale page on my website, with a 
partial list of some of the stuff available, with a few pictures. Check it out 
and if you see anything of interest and need more information just email me 
offline and I can provide more info or pictures if needed.

I want to make these available first to the KR community and then, if 
necessary, I'll advertise them on Ebay or Barnstormers. 


Bud Midkiff  KR2 Stretched
Lynnwood, WA  
email:   c.midk...@verizon.net
my webpages:  http://mysite.verizon.net/res18ums/index.html

KR> Fuselage weight question

[Charles Burgoon]

Did they see this on the P-51?  Or did they do an engine swap along with the 
redesign?

> From: riksh...@interl.net> To: kr...@mylist.net> Subject: Re: KR> Fuselage 
> weight question> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:41:42 -0500> > I also agree with 
> Mark from my exp. in Cessna 150's. The older ones, say '61 modles and B-4, 
> were faster that the newer ones with the "Bubble Cabin" with the same 100 hp. 
> Continental Engine.> > Don> 
> >
>  > > - Original Message - > From: "Fred Johnson" 
> > To: "'KRnet'" > Sent: Tuesday, 
> October 24, 2006 2:42 PM> Subject: RE: KR> Fuselage weight question> > > >I 
> agree with Mark, look at the RV4 series and the Harmon Rocket> > > > Fred 
> Johnson> > Product Manager> > T.E. West, LLC.> > > > -Original 
> Message-> > From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net 
> [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On> > Behalf Of Mark Langford> > Sent: 
> Tuesday, October 24, 2006 11:03 AM> > To: KRnet> > Subject: Re: KR> Fuselage 
> weight question> > > > Red wrote:> > > >> My question is, Has anyone tried to 
> reduce (lower) the> >> turtledeck in size...i.e. more like the KR1? It seems> 
> >> logical that you should be able to lower the taper,> >> give more bubble 
> effect (increase rearward visibility)> >> from the canopy and reduce weight?> 
> > > > Reducing the taper to resemble a bubble will cost you in performance 
> in> > the > > form of drag on the back of the canopy. That's probably why the 
> KR2> > went to > > the straight turtledeck. And plexiglas is probably heavier 
> than your > > average turtledeck material per square foot.> > > > Mark 
> Langford, Huntsville, Alabama> > see KR2S project N56ML at 
> http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford> > email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net > > > > > 
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KR> Lost Medical_Parting Out

[Charles Burgoon]

What kind of Part 103 ultralight are you going to get?

Chuck



> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:19:14 -0700> From: c.midk...@verizon.net> To: 
> kr...@mylist.net> Subject: KR> Lost Medical_Parting Out> > KR Community,> I 
> have prolonged the inevitable for over a year now, hoping things would 
> improve, but have come to the realization that getting a waiver on my medical 
> is next to impossible. I have several chronic conditions now and the 
> medications they have me on are on the FAA's hit list.> > So, with deep 
> regret and sadness, I have decided the best way for me, is to part this 
> project out. Yesterday I posted a For Sale page on my website, with a partial 
> list of some of the stuff available, with a few pictures. Check it out and if 
> you see anything of interest and need more information just email me offline 
> and I can provide more info or pictures if needed.> > I want to make these 
> available first to the KR community and then, if necessary, I'll advertise 
> them on Ebay or Barnstormers. > > > Bud Midkiff KR2 Stretched> Lynnwood, WA > 
> email: c.midk...@verizon.net> my webpages: 
> http://mysite.verizon.net/res18ums/index.html> 
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KR> For sale

[Charles Kilkenny]

Hi KR's,

AR kit for sale $2,000

http://www.barnstormers.com/cat.php?mode=search--
C$K

KR> AC Spruce vs Wicks

[Charles Burgoon]

Hi Bart Ferguson of Houston:

I also live in Houston with a KR-2.  Give me a call if you get a chance.

Chuck Burgoon
713-775-5996



> Subject: RE: KR> AC Spruce vs Wicks> Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:22:23 -0500> 
> From: mjo...@muellersales.com> To: gsxr...@houston.rr.com; kr...@mylist.net> 
> CC: > > Bart,> Probably the only way to get a real definitive answer is to 
> call both> Wicks and AS and ask them for a breakdown of what is included in 
> those> kits and then do a comparison. Obviously they are not apples to 
> apples.> > Mark Jones (N886MJ)> Wales, WI> Web site: www.flykr2s.com> 
> Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com> > > -Original Message-> From: 
> krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On> Behalf Of Bart 
> Ferguson> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 1:57 PM> To: 
> kr2coo...@earthlink.net; KRnet> Subject: Re: KR> AC Spruce vs Wicks> > > This 
> is a little confusing trying to budget things for getting started.> > Wicks 
> Spruce Kit KR2S-001 $930.35> > AS KR-1 $725.81>   KR-2 $866.91>   
> KR-2S $753.11> > First thing is why would the cost for the stretched kit be 
> less than for> the plain 2 version at AS? There is an obvious cost difference 
> between> the two. Does this mean one kit is boat and tail vs. one that 
> includes> spar material? What exactly comes with the first spruce kit? Would 
> the> first spruce kit and a gallon of T-88 be all that is needed to get> 
> started after buying plans? Looking to get construction underway this> fall 
> and forward to asking real building questions for a change.> > Bart Ferguson> 
> Houston, TX> > PS - I'm already starting to hate sanding.> > 
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KR> Flight question.

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

Monica,
Sorry to bother you again date would be either 9th or the 16th of Sept..
 Cheryl M.
- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Jones" 
To: "KR Net (E-mail)" 
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 11:48 AM
Subject: KR> Flight question.


> This is a Friday question since the Net is so quiet.
>
> KR A and KR B are flying across the United States from coast to coast. 
> They both are on an identical 2700 nm airway flying in opposite 
> directions. KR A is eastbound at 100 knots and KR B is westbound at 130 
> knots. Which KR will be closer to the west coast when they pass each 
> other?
>
> Mark Jones (N886MJ)
> Wales, WI
> Web site: www.flykr2s.com
> Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com
>
>
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KR> Brake suggestions?

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

Hi Dennis,
I bought my brakes from Tracy O'Brien. They are of excellent quality and 
reasonably priced. They fit fairly flush in the special wheels he sells with 
them. He is very helpful if you call him or email him. You might want to 
check these out in your search for replacements.

http://www.tracyobrien.com/

Sincerely,
Bud Midkiff
Lynnwood, WA
email: c.midk...@verizon.net
my webpage:  http://mysite.verizon.net/res18ums/index.html






> I'm looking of suggestions for a brake replacement.  > Dennis Dyer
> Pine, CO

KR> First Flight

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

Hi Dan,
Best wishes on that maiden flight. I'm sure you'll do just fine. But I'm 
going to say a prayer for you anyway. We need all the help we can get.
Bud Midkiff
Lynnwood, WA
email: c.midk...@verizon.net
my webpage:  http://mysite.verizon.net/res18ums/index.html


- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Heath" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 2:09 PM
Subject: KR> First Flight


>I am shooting to take the leap early Saturday morning. 

KR> RE: KR2 Reversing Throttle

[Charles Burgoon]

Hi Phil:

Yours is a reversing throttle.  A non-reversing is a simple push handle or when 
the attachment is above the pivot point rather than below.  I am switching my 
Revmaster from non-reversing to reversing for shorter/straighter/simpler cable 
routing, more leverage,  and smoother operation.  I purchased 4 types from a 
warehouse yesterday to see which I like the best.  

Regards,

Chuck



> To: kr...@mylist.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:24:04 -0400> Subject: Re: KR> 
> RE: KR2 Reversing Throttle> From: virg...@juno.com> > The original 
> message did not come through to me.> Therefore , VirgTHX> > On Wed, 
> 19 Jul 2006 08:35:47 +1000 "Phil Matheson">  writes:> 
> > Virg wrote> > Virg ???> > ---> > Not sure 
> what your email means, but I'll take a shot.> > > > My throttle quadrant 
> pivot point is in the centre of the lever, so > > when you> > push throttle  
> forward, the lever pulls on the cable ( not push ) to > > open> > the 
> throttle.> > > > Phillip Matheson> > 0408665880 (cell)> > VHPKR> > 
> Australia.> > mathes...@dodo.com.au> > NEW WEB PAGE> > 
> www.philskr2.50megs.com> > > > http://www.vw-engines.com/> > OLD WEB PAGE> > 
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html> > > > > > > > 
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> a message to krnet-le...@mylist.net> > please see other KRnet info at 
> http://www.krnet.org/info.html> > > > > > > Virgil N. Salisbury - AMSOIL> 
> www.lubedealer.com/salisbury> Miami ,Fl> > 
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KR> Retractable no more

[Charles Burgoon]

It's done!  Retractable no more.  I feel like when I had a Vasectomy, accept 
without the discomfort.  What a pile of parts I now have.  Let's see what it 
(the pile and the plane) weighs.

Chuck

KR> Retractable no more

[Charles Burgoon]

Now that's done, I can put in a new seat bottom.  How well does Diehl's 
fiberglass dished-out seat bottom work?

> From: cburg...@msn.com> To: kr...@mylist.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 09:03:24 
> -0500> Subject: KR> Retractable no more> > It's done!  Retractable no more.  
> I feel like when I had a Vasectomy, accept without the discomfort.  What a 
> pile of parts I now have.  Let's see what it (the pile and the plane) 
> weighs.>  > Chuck> ___> Search the KRnet 
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KR> Retractable no more

[Charles Burgoon]

I actually was planning to keep the stuff in the highly unlikely event a future 
owner may want to switch it back.  I am not yet in love with the plane.  That 
will come after I fly it I hope.

Chuck



> From: l...@vandyke5.com> To: kr...@mylist.net> Subject: Re: KR> Retractable 
> no more> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:45:04 -0700> > Do you want to sell your 
> old gear???> > Lee Van Dyke> ----- Original Message - > From: "Charles 
> Burgoon" <cburg...@msn.com>> To: "krnet" <kr...@mylist.net>> Sent: Thursday, 
> July 20, 2006 7:03 AM> Subject: KR> Retractable no more> > > > It's done!  
> Retractable no more.  I feel like when I had a Vasectomy, > > accept without 
> the discomfort.  What a pile of parts I now have.  Let's > > see what it (the 
> pile and the plane) weighs.> >> > Chuck> > 
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> http://www.krnet.org/info.html> >> >> > > > > > 
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KR> Open Cockpit KR2?

[Charles Burgoon]

Is anybody flying a KR2 open cockpit with a partial canopy?  If I seal the back 
off with an extended backrest will it work, and fly right?  I would want it to 
have have interchangeable canopy depending on our miserable Houston summer 
weather.

Chuck

KR> Throttle

[Charles Burgoon]

Thanks for the info on gear and open cockpit.  I am doing the mains now before 
I take it out the first time.  The nose gear is complete.  Now I need to fill 
those big holes on the wing bottom (later).

I think I may fly it open cockpit first, and hope I don't encounter adverse 
flight characteristics.  It seems like the exposed extended seat back would 
cause a positive pitching moment.  We'll see. 

I am currently completely changing out the throttle mechanism and controls.  I 
have a Revmaster 2100.  I still have not the found the reversing throttle 
quadrant that I like.  I notice from photos several setups.  Any suggestions 
for a reversing application?  I have been though most of the catalogs.  Perhaps 
this is the additional Oshkosh trip justification I need to sway the wife.

Regards,

Chuck

KR> Throttle

[Charles Burgoon]

Hi Phillip:

Thanks, I was thinking about using a second lever for trim too.  I have to 
relocate them anyway, because the trims controls were mounted to arm rests 
which I have removed.

Regards,

Chuck



> From: mathes...@dodo.com.au> To: kr...@mylist.net> Subject: Re: KR> Throttle> 
> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:49:01 +1000> > I got a reversing unit from> 
> Aircraft Spruce Part Number 05-00960 page 153.> Works great and looks nice.> 
> It has two levers I use the Red ( mixture) for my trim lever.> The only thing 
> I did not like was the mounts so I made my own.> I drilled holes through from 
> the front to gain better access to the machine> screws I used.Now its easy to 
> remove.> You can see if on latest photo update page on my web.> Click to 
> enlarge the photo.> > www.philskr2.50megs.com> > Phillip Matheson> 0408665880 
> (cell)> VHPKR> Australia.> mathes...@dodo.com.au> NEW WEB PAGE> 
> www.philskr2.50megs.com> > http://www.vw-engines.com/> OLD WEB PAGE> 
> http://mywebpage.netscape.com/flyingkrphil/VHPKR.html> > > > 
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KR> RE: KR2 Reversing Trottle

[Charles Burgoon]

Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ 
countries) for 2¢/min or less.

KR> New to the list

[Charles Burgoon]

Hi group,

I am new to the list.  I just purchased a KR2 with retracts.  I have read about 
the gear collapses, but I am not clear if they are mostly nose gear, mains, or 
both.  Which is it?  

I have already switched my nose gear to fixed.  I am not sure if I will modify 
the mains until I start flying it, and like it.  I am really cramped and need 
to move some things around for ergonomics.

Regards,

Chuck Burgoon
Baytown (Houston) Texas

KR> New to the list

[Charles Burgoon]

Hi Mark:

Thanks for the info.  I hope to make the trip from Texas.  I am going through 
my annual justification protocol with my non-aviation loving wife.

Regards,

Chuck



> Subject: RE: KR> New to the list> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:55:54 -0500> 
> From: mjo...@muellersales.com> To: kr...@mylist.net> > Chuck,> Welcome to the 
> KR family. Glad to have you on board. The tail draggers> with retracts are 
> the ones which are prone to collapse.  You need to> make absolutely sure the 
> locking mechanism is in pristine condition. I> would highly recommend 
> converting to fixed gear. As far as nose wheel> retracts, I know of only one 
> other KR which has a retractable nose gear> and that is John Scaffer's KR2. 
> You stated you have already converted> the nose gear to fixed and that is 
> good, now just fix the mains. Are you> going to be at the Mini KR Gathering 
> and  AirVenture?> > Mark Jones (N886MJ)> Wales, WI> Web site: 
> www.flykr2s.com> Mailto:flyk...@wi.rr.com> > > -Original Message-> 
> From: krnet-bounces+flykr2s=wi.rr@mylist.net> 
> [mailto:krnet-bounces+flykr2s=wi.rr@mylist.net]On Behalf Of Charles> 
> Burgoon> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 1:32 PM> To: kr...@mylist.net> Subject: 
> KR> New to the list> > > Hi group,>  > I am new to the list.  I just 
> purchased a KR2 with retracts.  I have> read about the gear collapses, but I 
> am not clear if they are mostly> nose gear, mains, or both.  Which is it?  >  
> > I have already switched my nose gear to fixed.  I am not sure if I will> 
> modify the mains until I start flying it, and like it.  I am really> cramped 
> and need to move some things around for ergonomics.>  > Regards,>  > Chuck 
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KR> Kr machine shop in dallas?

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

Last time I talked to him was some time back and I called him at 
972-241-4387.

Bud Midkiff
Lynnwood, WA


Does anyone know what
> happened to them or how I can reach them for parts?
>
> Palmer's Kr machine shop
> David Swanson

KR> gear legs

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

Here's a cut and paste from Dan's instructions, which are located on his 
website.   http://www.diehlaero.com/ . He has underlined MUST in the 
instructions.




KR-2 LANDING GEAR INSTRUCTIONS


The composite landing gear is made from a 3-M product called Scotchply. The 
castings are made of aluminum alloy. The prototype was load tested to 2.5 
G's, 1,250 lbs. On each main gear. This resulted in a 3 1/2" flexure which 
is 75% of ultimate bending. With this information and subsequent flight 
testing, the gear was lengthened 4". The increased leg length provides more 
ground clearance. To 3/4". This has resulted in a nice springy 3 G gear. 
Also, at this same time the gear legs were beefed up, the casting thickness 
was increased by 3/32".

The Gear legs are shipped precut and the edges are chamfered. The 
taildragger conversion mounts the main gear on the forward side of the main 
spar with castings bolted on just outside the fuselage sides. The gear legs 
angle forward. The tri-gear mounts the gear legs on the aft side of the main 
spar with the legs angling back. The tail dragger version of the gear leg 
has a straight leading edge from top to bottom. The tri-gear version has a 
crook on both sides of the leg. The arrow points forward.

Four pieces of biaxial cloth are provided with each kit. This cloth must be 
put on the legs before drilling holes. The cloth runs from top to bottom of 
each leg. Follow drawings. This cloth is installed to prevent leg twist 
during touchdown and braking. After the biaxial wraps have been installed, 
the brakeline housing needs to be built. Either Epoxy or vinylester resin 
will work fine.

To enclose the brakeline, a large diameter soda straw can be "hot glued" to 
the edge of the gear leg below where it bolts to the casting. Once attached, 
two layers of fiberglass should be wrapped around the straw. This holds the 
straw in place and helps "fair the leg". (Note: On tri-gear versions, mount 
the straw on the forward side of the gear. On the tail dragger version, 
mount the straw on the aft side of the leg.

Six AN-4-32A bolts mount the main casting to the spar. Two AN-4-16A and two 
AN-4-17A bolts join the leg to main casting. The axle casting is bolted to 
the leg with four AN-4-15A bolts.

The axle is bolted to the axle casting with four AN4 bolts. (Not provided in 
kit.) The length will vary depending on the axle and type of brake 
available. Cleveland and Matco are the most common.

Bud Midkiff
Lynnwood, WA

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Heath" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: KR> gear legs


>I do believe that the Dan Diehl instructions state that the legs must be
> wrapped.  I do know that mine are wrapped.
>
> See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics
> See you in Mt. Vernon - 2006 - KR Gathering
> There is a time for building and a time for FLYING and the time for 
> building
> is OVER.
> Daniel R. Heath - Lexington, SC
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KR> robert pyra photo plane & pilot

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

Billy,

Here's a link to Al's website, which also has some pictures of Robert Pyra 
and his plane.

http://www3.telus.net/public/a4a19967/

Bud Midkiff
Lynnwood, WA

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 2:16 PM
Subject: KR> robert pyra photo plane & pilot


> Hi all very sad to say the lest . do we have a photo of plane and
> pilot i cant find it in the archives and i  have seen post with his 
> aircraft .
> I like to  put on my screen saver in honor of him for a week i did the 
> same
> for are last  lost Steve Jones . fly safe !
> Billy mcfarland n1055a
>
> _flymaca711689@aol.com_ (mailto:flymaca711...@aol.com)
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KR> Videos

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

Cris,
Check out the link below.

http://www.ltproductions.net/samples/KR_2004_FINAL.wmv

Bud Midkiff
Lynnwood, WA

- Original Message - 
From: "Cris." 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 1:51 AM
Subject: KR> Videos


> Excuse me for the silly question, but: does anybody have videos of KR2 
> ("S"
> or not) taking off, flying and/or landing? I've just seen the ones at

KR> Long wings

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

Dan.
How close are you now to your initial flight test? Do you have the engine 
back in?
Bud
Lynnwood, WA

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Re: KR> Long wings


> Yes, both planes that I referred to are KR2.  The first one had stock 
> wings, this one has the Diehl wings which have about a 24.5' wingspan.  My 
> impression of it, is that it is too long, but we will see what we will 
> see.
>
> Dan
>
> From: VIRGIL N SALISBURY 
>Is that a KR-2 ?? Virg
>
> On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:36:07 -0600  writes:
>> I have wondered what affect these long wings will have.  My first KR
>> had stock wings and the wingspan on this one is about 4.5 feet
>> longer.
>
>
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KR> KR2 Project for Sale

[Charles & Karin]

KR Group:

My KR2 project is for sale, listed on the Barnstormers and on 
Ebay,Motors,Aircraft,Experimental-Projects.  Just not enough time to pursue 
this unfortunately.  It has fixed Diehl gear, Diehl wings purchased from 
another builder which are not completed, HAPI 1835 with a Posa Super Carb, 
Warnke Almost Constant Speed prop.  Listed for $4200 on the barnstormers.  It 
is located at the EAA hanger at Whitman Airport near Van Nuys, CA, is on a 
modified boat trailer which is included in the project.  

Regards, Charles Coleman

KR> KR2 on eBay

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

There is a KR2 listed on eBay. The item number is  4608486645 . It is 
located in Omaha.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KR-2-Rand-Robinson-Engineering_W0QQitemZ4608486645QQcategoryZ63679QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Bud Midkiff  Lynnwood, WA
email: c.midk...@verizon.net

my webpage:  http://mysite.verizon.net/res18ums/index.html

KR> KR2 on eBay

[Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff]

There's also another KR2 listed on eBay located in Maryland, item # 
4607803989 .

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2000-Rand-Robinson-KR2-S-Contiental-Certified-Builder_W0QQitemZ4607803989QQcategoryZ63679QQssPageNameZWD6VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Bud

- Original Message - 
From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" <c.midk...@verizon.net>
To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 5:29 PM
Subject: KR> KR2 on eBay


> There is a KR2 listed on eBay. The item number is  4608486645 . It is
> located in Omaha.
>
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KR-2-Rand-Robinson-Engineering_W0QQitemZ4608486645QQcategoryZ63679QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
>
> Bud Midkiff  Lynnwood, WA
> email: c.midk...@verizon.net
>
> my webpage:  http://mysite.verizon.net/res18ums/index.html
>
>
>
>
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