KR> (no subject)

[oceanmanus]

http://windsaloftconsulting.com/find11.html

KR> update

[oceanmanus]

Hello builders,
 Some of you may have seen my KR-2S blog on the nVaero forum. I have removed it 
because their forum is not active, and has become full of spam lately. Steve at 
nVaero is a really nice guy and they have a pretty good company, so, it is 
nothing personal at all. I just think it's best for me to create my own 
website. 
I'm also looking forward to buy products from them. I'm writing you all this, 
just in-case some of you are wondering why my blog is no longer there.

Joe Cygan

KR-2S (5% done)
North Texas

KR> new sunset picture

[oceanmanus]

Breathtaking!




From: Mark Langford 
To: Corvair engines for homebuilt aircraft ; KRnet 

Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 9:41:32 PM
Subject: KR> new sunset picture

For today's sunset photo (in northeast Alabama), see the top of 
http://www.n56ml.com/sunsets/ ...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
website at http://www.N56ML.com 


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KR> test fit of conventional gear

[oceanmanus]

I like your entry on your web-site.  "Note to self...Don't build your own gear 
again.  LOL"


Looks great! Good job.

Joe Cygan
KR-2S
Texas



From: Craig Williams 
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Mon, February 21, 2011 2:38:37 PM
Subject: KR> test fit of conventional gear

Well finally! My first milestone is within reach.  I test fit my gear today and 
should have the boat off the bench by the end of the week.  The Bingelis gear 
weight with disc brakes and minus the wheel and tire assy came in at 13 lbs 
each.  The height from the bottom of the spar to the ground came in at 18" 
(tires un-inflated) and the outside of the wheels are at 84 inches.  Once I get 
them powder coated and installed I will post some more pics on my web page.  
Anyone know the width on the Diehl gear so I can compare?

Craig
http://www.kr2seafury.com/9.html




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KR> KR2 Plans - New Info

[oceanmanus]

Glad to hear that knot was untangled. Wishing you  much success Steve.

Joe Cygan
KR-2S
Texas




From: I FLY KRs 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 11:47:52 PM
Subject: RE: KR> KR2 Plans - New Info

Netter's,

Up until recently, what Mark listed was in fact the case. After some
unrelated issues arose, RR has determined the production and delivery of
plans may be better suited to having us take care of it.  I spoke with
Jeanette this afternoon.  I was advised I will have plans within 2 weeks and
we will be discussing further transitions, whatever that may be at that
time.  Plans will be once again available on the website for pre-order as of
tonight or tomorrow and will be delivered on a first come first served
basis.  I have had numerous inquiries regarding the availability so I'm sure
they will go quickly.  

I would like to say thank you to all the support we have received with
continuing product availability for the KR.  I would especially like to
thank Mark L. for his continued support and advice with the KR and nV Aero.

Regards,
Steve Glover
steve.glo...@nvaero.com

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Subject: Re: KR> KR2 Plans

Here's the story on plans.  Rand Robinson has  refused to give up the plans 
business to NVaero, and for a long time Steve at NV had to buy them at RR's 
price and send them to builders paying the shipping out of his pocket.  For 
a little while he's gotten a very slight break from RR so that he's not 
losing money, but recently RR informed him they weren't going to let him 
handle plans anymore.  So now we're back to the "hail Mary" sending of a 
money order to RR in hopes that some day she'll check the mail and send your

plans to you.  The address is given at http://www.fly-kr.com/ .

I've always thought that buying plans from RR was the reasonable thing to 
do, but if you're in a tight spot and really need the plans, a jerk named 
Justin posted them to the web in early 2009, so they are floating around as 
a bit torrent or something, if you don't mind picking up a bunch of viruses 
in the search for them...

Good luck...

Mark Langford
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KR> Any word on NVaero after airport flood?

[oceanmanus]

Glad to hear your OK. You need to move your operation to North Texas where the 
rent is cheap.

Joe Cygan




From: I FLY KRs 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 1:23:56 AM
Subject: RE: KR> Any word on NVaero after airport flood?

Those pics pretty well sum up my past couple weeks.  The large hangars
midfield in the bottom of the horse shoe is where we were located.  We ended
up with about 9' of water.  I received the call about 1:30 in the afternoon.
After renting two 26' u-haul trucks and a flatbed, we worked until about
4:30 in the morning getting as much as we could.  Both trucks were packed to
the gills, KR-1 put on the flatbed, and the Clausing lathe and Bridgeport
mill made it out.  All the molds, much tooling and supplies, as well as 3
airframes remained.  We came back a couple hours later and were turned away
as water was already in our hangar.  

I was able to walk in today.  About 2 - 3 inches of muck and mud remains.
The KR-100, the new KR-2S fuselage, and a few molds, including a set of
center section skins that are ready to be pulled from the molds were
untouched by water.  The new design light sport airframe we were building is
shot so we will have to start over and probably will not make it to
Sun-N-Fun with it like we had hoped.  Most of the remaining mold were in the
water but fortunately look like they will clean up well.  There were a few
tools and parts I thought had made it into the truck that were found in
various places of the hangar.  I had a new Bosch drill/ driver that
apparently was left on one of our fabrication tables.  Somehow it escaped
unscathed and works perfect.  It seems that particular table floated and
never submerged.  Our fuselage table and glass cutting table weren't so
lucky.  We will have to build new ones.

We had been diligently working on the final plugs/ molds for the new AS-5046
airfoil, center section, and 009 tail group. I am happy to say those were
all loaded and safely stowed away in the U-hauls.  

This is the second major flood in 5 years at Corona.  The past couple years
we had the threat of flood but it never happened.  The Army Corps of
Engineers had modified Prado Dam so many of us thought the flooding issue
had been finally resolved so there was a false sense of security with most
of us I think.  Now that we are producing parts and kits for the KR, as a
company we cannot afford this type of damage or losses.  Just the move so
far has cost us about $3500 and that does not include losses from parts/
machinery, or tooling.  I figure the total hit will fall around $25k.  In
light of all this we have relocated our facility to Chino (CNO), which is
about another 10 minute drive.  Corona was about a 30 minute drive for us
from home so now we are looking at least 40 minutes depending on traffic.
There is a lot of activity at Chino and several businesses that will be
beneficial to have access to.  While I prefer Corona overall Chino is by the
far the best choice from a business standpoint. 

The hangar is a bit smaller at the new location than what we had at Corona
but we are still planning a build out with a classroom/ pilot lounge with a
full bath and kitchenette for events or builder workshops.  Once we are
built out we will have a Saturday morning breakfast club for those
interested in building their first few parts with factory support. New
builders will be able to gain some hands on experience and build confidence
to complete their projects.  If any of you are ever in the area, feel free
to stop in.  It is always best to give us a call so we know to expect you.

Regards,

Steve Glover 




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KR> Chipmunk- KR2 formation

[oceanmanus]

That was an awesome video. Than you for sharing.

Joe Cygan




From: Alan & Debbie Bradtke 
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 12:08:57 AM
Subject: KR> Chipmunk- KR2 formation

I thought you guys might like to see some KR2 formation from down under 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkUg7rIzXXc enjoy.

Alan Bradtke
Port Macquarie
Australia

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KR> sunsets

[oceanmanus]

 I find myself going back to your list of "sunset" photos, sometimes compelled 
to find my favorite. However, this is a impossible task, as they all 
have exclusive aspects.  

Joe


From:Mark Langford 
To:KRnet 
Sent:Tue, December 28, 2010 5:46:28 AM
Subject:Re: KR> sunsets


Mike Taglieri wrote:

"Some of these pictures are amazing, but the 10/25/10 one looks like you're
flying VFR on top at night (or will be very soon).  If so, how do you get
home, or do you fly IFR?"

Keep in mind that most of my sunset pictures are made only a few minutes 
away from my home airport, and with more altitude, the trip back is usually 
2-3 minutes.  And like the text under the 13th photo down ("fire in the 
hole") on http://www.n56ml.com/sunsets/ explains, quite often it's clear 
over the airport but overcast nearby.  So it's pretty easy to climb through 
perfectly clear air and on above the edge of the overcast to take pictures 
to the west.

Mark Langford
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KR> 'Rectangular' boat building

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  It is nice to see someone else?s idea come to fruition. I have certainly 
wrestled with the thought of, ?why not just build it square?. Personally, It is 
of my opinion that the KR-2S would look a lot better this way. Somewhat of a 
Glassair or even a RV-7 semblance. 

 Laminated longerons, great idea..

 Joe Cygan
 KR-2S
 Texas




From: Donald Greer 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Sun, December 26, 2010 1:34:01 PM
Subject: KR> 'Rectangular' boat building

Good day all,

Been looking over Bob Johnson's photo page 
(http://picasaweb.google.com/103552664644911775549/KR2SS# 

) and have noticed that he has built his boat to be square at the  
corners, vice angled top to bottom as the drawings indicate.

I'd be grateful if others who have built this way could chime in and  
let me know how well this has worked for you.  I'd also be interested  
in seeing photos of flying KR's with 90 degree corners.

Cheers,

Don Greer
Belleville, Ontario
(future) KR2SS builder
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KR> Canopy Gluing- Epoxy

[oceanmanus]

 Actually, epoxy resin sticks poorly to acrylic and polycarbonate plastics. 
Most effective applications, are both epoxy and a mechanical means to lock in 
the plastic. I would use protruding slugs or the very least, lock it in 
mechanically.

Joe Cygan
KR-2S
Texas




From: Mark Langford 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 11:47:58 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Canopy Gluing- Epoxy

Steve Phillabaum wrote:

>>I have a Todd's KR canopy and I sanded in a good scratch finish in the 
>>area of the epoxy and then sandwiched in the conopy between glass on both 
>>sides uning areopoxy.  I don't think I could get it appart without some 
>>damage.  Let us know what he has to say.<<

That'll work fine.  I would think most epoxies would stick just fine to 
acrylic after it's been roughed up with rough sandpaper to give it some 
"teeth".  I think this is even detailed in the Bengelis books.  I suspect 
those having problems didn't do the roughing part.  I wondered about the 
quality of that bond when I did mine the same way (overlapping the acrylic 
by about 1.5"-2" all the way around, but there is zero sign of delaminiation 
anywhere.  T-88 may not be the best choice because it's not very viscous and 
may not soak into as many of the scratches, but I'd bet it's still a pretty 
good bonding agent for glass.  I used Aeropoxy, and can tell you that it 
works for sure, at least up to 240 mph.

Another key is HOW you do it...you need to sandwich the acrylic on both 
sides with glass to put it in a sort of "double shear" rather than glass on 
only one side, eliminating a "tension only" kind of failure where the 
fiberglass can just peel away from the acrylic due to some wierd loading 
condition.  I think that's just good common sense though...

Mark Langford
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KR> Ventral Fin

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Hi Stephen,
 Great idea about adding a "ventral fin" to your aircraft. It Would be 
interesting to know, what it would do to the vertical and longitudinal axis as 
far as stability is concerned. The only smaller aircraft that I'm aware of 
having them are the Cap 10.

 Where are you going to be locating the ventral fin and how large will it be?

 BTW, you have an amazing aircraft and I can not wait to come and see it.

Joe Cygan
KR-2S




From: "Teate, Stephen" 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 11:40:37 AM
Subject: RE: KR> Ventral Fin

"I have not heard of anyone doing this, but has anyone put a ventral fin on a
KR?"

I have indeed added a ventral fin to the aft end of my fuselage. I did this for 
two reasons, to provide an aerodynamic fairing for my tail tie down eyelet and 
to provide a fairing for my "bumper wheel". I have a Subaru and am using a 
belly 
scoop for the radiator. With the exhaust flap at the wide open position it 
would 
have been possible for me to drag the flap on the runway if I didn't add the 
wheel. I really like the way it turned out but yes when I fly I will probably 
be 
the first KR with 4 wheels. Also, since my CG is going to be forward it will 
probably never be needed for stall behavior modification but it is nice to know 
it's there. Then again, maybe it is a good thing I have one as I intend to fly 
high and I would hate to be the first KR to "depart" like I have seen some 
grossly overloaded F-16's do!

Stephen Teate
Composite Cooling Solutions, L.P.
4150 International Plaza, Suite 500
Fort Worth, Texas 76109
817-708-9140


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KR> Caution on stalls

[oceanmanus]

Great information! Thanks everyone for sharing there valuable experiences. I 
admit, it certainly raises some of the hairs on my neck after reading some of 
your posts. Information is valuable.

Joe Cygan
KR-2S




From: Jeff Scott 
To: kr...@mylist.net
Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 10:48:57 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Caution on stalls

Actually, I concur.  I think it was a productive discussion with the proper 
caveats that I hope other pilots take to heart.  -Jeff
--
Jeff forgive me as I am not trying to put
words in your mouth.

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KR> Stalls

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Too bad you did not have that on video. 




From: Mark Langford 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 7:09:02 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Stalls

"Joe" wrote:

Anybody have a "in the cockpit" video of a KR2/KR2S in a full stall?

I don't have a video, but I've got one "full power full stall" permanently 
fried into my brain.  Left wing drops, plane drops and rolls inverted, 
accelerates toward the ground at an incredible rate, everything in the plane 
sticks to the top of the canopy and ends up in the tail.  Fortunately I was 
at about 5000' when I started.  This was early in my 40 hour test phase, and 
I didn't realize the implications of a full power "accelerated" stall.  I 
was watching the airspeed indicator, rather than the ball on the turn and 
bank indicator, which was a real mistake.  I don't know how many g's I 
pulled getting out of that dive, but losing the wings certainly occured to 
me in the middle of all that.  That's when I bought the g-meter.

I'm not trying to say that a KR is any more dangerous than any other plane. 
I'm only writing this so others that are as inexperienced as I was will take 
full-power stalls more seriously than I did.  Why would you even need to 
know how and at what speed it stalls at full power?  Consider too steep a 
climbout on takeoff and you'll understand.  Now I have a very healthy 
respect for that flight regime, and I avoid the possibility at all costs.

I guess that doesn't help you out with a video though

Mark Langford
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KR> Stalls

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Phil,
 Wow, that would be great! Thanks buddy.
Joe Cygan
KR-2S




From: "phillipmathe...@bigpond.com" 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Thu, December 2, 2010 9:44:23 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Stalls

Video full stall.
-

Joe that is a good idea. I have now purchased
a small hat mount or glasses mount camera.
I will look at that soon.

Phil Matheson

Down under.

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KR> Stalls

[oceanmanus]

Anybody have a "in the cockpit" video of a KR2/KR2S in a full stall?

Joe

KR> Herbert Furle's KR2SL

[oceanmanus]

Very nice plane! personally, I like this guy's project. I like the aileron push 
tubes, very 
innovative. http://s449.photobucket.com/albums/qq219/rkpsk1/?start=all

Joe




From: Mark Langford 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Sun, November 28, 2010 9:40:16 PM
Subject: KR> Herbert Furle's KR2SL

For those who haven't seen it, check out German Herbert Furle's awesome KR2SL.  
If you think you're building to absolute perfection, you might not want to go 
there...he's got you beat!  See http://n56ml.com/krnet/krs/hfurle/ .  There are 
a lot of good ideas here...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
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KR> Looking for...

[oceanmanus]

Hi Todd,
 George piped in and sent me his e-mail address. Thanks anyway!

Joe




From: Todd Price <soneraipi...@gmail.com>
To: KRnet <kr...@mylist.net>
Sent: Thu, November 25, 2010 6:27:57 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Looking for...

Joe I have hos email address. I'll send it to you ater tonight when I get hone.

On 11/25/10, oceanmanus <oceanma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello builders,
>  Anyone out there have George McHenry's(N966G) e-mail. Please send
> privately.
>
>  BTW, happy turkey day.
>
> Thank you.
>
>  Joe Cygan
>  KR-2S
>  North Texas
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KR> Looking for...

[oceanmanus]

Hello builders,
 Anyone out there have George McHenry's(N966G) e-mail. Please send privately. 

 BTW, happy turkey day.

Thank you.

 Joe Cygan
 KR-2S
 North Texas

KR> conventional gear weight distribution

[oceanmanus]

Could you imagine the look on the NTSB investigators face, trying to figure out 
why there are two engines on the ground?

Great story. Thanks.




From: Mark Langford 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Thu, November 18, 2010 8:57:03 AM
Subject: Re: KR> conventional gear weight distribution

Craig "Seafury" wrote:

> Anyone know what percentage of the weight is on the mains for a 
> conventional gear?

See the weight and balance spreadsheet at the bottom of 
http://www.n56ml.com/wb/index.html for details like that.  If you want to 
read a scary flying story, read from the top down...

Mark Langford
n5...@hiwaay.net
website www.n56ml.com 


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KR> Welding and welder selection

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 If I can, I certainly would like to recommend the "weldingweb" at 
www.weldingweb.com . It is a fantastic site with a plethora of information 
concerning welding education and equipment. I have been a member there for a 
very long time and never came up short for an answer.

 Craig, I'm confident that all of your questions concerning welding would be 
welcomed there.

Joe
KR-2S


From: Michael Swierk 
To: KRnet 
Sent: Mon, November 15, 2010 5:57:15 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Welding and welder selection

Hi Craig, I just read and learn as I  go along here and I as a Tool and Die 
Maker Fabricating machines for years I would recommend If you are hooked on 
your 
Tanks that You would be better off finding someone that does Tig and more than 
likely they would help you out reasonably if you asked them. The job could be 
done quickly and really give professional results with little to no cleanup 
work 
and not as critical as torch or splatter gun. Just my 2 cents seeing as I am 
lazy and do things the easiest and most efficient way I can. There are plenty 
of 
people that would help you out if you explain what you need to them. You might 
want to try a "wanted ad" on Craigslist, As I have helped many there myself.
  Good Luck with your project,  
 
  Mike Swierk

--- On Fri, 11/5/10, Craig Williams  wrote:

From: Craig Williams 
Subject: KR> Welding and welder selection
To: kr...@mylist.net
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Friday, November 5, 2010, 2:17 PM

 I know I can do it all with gas but just exploring other options before I plop 
down a bunch of money.  TIG is out for me because of cost.

Craig
www.kr2seafury.com




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KR> Hello

[oceanmanus]

Hello Stephen,
 I originally bought the plans when I was nineteen years old almost twenty-four 
years ago in 1987 from Rand Robinson engineering in Huntington Beach, I was 
living in California then. At the time, Nancy and Janette were there and Kevin 
Kelly was working on his KR100.  I was able to sit in it, what a great plane. 
Well, Not to bore you, but another twelve years went by before I bought the 
KR-2S supplement plans in 1999 and they pretty much have sat in a box until 
now. 
The good news is that I have a family of four, a wonderful wife and a great 
business. Now I'm ready to start building. Hopefully the building process wont 
take that long:) BTW, I live in Denton Texas.

 I plan on building a single seat KR2S with an 0-200. I will more than likely 
stretch it several more inches and plan on using the AS5046 airfoil.

Joe




From: "Teate, Stephen" <ste...@compositecooling.com>
To: oceanmanus <oceanma...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, November 10, 2010 9:28:59 AM
Subject: RE: KR> Hello

Hello Joe,

Welcome to the list! What part of north Texas are you from? I live north west 
of 
Fort Worth in a little town called Paradise in the Bridgeport and Decatur area. 
Tell me where you are in your project and what your plans are.

Stephen Teate
Composite Cooling Solutions, L.P.
4150 International Plaza, Suite 500
Fort Worth, Texas 76109
817-708-9140


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Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 8:47 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR> Hello

Hello,
I'm new to the KR list. My name is Joe Cygan. This is my first post and trying 
it out as I have had some issues with logging on to the member side. I live in 
North Texas and I'm building a KR2S.

Joe
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KR> Hello

[oceanmanus]

Hello,
 I'm new to the KR list. My name is Joe Cygan. This is my first post and trying 
it out as I have had some issues with logging on to the member side. I live in 
North Texas and I'm building a KR2S.

Joe