KR> Cyberdyne mixture meter

2016-08-02 Thread brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com
I just ordered a stainless steel nut in the correct size from McMaster
Carr, ground the correct radius on the bottom to match the exhaust pipe,
and welded it on.


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: KR> Cyberdyne mixture meter
From: Mark Langford via KRnet 

I don't have one here to measure, but I'm pretty sure that Bosch sensor 
requires a standard 18mm x 1.5mm bung, as shown at
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-g2990/overview/ . 



KR> Cyberdyne mixture meter

2016-08-01 Thread Mark Langford
John Bouyea wrote:

 > Can you tell us about which exhaust bung you welded into the 
manifold? I'm
 > wondering what size to order as I took the plunge like Chris...

I don't have one here to measure, but I'm pretty sure that Bosch sensor 
requires a standard 18mm x 1.5mm bung, as shown at
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-g2990/overview/ .  Somebody that 
has one on hand is welcome to check though.

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
http://www.n56ml.com




KR> Cyberdyne mixture meter

2016-08-01 Thread John Bouyea
Hi Mark.
Can you tell us about which exhaust bung you welded into the manifold? I'm
wondering what size to order as I took the plunge like Chris...
John Bouyea
N5391M/ KR2
OR81/ Hillsboro, OR
2015 KR at MMV Gathering CoHost

... Bosch part number is 11027.  More on this is at
http://www.n56ml.com/corvair/o2meter/ . 

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
http://www.n56ml.com




KR> Cyberdyne mixture meter

2016-08-01 Thread Wayne
There is a way to protect the element on an O2 sensor. When you make the 
bung, create a small hood to protect the element. Something like the 
bill of a ball cap. The hood is positioned on the upstream side of the 
exhaust flow. Make it about 40% of a circle and just long enough to 
cover the element. The sensor will read the exhaust flow just file and 
the combustion residue will not collect on the element. The O2 sensor 
will last many times longer with this small mod. Someone discovered this 
when running 60lbs. boost with 110 octane race gas.

Interestingly, Chrysler cast this little shield in the exhaust manifolds 
of the later model I4 8V motors.

Wayne DeLisle Sr.
oldmoparguy at carolina dot rr dot com

-- > KR> Cyberdyne mixture meter
>
> Mark Langford ml at n56ml.com
> Sun Jul 31 14:56:35 EDT 2016
>
> Wide band units and there sensors are very expensive, as was mentioned,
> and simply not needed for our application.  I have almost 1400 hours
> flying behind one that looks just like this (apparently a Cyberdyne
> knockoff, or perhaps just "rebranded"), and I can't imagine what other
> information I would need from an air/fuel meter.  Bosch part number is
> 11027.  More on this is at http://www.n56ml.com/corvair/o2meter/ .
> 100LL eats these things every hundred hours or so, so that's another
> reason to go cheap...
>
> Mark Langford
> ML at N56ML.com
> http://www.n56ml.com





KR> Cyberdyne mixture meter

2016-07-31 Thread Chris Gardiner
Thanks Brian, I decided to order the Intellimeter (Cyberdyne) meter as per the 
comments earlier.
Regards
Chris Gardiner

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> On Jul 31, 2016, at 7:07 PM, brian.kraut--- via KRnet  list.krnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I had one in my KR from Westach.  It was a 2 1/4 analog meter and worked
> great.  
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KR> Cyberdyne mixture meter

2016-07-31 Thread brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com
I had one in my KR from Westach.  It was a 2 1/4 analog meter and worked
great.  I like analog meters better than just LED.  They normally stock
a 2" round automotive gauge, but for just a few day wait I had them make
me a 2 1/4 standard aircraft mounting type gauge.  I also had them
incorporate a mixture meter in one of their quad gauges with I think it
was CHT, EGT, and I can't remember the other one.  They are very good
about making custom gauges for low cost if you call and ask.

 Original Message 
Subject: KR> Cyberdyne mixture meter
From: Chris Gardiner via KRnet 
Date: Sun, July 31, 2016 10:38 am
To: KRnet 
Cc: Chris Gardiner 


Does anyone know where I might still buy one of these cheap analog
type gauges in the USA.



KR> Cyberdyne mixture meter

2016-07-31 Thread brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com


KR> Cyberdyne mixture meter

2016-07-31 Thread Chris Gardiner
Thanks Mark and all.

I?ll go ahead and place the order now.

Regards

Chris Gardiner

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KR> Cyberdyne mixture meter

2016-07-31 Thread Craig Williams
So if you are only going to monitor one exhaust tube which cyl should that be?
 Or does it even matter?

Craig



> On July 31, 2016 at 2:56 PM Mark Langford via KRnet 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Chris Gardiner wrote:
> 
>  > I notice this meter recommends using a narrow band O2 sensor instead 
> of the wide band type I was planning for.
>  >
>  > What O2 sensor are you planning to use?
> 
> This question was not directed at me, but I do have an opinion.  An 
> inexpensive ($20) narrow-band Bosch "one-wire" sensor will suffice just 
> fine for this job.  When this thing says "too rich", it really is, and 
> when it says "too lean" (the bottom LED), you'll have already noticed a 
> real power drop, so narrow band is fine.  I like to keep mine at the 
> point where the bottom LED is barely flashing on and off, or "just 
> south" of that (not even visible).
>



KR> Cyberdyne mixture meter

2016-07-31 Thread Chris Gardiner
Thanks Chris.

I notice this meter recommends using a narrow band O2 sensor instead of the 
wide band type I was planning for.

What O2 sensor are you planning to use?

Thanks 
Chris Gardiner


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https://m.summitracing.com/parts/izl-ms7008

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Burlington, NJ
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KR> Cyberdyne mixture meter

2016-07-31 Thread Mark Langford
Chris Gardiner wrote:

 > I notice this meter recommends using a narrow band O2 sensor instead 
of the wide band type I was planning for.
 >
 > What O2 sensor are you planning to use?

This question was not directed at me, but I do have an opinion.  An 
inexpensive ($20) narrow-band Bosch "one-wire" sensor will suffice just 
fine for this job.  When this thing says "too rich", it really is, and 
when it says "too lean" (the bottom LED), you'll have already noticed a 
real power drop, so narrow band is fine.  I like to keep mine at the 
point where the bottom LED is barely flashing on and off, or "just 
south" of that (not even visible).

Wide band units and there sensors are very expensive, as was mentioned, 
and simply not needed for our application.  I have almost 1400 hours 
flying behind one that looks just like this (apparently a Cyberdyne 
knockoff, or perhaps just "rebranded"), and I can't imagine what other 
information I would need from an air/fuel meter.  Bosch part number is 
11027.  More on this is at http://www.n56ml.com/corvair/o2meter/ . 
100LL eats these things every hundred hours or so, so that's another 
reason to go cheap...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
http://www.n56ml.com




KR> Cyberdyne mixture meter

2016-07-31 Thread Chris Gardiner
I am planning to install an O2 sensor and mixture meter as per Sid Woods 
presentation from a few years ago that I found on the KR net archives.

Seems that the recommended Cyberdyne mixture meter ( 280-7009) has been 
discontinued?

 Not on JEGS web site or auto performance sites.

Does anyone know where I might still buy one of these cheap analog type gauges 
in the USA.

Most others I have seen are expensive ( $170 +)  and use expensive O2 sensors.

Any help appreciated.

Thanks

Chris Gardiner
KR2S C-GKRZ

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KR> Cyberdyne mixture meter

2016-07-31 Thread Christopher Pryce
Yep, I did what Mark suggests. I purchased the narrow band Bosch sensor
from summit. It's $18.

Chris

On Jul 31, 2016 14:57, "Mark Langford via KRnet" 
wrote:
>
> Chris Gardiner wrote:
>
> > I notice this meter recommends using a narrow band O2 sensor instead of
the wide band type I was planning for.
> >
> > What O2 sensor are you planning to use?


KR> Cyberdyne mixture meter

2016-07-31 Thread Christopher Pryce
Here's a link to what I bought recently:

https://m.summitracing.com/parts/izl-ms7008

Chris Pryce
Burlington, NJ